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Exempt Veteran Users From Perma-Bans
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| Well if you're looking for suggestions on how to make the site better that would be mine. It's not just an Inanamacy thing either, but about any other user who has made their presence known on the forum too. The issue I take with permanently banning a veteran or well known and accepted member of a forum, is that you are taking away from the forum itself. Specifically on this forum you have a massive user count, but significantly smaller active user base, and even smaller long time active members. And everyone in that last category either knows each other or is at least aware of everyone else. So to permanently remove one of those members tends to affect a healthy percentage of the remaining user base. And with a forum in this situation, you have to be mindful of what that can lead to, which is migrating to a different forum or multiple users just... leaving. Because that now permanently gone member was their only real reason of staying. Not saying that's what might even happen here, but it's something that happens. (Been on and admined/ modded way too many forums) Going back to permanent bans themselves, I've never seen them as a tool to be used on any real member. I've always felt they should be used against people who just join with the full intention of spamming or as a way to remove bots. Using them on a real member though just tends to give free advertising to wherever they end up joining next or create a bit of friction with everyone who knew that person and the moderation team. Now I'd understand if someone started trying to post something illegal or that would be X-rated, fully knowing this is a "G rated" site (whatever that's supposed to mean on the internet) then giving them the perma-ban, but nothing that extreme really takes place. All of this isn't saying people should be able to do whatever they want, mods need to give timeouts to people who have acted up, but the permanent version of the ban hammer should be reserved for only the most extreme situations. Not because the moderation team gets lazy with a double edged member. So that's my suggestion to help improve the site. No permanent bans for those well known users, reserve that overkill for the bots and spammers. | 2011-03-04 17:29:00 Author: KoingWolf  Posts: 386 |
| That seems unfair. Why should length of membership have anything to do with following rules? From what I hear they do give warnings and it is up to the members to decide how they behave. | 2011-03-04 18:05:00 Author: EinRobot  Posts: 739 |
| That seems unfair. Why should length of membership have anything to do with following rules? From what I hear they do give warnings and it is up to the members to decide how they behave. Fair enough, but remember under my standards you'd qualify as well for exemption, since you are active. I am not saying the ban feature should not apply, but the permanent ban being used on members who have done nothing extreme I take issue with. This forum has three levels of ban from what I've seen. The Silence, the actual ban, and then the permanent ban. | 2011-03-04 18:12:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| I do hear what you are saying KoingWolf. Chances are any person who makes it through the stages of perma ban and completes the game is a person who would add color and interest to a forum. If that person was a long time regular, they probably have contributed to the forum in ways that members appreciate. But... There should be a measure of restraint. Nobody should be able to earn exception from that in any way. I know I have to exercise my diplomacy every day. I passionately run counter to the majority and have many opinions that are best kept off a 13+ age forum. Its on us to choose the appropriate outlet for our various musings. | 2011-03-04 18:38:00 Author: EinRobot Posts: 739 |
| (I have to go to work, sorry for any left behind errors.) See that's the thing though, you have someone who does contribute and does add "color" to the forum, why completely remove that? I get that some members can be a bit hard to handle and require that timeout every now and then to cool them off, but to completely remove them from the forum, only hurts the forum. No one is arguing to return people who are active, but just because they hammer on new members daily, post wildly inappropriate images, and be a general nuisance to everyone. No those people are the kind that should get the boot. But someone who helps contribute should never face that same treatment. In Inan's specific case you have a user who at worst has an issue with moderating himself when posting replies. While at best, you get ponies and everything that was happening with that. I think the benefits of keeping that kind of user around greatly outweigh the week ban you have to give them every other month. So the permanent ban in this case was excessive in my opinion. So again, regular bans are fine for everyone, that's fair. But the permanent ban should not be for everyone. All it does is take away from everyone when not used properly. | 2011-03-04 19:14:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| Um... no, I don't really see why we should make a rule saying that "Veteran" users shouldn't be perma banned. 1. Well, I've been on LBPC longer then everyone else, so I guess the fact that LBPC has gone through so many "popular" users in all that time that all vanished, leaving naught a trace in their wake... But I don't think losing one or two people who are consistently ***** would destroy our culture. 2. That just reeks of elitism, and I know many people say we are elitist... not sure why but apparently we are... but yeah, this just reeks of elitism ;-; 3. If "Veteran" users (however vague a term that may be) are exempt for some reason, then... like... no matter what, they can't be banned? O_o Eh. Guess in the end what I say doesn't matter. All that matters is what CC says. And, knowing CC, there's no way he'd agree to granting "veteran users" exempt status. So really, any further discussion is null, void and useless, so I guess I'll just be removing myself from the argument because I already know what the answer will be :/ | 2011-03-04 21:36:00 Author: RockSauron  Posts: 10882 |
| Every person here, no matter how long they've been around, should be accountable for their own actions. Trivializing forum punishments based on a person's forum activity or join date seems like a terrible idea to me. I'm sure the LBPC moderators don't perma-ban unless it is warranted. | 2011-03-04 21:45:00 Author: Wayward  Posts: 120 |
| I actually have to agree with Rock here.... :C Sort of...... I'm all for Inan's return. He was cool. (Which I also agree that perma banning him was too much) But, what you're saying Koingwolf is basically the exact same thing as celebrities getting away with all kinds of things. Although, veterens usually get a kind of "special treatment", they've been on the forum for some time, sort of how banks reward long time customers. I think the real question here is, "How many times DID Inan get warned?" I believe in free speech and non-censorship, being from America and all, but just how many chances did he get? Also, does Inan even want to come back? I'm sure he's mighty ****** off about this whole thing. If he does than there's a reason to fight for his freedom, if he doesn't, then there's really no point in this battle. I still don't know what he did, I guess I'll just ask him on facebook, but I'm sure a perma-ban was excessive. | 2011-03-04 22:01:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal  Posts: 1799 |
| I disagree to any "veteran status", as Rawk said, thats on the borderline to elitism. An updated perma ban ruling *might* make sense, but if the rules of the site are the rules of the site, and you go against them, whats wrong with the perma ban the way it is? The perm ban already requires 8 points, which requires *two* offences of any sort, during the point's active period. (at the same time as each other) As per current Mod policy. (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=36936-Moderation-Policy-Overhaul) (I've been away, and I dunno what happened to inan.) | 2011-03-04 22:35:00 Author: Fishrock123  Posts: 1578 |
