Archive: 43 posts

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I was going to make this thread a long time ago, but I forgot. I haven't seen much about this lately, but there used to be a lot of threads discussing actual water in LBP, but honestly, what's so good about it? Sure, I would love to have it if it was free, but it doesn't open up thousands of new ideas imo (unless I'm not just creative enough) and will still be hard to do. It seems to me like there could be a fair few more improvements to LBP but everyone seems be going crazy over water. Is it still coming out as DLC? In short, water isn't such a big deal in my opinion and MM or Sony or whoever should be concentrating on things like making the servers better, or little things like making enemies go faster than 4(That wasn't actually to short was it?) What do you think?

2008-11-29 20:56:00 Author: GuyWithNoEyes Posts: 1100

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I don't know, it just would add so much more detail and a better feel to the levels. That's why I want it. But I kind of agree, it should be; 1) Fix the Flawed Search Engine 2) Better Servers ( They're working on it ) 3) Ease down on the moderation of levels 4) DLC ( water, new tools, etc,...) That seems like the way to go for me.

2008-11-29 21:19:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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I agree Whale, fix the problems with the game first, then work on DLC. Personally, I like the concept of water, but it's not at the top of my list. I'd like to see the image import first(which it looks like we will), then magnetism, then...umm...water or something else.

2008-11-29 21:21:00 Author: BassDeluxe Posts: 984

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A magnetic material would be really cool but would be hard to work with :/ Although you could make like a spinning magnet thing that picks up pieces of metal and I could put that into a huge contraption......... Hmmm.....Me like.

2008-11-29 21:30:00 Author: GuyWithNoEyes Posts: 1100

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I would very much like to see it, and in fact...am kinda insulted that MM didnt make it already. Imagine levels like the Azure palace with real water instead of fog and jetpacks to simulate water. But im willing to wait for it.

2008-11-30 01:09:00 Author: PsychoticMarik Posts: 12

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I would use it as a power supply to turn water wheels. Or to raise objects by filling buckets. Like at a water park.

2008-11-30 03:12:00 Author: BurlapSackBoy Posts: 310

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What if they make water tomorrow, but as a hazard, man that would suck IMO.

2008-11-30 04:25:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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Hmm........no.

2008-11-30 04:30:00 Author: Stix489 Posts: 2080

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I think LittleBigPlanet 2 (or whatever it's going to be called) will contain much more of the essential upgrades. Knowing Sony, they'll give us the small stuff, iron out the bugs after it gets in our hands, and have an improved version of it in the sequel. I honestly believe the sequel will be much better than this one, mainly because of all of the problems they are having right now.

2008-11-30 04:32:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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You seriously think they will have a sequel?

2008-11-30 04:32:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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Well it's basically inevitable. Playstation 3 isn't going to be the current Sony console forever, and when that happens, LBP 2 will have to happen, or no LBP at all on that console.

2008-11-30 04:40:00 Author: BassDeluxe Posts: 984

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I think LittleBigPlanet 2 (or whatever it's going to be called) will contain much more of the essential upgrades. Knowing Sony, they'll give us the small stuff, iron out the bugs after it gets in our hands, and have an improved version of it in the sequel. I honestly believe the sequel will be much better than this one, mainly because of all of the problems they are having right now. I was coming in to post this.

2008-11-30 04:41:00 Author: Unknown User

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You seriously think they will have a sequel? Oh, absolutely. With the marketing Sony's doing with this combined with the absolute lack of any substantial DLC, I can assure you they are ironing out features just so they can set them aside for the sequel. For comparison's sake: LittleBigPlanet is Sony's "Halo". Actually, I bet it will be similar in many ways. For one, I believe LittleBigPlanet 2 (Halo 2) will sell better than LittleBigPlanet (Halo), and I also think they will do spinoffs of the franchise as well, just like Microsoft did with Halo (Halo Wars?). However, Sony is worse at retaining a developer's dignity, so I expect Media Molecule to a) either be completely taken advantage of until they become what they set out to avoid, or b) they will break off, much like Bungie did, and become an independent developer. Watch, a lot of this will end up as fact. Just wait.

