Archive: 16 posts

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Always one to complain (I am good at it), I love the queue option, and I think any post to a person's level helps them...that said it seems like everyone is posting "I queued your level, will you play mine". I played the last person's a few times, but found he played mine once and never even beat it...and never gave feedback. Possibly I am just unlucky, and I have gotten really good feedback, just not from such as those queued requests. What's wrong with leaving feedback and hen getting it? Then again perhaps many have grown tired of waiting weeks for feedback for the feedback they left only to get nothing at all. I still think there needs to be a reviewer rating so people know if they should even try to give another feedback (if they are looking for feedback).

2011-02-07 18:56:00 Author: celsus Posts: 822

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Oh my ***** ***** and ****** sandwitch with ****** ****** on top. I have completely forgot to play and review your level I promised long time ago! I'm very sorry. About this thread: Reviewer rating would be a good idea but since there are more and more... umm... newbies in here you couldn't get reviewer rating high. Simply because of the haters. My suggestion is this: Don't leave feedback- don't even play the other one's level before getting feedback yourself. And if feedback you get is something like: ''Good level. Now play mine.''' you should watch if he played it. If he did, just play his level and say: ''Good level.'' Problem solved!

2011-02-07 18:58:00 Author: FreeAim Posts: 2462

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Lol, love the reply, perhaps a thing where it just reports if the person replied to a F4F or not. I was going to hold off on the last one that did the queue, but I gave in and played it anyways. I wish levels recorded how far a player got in them, I think two feedbacks or so ago a player did not make it through the very start meteor shower and left me feedback on that assuming that was the entire level. That would also help me find player bottlenecks even if they did not leave feedback.

2011-02-07 19:33:00 Author: celsus Posts: 822

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Thing is, when in your thread, if someone is saying "I will play your level, will you play mine" well this isn't feedback and you don't have to return anything. You should simply give feedback to those that gave you feedback --- this means feedback must come before returning it. This is exactly how the system had been thought out and if people were doing that, it would work perfectly. Outside of your thread, you can go give feedback to other people that, in turn should therefore return the favor.

2011-02-07 20:45:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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My suggestion is this: Don't leave feedback- don't even play the other one's level before getting feedback yourself. And if feedback you get is something like: ''Good level. Now play mine.''' you should watch if he played it. If he did, just play his level and say: ''Good level.'' Problem solved!If everyone did that, no-one would play anything. Also feedback is like eBay ratings - no-one wants to give honest feedback if someone's level is rubbish as it'd hurt their feelings and you'd expect a 'retribution' feedback response. So if a level doesn't float you're boat, rather than post an honest review you'd post nothing, which then suggests they didn't play it. My suggestion is to act as you feel the community should. This means you'll be taken advantage of and not get a fair dealing, but at least you won't be a cheap, selfish leech.

2011-02-07 20:47:00 Author: Shifty Geezer Posts: 131

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Lol, I do my best to leave feedback for others in-depth and promptly, my issue is just there seems to be tons of "queued now play my level" and it was bugging me...just blowing off steam. I feel bad enough asking those really good reviewers to check out my levels because they are the only ones that do. I just figured a list of good willing f4f people would rock...I would love to be part of that list, I always give honest feedback on all levels, eventhough I do shy away from giving frowns or low stars.

2011-02-07 22:28:00 Author: celsus Posts: 822

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Yeah, those posts annoy me also. Even though I have no levels atm, I have certainly noticed the increase. I always respond/return people's feedback asap, and leave feedback before asking for any in return. Also, reviewers should be critical about levels, otherwise the creators don't learn and simply repeat their mistakes. Critical feedback can also make a good level go to great! It helps your levels reach their full potential. My advice is to push those "I queued your level, will you play mine" levels to the very back of the queue.

2011-02-09 03:14:00 Author: midnight_heist Posts: 2513

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Now that LBP2 is out people have started joining this page. Last I checked 37% of members were newer to this page than one week. How does this effect F4F? Since many of the people joined this page to mainly get plays on their new levels, they started missusing F4F! Due LBPme they have been doing this: ''Queued. Now play mine''' and it's very unpleasant to find out that the other one isn't even going to review your level as well as you reviewed his! Older members who want to keep F4F system working should 1. Look the background of the people you F4F on. If they haven't left comments on people who did the reviews on their levels, don't play their levels! 2. If you get ''Queued. Play mine.'' Don't play the commenters level before you have seen him done it to yours, and don't leave feedback on his level, if he isn't going to do the same. It's F4F no Q4Q. So what do you think about this?

