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Here's how I see it: The Imagisphere (as they call it) IS made of people's dreams; however, they are made of the dreams that people don't hold onto very long (you know how you sometimes forget a dream once you wake up?). I'm assuming that certain continuing dreams, or the personality of the dreamer, eventually become so concentrated that they become sentient beings, thus the creation of the curators. These people are essentially made out of imagination, but can, in themselves, create their own works based on what dreams and imaginings they were made out of. For instance, DaVinci is made up of every lost inventive and critical thought, dream, or imagining that any human ever concieved. Sackpeople are different from curators in that each one is the embodiment of an actual consciousness of a human-- you, the player-- that can appear in the imagisphere and obtain other creative ideas from the Imagisphere and move them freely between there and the physical world, thus becoming a curator in their own sense. Since the collective imaginations are massive, sackpeople appear very small compared to ordinary objects such as, say, a book or a teacup. And why is everything in English? Because the Imagishpere is made up of imagination, we interperet that imagination as whatever we are native to. Something that someone dreams in the German language would end up being instantly translated to English when viewed by someone who speaks English. The Negativitron is, as it states, an embodiment of all the negative throughts-- perfectionism, low self-esteem, egoism-- that suck away our creativity, which is why it took the form of an evil giant vaccum. Why wasn't he created by the selfish thoughts that formed the Collector from LBP1? Well, selfishness is a negative thought, but it isn't necessarily one that hinders creativity; on the contrary, the Collector designed tons of his own inventions in order to carry out his plans. In the case of Higgenbotham, Clive states that he was infected with the meanie virus in the Factory of a Better Tomorrow. Since Clive had the most negative thoughts, you'd expect him to be an esier target than Higgenbotham, who, Victoria states, is "the greatest inventor who ever lived." However, Higgenbotham was probably the first embodiment of inventive thoughts before DaVinci, and eventually those thoughts became too much for one entity and released themselves from Higgenbotham to begin creating DaVinci. As you can imagine, this would probably have a negative effect on Higgenbotham's physical and mental health, which would make it easier for the meanie virus to infect him. Plus, since Clive was surrounded by his own creative energy at thetime, he was probably better "protected" than Higgenbotham, who had left his own planet. So why did it say that the Cosmos levels were created by Higgenbotham? It's obvious now, isn't it? When Higgenbotham first became infected, the Negativitron used him to rebuild his own planet (which was probably much more impressive than DaVinci's) in order to complete the Negativitron's incarnation. Who else could have designed all of those complex machines that were trying to kill you, not to mention create devices to hack into the sackbots, create meanies and build the giant killer robot? Eventually the virus took its toll on Higgenbotham's body, and the Negativitron had no more use for him. He was discarded (presumably on Eve's planet) in a mentally unstable state, which is where Eve found him and decided it was best to lock him up (wouldn't you?). EDIT: Alternate explanations: Higgenbotham himself escaped (which is unikely given his mental state), or Eve goes to the Cosmos herself to rescue him (which would give her much more credit in the Alliance). UPDATE: Taken from my post in this thread (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=49698-Craftworld-LittleBigPlanet-Cosmos-Wonderplane-Imagisphere...) There's definitely a lot of confusion regarding the loose usages of the words "Craftworld," "Imagisphere," "LittleBigPlanet" to describe the same or similar things. Here's what I think: The Imagisphere is what we would consider the Universe (i.e. it represents the thing that encases everything else) The Wonderplane could be either another name for the Imagisphere or the specific galaxy in which the game takes place The Cosmos refers to the outer area of the Wonderplane, here specifically referring to the planet where the Negativitron is LittleBigPlanet is the name for any planet in the Imagisphere (Eve's Asylum, Avalonia, The Factory, etc) Craftworld is the sackperson's (your) LittleBigPlanet. Though some people suggest all the worlds except the Negativitron's are connected, which would mean that Craftworld and LittleBigPlanet are essentially one in the same. A more logical explanation would be that some of the curators share the same planet: Da Vinci and Victoria share one, Clive has his own, Avalon and Eve share one, and Higgenbotham has his own (until the Negativitron took over, of course). And... that's about it. What do you think?

2011-02-01 17:52:00 Author: EliminatorZigma Posts: 173

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I still have one question. If LittleBigPlanet is made out of dreams, what do nightmares make up?

