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I just watched Wall-E, its a great movie, pixar films always are, even though geared for younger audiences. I thought it was a little to preachy though.

anyways, I love M-O, the little germophobic robot from the movie, so ive decided to celebrate my love for him with the best picture i could find.		2008-11-28 04:07:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/1/19/180px-Clank.jpg2008-11-28 05:30:00

Author:
Unknown User

Domo arigato, Mr. Roboto.2008-11-28 07:14:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

...who cares?2008-11-28 15:24:00

Author:
Unknown User

bwpW9oH9taw2008-11-28 16:00:00

Author:
ryryryan
Posts: 3767

bwpw9oh9taw

???

........		2008-11-28 16:19:00

Author:
Unknown User

...who cares?

idk! I was jusr bored, so i shared info that no one really cares about, like you often do. e.g. you going gold		2008-11-28 16:23:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

idk! I was jusr bored, so i shared info that no one really cares about, like you often do. e.g. you going gold

HA! EVERYONE cared. I deleted it cause it turned into Me vs. Cartman and Quozl.		2008-11-28 16:25:00

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Unknown User

bwpW9oH9taw

So that's where you got your avatar from! So who made your avatar?		2008-11-28 16:30:00

Author:
TheArmedReaper
Posts: 1543

...who cares?
Know what? Everyone is sick of you, goodbye.		2008-11-28 20:09:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

So that's where you got your avatar from! So who made your avatar?

I can't remember, i saw it on some guys blog and i forgot his name But it certainly wasn't me.		2008-11-28 21:23:00

Author:
ryryryan
Posts: 3767

Omg, what did the guy say? I need to know now!2008-11-28 21:33:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

i love M.O i especially love the part where walle first meets him2008-11-29 01:19:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

Know what? Everyone is sick of you, goodbye.

OMG history in my thread, its quite touching. this thread shall now be know as The-Thread-Where-Code-Had-Enough-And-Finally-Banned-Midget		2008-11-29 03:37:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

OMG history in my thread, its quite touching. this thread shall now be know as The-Thread-Where-Code-Had-Enough-And-Finally-Banned-Midget
As you wish. *bows*		2008-11-29 03:39:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

As you wish. *bows*

OMG freaking WIN		2008-11-29 03:43:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

KpT0yVmJRKg2008-11-29 03:54:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

Haha owned.

Honestly Code, are you considering banning ME next? =3		2008-11-29 03:59:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

Haha owned.

Honestly Code, are you considering banning ME next? =3
Nope, you're not ban-worthy. Yeah, you've made a few pointless threads, but your nowhere near the trouble LBM was for us.		2008-11-29 04:02:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

Nope, you're not ban-worthy. Yeah, you've made a few pointless threads, but your nowhere near the trouble LBM was for us.

But...am I at least exceedingly annoying? O_o		2008-11-29 04:13:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

KpT0yVmJRKg

GASP that is my favorite spongebob moment ever!!! it is so freaking win, i cant control my bowels		2008-11-29 04:18:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

is LBM perma banned 2008-11-29 04:22:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

GASP that is my favorite spongebob moment ever!!! it is so freaking win, i cant control my bowels
TMI...

is LBM perma banned
Yeah. :/		2008-11-29 04:24:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

i cant control my bowels

LOL! Freakin win!		2008-11-29 04:27:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

perma!
meh he probaly has already made a new account im gonna miss his stewie avatar and the guinne saurous sig lol		2008-11-29 04:28:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

perma!
meh he probaly has already made a new account im gonna miss his stewie avatar and the guinne saurous sig lol
I banned his other account too. ^_^		2008-11-29 04:32:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

*Bows down to Code*

I worship your modship		2008-11-29 04:51:00

Author:
Night Angel
Posts: 1214

*Bows down to Code*

I worship your modship
You have just won your way into my sig, congratulations!		2008-11-29 04:52:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

I thank your humble compliment

*Night Angel bows three more times*		2008-11-29 04:58:00

Author:
Night Angel
Posts: 1214

I thank your humble compliment

*Night Angel bows three more times*

That's enough, you have done well.		2008-11-29 05:06:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

Bye-bye.

