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Hacked Rare Costume DLC!

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I was wanting to see if it was possible for the sackbot DLC glitch to still work; It "doesn't" work I said to myself after trying and failing... That all changed today when I came across a level that said "Free Crown DLC as prize! (REAL) (COPYABLE)" or something like that, I played many crown giveaway levels but none of them worked except for this one. It fully works; no stickers, tag, tilted, and you know how a sackbot would say "Created By: (PSN Name)" in its description after you saved it, well this one said "Created By: MediaMolecule", and as you know this section is not editable... The level is now taken down, and I am sorry but I forgot his username and deleted the prize after I saved the costume. (I deleted the costume ) The level I played was LEGIT! (Please help me contact Mm to report this "hack"/glitch!)2011-01-30 03:20:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

Yes this is infact true there are a couple lvls that I can see giving out the crown,atleast not many people have played them, yet.2011-01-30 09:48:00

Author:
stargate1995
Posts: 9

Oh dear, that's bad. I hope that people assume these are fake so not many people play it and it doesn't spread...2011-01-30 09:53:00

Author:
Matimoo
Posts: 1027

I think you just told a bunch of people that you can get a free crown now.2011-01-30 10:06:00

Author:
nunsmasher
Posts: 247

With all these FREE DLC things, you will get a message that you need to own the dlc inorder to place the sackbot in your level?2011-01-30 10:10:00

Author:
Dexist
Posts: 570

This NEEDS to be fixed.2011-01-30 10:17:00

Author:
RibShark
Posts: 83

No you don't get a message saying you need to own it with this one, you just get your crown and move along.2011-01-30 10:23:00

Author:
stargate1995
Posts: 9

Yeah every day since release pretty much there is a new glitch showing up in LBP2. I wouldn't be surprised if god glitch finally shows up in a couple days. It's probably happening with the ability to hack the ps3 now imo but who knows.2011-01-30 10:25:00

Author:
IAmChavez
Posts: 142

People with real crowns will have the 'Crowned' pin since you can't get that through the sackbot costume save method.
But I hope this gets sorted very soon. Have you told Mm?		2011-01-30 10:26:00

Author:
Jedi_1993
Posts: 1518

Alright, to anyone considering it- don't get the crown through this method. It's the only recognition that great creators get, so don't steal their thunder when you don't deserve it!!!

Seriously; steal a crown and I will personally kill you. With help from Jedi of course You'll have the choice of a hidden blade to the spinal cord, or a lightsaber to your gut. Neither are pleasant 		2011-01-30 10:33:00

Author:
Weretigr
Posts: 2105

I thought the whole point of getting a crown was to get it through earning it. If you dont earn it then its just another piece of dlc. Its kind of like someone who walks around with a ferrari keychain pretending they have one when really all they have is a bicycle. Nothing wrong with a bicycle, just no need to pretend you have a ferrari is all.2011-01-30 13:48:00

Author:
wexfordian
Posts: 1904

i saw this 2 in lbp and its real,and i honestly think its the biggest fail i ever saw on lbp and i want a crown but not this way cause i think that the people who won it making awesome games and working hard to win it will feel stupid if they see a noob who dont make any and got a crown as they.
and i think this is the same with all the dlc and ill feel stupid if i see a man with a dlc costume free that cost 4 example 3 euros,so please fix this problem
(sorry if i wrote some wrong im not really good at english sorry)		2011-01-30 15:29:00

Author:
xkjz3l
Posts: 113

Nooo!
I hoped that this would never happen, but... it's real!
Quick, let's good grief it or something!
Or another idea, why doesn't Mm make the crown like some DLC you can only get from them?
That'd make it impossible for people who got it the 'cheap' way to wear it
Just some suggestions.		2011-01-30 15:44:00

Author:
iArekusu
Posts: 402

Or another idea, why doesn't Mm make the crown like some DLC you can only get from them?

Thats what crown is currently is
If Pin system can see if your crown is fake or not that means the code can do that and there ability to fix that (or else there other barrier). Probably same as Pod glitch, it didn't been fix due fact that MM was thinking that non of the beta content will land in LBP2		2011-01-30 16:12:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Biggest 'bug' ive seen in the game. Its sad that crowns might not even mean anythin soon. MM may have to giveaway a new 'Rare' prize for winning contests if this isnt fixed.2011-01-30 16:12:00

Author:
TonyTwoGunz
Posts: 139

Thats what crown is currently is
If Pin system can see if your crown is fake or not that means the code can do that and there ability to fix that (or else there other barrier). Probably same as Pod glitch, it didn't been fix due fact that MM was thinking that non of the beta content will land in LBP2

I meant that there should appear a message saying something like "You can't wear this because you don't own one of the following dlc contents: 'Rare Crown'".
I DO know that the crown can/should be only available by Mm themselves, but that would disallow thiefs or sharing-happy crown owners to share it like that.		2011-01-30 16:18:00

Author:
iArekusu
Posts: 402

Hazbell hacked into LBP2, he got ALL RARE costumes and if he places it on a sackbot it freezes his PS3! (NOTE: He also said it was very advanced and illegal)2011-01-30 18:15:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

I think Mm has the brain power to fix this. Maybe create a new crown and discontinue the compromised one. It is compromised now
Its sad that ppl were picked by Mm to be a part of something special and they repay Mm with greed and have a part in possibly rendering part of the game meaningless.		2011-01-30 18:25:00

