Archive: 20 posts

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i recently discovered that you can label an actor name in a scakbot and then give that same actor label to a magic mouth in a sequencer so that as the sequencer plays, the voice over will wirelessly be played as if it was inside the sackbot, meaning its mouth would move with the talking. It makes movie speech organized and more easier. But now the problem I am facing now is that sackbot acting motion doesnot do the same thing! it does not even allow you to put it in a sequencer! i wish there was a less messy way and easier way than putting hundreds of batteries in the sequencer and then running a bagillian wires out of the sequencer and into all the sackbots that need acting! This SUCKS! Also something else that needs to be added in LBP2 is obviously, the rest of the power up for sackbots! Why are they only allowed creatinators, grabinators, and control seats? They can not use grappling hooks, or jet packs! the mere touch of water kills them, so dont even think about giving them oxygen tanks! I dont even recall if they can use a normal paint gun?! What is the world coming to when a sackbot can control an advance machine with a control seat, but not go for a swim? Because sackbots are so limited in their power ups, people's lvls are suffering. have you noticed that there is barly any more lvls being released with water or jet pack flying? There are hardly any levels with grappling hooks because of this! and grappling hooks are cool! this is because almost every new lvl in LBP2 that is fun uses sackbots! it just makes sense to use sackbots instead of boring old sack boy, so you can see why more power ups for sackbots is so essential to bring back grappling, water, and jetpack flying lvls of any kind. I will be starting a petition lvl for Mm to give these sackbots the power they deserve! Gosh darn it, they are people too! they deserve equal rights with the sack boys and girls! by that I mean they can be controlled by players as if they were normal sack people. someone once said, the reason they cant have those power up is because thier AI can not handle it... But I ask you to consider this! When you are controlling a sackbot as if it was a sack person through the use of transmitting control seats, where is this AI??? right, the persons controling them over rides their AI and thus it makes all the power up very ABLE to handle. So there really is no excuses for this kind of mistreatment to poor sackbots! Join me in Petition for Sackbot rights! sign up today to fight for this noble cause!

2011-03-03 22:14:00 Author: Unknown User

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Sigh... I should keep a .txt of standard answers for standard complaints. <boringlecturevoice> Mm didn't implement sackbots in water or using grappling hooks because it would involve AI code that either the system could not handle efficiently or was overly complex. It was not because they wanted to deprive us from some important features. Please stop complaining about things that would make sense if you just stopped and thought it over for a bit.</boringlecturevoice> However, it is possible for Mm to implement it so that you can only use them if they are player controlled, and I'm certain that they simply overlooked it in the rush to get the game out the door. Look for it in a future update!

2011-03-04 06:15:00 Author: Yofig Posts: 288

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it is possible for Mm to implement it so that you can only use them if they are player controlled ok, I realize you must have seen this same complaint a bajillion times (and believe me I understand how annoying it is to hear the same complaints over and over) but it's people like me who complain and protest and petition for what is right until it is fixed. That is how things work, I'm sure you already know. If you haven't seen this same complaint a bajillion times, then I would get worried. You do not have to <boringlecturevoice> me. I heard that sorry excuse about the AI, in fact I touch on it in my original post. But as all great excuses... They don't fix anything... We should be allowed all power ups when player controlled, and you know it. So, I rest my case. BTW how about the acting in sequencers issue i touched on?

2011-03-04 21:49:00 Author: Unknown User

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Yofig, doing the lecture voice is VERY disrespectful. Nichrome has a very valid reason as to why he posted this. I too never saw why they didn't have bots to be able to do these things while player controlled. Although, if a player was in a bot, used the grapple, then got out of the bot; what would happen then? But anyways, I can't think of a scenario where AI bots wouldn't be able to be acted as well.

2011-03-04 22:28:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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Yofig, doing the lecture voice is VERY disrespectful. Nichrome has a very valid reason as to why he posted this. I too never saw why they didn't have bots to be able to do these things while player controlled. Yeah, and so did the other hundred people or so... As for acting in sequencers, use tags.

2011-03-04 23:43:00 Author: Yofig Posts: 288

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thanks for trying to stick up for me Cryogen. lol. I can handle sticking up for myself. as for your grapple question, when they leave the bot it should lose its grapple and fall to its death. simple as that. Yofig, if all those hundreds of other people thought that the lecture voice was VERY disrespectful, they why did you continue to do it? As for using tags to get actors to act wirelessly from a sequencer, I thought of that too, and it would work. But, don't you think they can patch it to make it even easier so that the acting just works wirelessly like the magic mouths? I think they could.

2011-03-05 00:10:00 Author: Unknown User

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@ Nichrome - I wasn't just sticking up for you. I was also warning Yofig on the mannerism he used. No matter who he talks to, that is very disrespectful. That goes for anyone for that matter. The grapple disappearing thing - I thought about that too, but then I thought "What if someone put a battery on the R1 input to constantly have the grapple triggered?"