Did not know the poster at all. Good thing apparently.		2008-11-29 05:33:00

Author:
Unknown User

very good thing. he was very obnoxious.
poor guy to get perma banned though 		2008-11-29 06:04:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

Who +rep'd me?

<3		2008-11-29 06:19:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

1. Thread title now looks like a "Friends" episode title.

2. M-O rocks. 3rd best character from a great film.

(The rest are: Wall-E, Uh, the cockroach whose name I forgot, then M-O)		2008-11-29 09:48:00

Author:
flakmagnet
Posts: 1084

1. Thread title now looks like a "Friends" episode title.

2. M-O rocks. 3rd best character from a great film.

(The rest are: Wall-E, Uh, the cockroach whose name I forgot, then M-O)

Does the roach even have a name? 		2008-11-29 09:50:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

I seriously want to just make out with Code right now.

God I hated that guy, he was such a *profanity*.		2008-11-29 11:58:00

Author:
Unknown User

Makes me wonder though...

Do people secretly hate ME but just won't say? =O		2008-11-29 12:04:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

Know what? Everyone is sick of you, goodbye.

I wasn't sick of him! I was kinda enjoying him to be honest.. Don't you think you have just been a bit too harsh? I don't even think he made it to the top of the infractions list before you banned him. I think you should bring him back...		2008-11-29 12:33:00

Author:
TheArmedReaper
Posts: 1543

So, LBM has been perma banned this time? o_O

ANYWAY, have you ever considered banning me? >_< Yeah...

So, um, I wonder what's for dinner...		2008-11-29 13:22:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

OMG history in my thread, its quite touching. this thread shall now be know as The-Thread-Where-Code-Had-Enough-And-Finally-Banned-Midget

OMFG LittleBigGiant and Littlebigmidget are similar names! What could this mean?!?		2008-11-29 14:22:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

OMFG LittleBigGiant and Littlebigmidget are similar names! What could this mean?!?

That they're cousins! !O.o!		2008-11-29 14:42:00

Author:
TheArmedReaper
Posts: 1543

I wasn't sick of him! I was kinda enjoying him to be honest.. Don't you think you have just been a bit too harsh? I don't even think he made it to the top of the infractions list before you banned him. I think you should bring him back...

Honestly, I don't think its your place to say whether a decision was too harsh or not. We have our reasons why he was banned.		2008-11-29 14:43:00

Author:
DrunkMiffy
Posts: 2758

Honestly, I don't think its your place to say whether a decision was too harsh or not. We have our reasons why he was banned.
I'm just saying that from my point of view, it seemed a bit harsh. And what do you mean ,'its your place to say whether a decision was too harsh or not'?		2008-11-29 14:48:00

Author:
TheArmedReaper
Posts: 1543

Honestly, I don't think its your place to say whether a decision was too harsh or not. We have our reasons why he was banned.

Just because he isn't a mod, doesn't mean that he can't state his dislike for a certain action, even if there are many unknowns to him.

In fact, if there are many unknowns to him, you should be expecting him to state his dislike.		2008-11-29 14:57:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

Honestly, I don't think its your place to say whether a decision was too harsh or not. We have our reasons why he was banned.

