Archive: 20 posts

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This probably won't make much sense, but I hope I get my point across. It seems that the majority of the people playing the game are acting like people are creating for them. Players with bad levels are being called retarded, fat and terrible at the game. This has not at all happened to me and I am not complaining about people not liking my levels. This is about other people playing the game. Have a look at the wedding level, for example. You know, the level that was Mm Picked because the guy got married from it? The person is being called a 'fattie' and a loser that should go play another game. All because he has one picture with a pink seal around it. What is annoying me most is that those people either have no levels at all or can not do any better. And I know that the review system isn't just for people who have great levels and deserve to review other ones. It's just how people are using it. I've seen some people being cyber-bullied only because they have a bad level. Take Sackland. It is a great and fun level yet people are hating the creator. All because they have a picture with a pink seal around it. I know it may not look great, but that doesn't mean it's not a good level! And besides, they had no control over it being picked. Neither did any of the other people who have their level Mm Picked. Take a look at the Cool Pages. Great levels have over 1000 dislikes. And before you say that people have their own opinion and stuff like that, it's very, very obvious that they do it for one reason. Jealousy. Especially the levels that are Mm Picked!!!! A lot of jerks play LBP now, coming on just to play the bad levels and rate them poorly. I could probably go on but I don't know what else to say. I just want your opinion. How do you feel about all this? It's really annoying me, and I know a lot of other people feel the same, but I just want to know what you think. Do you think that rating good levels bad is a stupid thing? Are you getting annoyed by all the c**p that has been happening in the community lately?

2011-03-28 10:25:00 Author: Retro Posts: 104

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This really isn't anything new. You're playing a game where a good chunk of the community is kiddies who have little respect or appreciation for the work that goes into making a really good level. You're seeing the same behavior as on the schoolground you grew up on, where the kid with the glasses gets picked on and called four-eyes. The bad ratings come from the jealous crowd that hate on your level because they can't compete and think the only way to make their stuff look better is to trash everything around them. Try to think nothing of it. You're playing a game played predominantly by kids and young teens, and there's inherent immaturity you've got to deal with. At least LBPC is a safe haven from most of that stuff.

2011-03-28 13:18:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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I Agree with everything Thegide has said. Also, you need to realize that this game is more popular than ever.... which means we now have a broader player/viewing audience for our levels. More advertising means more people playing the game. The community has grown and we've taken on a lot of idiots in recent months, who don't really understand the concept of the game or it's motto really means and stands for. Overall, nothing has changed ... we just have more numbers of people playing now, and I think that is directly affecting the kind of feedback we are seeing on people's levels.

2011-03-28 14:28:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737

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Its far worse than in LBP1. had people sad facing comments about a level i was testing while it was locked. they had not even played it and rated down just because they are d@#/s LOL. A level that is doing well tends to get a lot more of sad faces on the comments and reviews. makes me miss the h4h messages.

2011-03-28 14:37:00 Author: SteveBigGuns Posts: 423

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Other kind of art is no different, theres always someone dislike your art, you just need deal with it

2011-03-28 14:46:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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Hey, Im pretty young and I don't do ANYTHING like that.

2011-03-28 14:54:00 Author: DominationMags Posts: 1840

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The game is rated E so the community is massive. The amount of insolent, squealing little kids accounts for a good number of the community. I see people disliking and instead of leaving constructive reviews, leave an unintelligible sentence like "I hat u sooo mush". There will always be the "bad guys" in any sort of community. Sadly the ones in our community are louder than the guys that are genuinely nice. Hope this changes, but I don't see this happening anytime soon.

2011-03-28 16:36:00 Author: Flamento Posts: 352

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Don't care and move on... Most of the rude comments are just because of jealousy, while every good comment is surely is because of respect and sincere approval.

2011-03-28 16:51:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112

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It seems that the majority of the people playing the game are acting like people are creating for themwait, wait, wait, whoa, hold on a minute. You're trying to tell ME, that all the community levels i've been playing aren't made just for me. I thought all you guys were just making levels for me to try out. Sheesh, this changes EVERYTHING. But seriously, I agree with thegide for the most part. With most of these multiplayer games you have to ignore all the immature mess that goes along with it. If you dwell on it, and get all upset over it then they win. If you see a bad comment or "nay" and you felt differently about the level, then counter with your positive comments and a "yay" if your annoyed with this, definitely stay away from other MMO's, uggh, it's terrible out there. I've be tea bagged (can you say that here?) so many times in FPS games it's not even funny. I also race nascar online and what's really annoying is running in a race with 20 other people and one moron who decides after 100 laps of racing to turn around and go backwards and wreck the whole field. yeah all of sudden you turn into a Frenchmen, and he's sitting at his house just laughing and laughing......I gotta go.