Author:
EinRobot
Posts: 739

I really thought this would have been fixed by the time the full game came out. Especially given how long the Beta lasted.
Maybe they should have delayed the game a little bit longer to fix these bugs.		2011-01-30 18:30:00

Author:
D-E-S_87
Posts: 148

Ugh, not this again... 2011-01-30 18:39:00

Author:
GreyMRP
Posts: 588

Oh noes... This is bad! Why do people want the crown so bad as to technically steal it... Theyre ruining it for others whos deserve the rarity and feeling of getting a recognised spot in the community. Im pretty sure if they discontinue the crown, theyll make a super exclusive pin, or maybe even a sackboy skin of some sort.2011-01-30 18:55:00

Author:
grayspence
Posts: 1990

So do we need to fear that other special dlc also might be "stealed'?
I know that the costumes from the CE are not able to ge unless you have the dlc yourself
(placing a sackbot with that costume in your level, gives a notice that you need that dlc)

Or is this Crown the only DLC that we can get from a sackbot with out owning the DLC ourselves?

If not what about all the Special Beta costume parts 		2011-01-30 18:59:00

Author:
Dexist
Posts: 570

Here's the thing I'm confused about...
A creator has to recieve the crown through being honest and talented. Why, then, would said creator spoil Mm's greatest award?		2011-01-30 19:29:00

Author:
nunsmasher
Posts: 247

The more proper actoin would be to rsimply report it to Mm rather than to the forums, you know?
Posting a thread simply spreads the amount of people who know this.

I mean you do realize we got hundreads of members and guests here daily?
You're just spreading the fire...		2011-01-30 19:38:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I wonder if this will ever be possible to fully fix. Maybe MM should make a new Super Rare Crown or something and give it out as a replacement...only if this situation gets way too out of hand.2011-01-30 22:14:00

Author:
Tap Dat App
Posts: 108

This isn't good. And do you know what this means? Unlimited distribution of all payed-for costumes. The crown glitch has been made using sack-bot transferring, so that means that any other piece of clothing (that is bought in the LBP store) can be distributed for free via sack-bot transferring. Right?2011-01-30 23:43:00

Author:
Julianotis1
Posts: 110

I think Mm has the brain power to fix this. Maybe create a new crown and discontinue the compromised one.

I can't speak for everyone with a crown, but I really couldn't care less if everyone has one. I spoke about this in another thread a couple of months ago. The crown is only meaningful to those who know they deserved it.

It's like if everyone in the world could suddenly and easily recieve a trophy for, say, the International Goat Throwing championships (I have no idea if such a championship exists, if so I would like to know more). If everyone has one, does that make it any less special for the person who actual won that championship? I wouldn't think so, because for them the meaning of the trophy is special, whereas for everyone else it's just a shiny bit of metal that falsely claims they are skilled at throwing goats. Or something.

So the crown certainly doesn't need to be discontinued. If everybody has one, and you (meaning everyone reading this, not you specifically) were awarded one personally by Mm for being a super-awesome community member, would you still consider it meaningless? I should hope not. 		2011-01-30 23:55:00

Author:
Nuclearfish
Posts: 927

I found out today too. I was playing through brand new levels and one was a sort of advertisement for a crown contest. He did not have the royalty pin. So I tested him. I made him reset his sackboy, put on a certain skin, and then put on the crown. Needless to say when he put on the crown, his whole costume changed, so I kicked him out and took him off the friendlist.2011-01-31 00:09:00

Author:
Kitkasumass
Posts: 494

I just found this out. I played a crown level and tried to save the costume. I doubt it would work, but it did.

When I was wearing it, I felt guilty, like this shouldn't be, like people who worked hard and worked endless hours deserve this masterpiece. I showed it to my friend and he said to delete it ASAP. I never want to ever wear it without properly earning it again. 		2011-01-31 02:24:00

Author:
Spazz
Posts: 484

I have a solution for MM . . .

This solution is only if MM cant do anything about the crowns that have spread around already.

Make the current crown a DLC for everyone, but make a newer special crown or whatever thing they choose to make and give that to all the past winners and for future [insert word for crown here] contests. And obviously the new item couldn't be loopholed.

^^		2011-01-31 02:27:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

All this stuff about "LBP2" going "gold". If you ask me, they were rushing so they could have their vacation early.2011-01-31 02:29:00

Author:
Richasackboy
Posts: 619

Am I the only one with this mindset::

It's a game. Let people glitch and hack. Just avoid playing with those people, avoid trying to do glitches, and enjoy the legit aspects of the game? *shrugs*
I really couldn't care less about all the glitches and "Fake crowns". It doesn't prove anything beyond "I have the attention span of jesus himself, and played this vigorously til I got this glitch!".

I do hope Mm fixes this, and I'm sure they are. But there is no need to go about this. I think i'v seen more threads on "glitches" on these forums than I have any other type.		2011-01-31 02:31:00

Author:
oNinjaFisho
Posts: 67

All this stuff about "LBP2" going "gold". If you ask me, they were rushing so they could have their vacation early.

