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The king is dead... long live the king.

So much has changed in so little time. From the dog days of summer to the darkest nights of winter, Fatal Fantasia had been like a wild rollercoaster, flying up, down, sideways and everyway you could think of. We stood by our work, and we stood for ourselves... but alas, this has happened.

It's been a good run... it's still a good run.

Because this project is not dead. It's far from it. Though this may seem like a devastating blow, and tensions are still running high, our morale is strong, and, my God...

This isn't over yet. Not by a longshot.

Now, under the new group of Refugee Publishing and new leadership, we promise to STILL deliver the best LittleBigPlanet-oriented comic series to hit this side of LBPC. It's still the same people. It's still the same jobs. But things will change. And for the better.

So stay tuned... because who KNOWS what can happen now. The possibilities are endless.

- Outlaw-Jack, on behalf of Refugee Publishing		2011-03-25 08:12:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

Well, that's good to hear.

Under new management? So Shadow's gone?		2011-03-25 10:12:00

Author:
Devious_Oatmeal
Posts: 1799

Well, that's good to hear.

Under new management? So Shadow's gone?
Yes.
The rest of the team, however, is the same as before.		2011-03-25 10:24:00

Author:
SR20DETDOG
Posts: 2431

Wait, what?

What did I miss? Was there drama over a comic?

Silly gadders :l		2011-03-25 10:37:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

My hero <32011-03-25 15:01:00

Author:
Testudini
Posts: 3262

last time I checked Fatal Fantasia was MY PROJECT....and I don't remember giving you authorization to use the name, story, or concenpt

so unless this is some new project...I'm going to have to respectfully ask that you take this down...Fatal Fantasia is all that I have...it's my project and my child...and I canceled the project and WILL NOT have it continued.

so I ask respectfully...don't take the last thing I have away from me....Fatal Fantasia isn't yours...so kindly give it back.		2011-03-25 16:14:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

We're changing the name, altering a bit of the story, and replacing some characters. The only part of this that's yours is one character, and the rough concept of the main storyline/overall goal, which we're going to change as well. Outlaw has been writing the entire thing and fleshing out the story, so yeah, the story is 100% his. Just because you sparked the idea doesn't mean the entire project belongs to you, especially when other people are doing the work.

If it's your project, and your child, why would you want to see it die again? Why would you want it back if you're just going to throw it away? You had a choice: You could be part of the project but step down as leader so it could be a democracy, or you could leave altogether if you had a problem with that. Instead, you chose to throw away all those months of hard work that Outlaw and I put so much of our time into. That was a poor choice, and you're being very selfish right now, Shadow. Please at least understand the reasoning behind us continuing the project.		2011-03-25 16:23:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

shadow......he dont want to take Fatal Fantasia for him, he want finish the so worked hard project you didnt finished.
If you give the authorization, you will be proud of the work they finished.
Fatal Fantasia will still be yours, but the fun will be shared with all the people.
Its like a level. It's yours, but if you publish, you share the fun with people, and this have the same fun as before. Actualy, you can have way more fun!
Think about that. Think LBP.		2011-03-25 16:23:00

Author:
ViniciusBR11
Posts: 546

concept was also mine too...multi-verse travel and the main protagonist also being the possible villain is a unique plot so i dont expect to see this here if its all "his" story

and no zim...TELLING me to step down isn't the same as "stepping down" you guys literally forced me to make a choice...which was so disrespectful as this was MY PROJECT, none of your characters were even PART OF THE STORY but i added you guys in as a reward for helping me with the project. the story revolved around my character because it was MY STORY...you guys KNEW all the goods and bad of this project before you joined...i even mentioned how useless i was at everything that i would not be doing anything and you all agreed...and then you guys DARE to call me out as a horrible leader and force me to drop my position as leader? broke my heart to pieces

never been so disrespected in all my life...and from people i considered as friends...i didnt expect that wall of text...i figured if there was a problem then we'd all be adults and talk it over....but no...you guys forced me to step down...and im not going to be disrespected like that and have my child being raised by people like that...so i cancelled the project...because i dont want Fatal Fantasia to be tainted.

so again

FATAL FANTASIA is DEAD...the story about shadowcrazy being sent to craft earth to destroy it to gain the power of the GODs to go back to his planet and take care of his planet is gone....the story about going through many alternate universes set in various game, movie, book worlds is dead....and the twist of the last 3 endings being to save craftearth, destroy craft earth for his people, or to try and save both is gone too.