Woah, DrunkMiffy makes the mods seem like a bunch of evil dictators like from that book 1984 which I'm reading for English!
Now I'll probably get banned

Anyway I hate the word Harsh. Such a "Rocket Power" word. And I liked Rocket Power, but I don't like how they tried to get the kids to be cool by using words like "Gnarly" And "Wicked Righteous!"
Speaking of Wicked, in Concert band we are doing Selections from Wicked. I play drum set on it

Speaking of Wicked the play, it seems bad. I've never seen it though.		2008-11-29 15:19:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

OMFG LittleBigGiant and Littlebigmidget are similar names! What could this mean?!?

yeah, we are cousins, but im definetly the less annoying one		2008-11-29 16:18:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

wow wow wow wow wow wow....wait wait back up!!

what happend exactly??? why is LBM banned? (besides his attitude, but if you can get banned for that why not some other disrespectful people, and how many times was he warned anyway to be perm banned)

and whats this CC vs LBM thing...		2008-11-29 17:39:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

wow wow wow wow wow wow....wait wait back up!!

what happend exactly??? why is LBM banned? (besides his attitude, but if you can get banned for that why not some other disrespectful people, and how many times was he warned anyway to be perm banned)

and whats this CC vs LBM thing...

read through the last 3 pages and you will get an idea		2008-11-29 17:42:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

read through the last 3 pages and you will get an idea

a bunch of "owned" and "about time" isn't really an answer...

and my response to Drunk


Honestly, I don't think its your place to say whether a decision was too harsh or not. We have our reasons why he was banned.


and its our civic duty to question your actions, as I said he was a tad bit arrogant and impulsive, but how many times was he warned before this perma banned thing.

(P.S. wow that sounds like you people are dictators....)		2008-11-29 17:48:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

Actually, they do have every right to call to task staff in order to ensure justice and the rules are being carried out, as opposed to arbitrary decisions. It's called Lex Rex, not Rex Lex, and King Charles I lost his head over it. The staff is beneath the rules, and there to enforce it, rather than above it. Transparency and all.

Essentially, LBM was stepping across the line in several places, coupled with his history of pushing it, and finally the staff got tired of having to deal with him and his continual disrespect and disregard for the rules and just in general. He was dangerously nigh to begin with. This event here just broke the camel's back. And so bang bang, Maxwell's silver hammer came down upon his head. Clang clang, Maxwell's silver hammer...

...I think I'm getting off-topic.		2008-11-29 18:06:00

Author:
Mark D. Stroyer
Posts: 632

and its our civic duty to question your actions, as I said he was a tad bit arrogant and impulsive, but how many times was he warned before this perma banned thing.

(P.S. wow that sounds like you people are dictators....)
First, I don't mind you guys questioning our actions, as long as you realize there may be information you aren't aware of. Also, I want to point out that we do not have to provide a reason for our decisions, whether or not the public agrees. I am doing this merely to put it on the record, so to speak, so people don't continue to ask why he was banned.

He was banned because he was warned multiple times to stop arguing and tone down his attitude, which he did not do. He has been a nuisance since he joined, and while being a nuisance isn't exactly enough to warrant a ban, the fact that he didn't listen to us when we reprimanded him was enough. We were tired of him, to be honest.		2008-11-29 18:11:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

fair enough, I thought Code just brought down the ban-hammer without getting the green light.


one last thing,

Also, I want to point out that we do not have to provide a reason for our decisions, whether or not the public agrees. I am doing this merely to put it on the record, so to speak, so people don't continue to ask why he was banned.


I'm gonna go ahead and raise a complaint over here, if you bann someone and the public sees it as unjust and demands a reason, your respose can't be "I plead the fifth"		2008-11-29 18:15:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

Yeah, it might be easy to think, just by seeing this, that it was a quick decision. When it really wasn't. Case closed, here.

...And I'm also going to say, "Wait, what?"

Do you mean that we don't have to provide the reasons at the time and place of the actions? Or that we don't have to provide reasons when asked? It is not entirely clear.		2008-11-29 18:20:00

Author:
Mark D. Stroyer
Posts: 632

Two things are lacking.

A reason, and foreshadowing.

Usually, as I would think it better, shouldn't a public warning be handed out prior to banning?
After the violator is warned in private a few times, shouldn't there be a warning made in public?
That's the case with most message boards I've been to. >_>

And the reason thing... yes, well... it's pretty unethical to ban somebody and when asked why, you reply, "Just because."