Agreed. Feels like LBP2 is still in BETA phase with all these bugs and glitches. I'd rather wait an extra month to get a perfect (or atleast better) version of the game. :/


Imma blame SONY. >_>		2011-01-31 02:36:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

I would have thought MM had patched this bug straight away as it happened in the beta. I didn't think it was possible until I saw everyone with the crown.

I managed to actually stop the first level which was giving it away and the creator deleted it. But obviously the people already with it will follow on from that level and give it away too.

The crown Is not a massive thing to me but people wearing it without earning it defeats the purpose of the crown. People worked hard to earn it...

MM should definitely bring out a new crown and make this one for everyone unless they find a way to get all the crowns back which I very much doubt

GOD SAVE THE CROWN! lol

P.s MM if you are reading this, can the women who earned the crown get a tiara? HAA		2011-01-31 06:46:00

Author:
Fenderjt
Posts: 1969

I would have thought MM had patched this bug straight away as it happened in the beta. I didn't think it was possible until I saw everyone with the crown.

I managed to actually stop the first level which was giving it away and the creator deleted it. But obviously the people already with it will follow on from that level and give it away too.

The crown Is not a massive thing to me but people wearing it without earning it defeats the purpose of the crown. People worked hard to earn it...

MM should definitely bring out a new crown and make this one for everyone unless they find a way to get all the crowns back which I very much doubt

GOD SAVE THE CROWN! lol

P.s MM if you are reading this, can the women who earned the crown get a tiara? HAA

While I don't condone it, I still don't see why people feel it's SUCH a big deal. The people who did earn it, know they earned it. If they feel angry and spiteful due to other people having it, then the only reason they want it is for bragging rights to tell people how much better they are. I'd think people who earned it, would shrug it off because they know in their hearts it was something they earned. I'm glad however, Mm is fixing the more important, game breaking stuff, rather than spending all their time trying to stop people from having a stupid little thing in-game.

Again, I do hope they fix this, but i'd prefer all the major stuff which can literally, sink the entire game, get fixed.		2011-01-31 07:21:00

Author:
oNinjaFisho
Posts: 67

I don't have it but I can say is that you won't ever be able to stop stuff like this from happening. Not on this game. Not on any other. MM has made this piece so rare that people were put up to the challenge to exploit it. A good example is the Call of Duty games. You find an exploit, post on you tube for all to see, Then it gets patch. Then that person is actually happy because he is now put up to another challenge to find a way to get by it again. This never stops. People get their rocks off by doing this. Just like the ps3 update that came out a few days ago. The next day it was exploited again to where you could jailbreak on that version. There is always someone bigger and badder (in this case smarter) than you.

In all honesty though, I can't believe that MM won't protect the integrity of the crown and the game itself. Post like this that explains these glitches should be taken down for none to see. How many crowns do you think have been distributed just by post on LBP forums? They see this and their like "a glitch, a crown, WHAT!!" Bam they have it. Then they tell their friends. Nuff said.		2011-01-31 07:39:00

Author:
hoosierdaddie
Posts: 24

I don't have it but I can say is that you won't ever be able to stop stuff like this from happening. Not on this game. Not on any other. MM has made this piece so rare that people were put up to the challenge to exploit it. A good example is the Call of Duty games. You find an exploit, post on you tube for all to see, Then it gets patch. Then that person is actually happy because he is now put up to another challenge to find a way to get by it again. This never stops. People get their rocks off by doing this. Just like the ps3 update that came out a few days ago. The next day it was exploited again to where you could jailbreak on that version. There is always someone bigger and badder (in this case smarter) than you.

From a programming standpoint, I disagree with this SPECIFIC type of glitch//hack. However, in a general sense, you are right. You cannot stop every and all hacks//glitches. However, you also cannot compare Call of Duty games to Little Big Planet. The mechanics and game play are entirely different. In LBP, you have more leash to do stuff in game. Go in other peoples level, etc. Call of Duty, you're kind of limited.

But I do agree there will always be exploited bugs and glitches.

Also, the guy who jail broke the PS3 really didn't put much effort into it *shrugs*. You might want to give credit to the guy who managed to crack and find the actual root key that PS3 uses for authentication and posting it online, where a cracker spent a little while forming a jail-break for it. But again, you're comparing two things that, cannot really be compared because they are totally different. But again, as a general statement, black-hat hackers do thoroughly love to be challenged. So they will always be trying to crack and hack.		2011-01-31 07:45:00

Author:
oNinjaFisho
Posts: 67

Maybe if everyone had it, it would stop the stupid amount of gameshare requests or "can you build me a level, or let me copy one of your levels so i can win the crown" messages i get. Which will in turn cut down on the abuse i get if I don't reply or even reply in a nice manner.

I got called a stupid *******ing *******ot on Saturday because I told someone they couldn't buy my crown off me for $5, the messages didn't stop until I replied, and thats the message I got back in return.

Like Nuclearfish said, I'm proud of how I earned mine so couldn't really give a **** what happens to it.		2011-01-31 08:23:00

Author:
GruntosUK
Posts: 1754

Off-topic:



It's like if everyone in the world could suddenly and easily recieve a trophy for, say, the International Goat Throwing championships (I have no idea if such a championship exists, if so I would like to know more).