| Honestly, I think exempting veteran users from a deserved perma-ban is a bad idea because what's stopping the person from going back to being a nuisance all over again. Especially those who are really trolls in disguise but people are blind to see that. Rarely do you see someone who has been silenced or banned turn goody-goody and obey the rules when they are allowed back. I've seen a few that are back and they're acting just fine now. Why I remember back when I first joined. Everywhere I looked there were facepalm posts, sarcastic posts, 4chan posts (even though some are funny) and people who just didn't care about what they were saying that would hurt the other's feelings. The site actually got out of control at a time and the end result was this thread below: https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=36936-Moderation-Policy-Overhaul After that, the site cooled down and became a little more friendly only with a tight grip thanks to the mods. My point is, rules are meant to be followed. Those who choose to defy the rules are warned and/or banned for good. When things seem a little unfair, it just means you either forget about it or move to another place. I forgot who said this quote but, I remember one person saying "Think before you post". Wise words. | 2011-03-04 22:35:00 Author: siberian_ninja15  Posts: 444 |
| If he becomes a nuisance again, THEN there is a final reason for the perma ban. | 2011-03-04 22:48:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| I've found this site to be a little bit... cruel ever since that overhaul. I've haven't liked the handling of bans and silences here, and probably never will. From what I've seen, bans and silences only lead up to another burst of humor, head-banging, harsh words, or, as many will call it, spam. I'm more for the individually talking to the person, telling he/she what they did, and telling he/she to stop. Sure, it doesn't work all the time, but I believe it's a better approach, if it isn't already in use. I've seen far, far too many good-natured, kind members who have gotten silenced and/or banned. It's true that some of them may have a more raw sense of humor, state the truth more harsh, or "spam" every once in a while. The number of those kind, good-natured members that have been banned or silenced in the past should be zero, in my opinion. This place has become very drama-centered in the past 6 month's I've been here. The thing that stands out to me is not that people make a big stir about "something so-and-so said", but instead it's about "so-and-so got banned or silenced". I see fault all around and believe there needs to be some modification. I don't think it should be based on "Veteran Status" per se, but when you see a member with 100's of posts, rep bars galore, and friends all around, don't you think that gives a little hint that the member is liked by the community, has made some impact in it, and is just a good person by definition? I do. Those are the first things I'd look at if I had the job of handing out silences and bans. | 2011-03-04 23:17:00 Author: piggabling  Posts: 2979 |
| Message from Inanimacy himself: "Oh gawd, what have I done?! D: " | 2011-03-04 23:59:00 Author: Weretigr  Posts: 2105 |
| Koing and Pigg are the only ones with sense in this thread. | 2011-03-05 00:03:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Tell him: "You are going to pull a supreme court turnover!!!" http://media.kotaku.com.au/wp//2010/10/phoenix-wright-objection.jpg I still stand by my post up above and I agree with Piggabling. | 2011-03-05 00:08:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| I've seen forums where veteran members keep getting one more chance, they behave for a few months then return to normal and get permabanned until the next time they convince the mods they've changed their ways. | 2011-03-05 00:15:00 Author: Rabid-Coot  Posts: 6728 |
| Inamacys gone!? Oh Jeese! Ive actually never known a person whos ever been this known to be permabanned! I agree he can have a difference sense of humor, but perma banning seems to be just a little much. However, I wasnt here to witness what Inamacy did to get himself that bad of a punishment, but I do have to agree with Rawk and say that Exempting Veteran users from bans is unfair to the newer members of the community, and should never, ever take place. Assuming the little dot beside his online status means he's made a generous donation to this community, I really feel bad for him, even not knowing of what he actually did. Even the max Non permanent ban time would have been more reasonable then taking forum acsess away from him forever. Oh well, Im sure the Moderators made their decision with only the best in their mind, and gave Inan the punishment he deserved. Doesnt make much sense to protest to remove a permanent ban that they just put in place. Maybe we will just wait and see if he comes back some day  | 2011-03-05 00:19:00 Author: grayspence  Posts: 1990 |
| I've seen forums where veteran members keep getting one more chance, they behave for a few months then return to normal and get permabanned until the next time they convince the mods they've changed their ways. WOAH THERE!!! I never said he would get multiple chances. Just one last chance. If he screws it up. THEN he is screwed. | 2011-03-05 00:27:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| Koing and Pigg are the only ones with sense in this thread. That is the best argument for not punishing "Veteran" users I have ever seen. ... I mean. Really. Give me one reason why veteran users should be exempt from punishment? >_> WOAH THERE!!! I never said he would get multiple chances. Just one last chance. If he screws it up. THEN he is screwed. And how many seconds chances would you wager to say he's already had, hm? | 2011-03-05 00:28:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882 |
| And how many seconds chances would you wager to say he's already had, hm? I don't know. How many times has he been perma-banned? | 2011-03-05 00:33:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| And how many seconds chances would you wager to say he's already had, hm? One. Any more than that wouldnt be a second chance :l -inan laugh- | 2011-03-05 00:34:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| WOAH THERE!!! I never said he would get multiple chances. Just one last chance. If he screws it up. THEN he is screwed. It's one last chance now then someone else decides they should be given one more chance the next time. People always want the people they like to be around. | 2011-03-05 00:37:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728 |
| umm.. yea, i don't think "Veterans" should receive an exemption from perma-bans. I think if they've been around the site long enough.. then i'm sure by now they hav a feel of what's appropriate and what's not.. and after multiple warnings and "soft bans??" ( i don't know the terms) if they STILL choose to venture in such a way that could get them banned then well.... I guess it speaks for itself. Besides i'm sure the perma-ban would of been used as a last resort.. btw, I'm speaking on general terms.. this isn't aimed at any one person. | 2011-03-05 00:46:00 Author: Brixx101  Posts: 277 |