Fatal Fantasia is dead...and if it ever gets revived...it wont be a comic...

so again...nobody gets my permission to use Fatal Fantasia, the concept OR story that i just posted...and I ask again respectfully to not take my idea...because I DO NOT WANT TO SEE ANYTHING SIMILAR TO WHAT IVE SEEN BEFORE THE COMICS CANCELLATION....you guys hate seeing this in LBP1 and LBP2...so don't do it in LBPC

again...Fatal Fantasia is all i have and its the only reason im here in LBPC...to keep going with this project is to basically say that you want me to leave LBPC...		2011-03-25 16:33:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

Look, let's just get a mod's opinion on what they think of this, because chances are they've had more experience with these things.

(And for the record, traveling through different video-game-themed or movie-themed universes is not your idea. It's been used in movies and comics before.)		2011-03-25 16:41:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Look, let's just get a mod's opinion on what they think of this, because chances are they've had more experience with these things.

(And for the record, traveling through different video-game-themed or movie-themed universes is not your idea. It's been used in movies and comics before.)

feel free...I'd like to see their opinion on this as well

(I'm aware of that...but the concept was more then just multi-verse travel and you know that...like the bad ending that doesn't happen in the media often if not RARELY)		2011-03-25 16:43:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

Hmm...Weeeeell, there are tons of different ways to incorporate a multi-verse travel theme, and lots of different ways to go about with a bad/bittersweet ending, too. Imagination is limitless!2011-03-25 16:47:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

my way has never been done before from what i can tell (aurora portals) except for MK vs DC Universe

and the ending of destroying all of craft world and all the people he met and got attached to hasn't been done either		2011-03-25 16:50:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

There are hundreds of billions of books and movies and video games in the world. Every idea has been done at least once before! 2011-03-25 16:53:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

well the portals was from MK vs DC UNIVERSE

but the other one was original and i've yet to see any form of media have the same thing		2011-03-25 16:55:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

Weeell, just 'cause ya haven't seen it yet doesn't mean it doesn't exist, right?2011-03-25 16:57:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

true...but it also doesn't mean it's been done either2011-03-25 16:58:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

Well, I'm a Mod, but i can't do anything cuz I'm jsut a Wiki Mod.
Well, in my opinion, I'd not lock this already, as it's not solved. In my opinion, Shadow, you're being some kind of selfish. It's is not YOUR story, it's a story ABOUT YOU (and your friends). You don't own the story, the Fatal Fantasia team own it. You never said before the story were owned by you. If you ever said this, we would agree, but no. We aren't agreeing.
And no, we didn't MAKE you step down. WE never said this before, instead, we were helping you, encouraging you to continue. You stepped down by youself. And also, it's not bcuz you stepped down EVERYBODY needs to step down..
...
Yea...that's my opinion..
...

EDIT:
Also remembering, as this is being so posted and 'running' sorry if I post about something already have been said.
Example: I started typing this down b4 these last 2 posts.		2011-03-25 16:59:00

Author:
ViniciusBR11
Posts: 546

Alright, alright, that's enough - I've PM'd a mod, they should be here soon. So let's just sit tight and avoid any further argument. 2011-03-25 17:02:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Well, I'm a Mod, but i can't do anything cuz I'm jsut a Wiki Mod.
Well, in my opinion, I'd not lock this already, as it's not solved. In my opinion, Shadow, you're being some kind of selfish. It's is not YOUR story, it's a story ABOUT YOU (and your friends). You don't own the story, the Fatal Fantasia team own it. You never said before the story were owned by you. If you ever said this, we would agree, but no. We aren't agreeing.
And no, we didn't MAKE you step down. WE never said this before, instead, we were helping you, encouraging you to continue. You stepped down by youself. And also, it's not bcuz you stepped down EVERYBODY needs to step down..
...
Yea...that's my opinion..
...