2011-02-09 05:33:00 Author: FreeAim Posts: 2462

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Yes, I am 100% for this, but I complain a bunch, so not sure if it to have me complaining about this helps. But honestly, it does seem exactly like Q4Q now. I posted on a level a day ago and it had four or more Queued comments and I was the only one that had posted actually giving feedback. Edit: The harm it does is bumping posts upto the cool pages before many can get a look at it...I don't go to the cool pages to F4F because I feel like those people have already had tons of help, but now I feel I could be completely wrong.

2011-02-09 06:09:00 Author: celsus Posts: 822

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You know, I think LBP2 should actually have official F4F support. It's a valuable feature for critique and exposure, unlike H4H. It could be implemented easily enough too. Add a F4F option for a level. Someone offering F4F fills in their comments, but they aren't posted until the other player, who has the F4F level queued, plays it and comments. With both levels played and both parties having written their comments, the comments are then added. This would also encourage more honest reviews as you wouldn't have immediate retribution comments. Then players can be rated on the F4F attitude, like eBay reputation, and we'd be able to avoid rip-off merchants who'll get crappy ratings. Again, there'd have to be sufficient statistical noise reduction so a person's reputation doesn't get hammered with a couple of negative but honest feedbacks. It's certainly workable. DeviantArt has similar crtique requests and stuff, and I think if MM view LBP as a real artform and not just a toy, they should seriously consider this aspect of commmunity support for community creations, instead of leaving people to either get lost or go to external fora. There's evidently a need within the community to get plays given the way F4F and fora grumbles get around. So MM should try something to solve this. I think the idea "the good stuff floats to the top" just can't work well enough.

2011-02-09 21:10:00 Author: Shifty Geezer Posts: 131

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Been noticing this. While some do, I've realised quite a few haven't left anything. Annoying, but nothing to get upset about.

2011-02-09 22:07:00 Author: kirbyman62 Posts: 1893

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Complaining is good, you should complain whenever possible as long as you're not being a bit of a... um... **** (you're not btw) LBP.me is really useful for the problems with F4F because you can check if they've fulfilled the criteria from the comfort of wherever you're computer is. (:

2011-02-09 22:28:00 Author: JonnysToyRobot Posts: 324

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Having finsihed my first level and looking up how F4F works on LBPC, I see there ar official rules. Surely those not fulfulling their side of the system can be reported and have their threads yanked?

2011-02-10 09:34:00 Author: Shifty Geezer Posts: 131

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I don't understand why people are asking themselves questions in this thread and making suggestion. The F4F system we have right now is fully fonctional and well done, there's only people mis-using it. (I agree however that the game itself should support a similar system but then again, there's so many things the game could do... let's work with what we have). Reminder for you folks: It's not because someone post in your thread that you have to return Feedback. It's like many people think here that because you made an F4F thread and someone said "will play your level k?" you have to answer. This is false. F4F engages you to respond only to PROPER FEEDBACK. Ain't that easy? This means you ignore those useless posts until someone post a real decent feedback in your thread. Only then you will return the favor.

2011-02-10 16:23:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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You know, I think LBP2 should actually have official F4F support. It's a valuable feature for critique and exposure, unlike H4H. It could be implemented easily enough too. Add a F4F option for a level. ... I love this idea - would you consder adding this to getsatisfaction.com? I'd vote for it! Another thing I've noticed is people posting return reviews in their own threads, instead of the requested thread. Not only does this affect their stats for 'cool' levels, but what - i'm expected to trawl through all the level threads I've reviewed to find feedback for myself??? If someone posts a F4F thread link alongside their review, surely the returned review isn't too difficult to put in the right place?? Grr. </grizzle>

2011-02-10 16:27:00 Author: rialrees Posts: 1015

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I like the ideas here, what about everyone having to do a F4F before they can post one. I think that would have helped me when I first posted. Then again it just may be a current trend, and I have started asking people who gave my levels smiles for feedback instead of frowns which has helped more than asking the frowns...still F4F stats would be nice...it would be an extra reward for those who do them when they get the time i.e. me to a slight degree, and much more the unsung blogger or reviewer.

2011-02-10 17:53:00 Author: celsus Posts: 822

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