| It's one last chance now then someone else decides they should be given one more chance the next time. People always want the people they like to be around. That's only a one-sided view though. There's a difference between someone that just started an account then got banned and someone that's been on here for some time. And liking someone as a friend is really the only reason why someone would want someone back. That or the way they "ran things". Though, I'm not sure what qualifies someone as a veteran on this site.... Is it length, exp, activity, how much they've contributed to the community, or all of the above? (Not looking for a vague answer) Hmm... now that I think about it. Did Inan ever actually post any useful information pertaining to LBP? I haven't been on LBPC that long, so I'm not sure. | 2011-03-05 00:52:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| Well if you're looking for suggestions on how to make the site better that would be mine. It's not just an Inanamacy thing either, but about any other user who has made their presence known on the forum too. The issue I take with permanently banning a veteran or well known and accepted member of a forum, is that you are taking away from the forum itself. I disagree with that. It's not always taking away from the site if that person's behaviour has become detrimental to other members. Not speaking specifically about Inan here, but anyone who has been permabanned in the past. It is not done lightly. Going back to permanent bans themselves, I've never seen them as a tool to be used on any real member. I've always felt they should be used against people who just join with the full intention of spamming or as a way to remove bots. Using them on a real member though just tends to give free advertising to wherever they end up joining next or create a bit of friction with everyone who knew that person and the moderation team. Sometimes friction does happen as a result, but there's more friction because of trolling or inappropriate behaviour, and even more on top of that when those who have a responsibility to act on trolling (mods) are seen to be doing nothing. Some 'real members' who have been extremely aggressive and disrespectful have been removed quite silently and painlessly to the general membership - with no advertising whatsoever. All of this isn't saying people should be able to do whatever they want, mods need to give timeouts to people who have acted up, but the permanent version of the ban hammer should be reserved for only the most extreme situations. Not because the moderation team gets lazy with a double edged member. Clearly you have no idea whatsoever as to what goes into moderating - nor the amount of reported posts we get on a regular basis. Banning is never done in laziness and if there's no ultimate penalty for consistently bad behaviour, then what's the deterrent for it? There is none. If people keep repeatedly breaking rules despite silencings and temp bans and refuse to reform, then they do not have the site's best interests at heart. Clearly. Honestly, I think exempting veteran users from a deserved perma-ban is a bad idea because what's stopping the person from going back to being a nuisance all over again.... Exactly... And we have had several people who have returned from temp-bands and have reformed and become assets to the site. It's totally possible. One sets of rules for everybody. Including staff. I agree with Rock that 'veteran' status is elitist. The site actually got out of control at a time and the end result was this thread below: https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=36936-Moderation-Policy-Overhaul After that, the site cooled down and became a little more friendly only with a tight grip thanks to the mods. My point is, rules are meant to be followed. Those who choose to defy the rules are warned and/or banned for good. When things seem a little unfair, it just means you either forget about it or move to another place. I forgot who said this quote but, I remember one person saying "Think before you post". Wise words. Well put. Every person here, no matter how long they've been around, should be accountable for their own actions. Trivializing forum punishments based on a person's forum activity or join date seems like a terrible idea to me. I'm sure the LBPC moderators don't perma-ban unless it is warranted. Perma-bans are always discussed (at length, usually) and carefully thought out - and the bannee is given AMPLE warning. And yes, everyone has to be held responsible for their own actions. Consequences are not always pleasant and sometimes we lose out (like in Inan's case where he will be missed  ) BUT consequences are inevtiable. That's life. | 2011-03-05 01:32:00 Author: BabyDoll1970  Posts: 1567 |
| That is the best argument for not punishing "Veteran" users I have ever seen. ... I mean. Really. Give me one reason why veteran users should be exempt from punishment? >_> ... But no one is saying any "veteran" (which I never knew how much of a buzz word that was around here, assumed everyone knew what I meant it to be, which is, any active user with posts and reputation) user is exempt from punishment. Just that the permanent banning of such a member is a little too extreme of an action. I've sent a message to CC, asking him kindly to reply to this thread. So we will hopefully get a final word, whatever that may be. | 2011-03-05 01:34:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| Hmm... now that I think about it. Did Inan ever actually post any useful information pertaining to LBP? I haven't been on LBPC that long, so I'm not sure. You don't have to have a reputation for posting 'useful information' pertaining to LBP to be a valued member of the forums. Anyways, I do think mods should be a leeeetle bit more tolerant towards members who have made an impact on the community - HOWEVER, those members should in no way be impervious to a permanent ban, or any kind of ban for that matter. In my opinion, and mine only, I think the perma-ban for Inanimacy was just a little too far, BUT I don't know the whole story, or what's been happening between him and the mods for the past few months, so I can't say much. I do know that the mods must have had their reasons, so I respect their decision. (EDIT: eek, double sniped) | 2011-03-05 01:46:00 Author: TheZimInvader  Posts: 3149 |
| Clearly you have no idea whatsoever as to what goes into moderating.... ...Consequences are not always pleasant and sometimes we lose out .... I'm slightly.. irked (honestly offended and enraged would be the better choice of words) At your last reply to what I said. You have no idea who I am, or what I have done in the past. So, clearly, you cannot speak as to what I may or may not know. What I said wasn't meant to offend, so I apologize for any offense you may have taken, but the knee-jerk reaction is entirely uncalled for, thank you very much. As for the end of your post (just got home from a long day, got more things to do for now, will reply to the rest in detail later), my reply to it is simple. You don't have to lose out. This isn't a nation. This isn't a court of law. This isn't a place that requires precise, concrete procedures to be followed, or else. It's an internet forum. It's an internet forum for a video game. Rules can be bent and of course tweaked to suit specific situations. Nothing like this is inevitable, it is wholly a decision made by the moderation staff to take the loss, it's not something set in stone, where you will be sued or something if you do not follow it. So it could have been easily prevented, in this specific situation. | 2011-03-05 01:49:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| I think this idea should be extended out into the wide world. I think all people should be classified based on how useful they are to society. Then, once we have a system in place for ranking people, I think we should allow those who are deemed to be more useful to society as a whole to be given complete lenience of existing laws and expectations. Those who are useful are clearly better people, and should be treated accordingly. It just wouldn't be fair any other way. Oh wait... | 2011-03-05 01:51:00 Author: comphermc  Posts: 5338 |
| While it's pretty obvious the mods have there reasons, and I assume good one's at that. I'll just say this. Some people here seem to be taking KoingWolf's original post a bit too literally. Koing, seems veteran wasn't the best choice of words  No where (apart from the title which doesn't count) did Koing say that "veteran" users (aka any member that contributes in whatever way) should be completely exempt from permanent bans.Now I'd understand if someone started trying to post something illegal or that would be X-rated, fully knowing this is a "G rated" site (whatever that's supposed to mean on the internet) then giving them the perma-ban, but nothing that extreme really takes place. I've always felt they should be used against people who just join with the full intention of spamming or as a way to remove bots. | 2011-03-05 02:24:00 Author: SR20DETDOG  Posts: 2431 |