EDIT:
Also remembering, as this is being so posted and 'running' sorry if I post about something already have been said.
Example: I started typing this down b4 these last 2 posts.

yes it IS MY STORY...I made it and even in the OP of the Fatal Fantasia thread I STATED THIS...apparently you didn't read that...which saddens me

so yes..I DO OWN THE STORY...FATAL FANTASIA IS MINE...and the group was made by ME which is now disbanded

and the other part you replied to wasnt directed at you so i dont see why you replied to it...that was directed at the TEAM that basically made a mutiny...

and trust if someones going to try and kick you out of your own project...you're going to take your project with you		2011-03-25 17:05:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

now im confused :S
ITS DONE YET?
please answer with yes, no or mabye

EDIT:

yes it IS MY STORY...I made it and even in the OP of the Fatal Fantasia thread I STATED THIS...apparently you didn't read that...which saddens me

so yes..I DO OWN THE STORY...FATAL FANTASIA IS MINE...and the group was made by ME which is now disbanded

and the other part you replied to wasnt directed at you so i dont see why you replied to it...that was directed at the TEAM that basically made a mutiny...

and trust if someones going to try and kick you out of your own project...you're going to take your project with you
um.....srry...i didnt saw this......****, felling bad now
(another post i dint saw doing of typin'-during-it-were-being-posted)
and shadow.....no i dont wanna say that "YOU'RE WRONG HAHA >=)", im trying to find the best way to end all this, being it cancelled or not.
and answers what i said above / <=)
and, now, may we all be friend..lol.....i dont wanna be enemy of people here in LBPC......		2011-03-25 17:06:00

Author:
ViniciusBR11
Posts: 546

AHERMMM. Like I said, let's just stop this right here and wait for a mod, k?2011-03-25 17:07:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

K, let's wait an actualy mod.....
*sits down*
*keep looking at clock*

*tic toc tic toc*		2011-03-25 17:13:00

Author:
ViniciusBR11
Posts: 546

Hey folks,

So, it turns out this topic has turned a couple of heads and landed on our desk. The first thing I want everyone reading this to understand is that I have zero history on this subject. The second thing I want you to understand is that we are moderators. We make sure that the rules are being followed on this site, and that's about it.

From what I can gather, there have been no rules broken here.

Now, I could sit here in my moderator chair and say "so-and-so should do this" and "so-and-so should do that," but to do so would be an abuse of the role we play here. If I did make recommendations, they would be of my own opinion, and not those of LBPC.

Therefore, to be fair to all parties involved, we will not be "deciding" anything.

The reason this breakdown may have happened is not important. What needs to happen here is for all parties to resolve this issue themselves in a responsible and fair manner. In addition, to post the group's internal gripes, drama and otherwise personal things publicly (i.e. in this thread) may not be the best forum for your grievances with each other.

(Moderator hat off)

The one thing I love of about LBP is that it tends to attract all sorts of creative people into this neat little niche of a game. When those creative minds collaborate, discuss, and work together to achieve a common goal, great things can happen. Thus, I am personally upset to see any artistic effort fall apart, for whatever reason. I can only hope that there is agreement and discussion here that will address everyone's concerns in the most ideal and equitable manner.

(Moderator hat back on)		2011-03-25 17:51:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239

Well actually, I wasn't asking a mod to "enforce an opinion". I was just hoping one of you knew anything about copyright/ownership and all that. We're just going to have to sort this out ourselves, then.

So I did some research on copyright law. Take a look at this, taken from here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright).
"Copyright is a set of exclusive rights granted to the author or creator of an original work, including the right to copy, distribute and adapt the work. Copyright does not protect ideas, only their expression."

In other words...Author = Outlaw - He was the one who wrote it, it belongs to him. Creator = myself - I'm the one who drew it, it belongs to me.
Shadow, we will change the name, change the ending, and make some alterations to the storyline, and replace your character. If we do this, the project is in no way yours (grant it, it wasn't really from the start).
We will still be continuing this project.

And I think it's best that we keep this discussion/argument to Shadowcrazy and ex-members of the FF team only.		2011-03-25 18:02:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Oh, and Zim, Copyright doesn't apply since..none of you have copyright for it, it's just something you did for fun 2011-03-25 18:27:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800

When you pay to copyright something, that'll help you in court if anyone was to steal it. It's U.S. law that anything created by someone is automatically under copyright protection - It doesn't matter if it's "just something we did for fun".2011-03-25 18:34:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

I hope everybody involved can live with the situation as it is and I'm sorry to see that it may have generated a rift between some of our community members. Just a reminder: please be polite and respectful to each other and if you have negative opinions of others, please keep them to yourselves.2011-03-25 18:45:00

Author:
Sehven
Posts: 2188

What exactly does Shadow say he "owns"? Or better yet, what exactly does he say he has the say in whether or not you can use it?2011-03-25 19:24:00

Author:
Devious_Oatmeal
Posts: 1799

Guessing I've missed something here...2011-03-25 19:33:00

Author:
TehUberZac
Posts: 587

As far as I can tell, Zim and Outlaw have really been carrying this on their shoulders... However, I can see where Shadow is coming from.