2008-11-30 05:02:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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Oh, absolutely. With the marketing Sony's doing with this combined with the absolute lack of any substantial DLC Bit early to be saying there's a lack of any substantial DLC, isn't it? The game hasn't even been out for a single retail month yet, and we have had a steady stream of smaller DLC items throughout that period. At the very least, Sony wouldn't push out serious expansions of the content until the initial wave of people who'll buy the game have done so, and their primary marketing campaign has moved into action (it hasn't yet). People are more likely to buy additional content once they've exhausted the existing content ? marketing 101. For comparison's sake: LittleBigPlanet is Sony's "Halo". Actually, I bet it will be similar in many ways. For one, I believe LittleBigPlanet 2 (Halo 2) will sell better than LittleBigPlanet (Halo) This is a poor comparison at best. LittleBigPlanet is primarily an open-ended creation tool, whereas Halo is a linear first-person shooter with a static length (excluding multiplayer). Halo lends itself to the sequel model because it is a relatively short game with a written story and no real expansion route beyond, say, more multiplayer maps (which there isn't that much demand for). If you want to go down the road of a game being Sony's 'Halo', that role is already taken by Metal Gear Solid. However, Sony is worse at retaining a developer's dignity Any examples of this? From what I've seen, Sony looks after their developers a lot better than other publishers. They also give them more creative freedom. Watch, a lot of this will end up as fact. Just wait. I'm calling you out and betting no sequel to LBP comes until the next generation of consoles at the earliest. :arg: Other games based on the franchise, perhaps ? such as the PSP version. But not a sequel. I don't know why you'd think there'd be a sequel, and from the wording of your post you seem to think it's coming soon. Considering the budget and development time that goes into a game of this magnitude and for this generation, that'd be an absolutely insane option if they can still squeeze money out of the original. My prediction is that LittleBigPlanet will follow the Maxis model, and use expansion packs and/or DLC to continue making money well into the forseeable future ? think The Sims and Spore, and perhaps even World of Warcraft at a stretch. Let's not forget that Sony isn't stupid. When community is so critical to your game as it is to LBP, you don't split it up with sequels. You want word of mouth and the allure of a vibrant community to attract people, because without those the game doesn't have that much to offer. If a sequel does come, it'll be after a hell of a lot of expansions; I don't believe for a second that they're holding back content for a fictitious sequel.

2008-11-30 05:52:00 Author: Ryan Williams Posts: 11

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water would be cool especially if your sackboy would paddle and actually look like he is swimming

2008-11-30 05:54:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419

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Ryan: You make very valid points, and I respect the fact you backed them up with evidence as well. I don't really want to get into a back-and-forth, point-by-point debate (I've been there before, and it's time consuming to say the least), but I will say that while you seem very intelligent and well-informed, I still disagree. I have no confidence in Sony. I don't hate them by any means, but so far they have not made any substantial decisions that verifies their commitment to LittleBigPlanet. It feels like they threw money at it, set up a plan for it, and executed that plan with zero regard for the community's response. If I start seeing valid change (such as a total revision of their current Moderation process), I'll change my mind.

2008-11-30 06:12:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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Let's not forget that Sony isn't stupid. Watch, there's an 80% Sony will screw up big time, I just haven't seen any WOW factor with Sony as there was with Microsoft, hence I said Sony, don't come off telling me "LBP > Microsoft."

2008-11-30 06:18:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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by the way whaaale i bet you want water! i would hate to see you die.. of no water!

2008-11-30 06:56:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419

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by the way whaaale i bet you want water! i would hate to see you die.. of no water! Gasp! Your right! How have I even been living all this time? Oh noes! It's coming back to me, the pain! Oh wait... I live in the ocean...