| ex?empt –verb (used with object) 1. to free from an obligation or liability to which others are subject; release: to exempt a student from an examination. vet?er?an –noun 1. a person who has had long service or experience in an occupation, office, or the like: a veteran of the police force; a veteran of many sports competitions. per?ma?nent –adjective 1. existing perpetually; everlasting, especially without significant change. ban –verb (used with object) 1. to prohibit, forbid, or bar; interdict: to ban nuclear weapons; the dictator banned all newspapers and books that criticized his regime. ---- You're right, I think it could have gone another direction. Put simply, if a person uses words that can only be interpreted in one way, then they are bound to be interpreted in that way. I don't even have to go any further than the thread title. | 2011-03-05 02:38:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| I think this idea should be extended out into the wide world. I think all people should be classified based on how useful they are to society. Then, once we have a system in place for ranking people, I think we should allow those who are deemed to be more useful to society as a whole to be given complete lenience of existing laws and expectations. Those who are useful are clearly better people, and should be treated accordingly. It just wouldn't be fair any other way. Oh wait... Yes guys, LBPC is not a monarchy. I think maybe a lil more tolerance should be given... but I still think that anyone should be able to be banned... I mean sure maybe they're popular or something but still, what if that person was some troll who in a devious 3 year plot waited until immunity, and then destroyed LBPC with spam and nasty nasty stuff? Exactly my point. | 2011-03-05 02:38:00 Author: Fang  Posts: 578 |
| ... Oh wait... Oh wait, everything you said doesn't apply, because this isn't real life or a system that should be taken even close to as serious as you make it out to be?  Back to BD, But it sometimes is taking away, which I feel like it is in this case. If you do not, that is fine. I also do not question such a harsh punishment was not taken lightly. Right, but users who do become "extremely aggressive and disrespectful" are a different subject. If it really comes down to it, ban them for weeks, if they come back and do the exact same thing the day they are back, just perma ban and wash your hands of such users. The reason I think (emphasize think in this situation, only been here 2 months) users are reacting so strongly to inan's permanent ban is because he did not fit into this category. Category of just problem user. Instead he contributed quite a lot to LBPC, that should have been taken into full account. Just give him the ban if whatever he had done was so bad, then let him come back to continue, as I have said before, contribute the couple months worth of premium content, before another stumble.. it's just a silly cycle that comes with a user like that. The trade off of having to ban every now and again is completely worth it in my opinion. / Again, veteran was not meant to be used as such a buzz word to stir up so many people.. Your opinion of fair is set though, so no use in arguing that further. Last part is always replied to above. | 2011-03-05 02:41:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| Shouldn't "veteran" members know better? I certainly censor myself (like right now), as I enjoy these forums. | 2011-03-05 02:44:00 Author: midnight_heist  Posts: 2513 |
| First off, apologizes for the double post. Second, ... ---- You're right, I think it could have gone another direction. Put simply, if a person uses words that can only be interpreted in one way, then they are bound to be interpreted in that way. I don't even have to go any further than the thread title. Hey, but if you read beyond the thread title, you find something to the complete opposite of your baseless and uninformed opinion on the actual subject at hand. Just like many (to use your theme) books have a title that is vastly different from the subject matter. You have to read the actual content, before making any and all assumptions. Or at least some of it. Third, .... I mean sure maybe they're popular or something but still, what if that person was some troll who in a devious 3 year plot waited until immunity, and then destroyed LBPC with spam and nasty nasty stuff? ... Again, I in no way said that would ever be the case or that users who achieve some type of status, are now exempt from punishments. | 2011-03-05 02:48:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| ex?empt –verb (used with object) 1. to free from an obligation or liability to which others are subject; release: to exempt a student from an examination. etc... Really? That's not necessary. It was some poor word choice. As I said the thread title shouldn't count, it's very hard to some up your whole statement in a few words, it's just there for advertising really. It's not hard, however, to look past these words and understand what is really meant if you (not you specifically) read the whole thing. | 2011-03-05 03:00:00 Author: SR20DETDOG Posts: 2431 |
| Hey, but if you read beyond the thread title, you find something to the complete opposite of your baseless and uninformed opinion on the actual subject at hand. Mate, I read the post, and you seem to be making quite a few assumptions about what I've read and where my personal experience with the issue lies. I was a moderator here for over a year and know first hand what goes on behind the curtain. In reading the post, you seem to believe that permanent bans are ineffective means of handling contributing members of the site. This is where you are wrong. The purpose of a permanent ban is not to cast, form, or mold the offending individual. Site infractions, preventing members from posting (read: silencing), and temporary bans are the tools for that intent. Sadly, this was a case where all of these measures proved to be ineffective, and thus had been foregone. Rather, the permanent ban was done as a reprieve for those on the staff who have to spend all of their [volunteered, unpaid] time chasing around the posts of an offending member. Frankly, the staff couldn't care less as to how a permanently banned member decides to spend their internet time, but one truth is important: this person is no longer a concern on this site. As for your arguments of it dividing the community... no. Just no. The community has divided itself long before any of this fabricated drama came about. It is human nature to form bonds and cliques. This was not an issue of site staff driving a stake through the community; rather, it's a situation where the site staff were the stake that was driven through the community. They do not choose to punish members for violating sitewide rules, they merely enforce the rules as reactionary beings. They don't wake up every morning with the intent of going on the offensive. No, this was a situation where an individual made a series of decisions that led to a set of natural consequences. Hell, Inanimacy has come to terms with all of this being the direct of his own actions. That in and of itself is commendable. Regardless, the decisions stands, and I agree with it. Do you still think I don't understand? | 2011-03-05 03:04:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| I'm slightly.. irked (honestly offended and enraged would be the better choice of words) At your last reply to what I said. You have no idea who I am, or what I have done in the past. So, clearly, you cannot speak as to what I may or may not know. What I said wasn't meant to offend, so I apologize for any offense you may have taken, but the knee-jerk reaction is entirely uncalled for, thank you very much. You're right, I don't know you or what you've done, but my reaction was hardly knee-jerk. It was in response to your assumption that we ban out of laziness or on a whim. By the same token, you don't know who WE are or what we do behind the scenes here at LBPC specifically, or how many chances potential bannees are given time and time and TIME again, as well as encouragement and support where needed. So feel free