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Ok, so I've always had some negativity from trolls leaving comments like "worst level ever" and "it sucks" on my level Space Assassins, but the other day this guy Mo3a4-ksa- posts "not cool" on my comments page. Nothing out of the ordinary, I've had many comments like that. Then he posts some profanity that's censored. Ok, so this guy really, really doesn't like my level. Then he comes back again later and posts "fouk you". So now it seems clear that this guy has a serious issue with me for whatever reason. So, I type this guy's user name into google and it seems he is from Saudi Arabia (KSA = Kingdom of Saudi Arabia), he is a student at King Fahd University of Petroleum & Minerals, and he is a devout muslim. My oldest daughter suggested maybe there was something in my level that muslims would see as offensive. This made me think back to a comment which I recieved a few months ago, where some guy ranted on my comments page about the level being "evil illuminati dajjal something or other" Masih ad-Dajjal (Arabic for "the false messiah"), is an evil figure in Islamic eschatology.[1] He is to appear pretending to be Masih (i.e. the Messiah) at a time in the future, before Yawm al-Qiyamah (Judgment Day), directly comparable to the figures of the Antichrist and Armilus in Christian and Jewish eschatology, respectively. So now I'm thinking...what the heck? Space Assassin's contains many subtle references to various cult organisations, including Freemasonry, and I'm aware that Freemasonry has historical links to the knights templar who tried to spread christianity through the muslim world during the 16th century. But the level doesn?t promote Freemasonry. It merely uses the concept of esoterical cults in general as a theme for story telling, much as The DaVinci Code and The Imaginarium of Doctor Parnassus did. But somehow it seems that muslim players must be seeing my level as being offensive to them, possibly because they see stuff in there that they associate to the Illuminati. Should I be worried? Do I risk having a fatwa put out on me and being assassinated myself?

2011-03-26 13:51:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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No. You don't. As long as whis guy actually plays LBP that is telling me that even though he may be a devout muslim on his terms I seriously doubt that he is involved with fundamentalist movements within Islam like for instance the salafists jihadists or wahabism. Just refrain from making any depictions of the Prophet, and you'll be fine

2011-03-26 14:09:00 Author: Discosmurf Posts: 210

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Well, here we are again at the "what is offensive" debate; Should someone taking offense at a percieved attack on their religious sensibilities have the right to ask a mod to pull a level? What if a christian fundamentalist takes offense at any references to god/jesus/heaven or hell etc? (which, by the literal interpretation of "taking the lords name in vain", there are quite alot of) Should we even care what they think? Why should we non-theists have to abide by "Gods Law"? If I want to draw a picture of Muhammed - then surely that is my right as a free individual? What right does a theist have to stop me? Why is one persons freedoms (religious freedom) given priority over someone elses freedoms (freedom of expression)? discuss:

2011-03-30 10:27:00 Author: Macnme Posts: 1970

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I believe that in most cases common sense and courtesy applies. Before you publish or utter an opinion on a matter that you know may upset people of certain beliefs or culturual background you should ask yourself: Is it necessary? Am I trying to make a point or is it just in order to provoke? Until the day comes when the whole world shares the same language, culture, upbringing and moral code I think we have to be able to look outside our own sphere of excistence and realize that what may not seem provoking to you in fact is a serious insult to someone else. And yeah, you may choose to ignore it, but then you must be ready to face the concequences. Period.

2011-03-30 14:31:00 Author: Discosmurf Posts: 210

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Short and simple. Its a fictional LBP level that is meant to cause no emotional or religous upset among the community.

2011-03-30 17:29:00 Author: craigmond Posts: 2426

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Until the day comes when the whole world shares the same language, culture, upbringing and moral code I think we have to be able to look outside our own sphere of excistence and realize that what may not seem provoking to you in fact is a serious insult to someone else. but the ones that are "insulted" could/should also consider that even though something is provoking/insulting to them, might not be meant provoking or insulting in the first place. so in that case they should look outside their sphere of existence and realize that.