2011-03-28 16:57:00 Author: biorogue Posts: 8424

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There something either you guys know and arent saying or maybe havent noticed... but Just cause there young doesnt mean there doing this...its not right to bully up on 10 or 13 year olds cause of this, cause believe me or not, ive seen other Well known creators act..."Weird" to put in nice words, and some of them I even looked up to, and there probably in there 20's, 30's LBP is full of selfishness and so many negative things nothing will ever change that and its really sad, but Its good to know there still good people in the community But yeah, Young sackfolk arent the only ones doing this, So just ignoring and moving on is the best option ^^ I mean the guy that made the Wedding level, do you think he cares about all that? Hes probably happily married right now, living a happy life, probably has kids and is a success, inspiration in life. Everything else is just not important.

2011-03-28 17:00:00 Author: Bloo_boy Posts: 1019

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If you want to see this kind of behaviour taken to it's extreme, check out the comments page on my level Space Assassins. It used to really nark me off, but now I just revenge troll the little turds by spamming every level they ever made with comments like "my 5 year old daughter could make better levels than this" and "stick to bulding with lego because your level stinks". Inevitably they will message me, all upset and crying. "Why is you picking on me you howible man? I didn't do anything to you!" One kid even told me I had spoiled the game for him and he wasn't gonna play any more. Others have remorsefully begged me to be their friend. Heh heh...touche! In the words of the great Clint Eastwood... http://i41.tinypic.com/mkb3b7.jpg

2011-03-28 17:25:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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You know they're just trollin' when they hate on something as good as Space Assassins

2011-03-28 17:31:00 Author: Flamento Posts: 352

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The only 1 reason it that people are jealous or people just don't like it, Some people have acted 'Differient' now that the LBP community has been making levels out the Wazoo, They might have had a bad day or something, but just ignore them TW@TS. They have nothin better to do...

2011-03-28 17:39:00 Author: Unknown User

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The only 1 reason it that people are jealous or people just don't like it, Some people have acted 'Differient' now that the LBP community has been making levels out the Wazoo, They might have had a bad day or something, but just ignore them TW@TS. They have nothin better to do... Where's the fun in ignoring it, when that kind of behaviour gives people like me the perfect opportunity to unleash their inner grumpy old man?

2011-03-28 17:43:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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I've been more entertained lately with the comments Ungreth has been putting on others' levels than actually PLAYING LBP2! Great reading! But... speaking personally, I've REALLY enjoyed having an MM pick for this very reason. It's kind of like playing "king of the hill"... but you're INVICIBLE! No matter how much they try to add bad comments or downrate..... the level is STAYIN' UP THERE!!!! It's especially satisfying knowing I've built a really tough game that ticks the kids off. Every time I get a sad face, a little wry smile appears on mine. I would has more sympathy for the people who publish a new great level, and it gets downrated during the first few days... which ruins it's chance to really shine.

2011-03-28 18:03:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430

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Does anyone know if number of likes/dislikes affects a level's position on the Cool pages? If so, there might be more we could say about the problem than just "well, that's kids for you these days". There might be a better way the system could be designed. Anyway, I've learned from experience that you can't say anything about a person's level without the risk of retaliation. I wrote in the comments of a particularly hard level that the level was hard, which it clearly was; it was very hard. I didn't dislike the level. I didn't say anything negative. But the kid retaliated by disliking a bunch of my levels and leaving incoherent one sentence reviews.