to be offended at what you perceive as a gross assumption, but allow others that same privilege when you do the same. You don't have to lose out. This isn't a nation. This isn't a court of law. This isn't a place that requires precise, concrete procedures to be followed, or else. It's an internet forum. It's an internet forum for a video game. Rules can be bent and of course tweaked to suit specific situations. Nothing like this is inevitable, it is wholly a decision made by the moderation staff to take the loss, it's not something set in stone, where you will be sued or something if you do not follow it. So it could have been easily prevented, in this specific situation. Yes, I realise this is a game forum, but again, you don't know the circumstances surrounding each situation. Eventually, when someone has been told explicitly - after repeated infractions and bannings - that you are on your "last chance" (which is what happens before people are banned, except under extreme circumstances), you have to be willing to carry it through or those people will push the boundaries time and time again knowing you won't act on your threat or warning. And you wind up back where you started - in chaos with no real way of enforcing any rules because people know you're going to give them endless chances regardless. Much as it would be nice, you can't save people's necks just because they're nice people. If we want all forum members to abide by the rules, then we have to enforce those rules, even on the popular. I'm sorry for those who don't agree, and you are all well within your rights to feel that way. I have no problem with you personally, KoingWolf, or your perspective, other than those assumptions that you make about how the staff do (or don't do) their jobs. And yes, the situation could have been avoided, IF our warnings and pleadings had been heeded. But they weren't. P.S. Just regarding your comments about nothing extreme happening here at LBPC... There's enough bad stuff/people that come through our doors here (including some full-blown porn!), so never assume that because members don't see it it doesn't exist. If you don't see it it's because the staff are doing their job to keep the site family friendly, which means a place anyone can come to without fear of seeing things that are overtly offensive or where they are not afraid to frequent the forums for fear of being ridiculed/trolled, etc. And that has happened plenty here in the past, which is the main reason we overhauled the moderation in the first place. It was based on feedback from the community. | 2011-03-05 03:18:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| I truly understand that friends of Inanimacy are sad that he's been banned. He's entertained plenty of people here with his antics. However, as usual, the focus is on this one person. That's exactly how he always preferred it. Some who are new here may not realize that his kind of behavior is why scores of others are no longer here. I've spoken to plenty of people who said they've had it with his and others' behavior, and it has become intolerable for some. Lots of them prefer to stay in private groups, away from the mainstream so they can steer clear of the absurdity. Others just go away. He - and only he - is responsible for this predicament. The mods have handled him fair and very humanely...even in pony standards. | 2011-03-05 03:22:00 Author: TheCountessZ  Posts: 537 |
| *Hits the pause time button on the D-Pad* Alright, before going further, let me just say a couple words. This thread should in no way stir up animosity between users and especially between users and mods. There should be no reason everyone is taking each other so painfully serious and absolutely literal. It has seemingly gotten worse than political threads in the General Section, and that's saying a lot. For instance, compher, dude (duuuuude...), I love your levels so hard. You're an awesome creator, one of the best on the game, and this back and forth feels out of hand. As I just joked with Rotten(Avacado) just now, I'm seeing these replies and just going.. "I've.. I've angered God! D:" Not that I hold you in that creepy of a standard, but hopefully you get what I mean..? :S So the idea is apparently a hot button, I understand that now, but lets all stay civil, kay? This is the site feedback right, where I can share an opinion, right? *Continues time* ... I've made no such assumptions. I was just left with what I had, which as you going off on the term "veteran" and "exempt," without anything relating to the actual context. To reply specifically, a moderator shouldn't take the job of being a moderator, if they are not prepared to deal with "that one user." I do understand everything that stressed you as part of that job, but you must come into situations with a fresh head. Never coming and going.. oh enough of this, and passing a motion to permanently ban someone. Inan might not be a "concern on this site" anymore, to use him as a specific example, but at the same time you are losing a lot. A little too much in this case. He might have been a headache for the moderating staff, but part of being a mod is having headaches, is it not? And (if this is even directed toward my OP) I never said this was a case of mods going against the community or any of that, to be blunt, revolutionary talk. Never even really considered that, because I completely see the other side and that entire view point. I just happened to disagree with it. ...You're right, I don't know you or what you've done, but my reaction was hardly knee-jerk. It was in response to your assumption that we ban out of laziness or on a whim. By the same token, you don't know who WE are or what we do behind the scenes here at LBPC specifically, or how many chances potential bannees are given time and time and TIME again, as well as encouragement and support where needed. So feel free to be offended at what you perceive as a gross assumption, but allow others that same privilege when you do the same Except.. I never said that. Or even meant it. At all, whatsoever. Which is why I so strongly apologize if you or any of the rest of the staff takes it that way. If I even thought that, why would I waste time writing such an argument and articulating my views, when I could just go "lulz, mods lazy, they sux." Or something idiotic like that. If you or anyone else took offense, just say so, instead of firing back with an insult of your own. Like I've already said, this is all opinion sharing.. right? ;_; | 2011-03-05 03:27:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| Hell, Inanimacy has come to terms with all of this being the direct of his own actions. Well... bummer... I can't argue for something that's now pointless to argue about... Using reasoning, think of it this way. Inan has had many times to change. Think of the last ban he ever got as a perma ban, then he came back from that perma ban. Now he has made his decisions (Which he has come to terms with) and the last thing the mods could do was perma ban him. :C The only reasons for arguing now are: 1. To argue. 