My suggestion? Add a "Based on a Concept by Shadowcrazy" in the staff credits somewhere. Otherwise, I really can't say anything, besides that I'd rather have this in someone else's hands ('someone else' being the staff minus the old boss) than see it all go to waste.		2011-03-25 20:02:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

As far as I can tell, Zim and Outlaw have really been carrying this on their shoulders... However, I can see where Shadow is coming from.


My suggestion? Add a "Based on a Concept by Shadowcrazy" in the staff credits somewhere. Otherwise, I really can't say anything, besides that I'd rather have this in someone else's hands ('someone else' being the staff minus the old boss) than see it all go to waste.

That's a good idea, but it isn't going to be enough for him, I'm guessing. We're gonna have to wait and see what he says about the whole copyright thing.		2011-03-25 20:06:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

I can see where Shadow is coming from.

I'm glad somebody does...it's like how in LBP people copy levels...change minor things...and then publish them as their own...it never bothers anyone as much until it happens to them...which is how im experiencing it right now. I created Fatal Fantasia and all this was explained in my story...which the more i read these replies the more i feel like either nobody read it...or they just want to side with whoever is going to make this happen...which makes me feel like some villain beeindemonized for trying to protect the one thing i have left in LBPC...and it feels worse when the replies make me feel like nobody cares that i made it...and go out of the way to prove that even if i made the story its not mine because other people worked on it...which breaks my heart...makes me wonder what they'll do if someone does this to them....


My suggestion? Add a "Based on a Concept by Shadowcrazy" in the staff credits somewhere. Otherwise, I really can't say anything, besides that I'd rather have this in someone else's hands ('someone else' being the staff minus the old boss) than see it all go to waste.

i woulda agreed if not for the next quote



Copyright does not protect ideas, only their expression."

In other words...Author = Outlaw - He was the one who wrote it, it belongs to him. Creator = myself - I'm the one who drew it, it belongs to me.
Shadow, we will change the name, change the ending, and make some alterations to the storyline, and replace your character. If we do this, the project is in no way yours (grant it, it wasn't really from the start).
We will still be continuing this project.

this quote hurts the most because its basically trying to find ways to say that Fatal Fantasia isnt mine which is heart breaking...regardless of the fact that if i had never made the name, story, and convinced iTri to work on it we wouldnt even be discussing this....in the end with a quote like this....i dont want this project to continue at all....because according to zim....Fatal Fantasia was never mine to begin with :'( regardless of the fact that without me thinking it up in Sackininma all this wouldnt have happened		2011-03-25 22:05:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

I created Fatal Fantasia and all this was explained in my story...which the more i read these replies the more i feel like either nobody read it...or they just want to side with whoever is going to make this happen.
No one is siding with you because you're a jerk Dom (is it ok if I call you that?).

Originally, it WAS yours. But eventually, it evolved. More people came to work on your idea, and it became as much as yours as theirs. You made the mold, and they filled it.		2011-03-25 22:13:00

Author:
Testudini
Posts: 3262

I think there could be some compromise here, or at least some clearing up of both side's viewpoints.

Regarding the level analogy, there's various ways of looking at it. As I understand the development process, it would as if Shadowcrazy set up an outline for a level, Outlaw developed it, and Zim + other artists built it. The lines are blurred here - who has the right to develop this? The creator? The author? the artist?

Honestly? I think you guys should take a second look at reforming your old publishing company. I think it's worth a try to attempt a peaceable compromise with Shadow, because obviously he still wants to continue with the project.		2011-03-25 22:22:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

Compromise and working it out were the original intentions of the group.

Shadow's feelings are hurt, and I understand that. But, it needs to be clear...we did not TAKE the project from him. it was OUR project (Shadow included) and we needed him to change, and he decided to declare the comic dead...but the workers still want to work, and work we shall. It was not our intention to have him leave and us do this without him (at least it was not mine). It was just that the way things were being run was not working and changed was needed. I have told Shadow we should work it out, but he does not want to. Maybe in a couple days he will change his mind, and I would be more than happy to discuss it and work things out and assume the others would as well.