2011-02-01 18:05:00 Author: Captain Posts: 92

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I still have one question. If LittleBigPlanet is made out of dreams, what do nightmares make up? Well, even nightmares have some degree of creativity to them. I mean, a lot of people blame nightmares on an "overactive imagination," right? I'm assuming the weaker thoughs become ideas or environments in the Imagisphere, and the stronger ones become curators. There are probably thousands of imagination-created curators out there; the reason we only see a few in the story is because those specific curators are members of the "Alliance," which I assume is just an organization of the strongest or most influential curators There are curators of all the different common types of dreams and thoughts. Yes, that means there is a curator who forgets to wear everything but underpants, a world where the curator is constantly falling, worlds that embody the dreams and thoughts that frighten us (remember the Darkness level from LBP1?). There's even worlds based on the more... perverted dreams. But the Alliance is only made up of the superior ideals, even if they have their own flaws.

2011-02-01 18:14:00 Author: EliminatorZigma Posts: 173

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I still have one question. If LittleBigPlanet is made out of dreams, what do nightmares make up? I see a storyline for a possible LittleBigPlanet 3 on the horizon...

2011-02-01 18:15:00 Author: Plasmavore Posts: 1913

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I actually wondered about this. I can't help imagining some anti-imagisphere out there made of all the evil thoughts and nightmares lurking below Craftworld. Hey, that wouldn't make a bad level. I call copyrights. (Just kidding. But still...)

2011-02-01 18:15:00 Author: PygmyOwl Posts: 1316

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I hereby dub The Angry Waffle a curator. He's a doctor of love... Dr. Strangelove. And nukes.

2011-02-01 18:47:00 Author: RagTagPwner Posts: 344

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Never given this much though, actually, but it seems to make sense. I believe Clive said Higgenbottom was the greatest creator ever in Avlonia though

2011-02-08 20:21:00 Author: kirbyman62 Posts: 1893

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I thought more that Higinbotham created the cosmos and made it the most grand and detailed place in craftworld. Because of this, he was clearly powerful and therefore a threat to the negativitron. The negativitron eliminated him, driving him crazy, and took over his world, changing it. I don't think that if he could control Higinbotham he would just forget about him and leave him on Eve's planet. Eve most likely felt sorry for him and, being a nurse, took him under her wing. The negativitron likely attacked the asylum to prevent Higinbotham from recovering. Nice theory by the way

2011-02-08 20:33:00 Author: indydegrees1 Posts: 31

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Some people probably dream about the story of Adam and Eve, thus creating Eve. Nice idea though.

2011-02-09 07:01:00 Author: RotomGuy Posts: 28

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I still have one question. If LittleBigPlanet is made out of dreams, what do nightmares make up? LittleBigPlanet 3's Story Plot.

2011-02-09 07:38:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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I see a storyline for a possible LittleBigPlanet 3 on the horizon... Would'nt that be a bit dark for LittleBigPlanet?

2011-02-09 07:59:00 Author: themaxus Posts: 90

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Never given this much though, actually, but it seems to make sense. I believe Clive said Higgenbottom was the greatest creator ever in Avlonia though Victoria von Batherson said something of the like. Would'nt that be a bit dark for LittleBigPlanet? New rating: Rated M for mature (Maybe E10+ or T, though) ONLINE INTERACTIONS NOT RATED BY THE ESRB, but the story...

2011-02-09 23:44:00 Author: Cronos Dage Posts: 396

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hmmm, interesting, to me the story was good, but I was mostly doing it because I could. Most people would wonder what would happen if sackboy came to our world, but what if we went to craftworld...? And the nightmares is an interesting idea, that one intrigues me. I wonder who created the alliance?

2011-02-13 02:06:00 Author: daddy_doodle Posts: 199

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I wonder who created the alliance? Da Vinci and Avalon.

2011-02-13 02:53:00 Author: jalr2d2 Posts: 256

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Not exactly what I meant... I meant who created them, how did they come to be, how did the charcaters themselves come to exist?

2011-02-13 18:10:00 Author: daddy_doodle Posts: 199

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So... Each persons SackThing is the In-Dream avatar of themselves! Of course! It all makes sense now!

2011-02-13 18:17:00 Author: Nurolight Posts: 918

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So what happened to all the creators in the first one, why are they all in the asylum? Is that because of the negativitron?

2011-02-13 20:43:00 Author: Xenon- Posts: 35

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So what happened to all the creators in the first one, why are they all in the asylum? Is that because of the negativitron? Well, my best guess is that after Craftworld got attacked (in the beginning cutscene), some of the characters got tossed into space where they either: Landed in Eve's planet Landed somewhere where Eve found them. The reson they were "mentally alternative" was probably because they, like Higgenbotham, were affected by the meanie virus. Not exactly what I meant... I meant who created them, how did they come to be, how did the charcaters themselves come to exist? The members of the alliance (the "curators") weren't imagined by any specific person; rather, each one is a concious manifestation of certain types of lost dreams and thoughts conceived by any human who'd ever lived. For instance, Da Vinci is made up primarily of inventive thoughts, Clive is made up of... probably the thoughts of stressful jobs and management, etc. Higgenbotham was probably the original Da Vinci, but since there was a huge concentration of imaginative thoughts and dreams, it had to be formed into two curators.