2011-03-05 00:20:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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any way you put it Cryogen, thanks for agreeing with me and having a decent conversation about this problem. even if they used a battery on the R1 input, i think the grapple could still just disappear. why not? If they want want him to just stay there holding on to something, they don't need a grapple to do that.

2011-03-05 00:51:00 Author: Unknown User

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Yofig, if all those hundreds of other people thought that the lecture voice was VERY disrespectful, they why did you continue to do it? As for using tags to get actors to act wirelessly from a sequencer, I thought of that too, and it would work. But, don't you think they can patch it to make it even easier so that the acting just works wirelessly like the magic mouths? I think they could. Not the voice, silly, the "Nichrome has a very valid reason as to why he posted this." Also, it's not disrespectful if I don't respect you yet.

2011-03-05 01:34:00 Author: Yofig Posts: 288

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err... right Yofig... I guess you meant that in a completely sincere way... because hundreds of people, including me, do have a valid reason to post "this" As for your comment on respect... I don't know who told you that, but it's probably the most asinine thing I have ever heard. lol. I don't need to earn your respect before I can disrespect you. I tell you what. I can run on a disrespecting rampage all over LBPC if I wanted to. In fact, I would be MORE likely to disrespect the people I have no respect for. But then I would get kicked off LBPC... darn LBPC nazis

2011-03-05 02:49:00 Author: Unknown User

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Hahaha.... yeah, well, if you're the hundredth person, then you don't really need to post it, now do you? You can simply complain along with the others in their threads. I'm not really sure why you found <boringlecturevoice> so insulting, I wasn't being serious in the least. My post was completely legitimate, and answered your topic completely. You are the one that turned into it into a flame war. If you want to continue said flame war, we can take it to PM. As for the disrespect topic, I just threw that out there to see how easily you could be pushed. Considering how you reacted, I would say very easily.

2011-03-05 03:07:00 Author: Yofig Posts: 288

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You do not have to <boringlecturevoice> me. that was all I said. It's not like I was terribly upset. If you recall, it was Cryogen who said it was so disrespectful. no offense Cryogen. Yofig, I posted this thread for a couple reasons... 1.to get people riled up about the cause. 2.to get people to see my own viewpoint, which is slightly different mind you, because no 2 people think exactly alike. 3.to get people to see me and my lvls. 4.to get people ready for my petition lvl that will hopefully be released soon, it will be informative as well as hilarious. 5.and possibly some other reasons i have not yet come up with. My post was completely legitimate, just as much as your answer to it was. As far as I know, I did not turn it into a flame war. I don't think I have ever turned anything into a flame war. Sure, I have lit things on fire here and there, but fighting with fire doesn't sound very safe. Although, one time I did witness 2 people fight with sticks that were on fire, but I hardly consider that a flame war because there was only 2 people. so it was more of just a flame battle. plus they just used sticks on fire... a flame war sounds a lot more like using just the flame... possibly shooting it out of their hands or something. idk. don't ask me how that works. you brought it up. considering how I reacted to your disrespect comment that you just threw out there. I believe I kept my composure and an extremely cool head. It's rather adorable how you cover your tracks by saying that you were just testing how far i can be pushed. well, good sir, I regret to inform you that i have only begun to be pushed. swing me higher! i insist.

2011-03-05 06:37:00 Author: Unknown User

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I agree fully that sackbots need to be able to swim! =] but they already can use the paintinator.

2011-03-05 07:14:00 Author: Onii55 Posts: 153

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any way you put it Cryogen, thanks for agreeing with me and having a decent conversation about this problem. even if they used a battery on the R1 input, i think the grapple could still just disappear. why not? If they want want him to just stay there holding on to something, they don't need a grapple to do that. AH... but now it's a bot that's not controlled by a player. Now, while it's hanging, I'm just going to place these switches onto the DCS inputs. OH NO!!! (Based on what people have said about the programming being too complicated) It appears I have just broken the game. O3o lol. I was thinking that this may be a reason as to why they couldn't just have bots use the power-ups. There would only be programming for the controlled bots, not the free bots. After thinking about it more, it is too complicated to have grapples for free bots. If you made the bot just follow a player the bot wouldn't know what to grapple onto. Not to mention they can grab the players. Although, ALL this could be avoided if there was programming that didn't allow the bots to use grapples, UNLESS THERE WAS A SACKBOY BUTT IN A CONTROL SEAT THAT WAS HOOKED UP TO A RECEIVER CONTROL SEAT. I'm sure that wouldn't be hard to program. Hmm... I knew I recognized that name of yours. The sonic levels. I remember playing them. I didn't have time for a review, but there were things I wanted to say. Uhh... not now though, I'm sleepy. Oh yeah... I forgot you said that in the OP about the paintinator. (Thanks for reminding me Onii) Just turn creatinator on in their tweaks menu. That's what I do anyways. Anything else I left out?..... I'll remember tomorrow I guess.