2. The thing that finally got Inan exiled wasn't a good cause for perma-ban. 3. Someone's lying. or 4. Trying to get a compromise. I'm all for Inan's return, he was kewl, funny, and will be missed. But the only thing he can do now is communicate through other sites. | 2011-03-05 03:39:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| ...Not because the moderation team gets lazy with a double edged member. So you can see why it came across that way. If that's not what you meant, that's cool and apology accepted. I apologise for taking you on over it if it was indeed a simple case of misinterpretation. | 2011-03-05 03:42:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| There's so much drama in LBPC now these days... if there wasn't enough already. Now, being registered since the beginning '09, I believe I have somewhat of a say when it comes to veteran peeps. Personally, I don't believe they should be exempt from being perma-banned (everyone should recieve equal treatment, no matter how many days or months or years they've been on here). I mean, they've obviously know about these bans and what would happen if they got too many, so they behaved themselves, hence why they're still around. But I do believe that perma-banning isn't exactly the right way to go about problems. As you can see, this perma-ban in particular caused quite an uproar from the more active side of the community, which resulted in this thread (which made even more drama... like we really need more). Now, in some cases like hybrid-leader, someone who was here as long as Inan was, and as active, people didn't seem to mind much. I personally thought it was somewhat sad, but what can you do? He violated the rules (even though I still have no idea what he did to do that). But the difference between that guy and this current situation is that, though having the same seniority (if not more), he wasn't that dramatized over. They both did near identical tendencies (lolcats, ponies) and both had their "good" and "bad" streaks... but the reaction is nearly opposite. We didn't seem to stage a political-esqe arguement to exempt veteran users from perma-bans when he got kicked out. That aside, I feel that, though Inan had been banned several times before and got many upon many warnings (I think...), there should be one more loooong ban before issuing the perma. Why not put him on ban for 6-10 months (or even a year)? That would give him enough time to either a.) actually make a change, or b.) find somewhere else to post. He already found LittleBigPlanetarium to terrorize, and he's quite active on Facebook. Provided that he even remembers LBPC once 6-8 months are up, I don't think there should be a problem. Personally, I would wanna behave myself after being gone for half a year or more. Then again, this isn't up to me. This is up to the mods and ConfusedCartman himself to ultimately decide on. | 2011-03-05 03:47:00 Author: Outlaw-Jack  Posts: 5757 |
| Guess you can't be a valuable member of LBPC and make jokes, you get permabanned. The drama started after the policy overhaul, not before. | 2011-03-05 04:41:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Well, I'm not going to say much about Inan, or the shocking amounts of passive-aggressiveness and hypocrisy in this thread... but I do have a few contentions. 1. As it's been touched upon before, the MAIN problem with this is, where is the line drawn? What is considered 'veteran' or 'contributory'? There's an entire field of gray areas here, in my opinion, too many gray areas to go about this smoothly. 2. There is really no need for this. I've high suspicions this thread was not merely created from a simple suggestive thought but rather that this is just a thread asking for a change in the rules because a particular member got the wrong end of internet moderation. I don't care what your opinions are; this really shouldn't be this heated. 3. Again, touched upon before; not all veteran users are golden glory. I've seen some less-than-unsightly ones (or more unfortunately, shining apples slowly corroded into former husk of themselves) and I myself just sit around and nod when people talk to me. As Outlaw said... Would you guys have had done this if I or some other less prominent user had gotten perma-banned after a bad day or something along those lines (not trying to imply that was Inan's excuse, it's just for the sake of the argument.) What do I suggest? Let's pick ourselves up, give ourselves a few slaps in the face, smile, and move on. I'm pretty sure Inan would have posted a Drama Pony Macro after the first 5 posts. | 2011-03-05 04:51:00 Author: Astrosimi  Posts: 2046 |
| .... 2. There is really no need for this. I've high suspicions this thread was not merely created from a simple suggestive thought but rather that this is just a thread asking for a change in the rules because a particular member got the wrong end of internet moderation. I don't care what your opinions are; this really shouldn't be this heated. ... Yes, it was created because of a specific situation that took place. The end hope for me is of course that inan's ban is significantly reduced, but I also made the thread because I wanted to share my opinion on the whole subject of permanent banning, with at least a consideration being made to changing how it is used. I in no way ever intended it to become what it did, as I've already said. And, yet again, apologize to anyone who took offense to any of it. The last thing I want coming back from busting my *** at work is drama on an internet forum. So why would I start that? Edit: That is to explicitly state my intentions, if I have not done so yet. Reduce inans ban and discuss permanent banning of active members. | 2011-03-05 05:06:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| Guys, Inanimacy wanted someone to post this here. This is straight from the horse's ...erm... I mean pony's mouth: Okay, first off I'd like to say that I am flattered that people are concerned that I was perma'd. I don't want to sound like an air head and say "lawl leik I tota...lly saw this comin' -smacks gum and twirls hair-" because to be honest, I didn't. I know I have some people that like me, but guys, y'all are really just making too much of a fuss over this! Again, I'm flattered, but, this isn't going to happen. As much as I'd love for the ban to be shortened to a year or whatever, it's NOT going to happen. I broke the rules and the mods decided my consequence, I brought this upon myself, no matter how much it stings to say that, I truly did. Mods gotta do what mods gotta do~ Well anyway, it's been real LBPC, but I needed to repay my debt to LBPC for all the wonderful things it's done for me. -Inan http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/317/0/6/serious_pinky_pie_by_dune_cat-d32riea.jpg | 2011-03-05 05:21:00 Author: xkappax  Posts: 2569 |
| Yes, it was created because of a specific situation that took place. The end hope for me is of course that inan's ban is significantly reduced, but I also made the thread because I wanted to share my opinion on the whole subject of permanent banning, with at least a consideration being made to changing how it is used. I in no way ever intended it to become what it did, as I've already said. And, yet again, apologize to anyone who took offense to any of it. The last thing I want coming back from busting my *** at work is drama on an internet forum. So why would I start that? Edit: That is to explicitly state my intentions, if I have not done so yet. Reduce inans ban and discuss permanent banning of active members. Well worded. Nonetheless, my points still stand and yours do too, I bet. It's definitely a complicated issue... Which is why I think I'll keep my distance. I hope this can come to a respectable resolution. On the issue of Inan... I was actually quite content with his behavior after the eclipse incident, which I still felt was undeserved on our part. But after that, he actually maintained a more controlled composure, even if he did go out of his way at times to post macros and yell out "U MAD" or sometimes pick a few fights. But even if he was a bit on the rough side, he was still an amicable figure. I will admit, the Ponies thread was the most fun I've had on these forums in a bit. I'd actually started to warm up to him Use that opinion as you will to guide your arguments. I've already said more than is responsibly considerate on the subject. EDIT: Whoah. Mega-ninja'd. Well, that's pretty much it, then? | 2011-03-05 05:25:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046 |