There is a festival in Spain that involves throwing a goat off a church. (http://www.entertainmentinspain.com/goat%20throwing%20jan.htm) 		2011-01-31 08:35:00

Author:
Syroc
Posts: 3193

Off-topic:



There is a festival in Spain that involves throwing a goat off a church. (http://www.entertainmentinspain.com/goat%20throwing%20jan.htm)


Yes but the goat does not die. It is caught down below from members of PETA using a sheet of tarpaulin		2011-01-31 08:51:00

Author:
hoosierdaddie
Posts: 24

My guess is that this Crown is somehow imported from the Beta... or hacked as you said..
Once we saw that Pod object things came after another.. Pod > Levels > Crown
I wouldn't think that someone deserves the Crown and got it square and fair would easily give it away to someone who doesn't deserve it or didn't even spend an hour in Create Mode... because that would be.. how can say it.. stupid..

I hope every hacker's game or system get crashed.. for majority's safety and tranquility		2011-01-31 10:40:00

Author:
G-IH-O-S-T
Posts: 27

Why want a crown when you can wear a panda hat?2011-01-31 10:51:00

Author:
Unknown User

I for one hope all of the people releasing this stuff are baned from the psn network just like people on blacks ops are right now since the 3.56 fw patch came out, & I hope the people that obtained having to be forced to at least start all over again. I see way too much optimistic people here that think this problem will just handle itself.2011-01-31 11:54:00

Author:
IAmChavez
Posts: 142

I hope they release a patch that causes the profile of everyone who obtained it illegitimately to become corrupt.

That'd serve 'em right.

It devalues the worth of the crown... once everyone has it, it becomes completely worthless as a status symbol. 		2011-01-31 12:26:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

While I don't condone it, I still don't see why people feel it's SUCH a big deal. The people who did earn it, know they earned it. If they feel angry and spiteful due to other people having it, then the only reason they want it is for bragging rights to tell people how much better they are. I'd think people who earned it, would shrug it off because they know in their hearts it was something they earned. I'm glad however, Mm is fixing the more important, game breaking stuff, rather than spending all their time trying to stop people from having a stupid little thing in-game.

Again, I do hope they fix this, but i'd prefer all the major stuff which can literally, sink the entire game, get fixed.

Once you get a crown you do feel special yes but i wouldn't go around bragging it otherwise id have photos of me with it on everywhere. Im just saying people worked hard for it and everyone having it seems pointless seen as its called a "Rare prize Crown".		2011-01-31 16:03:00

Author:
Fenderjt
Posts: 1969

Meh, wouldn't go with my costume

I guess it depends really how people go about it. If they just want one, wear it, leave it at that, I guess that's fine. It's if someone were to go around saying "ZOMG look guys I got a crown" and stuff, when really they didn't. Still, it should be patched, as it's a glitch that wasn't ment to be there.		2011-01-31 16:17:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

I can't speak for everyone with a crown, but I really couldn't care less if everyone has one. I spoke about this in another thread a couple of months ago. The crown is only meaningful to those who know they deserved it.

It's like if everyone in the world could suddenly and easily recieve a trophy for, say, the International Goat Throwing championships (I have no idea if such a championship exists, if so I would like to know more). If everyone has one, does that make it any less special for the person who actual won that championship? I wouldn't think so, because for them the meaning of the trophy is special, whereas for everyone else it's just a shiny bit of metal that falsely claims they are skilled at throwing goats. Or something.

So the crown certainly doesn't need to be discontinued. If everybody has one, and you (meaning everyone reading this, not you specifically) were awarded one personally by Mm for being a super-awesome community member, would you still consider it meaningless? I should hope not.

Goat throwing you say sir ?. In that case it may not be an international past time but I can surely accommodate http://www.entertainmentinspain.com/goat%20throwing%20jan.htm		2011-01-31 16:19:00

Author:
ghostrider135
Posts: 259

Probably imported from the beta...

Why, people? Why?		2011-01-31 16:22:00

Author:
alexbull_uk
Posts: 1287

*prepares to be bood and hated against**takes deep breath*

I feel it is unfair to blame the people that took advantage of getting a free crown, and to assume everyone that took advantage of it did so because "oh look i have a crown!" is silly. If MM overlooked this, then blaming the players is silly. I thought it was a loophole. But I wasn't in beta and people here are saying it was a glitch. I just thought it was a loophole MM failed to notice.

I know people that have taken advantage of it and wear the 'un-earned' crown, but they dont brag about it and they know it wasn't earned. They just simply like it for costumes/looks, not to make people think they're special.

A lot of people like the crown because of cosmetic reasons like any costume piece.

I do hope MM fixes this and gives the people that earned it something new. I feel strongly that at this point the old crown should be released on PSN store after a new rare item is made for past winners and future contests, and announced. I think the current crown spreading is beyond damage control, or I could be wrong. And even if the current crown was made rare again, I would think it wouldn't feel as rare as it did before the illegitimate spreading of it occured. In essence I think the current crown's worth has been permanently ruined.

More than one person in this thread including a crown earner suggested the current one should just be available for everyone now and new item made. To me this seems to be the best course of action.		2011-01-31 22:19:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

Yes, before the angry posters come and try to yell at me for posting this when there is already a thread on it, i know, i asked a question in that thread and nobody responded to it.