2008-11-30 09:08:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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I agree, water would be a great addition, but I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon...

2008-11-30 09:35:00 Author: Night Angel Posts: 1214

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Water would suck , can you imagine a sackboy swimming? hell no , they just drown.

2008-11-30 11:00:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824

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We basically want water because it would be cool. Although I have to agree with Whaaaale saying fix the more needed stuff first, instead of making new stuff for a buggy game.

2008-11-30 14:29:00 Author: mongoose7 Posts: 473

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Personally, I would want to know how water would exactly work. Like, would it be like dangers, where you turn objects into water? Would the water just stay in that shape, or would it fall like real water? So, would water be a danger like tool, and if so, would it be possible to just have a wall of water? Or would water fall down like real water is... that may cause problems creating, but it would prevent stupid looking water... but that would restrict people from their disability to make water how they choose... So, maybe it would be like a danger, and we'd just have like blocks of water or something? O_O

2008-11-30 15:14:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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I especially want water for all the cool level elements it could give us. Boats Watermill puzzles Lily pad-esque Platforms Rising & Sinking Water levels (OOT: Water Temple! ) Yeah, I just think it would be a whole new aspect to play with.

2008-11-30 15:17:00 Author: Unknown User

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Gasp! Your right! How have I even been living all this time? Oh noes! It's coming back to me, the pain! Oh wait... I live in the ocean... wait arent whales mammels :eek: yeah they are they need oxygen! So you don't need water but you want it :hero:

2008-11-30 16:52:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419

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Not to argue with anyone here, but I don't really see why people would even say "I don't want water." The beauty of the game is that you don't have to use it, it's there for people who can make use of it, and if you don't want to use it, then don't. Easy as. People can come up with ideas on how to use anything. Small example, the "Pipe" decoration. I got that, never intended to use it ever. Thought that was just a decoration that would sit in my Popit and never see light of day. I went online with Code, and he's got it attached to his SackBoy, using it as a bazooka in an Army theme character. Genius. And that is a very small example. So for that, I welcome absolutely anything that gets introduced into the game. As for the sequel, oh hell yes. If I was making it, I'd probably hold back on releasing things for this version just to make sure the sequel has some great new features to make people be more impressed by it.

2008-11-30 17:07:00 Author: Unknown User

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Oh, absolutely. With the marketing Sony's doing with this combined with the absolute lack of any substantial DLC, I can assure you they are ironing out features just so they can set them aside for the sequel. For comparison's sake: LittleBigPlanet is Sony's "Halo". Actually, I bet it will be similar in many ways. For one, I believe LittleBigPlanet 2 (Halo 2) will sell better than LittleBigPlanet (Halo), and I also think they will do spinoffs of the franchise as well, just like Microsoft did with Halo (Halo Wars?). However, Sony is worse at retaining a developer's dignity, so I expect Media Molecule to a) either be completely taken advantage of until they become what they set out to avoid, or b) they will break off, much like Bungie did, and become an independent developer. Watch, a lot of this will end up as fact. Just wait. Another useful Insight from the Cartman! That actually makes sense, and given sonys attidudes I would consider Mm to make a sequel.

2008-11-30 17:24:00 Author: floor3013 Posts: 287

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I went online with Code, and he's got it attached to his SackBoy, using it as a bazooka in an Army theme character. Genius. That was actually Clank that came up with that. ^_^ With regards to water, many more possibilites would become available with the addition of water. Not just on the asthetic side of things, but also mechanically. I have a feeling that realistic water would completely drain the themometer though.

2008-11-30 17:42:00 Author: UmJammerSully Posts: 1097

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It would be insanely hard to do though. It's hard enough making it move realistically with CGI, nevermind being fully interactive with real-life physics.

2008-11-30 19:36:00 Author: GuyWithNoEyes Posts: 1100

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Since this game is physics based, I would think the water would move like it's suppose to, I don't know how you can make it so the water just keeps on falling forever. Unless you can put the settings to like infinite or something.