With that said, I believe all of this should be handled in private and not all over a public thread, as that is the respectful way to handle things like this. So, I say lock or delete this thread.		2011-03-25 22:37:00

Author:
Spider-Jew
Posts: 1090

No one is siding with you because you're a jerk Dom (is it ok if I call you that?).

Fine if jerk means trying to preserve the last bit of my dignity and identity on this site then feel free to call me a d-bag...hence why i always ignore your messages...

@astro - i woulda loved to continue this project...but what do you do when your own team, who were well aware of the ups and downs to joining and did so anyways, wants to boot you out of your own project? Can you really look at me with a straight face and tell me you wouldnt be here fighting for your creation?

I thought after our arguement was settled down that we'd be adults and talk things through to help advance as a team...instead i get a wall of text from outlaw basically forcing a choice upon me to step down as leader and makes me sound like i am a piece of **** without them...i know you dont want to side astro...but if you had to read what i read...youd understand how bad this hurts me that my own team couldnt talk things over and decided to boot me off my own project...

In the end i did what i think was a right decision and took down the project...because if theyre so eager to boot me off my own creation...it seems like the series would have gone corrupt.		2011-03-25 22:38:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

Shadow stop, I've worked with you in a group before and i have to say You are a Selfish Creature, Ideas cannot be owned, thats why they are ideas, Names cannot be owned, Names Belong.

Shadow, Give up, Mutinies happen because leaders fail, Its really as simple as that.		2011-03-25 22:39:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

Fine if jerk means trying to preserve the last bit of my dignity and identity on this site then feel free to call me a d-bag...hence why i always ignore your messages...

@astro - i woulda loved to continue this project...but what do you do when your own team, who were well aware of the ups and downs to joining and did so anyways, wants to boot you out of your own project? Can you really look at me with a straight face and tell me you wouldnt be here fighting for your creation?

I thought after our arguement was settled down that we'd be adults and talk things through to help advance as a team...instead i get a wall of text from outlaw basically forcing a choice upon me to step down as leader and makes me sound like i am a piece of **** without them...i know you dont want to side astro...but if you had to read what i read...youd understand how bad this hurts me that my own team couldnt talk things over and decided to boot me off my own project...

In the end i did what i think was a right decision and took down the project...because if theyre so eager to boot me off my own creation...it seems like the series would have gone corrupt.

Here's how it really happened:
Outlaw posted what each member of the group thought about his leadership, and how we believed it was time for a change. He asked Shadowcrazy to step down as leader so the group could be a democracy, and if he agreed to do that, he would still be part of the group. Instead of coming to a compromise or talking this over like a mature adult, Shadow kicked every member out of the group, deleted the group itself, and declared the project dead.

Shadow, you're the one who decided to be immature, and I'm shocked at how you handled this. We did not intend to disrespect you. We were only considering what was best for the project.

I will contact a mod to either delete or lock this thread.		2011-03-25 22:41:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Immature nothing...deleting a group that i created and have the power to delete doesnt make me immature...because spidey did the right thing and the ONLY mature thing and talked it out with me...not force a choice

@kernel - i dont remember ever working with you in a team...so im going to assume youre making it up and ignore your rude post which i reported...

In the end im going to fight this...hate me if you want...i dont care...fatal fantasia was my creation and ill keep fighting until i get a permab&...because i know in my heart this isnt right

But not like anybody cares about me...people seem to just want to see drawings :/

Thanks astro...for being the only one seeing it through my eyes and understanding		2011-03-25 22:50:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

@kernel - i dont remember ever working with you in a team...so im going to assume youre making it up and ignore your rude post which i reported...


the Long and Winding Road, Which i do believe you got everyone else angry and then eventually ragequitted, I've spoken to most of the members of the Comic book group, Its not them, Its you. Why do you fail to understand that?		2011-03-25 22:53:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

the Long and Winding Road, Which i do believe you got everyone else angry and then eventually ragequitted, I've spoken to most of the members of the Comic book group, Its not them, Its you. Why do you fail to understand that?

Jrange made me quit...and as far as anything else in that group i dont recall you doing much of anything yourself hotshot

And i never said the group had issues...only thing they did was force a choice to step down rather then talk things out to fix it...anyways im going to work...		2011-03-25 22:56:00

Author:
Shadowcrazy
Posts: 3365

... If I may, can someone paste what zim and outlaw said in the group? Because whether they said shadow should change and be a better leader or if they booted him out no second chance, that makes all the difference.