Anyways my q is whats up with this glitch/bug and if/when is it going to be removed? its really quite annoying seeing noobs with the crown saying that they got it from hard work or whatever when really its the other crown holders and me that did the actual hard work to get it. I suppose this does make it easier for people to copy other costumes but thats not what this feature was intended for. If MM does plan on removing it, i hope they do it soon ^^ The crown should hold its purpose of "royalty" in the fact that it is unique and only a select few can get their hands on one.


And if you are going to ask, here is a picture i took proving that I own the crown from facebook. if you need further proof im not one of these noobs i will take a screenshot of it downloadable from the "store" area of lbp2.
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1236.snc4/156817_1233918623992_1709971984_449636_3164910_n.j pg

EDIT: If you disagree with me in any saying that its perfectly fine for anyone to have the crown, you are just a jealous noob who is too lazy to earn it yourself 		2011-01-31 23:35:00

Author:
Koolieo
Posts: 68

EDIT: If you disagree with me in any saying that its perfectly fine for anyone to have the crown, you are just a jealous noob who is too lazy to earn it yourself

I like the way you think. But if this gets too out of hand for Mm to handle, they might as well release it in the store for all, then make another better item. A friend of mine told me that even though he got it(didn't deserve it), it might as well be enjoyed before it get's patched, but I doubt that will happen. I hope Mm replies about this catastrophe soon.

And here is a trick to see if this is real or not, Check the pins, or if they say the pin is a glitch, tell them to wear XX material them the crown		2011-01-31 23:44:00

Author:
Spazz
Posts: 484

I like the way you think. But if this gets too out of hand for Mm to handle, they might as well release it in the store for all, then make another better item. A friend of mine told me that even though he got it(didn't deserve it), it might as well be enjoyed before it get's patched, but I doubt that will happen. I hope Mm replies about this catastrophe soon.

And here is a trick to see if this is real or not, Check the pins, or if they say the pin is a glitch, tell them to wear XX material them the crown

yeah. well I mean they wrote the game, I wouldnt see it as that hard for them to release a patch that removes it from everyones inventory and makes it say "you cannot wear this item because you dont own the content" or whatever it is when you try to wear a costume from a pack/dlc you dont own. I wouldnt mind just doing into my purchase history or viewing it on my earth and downloading it again =P

idk this bug just really gets to me, i used to be special.. now im nobody lol >< I wont lie i like the attention 		2011-01-31 23:57:00

Author:
Koolieo
Posts: 68

I tried one of the levels, and it does work. Just like in the beta. (Deleted the Crown now, though).

This is the problem with people though. You give them the ability to share their custom costumes, but some people just aren't happy with that. No, they have to try and get things that they haven't earned/purchased... sigh.		2011-02-01 00:12:00

Author:
alexbull_uk
Posts: 1287

There's people out there that deserve the crown that don't have it because it is usually only given in create contests. No recognition for players. I know players that have accomplished things that could be considered some of the most difficult gaming feats in gaming history, but unless players from that part of the community create, then no crown.

Saying you use to be special sounds kind of snobbish even if you didn't mean it that way.

At this point it is better to release it for everyone and make a new rare item to give to past winners and for future contests.

Yes I believe MM can remove, moderate, or tag, or whatever to where the fake crowns cant be worn anymore. But at this point its worth is ruined even if they were to delete all the fake ones. It still wont be the same feeling as before everyone got to know what it was like to have one. A new rare item is the best route.		2011-02-01 00:17:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

yeah. well I mean they wrote the game, I wouldnt see it as that hard for them to release a patch that removes it from everyones inventory and makes it say "you cannot wear this item because you dont own the content" or whatever it is when you try to wear a costume from a pack/dlc you dont own. I wouldnt mind just doing into my purchase history or viewing it on my earth and downloading it again =P

idk this bug just really gets to me, i used to be special.. now im nobody lol >< I wont lie i like the attention
True. But, no one was actually special. When the first crowns came out, almost everyone with them bragged the heck out to people. People later on got one and it stopped being bragged by most. So if people who bragged complain, it was there fault. If they just didn't make crown such a big deal at the beginning, we could have different results, maybe not.		2011-02-01 00:22:00

Author:
Spazz
Posts: 484

It's MM's fault for brainwashing people into thinking this thing is so prestigious. That only the select few can have it. Then they don't protect it when they knew **** well there was a hole in it during the beta. Then they let post in forums about it go unguarded for all to see that this is going on. As far as making a new piece like everyone is purposing, you can forget that. That just means all the legit winners hard work will all be in vain. Even if they make a new one and distribute it to the past winners, it won't ever be the same.2011-02-01 00:25:00

Author:
hoosierdaddie
Posts: 24

As far as making a new piece like everyone is purposing, you can forget that. That just means all the legit winners hard work will all be in vain. Even if they make a new one and distribute it to the past winners, it won't ever be the same.

Lol, how would a new item only they have not be the same? That'd be better. The only difference is it isn't the crown that everyone has had now. It'd be worse making the crown rare again as its worth has been depleted because now most know what it's like to have one. Everyone has experienced it. Whereas a new item hasn't and could not be loopholed via sackbot.		2011-02-01 00:30:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

Totally gonna spend some time searching the community moon until I get one. Not that I really care, just so I get one before it's patched.