2008-11-30 19:49:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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Like the game AquaForest on iPhone. The 'liquids' on that rock! And when you tilt it the water moves around. It's free!

2008-11-30 20:06:00 Author: mongoose7 Posts: 473

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There's a physics sandbox called Phun on the web, and that has water made by lots of little circles that merge together physically and graphically. It works pretty well, and you can change how buoyant other objects are too. It could work in LBP but if used excessively might cause far too much lag. http://www.phunland.com/wiki/Home

2008-11-30 20:13:00 Author: LFF Posts: 434

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Water could be cool if the sackboy gets wet and slow after having been in it.

2008-12-02 13:31:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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I have a feeling water may be introduced as a danger, and if this occurs there's going to be a pretty big outrage from LBP players. Or is it just me?

2008-12-02 14:00:00 Author: GuyWithNoEyes Posts: 1100

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I have a feeling water may be introduced as a danger, and if this occurs there's going to be a pretty big outrage from LBP players. Or is it just me? There could be an option where you can make it safe?... Like, the dangerous part of it can be sharks in the water, with the safe water empty, or you could drown if the water's too deep, but it would be safe if it's quite shallow...

2008-12-02 14:14:00 Author: TheArmedReaper Posts: 1543

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There could be an option where you can make it safe?... Like, the dangerous part of it can be sharks in the water, with the safe water empty, or you could drown if the water's too deep, but it would be safe if it's quite shallow... Yeah, because you wouldn't be able to drown in water that's 1mm deep...

2008-12-02 14:56:00 Author: Unknown User

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Yeah, because you wouldn't be able to drown in water that's 1mm deep... Exactly! Great minds think alike ay?

2008-12-02 15:12:00 Author: TheArmedReaper Posts: 1543

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*posh old man voice* Indeedy son!

2008-12-02 15:20:00 Author: Unknown User

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I wonder if they'll swim or just walk through it..... :/

2008-12-02 15:50:00 Author: GuyWithNoEyes Posts: 1100

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Well as I said, if they swim, they can't drown, so it'll be the sharks after them... If they can't, it'll be the drowning that'll kill them...

2008-12-02 15:52:00 Author: TheArmedReaper Posts: 1543

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Can't remember which MM member it was, but one of them said something about water being likely DLC but it'll have an "LBP twist" which has made me quite curious.

2008-12-02 19:17:00 Author: UmJammerSully Posts: 1097

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I can see this as being more of water from the Mario Games... where it can be put in simply to add the properties of being under water. I can't imagine the PS3 capable of rendering water filling up buckets and stuff in a 3D environment without major lag unless in very small amounts... If you have ever seen OE-Cake you would know that on top notch computers filling the screen up with water in a 2D environment lags alot. I am obviously not a game designer so don't take this too seriously because I might be wrong. About the mario style is that in mario there was a set level of the water on the map and you would fall in it to go under and swim... no physics... of course there would probably be a little physics like they have in halo3... but that cannot be picked up. Not like some one you are imagining. If somehow they pull this off and it is real water like in oe-cake (which I have never seen in any game (other than oe-cake itself)) I would definitely pay money for it EDIT: When I say physics I mean not the gravity of the player (that is obviously going to be factored in like: buoyancy, viscosity, etc.) I mean the actual malleability of the water material as in real life.

2008-12-04 06:27:00 Author: Unknown User

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Can't remember which MM member it was, but one of them said something about water being likely DLC but it'll have an "LBP twist" which has made me quite curious. I think the twist is that the longer Sackboy is in the water, the bigger he gets from "soaking" in all the water, and he gets so huge, he explodes! Wooo Yeah!!! By the way, I was just kidding but that could be a possibility, like 2%? ( What if I'm right, CALLED IT! )

2008-12-04 07:21:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250

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