| ... EDIT: Whoah. Mega-ninja'd. Well, that's pretty much it, then? Pretty much.. Until final word from CC, which I can only assume will not be reversing any decision. There's no point in continuing any real arguments. | 2011-03-05 05:33:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| After reading all the posts in this thread I somewhat agree with both sides. One suggestion I'd like to make, and this is only a suggestion so take it as it is. Inanimacy was pretty well known on LBPC. Hell, almost everyone knew him after a few days on the site. But why isn't the community ever allowed to know what happened to him? Why are we left in the dark when one of the most known members has essentially "vanished" from the site. This has been one of the biggest problems I have had with this site, since I joined, become a mod, and then resigned. It's unfair to the community as a whole to have no idea whatsoever as to what has happened with a very good friend to most of us. And hear me out, I don't mean every single member that is perma'd. But people like Inan, who are well known and are missed dearly. I mean honestly? Half of the people in this thread had no idea why or even the fact that he was perma'd. Don't we deserve to know how many times he was warned, why he was banned and all that good(bad) stuff? If it wasn't for Facebook, AIM or MSN, NONE of us would've known what had happened to him. I sometimes feel as though the moderators = the government. And we the members = the citizens. And when a conspiracy is unraveled citizens slowly start vanishing and we are left in the dark, wondering what happened to Tom, Mark, and Susie? They were all here just an hour ago, and now they are gone and we are told absolutely nothing. Or better yet, an example; Members = Where did Inanimacy go? Moderators = Inanimacy? Never heard of him. | 2011-03-05 07:41:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino  Posts: 5250 |
| Whale, inan got banned because he corrected someone and the mods raged. | 2011-03-05 07:50:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Whale, inan got banned because he corrected someone and the mods raged. Yeah I know. I'm just speaking in general, I found out through FB. | 2011-03-05 07:54:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250 |
| Well the way I've always approached disclosing why someone was infracted/silenced/banned is it's really a personal matter. If whoever received the infraction/ban wants to share why that's up to them. I mean would any of you want a laundry list of the "bad" stuff you did put out there for the whole community? I know I wouldn't. If inanimacy wants to talk about it, he'll talk about it. As far as I'm concerned it's his private business and I will not be discussing it in public. | 2011-03-05 07:58:00 Author: Morgana25  Posts: 5983 |
| Well the way I've always approached disclosing why someone was infracted/silenced/banned is it's really a personal matter. If whoever received the infraction/ban wants to share why that's up to them. I mean would any of you want a laundry list of the "bad" stuff you did put out there for the whole community? I know I wouldn't. If inanimacy wants to talk about it, he'll talk about it. As far as I'm concerned it's his private business and I will not be discussing it in public. But how can he talk about it if he's permabanned? -_- I mean if he's told us on Facebook I'd assume he would want to tell everyone on LBPC as well. | 2011-03-05 08:10:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250 |
| He's been passing messages over. He could say on fb if he wanted. My point is though, I don't think it's appropriate to lay bare whatever it was he did. It's his private info and not our place to share it. | 2011-03-05 08:13:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983 |
| I know I'm new to this forum, but I expect to be treated equally in both my views and opinions. Your idea of exempting high-status users from law is a blatant form of Dictatorship. If your country's leader murdered fourty people with their bare hands should they go free? The answer is no. Law is sometimes a disturbing thing, because it's interpreted by humans. Humans will always have bias in their opinions and it's their job to remove this when dealing with punishment. While I didn't know the user that was banned, I still feel it necessary that law is upheld by ALL members. Including Staff, veterans, and regulars. | 2011-03-05 08:42:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| Um...what? Inanimacy got banned? What for? For publically celebrating his pony love? Inan has been relentlessly trolling and winding people up the entire time he's been here, so what has he said now that's any more provokative than anything else he's ever said? We all know what he's like, we're used to it by now and we all love him for his mischief anyways. Although I'll be glad to hear no more bollocks about those darned ponies with their bright colours and sparkly hair, I think that permanently banning the guy seems extreme. Maybe we should start a "save the troll" campaign. | 2011-03-05 12:55:00 Author: Ungreth  Posts: 2130 |
| Don't we deserve to know how many times he was warned, why he was banned and all that good(bad) stuff? All you need to do is look under his LBPC XP tab: -230 points worth of infractions. I don't think I could top that if I posted pictures of necrophilia on every moderator's profile. For the ban to be permanent he must have gathered the last load of points in a very short time. Is it really a mystery? It had little to do with ponies and nothing to do with the mods "raging"... Inan has given members a hard time ever since his arrival at LBPCentral. What's funny to some isn't funny to others. As he said himself, he broke the rules. Now, let's be honest, is this thread really what it claims to be? It's just a "bring Inan back thread", provoked by a situation that many people don't like or understand. I can think of past members who are just as veteran as it gets. Nobody complained when they were banned. When veteran status starts to mean exemption from being banned, it starts to mean a ticket to do whatever you want. Even if it could work, there's no perfect way to go about doing it. Whatever 'veteran' means comes down to personal interpretation, which shouldn't be a factor in whether or not to ban somebody. Or, we could put a little 'veteran' emblem next to certain usernames, if we wanted to divide the community. Inan's not coming back, but he and his friends can frolic on little big planetarium all they likes while LBPC doesn't have him harassing users. Win/win? | 2011-03-05 17:24:00 Author: Incinerator22  Posts: 3251 |
| ... Now, let's be honest, is this thread really what it claims to be? ... Again, I tell no tales as to my intentions. "Reduce inans ban and discuss permanent banning of active members." I liked Inan, to see him go in such a fashion and to see it be permanent was the spark for this thread, but it was also created as a means to hopefully discuss the.. necessity of such a hard punishment against anyone other than bots, ridiculously inappropriate posters, or straight spammers. | 2011-03-05 17:44:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| i found inamincy to be rude, eragent and above the law. im glad hes banned, my opinion, im not trolling just because hes used this site for a while, shudent mean he gets easier pardons, thats just unfair | 2011-03-05 18:37:00 Author: Distinct-Creator  Posts: 198 |
| Again, I tell no tales as to my intentions. "Reduce inans ban and discuss permanent banning of active members." I liked Inan, to see him go in such a fashion and to see it be permanent was the spark for this thread, but it was also created as a means to hopefully discuss the.. necessity of such a hard punishment against anyone other than bots, ridiculously inappropriate posters, or straight spammers. I can understand your intentions, especially since you are new here and don't know the whole story. Not saying that I know everything either, but as a long time active member here I've unfortunately been a witness to several of Inan's infractions. Well.. sorry to say this, but at times Inan was a ridiculously inappropriate poster and straight out spammer/troll. The mods are trying to be nice and professional by not mentioning all of what he has done and I don't blame them. What's really sad is that quite a few of those -230 infraction points were at the direct expense of others that don't visit here anymore because of his actions. Inan crossed the line a number of times and on a few occasions it was not pretty nor funny at all. It is true quite a few grew to like him, but he was a self admitted troll and on more than one occasion boasted of his playing LBPC and its infraction system like some would play a game. The rules are plain common sense and the mods bend over backwards with 2nd and 3rd chances here. I really don't see a problem with the infraction or points system currently in place. Most