And maybe to find someone with a real crown and message "UMAD BRO" a million times. xD		2011-02-01 00:39:00

Author:
Voltergeist
Posts: 1702

I just found out that some people are even creating levels with STICKERED ON "Rare DLC" (Crown not so rare anymore)! I mean COME ON we're in LBP2 I thought that crap was gone! I mean sure, give away your favorite costumes and stuff BUT DON'T give away glitched "Rare DLC" and story costumes you n00bs! I think Mm should have it so you can't even save sackbots anymore, it was great at first so you could give people your costume but now all it is is stupid stuff you can get from actually playing the game correctly!!!2011-02-01 02:51:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

Just FYI - this is actually a QUADruplicate thread - lol! I have merged it with the most relevant of the two still open, with an expiring redirect so that others can find it in the menu.
As for the question in the OP, I don't think anyone here could know that unless they are Mm employees *looks discreetly at a couple of members here*		2011-02-01 02:59:00

Author:
BabyDoll1970
Posts: 1567

ARRRGGGHHHH!!!!! Now that I think about it I would have waited until summer for this game to come out!! In create mode I just found out ANOTHER, yes ANOTHER way to glitch the rare DLC!!! (Very hard to do) MediaMolecule if you are reading this I would have gladly waited A LOT longer for this game to come out rather than having almost all the glitches from the beta hanging about!2011-02-01 03:04:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

I think everyone is getting a little to worked up about this. Now we've got people running around callin everyone noobs, getting angry. Instead of getting angry at the people who are walkin around with these "fake" crowns, you should be wondering about whoever actually had the crown and shared it in the first place. Or why this wasn't fixed even though it ran rampant in the BETA. Mostly kooleio sticks out here in my mind. You are basically dissing everyone who never had a crown, like you are one of the vengeful gods of little big planet. If you never had this crown before it would be in one of your glitch levels RIGHT NOW. I'm gonna go get one for myself right now. And I'm gonna wear it all the time. Hate me. I don't care, most of you guys are acting like your so much better than those of us without. If that's your attitude, I'd say I deserve to wear it just as much.2011-02-01 03:35:00

Author:
Kitkasumass
Posts: 494

I will never win a crown, I know this, I can't compete with all the extremely talented creators out there who enter these crown competitions--on the other hand, didn't a guy get a crown for taking a photo of himself with an MM or LBP logo somewhere? And I've seen at least one unimpressive crown winning level out there, but I'm not complaining, so-be-it! That's fine, really, someone decides these things & its not me, I can deal with that. But now, crowns are being given away & I'm supposed to be a saint? Get outta here! What are you all, promise ring wearers?2011-02-01 06:22:00

Author:
ApeCheese
Posts: 369

I will never win a crown, I know this, I can't compete with all the extremely talented creators out there who enter these crown competitions--on the other hand, didn't a guy get a crown for taking a photo of himself with an MM or LBP logo somewhere? And I've seen at least one unimpressive crown winning level out there, but I'm not complaining, so-be-it! That's fine, really, someone decides these things & its not me, I can deal with that. But now, crowns are being given away & I'm supposed to be a saint? Get outta here! What are you all, promise ring wearers?


Haha. Now their just another small fish in a big pond again. Media Molecule can't blame anyone but themselves. They screwed the pooch on this one.		2011-02-01 07:58:00

Author:
hoosierdaddie
Posts: 24

I sense a Crown MK2 in the works............either that or a patch. Maybe having to have the "Royalty" pin, then you can use it. Since you can only get it from Mm. But hey, i'm no programmer.2011-02-01 08:04:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

Giving these people the excuse of getting this stuff is like saying it's alright for someone to rob a bank because it might possible with no repercussions & the law should just somehow make it impossible. They just don't want to recognize right from wrong. In the end it is still theft, things don't need a physical form for it to be theft. I f these people are not banned they will just hack through the next patch & free release more & more dlc, even if it's just a few doing the hacking the same people will follow their lead & think it's ok & use it anyways again just like they are doing with this stuff. A lot of you seem to be defending these people thinking they will stop with the crown when they have already done more than release just that. Now we will get patches to fix this instead of add on dlc earlier instead & you say there is no problem with that, let them do it, there is no effect of them costing mm money it doesn't effect anyone. What are you guys talking about, seriously? This happening at just the release of the game will probably make other companies think twice about allowing mm to use their copyrighted content. Cause they will wonder if they will even be able to make money or if they will be giving it all away for free because of people like this. You people that act like innocent people on here are really greedy & a lot of you show it in times like this. I for one don't need a crown MM has given me tons of costume pieces to make a infinite number of costumes already.2011-02-01 08:49:00

Author:
IAmChavez
Posts: 142

The only point is reporting the levels officially and have MM and Sony deal with it with bans and others.
The DLC are pieces of software, giving them away without the permission of the owner is actually pirating, even if the aggravating circumstance of lucre doesn't set up, it's still a crime, not only an Eula infringement.
Sony especially will be pleased to show some muscles wherever it can lately.		2011-02-01 09:01:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

sackbot costume copy is a complete fail...

all lbp1 costumes, the crown and what next all our paid for dlc??
how annoying		2011-02-01 09:49:00

Author:
reefer007
Posts: 54

I have mixed feelings about the one who gave away their crown in the first place. On one hand they are nice enough to share, because LBP is play, create (to earn crown), share (to give it away), lol. They risked getting banned or frowned upon to share the crown with the world. That's an ironic way to look at it. But on the other hand MM did not intend for it to be given away to just anyone. It was a special gift from MM to creators that earned it through winning contest or other special means.