2011-02-14 14:39:00 Author: EliminatorZigma Posts: 173

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The members of the alliance (the "curators") weren't imagined by any specific person; rather, each one is a concious manifestation of certain types of lost dreams and thoughts conceived by any human who'd ever lived. For instance, Da Vinci is made up primarily of inventive thoughts, Clive is made up of... probably the thoughts of stressful jobs and management, etc. Higgenbotham was probably the original Da Vinci, but since there was a huge concentration of imaginative thoughts and dreams, it had to be formed into two curators. Aha, that makes perfect sense now

2011-02-15 03:53:00 Author: daddy_doodle Posts: 199

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I also like to think they are formed from the ideas and dreams of the people from the creator's time periods. (Da Vinci was dreamed up during the Renaissance, Clive during the Cold War, Avalon during the future, etc.)

2011-02-15 04:01:00 Author: Frinklebumper Posts: 941

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Victoria von Batherson said something of the like. Victoria von Bathysphere...

2011-02-15 05:14:00 Author: FreeAim Posts: 2462

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Great Explanation. I just have some questions... what about craftworld and the imaginsphere. what makes them so different and why are there more planets other that craftworld. In the end of the game, other unique planets can be seen from the negativatron's planet. This idea was even established in lbp1 in the cosmos concept. also, what would the original curators represent and how did they become infected. What's the relationship between the lbp1 curators, lbp2 curators and the vast cities that they live in, despite them all being on one world. do they represent certain types of dreams too? Also I also like to think they are formed from the ideas and dreams of the people from the creator's time periods. (Da Vinci was dreamed up during the Renaissance, Clive during the Cold War, Avalon during the future, etc.) wouldnt with avalon being made of future dreams, wouldn't this mean that the imaginsphere is not just a connection between reality and the mental plane, but also between time, demensions, and space?

2011-02-16 03:55:00 Author: TREMIC1 Posts: 263

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Great Explanation. I just have some questions... what about craftworld and the imaginsphere. what makes them so different and why are there more planets other that craftworld. In the end of the game, other unique planets can be seen from the negativatron's planet. This idea was even established in lbp1 in the cosmos concept. also, what would the original curators represent and how did they become infected. What's the relationship between the lbp1 curators, lbp2 curators and the vast cities that they live in, despite them all being on one world. do they represent certain types of dreams too? Also (snip) wouldnt with avalon being made of future dreams, wouldn't this mean that the imaginsphere is not just a connection between reality and the mental plane, but also between time, demensions, and space? I actually just recently theorized the answer to your first question in THIS THREAD (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=49698-Craftworld-LittleBigPlanet-Cosmos-Wonderplane-Imagisphere...). Updating original post now. As to the Avalon area, I think that was really just the manifestation of "futuristic, space age, new world" inventiveness that a lot of people think up today (think Star Trek, Back to the Future, or even Wall○E). Though, since the Imagisphere is made up of thoughts and dreams (which scientifically haven't been fully described), it could be possible that the Imagisphere is its own dimension that collects thoughts from all time periods. It's intriguing.

2011-02-16 15:48:00 Author: EliminatorZigma Posts: 173

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Just read it and I think I get it now. This explains the the pod. since sackboy is always traveling through with it, it would not make since for all the curators to be on one planet. Your sack person would have to use the pod to travel to these unique worlds. This also explains clips in the game where your pod is used, such as the scene where da vinci gives you a new one and when you have to travel to avalon's city by use of pod. I also thought of some other theories. Victoria must be made up of second thoughts (you know how when you have a great solution to a problem, but then you have to think up of another one because you doubt your first one will work) This would explain her statements such as "what did I do wrong, what didn't I do right" (something like this) Avalon's is not just made up of futuristic dreams, but especially large dreams that we believe that we can do all by ourself, but fail to accept help when we need it. Higgenbottham may be physical unstable, but we must remember that he also has the ability to connect to other's minds on a mental plane. For example, when he detects that Avalon is still alive. This could be explained by the belief that he's made up of many thoughts. Because he's made up of so many idas's, he cannot just connect with others on one idea, but multiple ones.

2011-02-17 02:07:00 Author: TREMIC1 Posts: 263

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