2011-04-05 18:00:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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After reading the OP, This doesn't seem "racist" I haven't played the level so I have to take your word for it on how subtle the suggestions are. Some people of a faith, orientation, gender, race, or what have you, can take things differently. Some may choose to ignore remarks made to them or their people (not saying you did.) which is what many people do. Yet there are always people who will take offense. Some more than others. I know personally when I am insulted for my background I find myself getting upset. Yet it doesn't drive me to call out death threats and such. I guess what I am trying to say is everyone is different. Nothing is predictable. I agree with the previous comments, some times you should ask before you do or say something that could offend others because you don't necessarily know how they'll react.

2011-04-05 23:15:00 Author: Maxi Posts: 1176

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uC91GYEumyA Ok, I have'nt played it but it has to be Un-offencive. What sick creator would make an offencive level? Certinley not anyone in LBP! Don't mind the video, I just wanted you to see the end bit.... P.S. Don't mind my spelling, I was rushing to write this

2011-04-06 21:12:00 Author: Unknown User

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When making levels, I tend to try and avoid ANY mention of religion. There will always be someone, somewhere, who will take offence to something. Take the London 2012 Olympic symbol, someone thought it looked like ZION, and took offence to it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXg8ytNtISs Look how they interpreted the 2012 symbol. Nazis?! Zion!? Just be careful. There are some people who don't think like us (putting it in the most tactful way possible) Struanmcd

2011-04-06 21:40:00 Author: Struanmcd Posts: 333

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If you ask me, if you're wondering and have to ask if something is racist in your level, I'm guessing it most likely will for a few. Specially when it deals with a race/ religion/ othe kind of group you're ont a part of/ don't know "a lot" o, so I really wouldn't risk it, because what some may not consider offensive, others may see it as the worst thing ever. Just my 2 cents.

2011-04-06 21:50:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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I haven't played your level, but from it it seems, it's mostly just an evil cult is portrayed? ... I don't really see how an evil cult is anti muslim... wait... are you saying Islam is a cult? One that is evil at that? RACIST! ... but ya, methinks this has nothing to do with his religion, and he is just overall, shall we say, a "troll" (that is the common term, yes?

2011-04-06 22:34:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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but the ones that are "insulted" could/should also consider that even though something is provoking/insulting to them, might not be meant provoking or insulting in the first place. so in that case they should look outside their sphere of existence and realize that. i just thought it might be useful to point out at this point that in islam you are explicitly forbidden from making any images of humans, i think it has to do with us being made in allahs image and no image of allah can be made (which is why in arab countries we often find beautiful works of detailed abstract mosaicry and such) so going by what the qu'ran has been interpreted as pretty much any person who has ever made a drawing of a person has insulted islam by proxy.(including of course DaVinci, Rembrandt, or any other master) basically my point is that when it comes to Muslims being insulted by works of art or even LBP levels i personally take everything with a (fairly large) pinch of salt.

2011-04-08 20:21:00 Author: Skalio- Posts: 920

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basically my point is that when it comes to Muslims being insulted by works of art or even LBP levels i personally take everything with a (fairly large) pinch of salt. Yeah, I've seen this in my professional life a few times and my impression of this subject is that there are just some people who seem to go out of their way to be insulted by things like this, and sometimes you just have to leave them alone to deal with their stuff and stay out of it. but the ones that are "insulted" could/should also consider that even though something is provoking/insulting to them, might not be meant provoking or insulting in the first place. so in that case they should look outside their sphere of existence and realize that. Man, if only that were true the world might be a much better place (hopefully no one objects to my use of "man" as an interjection)

2011-04-08 23:32:00 Author: Chazprime Posts: 587

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Do be aware that some people do have a bias against anything that's 'not them', to generalise. As a historial aside, Christians and Muslims have hated each other since the crusades well over 700-or-so years ago. Might be away from the point, but hey, I find it intresting.