2011-03-05 10:51:00 Author: Devious_Oatmeal Posts: 1799

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Useful tip: Use sackbots as player actor as last resort ;]

2011-03-05 14:12:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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@Onii55 - thanks for the letting me know they can use paintinators. I haven't had much time to try it myself lately. and thanks for supporting the swimming cause. @Cryogen - right, i only need the grapple to work for sackbots currently being player controlled. Having it work for free bots sounds a little to complex for the AI to handle. yup yup yup. About the sonic lvls, I plan on going back and updating them more later, I have had a little more than enough of sonic for now, hence i will never do marble zone. @shadowriver - how would that help the cause? i dont understand...

2011-03-05 14:31:00 Author: Unknown User

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I agree that your post was completely legitimate... however, you are one of many, and things like 1.to get people riled up about the cause. 2.to get people to see my own viewpoint, which is slightly different mind you, because no 2 people think exactly alike. 3.to get people to see me and my lvls. 4.to get people ready for my petition lvl that will hopefully be released soon, it will be informative as well as hilarious. 5.and possibly some other reasons i have not yet come up with. are not enough to warrant a new thread when you can easily find one that is exactly the same. Now, I would rather someone like you post it than some of the people who have posted it, but you're a little late on the bandwagon, and therefore you've missed your chance. (Which BTW, you'd have the greatest chance of Mm exposure by posting on the getSatisfaction page) Touch? on the disrespect comment, perhaps I underestimated your processing power due to the large amount of <10 year-olds that inhabit the forums, this one especially. However, I legitimately gave that comment to test you. It's just something I do. Think of it as information gathering. All that said, I suppose the thread is a bit too far along for me to do anything about it, and therefore I shall drop it "like it's hot." all THAT being said, onto the issues of sackbots: The reason that swimming was not something they could accomplish is because the follow AI only works in one "dimension" (Left and right (jumping doesn't really count in this case)). The AI for 1D is really simple; walk toward objective, if object in the way, jump. They don't even test if they can get to the objective. Swimming, on the other hand, deals with complex pathfinding logic that would be iffy at best, especially with the crazy amount of variety in levels. Handling the X and Y axis would be easily broken, and if they did implement it, people would be complaining about how broken the swim logic is. For example, if I made a narrow opening in an underwater room, put a sackbot in the bottom, and told him to get something just on the other side of the wall, how would he figure out that he has to swim up, through the opening, and down again? Using the current logic, he would swim straight into the wall and just stay there. The jetpack has this same issue. As for grappling hook, it's because of the nuances in how to actually control the grappling hook to the best effect. What would tell a sackbot to swing back and forth to build momentum? Or to shorten it to gain speed? Or how to angle himself to land on the proper ledge? However, I do think that Mm should patch in the ability to use those objects if it's player controlled. The only issue I can see with that is if you can trick it to think it's player controlled somehow, but then have it use AI. Like I said above, your best chance at exposure is by posting it on getSatisfaction. Making a level won't really do much, tbh.

2011-03-05 17:19:00 Author: Yofig Posts: 288

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3.to get people to see me and my lvls. 5.and possibly some other reasons i have not yet come up with. 3. That's what the level showcase section is for. 5. Not really a reason.

2011-03-05 18:52:00 Author: ADS_LEGEND Posts: 140

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What? 3. to get people to see me and my levels. Since when was the suggestions forum was a place to advertise?

2011-03-06 01:06:00 Author: Waffleboy0 Posts: 22

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Aw man, I love you guys. Not in a homosexual way though. I'm not homo. That's just messed up. Unless you are homo. It's not messed up because you can not help it. I don't want to be known as a homo basher. That sounds even more messed up. Gays are people too. They deserve all the same rights as everyone. Just like sackbots who are controlled by players. They deserve all the same rights as sack people controlled by players. By players I don't mean pimps. By players I mean people who play video games. But I'm not implying that people who play video games could not get a woman. I'm sure we are not all geeks who get nervous when they talk to women. But If you are, I'm not saying that is a bad thing. I'm just saying you need to grow up. not like you can actually age any faster. Take me for example. I'm twice your age. unless you are like 30 or something ridiculous. I have twice the knowledge and knowhow, so if you want to take me on in a battle of the wits, you best beware. If you don't think my 5 reasons warrant this thread, then close your eyes and presto it's gone. ADS_LEGEND and Waffleboy question my reason number 3. Well, it is the suggestions page, so I merely suggest you check out my lvls. Besides, my lvls will soon include the "Sackbots are people too" petition lvl, which is relevant and I suggest you play it. It'l be a riot. Don't even get me started on defending reason number 5. That has the be the most valid and self explanatory reason of all. Yofig and anyone who is siding with him needs to get it out of their heads about free roaming AI sackbots. This thread has nothing to do with AI, only player controlled sackbots and their power to use power ups. I don't appreciate that kind of off-topic-ness because you people know how I feel about staying on this important topic. By the way, I do not mean African skin colored gentleman by "you people". It's not like I'm racist. Although I guess I am a little racist towards everyone. And by everyone, that includes you. But everyone is a little racist, so what's new. i'll tell you. My new found willingness to never end this paragraph. and now it's gone.

2011-03-07 00:31:00 Author: Unknown User

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