As for me in the early days of lbpc tg, I said multiple times that I understood if my team would prefer to work without me. But once it went somewhere I stopped. Anyway that was lbpc tg which was not my own devising. If I was kicked out of chains of time I would be angry since it is my story. However I could understand if I was to be demoted from manager to story consultant. So that's my exPerience and shadows job looks similar to mine.

Anyway knowing the original message is vital to getting a balanced view on the subject, since shadow says he was fired and outlaw and zim and spider are saying they wanted reform. So ya can we see that? Also I've had my own temper tantrums, so if you guys can forgive him like my teams have done for me that would be great if he wants of course. But till I get original post I'll refrain from opinion and even if shadow is wrong, I have been there too and my team always understood so I hope shadow can get same

You have no idea how hard typing this on iPhone was:/		2011-03-25 22:57:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

Jrange made me quit.

oh no its okay i made it up so im going to ignore you.
and calling me hotshot is offensive so imma report you		2011-03-25 23:00:00

Author:
Kern
Posts: 5078

The message was deleted, since the group was deleted. Shadow was asked to step down as leader of the group and was not told to quit or that we did not want him around anymore. The point was that the leadership was not leadership at all, so change was needed. Outlaw's message was posted in the group, so that the group would be able to discuss the matter, as a group. Shadow promptly deleted the group, so no dialogue took place.2011-03-25 23:01:00

Author:
Spider-Jew
Posts: 1090

Immature nothing...deleting a group that i created and have the power to delete doesnt make me immature...because spidey did the right thing and the ONLY mature thing and talked it out with me...not force a choice

@kernel - i dont remember ever working with you in a team...so im going to assume youre making it up and ignore your rude post which i reported...

In the end im going to fight this...hate me if you want...i dont care...fatal fantasia was my creation and ill keep fighting until i get a permab&...because i know in my heart this isnt right

But not like anybody cares about me...people seem to just want to see drawings :/

Thanks astro...for being the only one seeing it through my eyes and understanding

Apparently, seeing as how you deleted the group without saying a word, you didn't want to handle it maturely, talk it over, or come to a compromise. Shadow, you need to realize how your acting right now - Please just take a moment to sit down and think all of this over.
I can see why you would want to fight for this, but what you don't realize is that you brought it upon yourself. We wanted to come to an agreement with you, and we wanted to keep you as part of the group. You're the one who decided to just drop everything because you didn't agree with what we were saying. I don't think you realize how much this is hurting us, the ones who took so much time out of their lives to work on the project - You didn't even hesitate to throw all that work away.

Rock, I wish we COULD give you guys the full story, but Outlaw posted it in the group - Which, as you know, was deleted by Shadow. I'm honestly not sure who you guys are going to believe, since the only people who saw Outlaw's post were Shadow, Spidey, Outlaw (obviously), and me. Who you choose to believe is entirely up to you, but when doing so, you should consider both sides of the conflict.

This is all just ridiculous! Let's stop this right here, right now.
The comic is still going to continue. If you want to say something, take it to PM or VM.		2011-03-25 23:02:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Honestly, for it to be a fair judgement, it'd be best to compare the original concept story with Outlaw-Jack's story - obviously there will be some similarities, but if the overall synopsis is different (through authorial change)... well, it's out of your hands.2011-03-25 23:46:00

Author:
Nurolight
Posts: 918

... If I may, can someone paste what zim and outlaw said in the group? Because whether they said shadow should change and be a better leader or if they booted him out no second chance, that makes all the difference.

Or better yet, don't. This is not for any of us who weren't in the project to decide and we don't need to see all of the nitty gritty details or take sides on the debate. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is basically about how the project will continue and that's what the topic of discussion should be. Anybody who wishes to discuss the actual project and its details, feel free to post here, but if you want to argue politics or take sides or whatever, please keep it to PMs or group discussions.		2011-03-25 23:59:00

Author:
Sehven
Posts: 2188

Or better yet, don't. This is not for any of us who weren't in the project to decide and we don't need to see all of the nitty gritty details or take sides on the debate. As far as I'm concerned, this thread is basically about how the project will continue and that's what the topic of discussion should be. Anybody who wishes to discuss the actual project and its details, feel free to post here, but if you want to argue politics or take sides or whatever, please keep it to PMs or group discussions.

When we've worked out the details and organized everything to get started on the project again, we'll be making a new thread for it, so can you lock this thread for us?		2011-03-26 00:04:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149


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