2011-03-29 02:34:00 Author: zabel99 Posts: 179

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To the original poster: I agree with you a ton, and noticed it (expected it?) from the first time I went online. I'm coming to the LBP community late so I don't know if things were better before, but having now worked through LBP1 and LBP2 and all the DLC I've seen a whole lot of petty downvoting with stars and Yays/Boos depending on the game, and it's disappointing. That's the risk of any social network, and a huge number of players are children. Children essentially do not understand how interactivity and community work -- they know of these things, but not their dynamics. There's a whole conversation that can be had about children and empathy (they have none, and must learn it -- and cannot really learn it remotely, through online interactions). I can't help but notice whenever playing from the Cool or Mm Picks lists that about 1 in 10 players rate a level poorly. (Example: an Mm Pick will have 8,000-11,000 Yays and about 1,000 Boos) It's mainly kneejerk, I think, and often misplaced anger that causes this, and again, there are a lot of children in the game. Lag between remote players will cause the losing player to vote poorly. Being slapped will make the slappee downvote everything before quitting. Dying too many times will make a level "bad" to that player. Not getting what they expected when they loaded the level will make it "bad" again. Sometimes it might just be a revenge rating. And so on. And so forth. There are of course also legitimate reasons to dislike a level. But it's actually not something to get grumpy about, statistically (I was grumpy for a good while, until my very simple epiphany). Again, 1 in 10 players rate a level poorly. With no sliding scale for LBP2, that means you've got green and red, good and bad, yes and no. 9,000 Yays and 1,000 Boos is a 90% approval rating, or an A rating, if you want to borrow from such as Metacritic or other aggregate ratings sites. That's a very good score to have! Even 5,000 Yays and 1,000 Boos (where 1 in 5 players rates it poorly) is 80% approval. It's like the old toothpaste commercials. Four out of five players like it! That's really not bad. I think Media Molecule considered this when removing the star system for the sequel. We just have to weather the jerks, like in all interactions. Sometimes we can influence individuals and sometimes we never know why people do what they do. Just want to add that I do like seeing this sort of discussion, because it does bother me -- and I like to meet good players. I see you're in Australia! I'm a few hours away in Japan. We could easily end up online at the same time every night. Hope to see you around! EDIT UPDATE: Just went back to read the full thread and realized we all seem to be in sync on the fact that kids are kids -- though I know nobody here is trying to slight children for their age. My son is age 12, and picked up the game for the first time last week. I was tremendously proud of him when he got to the end of a community level, having just barely created his own (PSN: souma_xp), and mulled over the rating for a good minute. Yay or Boo? He hadn't enjoyed playing it, but he feared retaliation. On the other hand he didn't want to reward the level just to protect himself from some potential future backlash. Leaving it unrated was doing the creator a disservice, he thought. I know in a few more weeks he'll be plowing through and throwing ratings up and down without any care or interest, but he's started on the right path, and I like that. As the OP mentioned, many of the people who downvote a level don't have any levels of their own. They have nothing to lose and quickly go vicious, feeling anonymous and untouchable. Perhaps what's needed is a merit system (it'll be farmed and boosted, but still...) where you can only Yay or Boo a level if you've published a level and kept it unedited, including all reviews, for at least 7 days. Ugh I can already see the myriad scumbag maneuvers people will pull with this, too... guess we really do just have to suffer fools!

2011-03-29 05:30:00 Author: Unknown User

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Thanks for your thoughts, guys. I know that this has probably already been talked about quite a few times but I really just wanted to discuss this with someone. You all have pretty valid points.

2011-03-29 07:20:00 Author: Retro Posts: 104

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:/ im use to it, anyway it more sad to be like that and act like that

2011-03-29 12:05:00 Author: jump_button Posts: 1014

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I don't think it's "kids" so much. I think like any online community - there are just trolls. It doesn't matter if the level is the greatest thing ever in LBP2 and they will trash it. In fact, the better it is - the more angrily they lash out. I had one comment on my Jumper level that said, "I hope you get cancer". That's it. Kind of humorous in its' exaggerated hate - but really, just about as trollish as you can get. He then actually took the time to give a sad face to all the good reviews that were up at that time. Now that's some serious trolling! Another person said, "You're a ****" (four letter word for the male anatomy - which curiously, is not censored - but computer is?????!!!!). Anyway, there are plenty of great reviews, but I tend to find that people who level a "bad" comment usually just leave one word reviews. Or give my level a sad face with a 1 word review of "Long". I guess a long level gets an automatic "boo". I leave most bad reviews up unless they are downright trolls (like the cancer guy). Otherwise, I don't waste my energy. It's part of being online and, worst case scenrio - there is always the delete button.

2011-03-29 16:39:00 Author: CYMBOL Posts: 1230

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