It's as though Robin Hood got himself a crown, just giving to the poor.		2011-02-01 10:24:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

I sense a Crown MK2 in the works............either that or a patch. Maybe having to have the "Royalty" pin, then you can use it. Since you can only get it from Mm. But hey, i'm no programmer.
Yeah I bet they'll fix something like that up... I hope!

But whatever, someone wants to cheat and get an achievement they don't deserve? If it makes them feel better, go ahead.
Getting a crown is just not about the item, it's more about knowing that you're so **** good at LBP, MM gotta go and say "hey, good job there!".

However, I hope there will be a patch that gets rid of any sort of cheating such as this.

Also, thanks for the heads up, who knows what sort of repercussions sony could take against people who obtain DLC illegally. It'd be quite a bother having my little sisters account banned.		2011-02-01 12:02:00

Author:
ll_ye
Posts: 236

I don't care enough about digital crowns to snag a free one, if I ever get a crown I'd rather it be earned but the fragility of a lot of creators egos are on full display here now they think 'normal' players might join their secret crown club. Sure it's not fair, but is it really that important? When I make levels I want people to enjoy the experience they have, not bow to me and praise me as part of some sort of elite LBP master race. Humility is dead it would seem.2011-02-01 12:15:00

Author:
SeanyC-SeanyDo
Posts: 115

I don't think getting the crown via a glitch is a bad thing, at least people get a new costume part. But I'm not saying it shouldn't be fixed. In my opinion, the Royalty Pin looks much cooler than the crown itself, well, at least the pin's existence is much cooler than the crown.2011-02-01 14:20:00

Author:
Saku401
Posts: 83

IMHO there are bigger problems in LBP2 for Media Molecule to spend time on.

And for those trying to justify getting a glitch crown: If you want to fool yourselves, go ahead. But don't bother honest people with your delusions about Mm and the Evil Crown Winners made you do it.		2011-02-01 14:21:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

Some of you are not looking at the big picture here. This is a glitch. That means a small segment of glitched code is being passed from one PS3 to another. The more this happens the more unstable the entire LBP platform becomes. Glitches get worse the more they are copied. This is very not good.

So there is more reason to be concerned here other than the obviously low morals of those who take advantage of something like this.		2011-02-01 14:39:00

Author:
Biv
Posts: 734

Most of the people wearing "these crowns" are poor creators with a moon fully of copied levels. I feel that I am a good creator. A matter a fact I think a deserve one, but I dont want it unless Mm wants me to have it. Levels are like children, you will always love your levels and think your levels are great. While other people think otherwise.2011-02-01 15:04:00

Author:
sascha_winter
Posts: 163

I'd rather earn my crown then just get it off the "streets." I know that I'll prolly never get a crown and I'm content with that, I'd rather be the legit fool without a crown then a complete fool who has a fake crown.2011-02-01 15:19:00

Author:
Ghost
Posts: 114

Giving these people the excuse of getting this stuff is like saying it's alright for someone to rob a bank

Oh so now we're putting this crown glitch in the same category as robbing a bank. Awesome. I'll be sure to call my local sheriffs office and report any suspicious activity. I'm gonna pretend I'm Dr. Octavious for a second and give you 8 facepalms.		2011-02-01 15:30:00

Author:
hoosierdaddie
Posts: 24

I think being able to share costumes via Sackbots is a brilliant feature. I don't think it needs removing.

I don't see why everyone is so worked up, though. It does annoy me that people have to try and get things they shouldn't, but what does it matter? I mean, why do people care who has a Crown? As long as you know you earned yours, surely that's enough?

Hmm.		2011-02-01 15:56:00

Author:
alexbull_uk
Posts: 1287

I'm more mad at the one beta participant who decided to give it to someone they couldn't trust.Most of my friends who managed to successfully import their beta saves swore not to let this get out,I would assume this was the case for others because I didn't see any crown give away levels before last week.2011-02-01 21:33:00

Author:
Unknown User

Yeah I bet they'll fix something like that up... I hope!

But whatever, someone wants to cheat and get an achievement they don't deserve? If it makes them feel better, go ahead.
Getting a crown is just not about the item, it's more about knowing that you're so **** good at LBP, MM gotta go and say "hey, good job there!".

However, I hope there will be a patch that gets rid of any sort of cheating such as this.

Also, thanks for the heads up, who knows what sort of repercussions sony could take against people who obtain DLC illegally. It'd be quite a bother having my little sisters account banned.

Whoa, whoa, whoa there! Rewind . . .

Since when do people get crowns for being good at LBP? As far as I know you only get crowns for being good creator and winning said create contest or for doing something unique for community, like person that got crown for making an animated LBP short.

There are players out there that deserve the crown, but they get no recognition. Saying good at LBP is definitly a wrong statement.

Also, not everyone who gets the crown free gets it because they think it makes them special. Many do it because they can and its a nice looking costume piece.

EDIT: Sony isn't going to do anything to those that got it free for multiple reasons . . .

1. It isn't the players fault. It is part MM's fault and part whoever gave their crown away using the loophole MM failed to notice.