Isn't it?		2008-11-29 18:24:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

ive been IMing LBM and he wants me to write this for him.


"LittleBigMidget has been watching this thread. He was warned once. Cartman told him that he was close to getting banned when they were argueing."

"TO CARTMAN: I apologized before deleting that thread. Looking back that was stupid as you wouldn't be able to see it."
DISCLAIMER: those quotes from LBM are not neccesarily the views of LittleBigGiant, they are just LBM's thoughts and opinions		2008-11-29 18:24:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

Usually, as I would think it better, shouldn't a public warning be handed out prior to banning?
After the violator is warned in private a few times, shouldn't there be a warning made in public?
That's the case with most message boards I've been to. >_>

Well, he was, actually. It was in another thread. Which, as LBG's post above states, got deleted. I'll go see if I can unbury it, but keep it locked, for archival purposes.		2008-11-29 18:27:00

Author:
Mark D. Stroyer
Posts: 632

Well, he was, actually. It was in another thread. Which, as LBG's post above states, got deleted. I'll go see if I can unbury it, but keep it locked, for archival purposes.

Oh goody, I thought a few people were quick on the ban-trigger. >_>

Not that I care much... xD
I'm too indifferent for my own good.		2008-11-29 18:29:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

I'll go see if I can unbury it, but keep it locked, for archival purposes.
that would be nice,

public warning someone is debatable, its really more between the person and the mods than the community.

but back to the new topic at hand. When did this "we don't have to give our reasons for our actions" start!!!!		2008-11-29 18:30:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

Right. Undeleted, closed, and linked here (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=p=83898). Just for any of you who missed the events and/or were confused.2008-11-29 18:32:00

Author:
Mark D. Stroyer
Posts: 632

I freakin love how my innocent avatar thread turned into one of the most controvercial threads in LBPC history2008-11-29 18:32:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

Let's ask ourselves a little question before this gets out of hand...Will we miss littlebigmidget?

I can answer: NO!		2008-11-29 18:33:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

Let's ask ourselves a little question before this gets out of hand...Will we miss littlebigmidget?

I can answer: NO!

Pointless post + 1

Thanks for bringing that thread back from the living dead, Mark, seems like you mods are running totalitarianism here otherwise. >_>

I'm also against this "banning without reasons" thing... well, until something slightly logical is brought up.		2008-11-29 18:36:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

Thanks Mark, helped a lot.

In my opinion
1. LBM was out of line, was banned for it and got back, then banned for arguing with a mod, kind of unfair since he suffered a ban for those past infractions, so when he got back it should of been a clean slate (unless I'm missing something)

2. based on what CC said in that thread, "Mods are special members, they were chosen for a reason, they work hard to keep this community on the line so respect them and don't argue with them."

This is a matter of opinion CC, but LBM was right, you people did choose to take the job, you decided to take the responsibility, don't give a sobstory about how its hard work and we shoud treat you special for it. The work comes with the powers, you agreed to it, if you don't want to do it, then decline. We do respect you for your services, but being unable to argue with you because you work for the community? When did we become a totalitarian forum

3.Marks got my nomination for 3rd Admin(to keep the balance between mods being above or below the rules)		2008-11-29 18:53:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

but back to the new topic at hand. When did this "we don't have to give our reasons for our actions" start!!!!
You misunderstood the meaning. When we make a decision, whether it be a change on the forum or banning a member, we will usually explain why the change was made. If it was an insignificant change or if we want to change to otherwise go under the radar, so to speak, we're not going to come out and explain it unless it is necessary. In this case, you guys deserved an explanation, so here we are.