2011-04-09 21:24:00 Author: Jaymes_Keller Posts: 27

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It's the Freemasons you have to watch out for... You'll be dangling form underneath London bridge with your heart missing and a frog in your mouth before you know it! - I'd keep your eyes open for old white dudes wearing pinnies and one pant leg rolled up! Oh, and by the way, while we're on the subject, 'Stiff Pistons' is offensive to Everyone!!!

2011-07-16 07:55:00 Author: AccumulationNone Posts: 58

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It's the Freemasons you have to watch out for... You'll be dangling form underneath London bridge with your heart missing and a frog in your mouth before you know it! - I'd keep your eyes open for old white dudes wearing pinnies and one pant leg rolled up! I plan to publish SA2 tonight, so I'll also have the Neopagans baying for my blood before this day is through.

2011-07-16 18:27:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Well, we often do not realize how different some cultures are, and how easily offended someone on the other side of the world can get. Assuming most of us here are either Europeans, Americans and Australians, we can say the western culture is the most liberal and least conservative in the world. And we publish levels and post stuff online whilst feeling at home inside our shell, that content we publish is in fact available in all the world, where it can easily offend those not sharing of our viewpoint and cultural background. This is teh interwebz. No matter how innocent it may seem, there is always someone, somewhere that will get offended. Like this: http://failbook.failblog.org/2011/07/12/funny-facebook-fails-dead-babies/#comments Not saying that you should that limit you, of course. No one coming from a culture that pursues homossexuals like animals, claims that public stonings are justice and opresses women's rights has the morals to talk about ofensiveness. The wise thing to do may be contacting the "offended", saying that you had no intention to offend or attack anyone's religious or cultural viewpoints, and that your level is supposed to not refer to any real-life cult and that you apologize if you inadvertently offended anyone. If they don't accept, let them deal with it. Do you think he's a not particularly clever rookie member of an assassin cult that's thinks you're parodying it with your level and got the urge to call you out on it? That'd be something.

2011-07-27 17:31:00 Author: SnipySev Posts: 2452

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Just ignore them, it's silly to get offended for this stuff imo. Especially for a freaking LBP Level.

2011-08-22 17:13:00 Author: Flame Dragon Posts: 312

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I know about the London Olympics 2014 thing. I've received comments on one of the simple games I've made because you could easily paint the Nazi symbol. can't find it, sorry, no screenshot. it would be inappropriate and ban-worthy anyway.

2011-08-23 01:26:00 Author: Cronos Dage Posts: 396

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Im a Muslim and I just wanted to say people from Saudi Arabia make Islam more strict then it actually is. I will play your level and Ill let you know if I find it offensive

2011-12-29 21:16:00 Author: XxHAMADEHxX Posts: 113

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Im a Muslim and I just wanted to say people from Saudi Arabia make Islam more strict then it actually is. I will play your level and Ill let you know if I find it offensive Thing is, the level doesn't even make any reference to Islam. It makes indirect reference to the Freemasons, who have alleged historical links to the Knights Templar, who led a crusade against the Muslim world in the 11th century. The bad guys in the level are a religious cult who use a spaceship as their cathedral and aren't even linked to the Freemasons, but some of the symbols of their order are adapted versions of symbols used by the Freemasons. The player takes the hero role of an assassin who is sent to take down the cult, and since the term assassin stems from the term Asasiyun, a disciple of an ancient Islamic order, I guess that makes it even more incomprehensible how the level could be percieved as offensive by muslim people. I've even been accused of placing "satanic" symbols in the level, which aren't even there. Go figure.

2011-12-30 03:18:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Well it sounds like the guy was being an Idiot then lol. I dont find that offensive at all. You didnt make fun of our God or anything, all you did was use historical references the barley have to do with Islam. As for the Satanic symbols thing maybe you should make a level explaining what the symbols are based from or something like that.

2011-12-30 13:17:00 Author: XxHAMADEHxX Posts: 113

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