here never get any negative points at all regardless out how heated some of the debates have gotten. However, to go along with your discussion, no... I don't see any point to exempt veterans as they themselves should know even better how to behave as well as set an example for new people. I also don't see any reason to lessen the punishment on Inan. He knew what he was doing and it takes quite a bit to get banned from here. I think he just miscalculated a few points this last time and finally lost his game. | 2011-03-05 19:13:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| It's really sad to see a lot of the ignorant comments being made, I expected more from a lot of you. A large number of members opinions are worthless to me now. :l LBPC, I am dissapointed. | 2011-03-06 08:09:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| I take that as an insult my good man. I don't know why, but I do. | 2011-03-06 08:17:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| I think you should have just let this thread die out, Brem. :L Well I am now aware of the situation in its entirety, and I know that CC had everyone's best interest in mind when he made this decision. All in all, it was the right thing to do for the community, regardless of how upset Inan's close friends may be about it. Inan was banned for the right reasons, the ban will not be lifted, and "veteran" users will have no advantages over others. The end! I honestly don't think there's anything left to discuss. | 2011-03-06 08:59:00 Author: TheZimInvader Posts: 3149 |
| The first sentence of your paragraph was a lie zim. | 2011-03-06 09:23:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| I think you should have just let this thread die out, Brem. :L Well I am now aware of the situation in its entirety, and I know that CC had everyone's best interest in mind when he made this decision. All in all, it was the right thing to do for the community, regardless of how upset Inan's close friends may be about it. Inan was banned for the right reasons, the ban will not be lifted, and "veteran" users will have no advantages over others. The end! I honestly don't think there's anything left to discuss. I'm not one of Inan's close friends. In fact I found him rather irritating character who found pleasure in winding people up and I think he took things way too far at times. He also downrated my levels when he played 'em. Not a huge amount of love there from Ungreth. Whatever he did though, I think a permament ban is too harsh. I mean, sure...ban the guy for a period of time if he's been breaking the rules, but everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves, veteran or not. | 2011-03-06 12:04:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130 |
| I mean, sure...ban the guy for a period of time if he's been breaking the rules, but everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves, veteran or not. But wasn't he permabanned for failing to redeem himself many times? It wasn't like "Oh this guy commited his first infraction lets permaban him" | 2011-03-06 12:16:00 Author: gdn001  Posts: 5891 |
| What ALL the mods were saying in this thread was that they gave Inan enough chances, but Inan kept at it. :C So (From what I gather from ALL the other posts in this thread) they had no other choice but to perma him. He will be missed. :C :c :C T.T :C T.T | 2011-03-06 14:42:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| ugh In my opinion, ''veteran'' should not have any advantages. For example: Let's get 2 guys: A rich guy thats so famous and have lots of fans and one that no one knows and that's poor. The richy one made crimes, damaging lots of things. Only bcuz he's rich doesn't mean that he should be forgiven. The same thing to a poor guy. If he does lots of things doesn't mean that he should have a even more bad treatment. I'm not going against Inan (at this part), It's just how things should (and will) work. But i also think Inan have go too far. Used the thing of being more popular then others to do all this. Inan, srry but, you're being a shame on us. You've ended a popular member career the wrong way. Also about the thing about this story going too far, i don't think this will happen, only will have if Inan asks to CC or other moderator to return.. EDIT: AAAlso, i'm not against any opinion of anyone I respect the other people's opinions | 2011-03-06 16:28:00 Author: ViniciusBR11  Posts: 546 |
| Everybody agrees with the whole example you gave us. IMO, this thread's purpose was focused more on Inan's return. Which is only one person. After all, it is what started this thread. | 2011-03-06 16:40:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| about inan's return, i think he should return ONLY if CC and ALL moderators agree his return. I would agree only if he stops all the spammy thing about ponies It's like real life replace the imprisonment by the ban, the court by LBPC, the court judge by CC and the mods and the watching people by all the members of lbp that's-interested-in-this-thing (note: i didnt found a better term to use in place of spammy e.e'&apos | 2011-03-06 16:52:00 Author: ViniciusBR11 Posts: 546 |
| But I enjoyed the spammy pony thing.. I got to be an African zebra pony evil enchantress (thing) for a day before he got banned. The pleasure was cut short. ;_; In the end I'd like to get a final word from CC, even if it's just "He's not coming back, we're not changing the rules. Good day." | 2011-03-06 17:00:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| I don't think the ponies were the cause of this. And I agree with Koing. The part with the final word, not me being a zebra... lol. | 2011-03-06 17:01:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799 |
| Well... Inanmacy was mean to some people... And doubletime was a legend... *Sigh* What happened to Hybrid? | 2011-03-06 20:39:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I'm not one of Inan's close friends. In fact I found him rather irritating character who found pleasure in winding people up and I think he took things way too far at times. He also downrated my levels when he played 'em. Not a huge amount of love there from Ungreth. Whatever he did though, I think a permament ban is too harsh. I mean, sure...ban the guy for a period of time if he's been breaking the rules, but everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves, veteran or not. I wasn't assuming that everyone on the forums is a friend of his. I was saying that there's a larger number of people that don't like him/are neutral - So, CC was doing what was best for the forums, not what's best for Inan's followers. And @Koing Although CC did not post it on LBPC, his explanation was pretty clear that Inan is not going to be un-banned. | 2011-03-06 20:42:00 Author: TheZimInvader Posts: 3149 |
| In the end I'd like to get a final word from CC, even if it's just "He's not coming back, we're not changing the rules. Good day." Which your not going to get. There really isn't any reason for him to give a "final word"; The Mods do the moderating around here, and their final word is the final word. I'd rather he not waste his time on a thread that already has all the answers. *Shrug* Anyways, Inan was a self-proclaimed troll. Need I say more? | 2011-03-07 03:43:00 Author: Fishrock123 Posts: 1578 |
| I call lock on the Hate thread. | 2011-03-07 04:38:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| I do not understand the seemingly hostile responses to a requested reply from someone. Just silly really..  Two days later and my only regret with this thread is typing it up before I went to work, as it was taken wildly different than how I ever imagined it to be, due to missed self editing. So senseless arguing was the end result, mostly over misinterpretations. Hopefully without any lingering animosity. I know I'm not going to be holding some silly, pointless, grudge over anything said here. Everything has pretty much been said. So going to be requesting a lock be put on this thread. | 2011-03-07 04:48:00 Author: KoingWolf Posts: 386 |
| Thread locked by request. | 2011-03-07 04:50:00 Author: warlord_evil  Posts: 4193 |
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