And, addressing your other point Reshin: You are right, this job is completely voluntary. I don't disregard what a member has to say, and I welcome criticism. However, when I have already explained a decision and why it was made, it doesn't help when a member argues continuously. Now, it's obviously not cut and dry, but Midget was the offender in this case and after QuozL commented on Midget's floutation of the rules, Midget argued against it. I felt QuozL was correct in reprimanding Midget for that, and I stepped in and posted to reinforce it. Even after the whole thread issue, I want you guys to realize that he did not get banned because of what happened in that thread. He got banned because after being warned numerous times, he continued to maintain his arrogant attitude toward the staff.		2008-11-29 18:57:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

You misunderstood the meaning. When we make a decision, whether it be a change on the forum or banning a member, we will usually explain why the change was made. If it was an insignificant change or if we want to change to otherwise go under the radar, so to speak, we're not going to come out and explain it unless it is necessary. In this case, you guys deserved an explanation, so here we are.

Oh, I see...

please understand how easily it is to misunderstand what you said

I want to point out that we do not have to provide a reason for our decisions, whether or not the public agrees. I am doing this merely to put it on the record, so to speak, so people don't continue to ask why he was banned.

Your opinion on Mods being controlling and having special treatment still troubles me though...		2008-11-29 19:01:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

So it's more of, "explinations may not necessarily be given, but available upon request "?2008-11-29 19:02:00

Author:
Mark D. Stroyer
Posts: 632

Seems more of a "if we believe you need to know, we'll tell you" sort of thing on first sight.

What Cartman means is that if a small change is made to the forum's structure or whatnot, then there's no real need to trouble the members and inform them about it, but, for example, if somebody is banned, or a bigger change is made, then they'll tell us accordingly.

Everyone is walking along a different wavelength at the moment, and it's pretty easy to see why.

I'd also like to add that you shouldn't have singled out mods as "special", Cartman, although I'm willing to bet it was due to the fire of the moment, and it wasn't a very well thought-out post.
Oh well, back to being indifferent and admiring from afar...		2008-11-29 19:05:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

I'd also like to add that you shouldn't have singled out mods as "special", Cartman, although I'm willing to bet it was due to the fire of the moment, and it wasn't a very well thought-out post.
Maybe not, you're probably right. Midget's attitude was bothersome, to say the least. It was annoying for Midget to say that being a mod isn't that difficult, especially since Midget was making their job difficult in the first place. It was an ignorant thing to say, and that's why I said what I did.		2008-11-29 19:09:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

I'll coin in here, since I stumbled upon this thread.

The Moderators' word is final. Moderators have a hell of a job moderating forums. You can trust that when someone is banned, it's not done without a lot of thought. If users were banned without reason, a forum would quickly burn down in flames - if some moderator goes rogue, the other mods will notice it very quickly and they won't be modding for long. But moderating is a lot of work, and it's the users who need to read the forums rules and abide by them. It's not the moderators job to hold everyone's hand and go through the rules one by one.

This forum is really loosely moderated - users roam pretty freely here and are allowed to spam away. You can rest assured that no ban here is done without good reason, and that you're free to do pretty much anything else than be very annoying, and even that is allowed to some extent. Complaining about too strict moderation on this forum would be ridiculous.		2008-11-29 19:11:00

Author:
Linque
Posts: 607

You know, if you guys wanted an explanation, you should have just asked.

Instead, you decided to call the modship corrupt, and look where that's gotten you. ^^

Just my two cents, as the guy that finally brought down the banhammer. :/		2008-11-29 19:12:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

The LBM Effect

Rule 1. All things connected to LBM will result in an arguement.
Rule 2. ALL THINGS connected to LBM WILL result in an arguement.
Rule 3. It is inevitable.
Rule 4. Deal with it.

DISCLAIMER: written by LBM, that is all		2008-11-29 19:13:00

Author:
Gondito
Posts: 1082

I'll stress out a bit more that moderating forums is a hell of a task. Don't give the mods a hard time - they're working their behind off here giving you a great place to discuss all things LittleBigPlanet. They won't bother you if you just know how to behave even remotely civilized. Being a mod in some other places, I always get a bit agitated when people start criticizing mods for getting rid of some nuisance who doesn't listen to anyone and provided nothing for the community.2008-11-29 19:17:00

Author:
Linque
Posts: 607

You know, if you guys wanted an explanation, you should have just asked.

Instead, you decided to call the modship corrupt, and look where that's gotten you. ^^

Just my two cents, as the guy that finally brought down the banhammer. :/

We shouldn't have to ask for an explanation in the first place.
There should be some sort of formal "banning-post", if you will, where you officially state that this member has been banned and why.
Usually in the very thread that caused the outcome.

I have no idea why I'm even bothering... honestly, I really couldn't care less. xD		2008-11-29 19:20:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

You know, if you guys wanted an explanation, you should have just asked.

Instead, you decided to call the modship corrupt, and look where that's gotten you. ^^

Just my two cents, as the guy that finally brought down the banhammer. :/

Ah we did, I'd like to point you to ex. A


Honestly, I don't think its your place to say whether a decision was too harsh or not. We have our reasons why he was banned.
-by Drunk

and ex. B

I want to point out that we do not have to provide a reason for our decisions, whether or not the public agrees. I am doing this merely to put it on the record, so to speak, so people don't continue to ask why he was banned.
-by CC now debunked as misinterpretation

and ex. C
CC's statement as Mods being special in LBM's gold thread		2008-11-29 19:20:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

There should be some sort of formal "banning-post", if you will, where you officially state that this member has been banned and why.
Usually in the very thread that caused the outcome.

Why? People get banned for not following the rules and behaving badly. It's as simple as that. Why would anyone need any more details? The issue is between the banned user and the mods. There's enough work without making an announcement each time something is done. This is a free forum, run by the moderators, so it's their right to moderate as they see fit without explaining everything to the users. They're not going to start banning people out of the fun of it, would be absurd to think that. Everyone can save their conspiracy theories for governments and multinational companies.		2008-11-29 19:26:00

Author:
Linque
Posts: 607

You guys really want to know?

1) He was a jerk, plain and simple.

2) He was always causing trouble for us mods.

3) He insulted other members.

4) I can name at least 3-4 fights of his I have had to stop.

5) He always argued about any infractions he received.

6) He contributed nothing good to the forums.

There, you have your reasons.		2008-11-29 19:27:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

Alright, this is obviously not going anywhere good, so one final word:


LBM had 5 previous infractions since his previous ban which in itself is reason to be banned.

He had also been banned before for 10 days (and was allowed back on release day) and still failed to follow the rules when he was allowed back. I don't think we should have to justify this to anyone.

Personally if members don't like it, tough. CC has said before and I agree, this isn't a democracy. It is a private site where you choose to be a member. Follow the rules and you won't have a problem; fail to follow them and suffer the consequences of your actions.

I'd like to add that Linque is correct in that we do not moderate this forum very heavily. Since this site began, there have been 19 permanent bans:

alobo200
[Spam]Cradratlyeric
[N/A]Dave
[multi accounting after I banned you once]FunkaySack
[multi account]grimmjow
[We banned you for a reason, you can't just make another account and get off like that. If you make another account, I'll get CC to ban your IP address.]Guitarrassdeamor
[rude behavior and overall disrespect]Gunluis
[Threatening violence against members and profanity]Joigga
[theft]littlebig prominence
[N/A]LittleBigMidget
[You've been a jerk to everyone, we're not going to tolerate you any longer.]LittleBigMidget1
[multi account]MarinoKiller4life
[Spam]MasterAlbert
[Scamming and advertising.]sack
[spam]Smoko
[N/A]StuartDuncan
[troll]Stuff
[you make too much work for my staff]TunaDude09
[Come on. To knock this site.. You don't see me coming there and trying to take away members. I would have been happy to partner up some how, but now forget it. ]werslty2
[Multi accounting; sorry mate, but you've gotta use your original account. If there's a problem, send a PM to ConfusedCartman.]Please don't complain about the way this site is moderated. 19 bans over the course of a year and a half is nothing.		2008-11-29 19:28:00

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