2. There are kids and people that don't even know the crown is a special gift from MM for winning contests or etc. This of course isn't their fault for not knowing origin of the crown.

and 3. You really think theyd penalize or punish 50% or more of LBP players? That would put a dent in the game and be bad for the game. I know some respected members of these forums that got the crown free, but they dont wear it because they know they didnt earn it. And I'm not giving names because these people have good reputations. And they aren't wrong for taking advantage of this.		2011-02-01 23:01:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

So..Angriness.Because on your TV..the little pixels have been told to form, by their master, into a purple and gold crown shape. Call the TV Crews. PRAISE THE LORD.

Let them have it. They didn't work for it, so they don't have the satisfaction. Their friends will go " OH MI GOSH OH MI GOSH gimme crwn nw noob or i wll bng u" Does this affect your lives, if someone has a crown? After ranting, you will continue with your day, however you choose to continue with it. What's the big deal?		2011-02-01 23:14:00

Author:
Unknown User

Also I don't think it's illegal to get a prize bubble from in the game and use the item inside the prize bubble. Also I'd like to say that I'm not using this crown to pretend I won it. It just looks sweet. If any one asked I would say that I got from someone else somehow. And also it doesn't make me forget what it means to have won the crown originally. People like jump_button and Nuclearfish and whoever else won it are still very awesome in my book. It's just upsetting that people embrace every glitch in the game and are ready to use them to do things they couldn't before. But this glitch is not okay? Because it's a rare costume piece instead of an extra million layers? Neither were meant to be there. I also want to say that I only singled out kooleio, not because I don't like him or anything, but because he is mostly popular in LBP due to his glitch levels and now he's callin everyone noobs because they are using this glitch. There's a ton of other people on this forum that feel the same way, but they probably don't want to be looked down by the people of this site. I'm not saying that it was right to import all these glitches from the BETA or however they did it. But if it is there, and every one else online in LBP2 gets to use it I'm not gonna keep it away from myself just because it used to be rare. If people around this forum shun me because of it, so be it.2011-02-01 23:28:00

Author:
Kitkasumass
Posts: 494

Has anyone considered the possibility that the Crown was stolen from someone who rightfully earned it? You know, with that stealing costumes thing. The person who earned the Crown fairly was probably wearing it in Create Mode, then a...err...'friend' of theirs joins and steals their current costume (I won't disclose how that's done, but I'm sure the majority of you already know), then bam, they stick it in a prize bubble and release it to the community.
Either that, or the person who rightfully owned the Crown did it themselves as an act of kindness. Or trolling. But I'm sure a troll wouldn't have a Crown given to them by Mm.

As for the issue itself, I honestly think everybody's over-reacting about this. So everybody gets a super duper rare costume piece, while certain people earned that costume piece fair and square. Yeah, it isn't fair. And? It's just a costume item. It's not going to directly affect anyone playing the game, and it's certainly not a 'game-breaking' bug/glitch. Let them wear the Crown for a while, it's a nice costume item and it's fun to decorate. I earned my Crown with some hard work, and I see it as a reward for that, but I think the better reward is that I've made people happy, and that's good enough for me. The people who got the Crown for 'free' from that exploited glitch don't get that satisfaction. The Crown won't mean anything to them, because they didn't do a thing to earn it. But the Crown does mean something to those who did earn it fairly, and that's what it's for. It's a reward for what they've done, and no matter how many people get it for 'free', it's still going to mean something to them.
Think of it this way...Say a friend of yours, someone you love, whoever you look up to, or even a fan of yours, gives you something. It might be a plain old object that thousands or millions of other people in the world, or it might be pretty rare, but it'll still be really meaningful to you regardless. Now I'm not saying it's okay to go around and lie to people, telling them that you got the Crown from Mm, nor am I saying that it's totally fine that people are exploiting such a glitch to selfishly benefit themselves - What I'm saying is that what's done is done.

The point is: It doesn't matter what it is, but what matters is why it was given to you.

I'm terrible with getting a point across and end up going on and on about it since I don't know how to explain it properly, but I hope you know what I mean.
Mm's gonna patch it, and that'll be that. It's not something to get that worked up about.		2011-02-02 00:05:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

That actually doesn't work on costumes with DLC that you do not have.This "bug" was created through hacking(I was good friends with the person who made it and I had nothing to do with this little hoopla.) This is nothing more then a carry over from the beta.2011-02-02 03:09:00

Author:
Unknown User

So does this only work on the crown? Or does it work on the 2 beta outfits, Qore Cap and original week one shirt too?2011-02-02 05:58:00

Author:
The Last Stop
Posts: 240

I think a quick fix would be to simply make certain costumes "unwearable" for sackbots. Mainly the crown, but possibly the pre-order DLC as well.2011-02-02 06:13:00

Author:
Willah
Posts: 54

There are players out there that deserve the crown, but they get no recognition. Saying good at LBP is definitly a wrong statement.

Just because someone thinks they deserve, doesn't mean they can have.
And I'm only worried. Because it seems sony doesn't really care much/think very highly about the user once you bought something from them. For example, take a look at the dropped otherOS support. Or the poor YLOD response. But they sure as hell DO scout out people who gameshare.
Of course I don't know if MM or Sony runs online, but I think Sony does.		2011-02-02 06:50:00

Author:
ll_ye
Posts: 236

If you dont own the DLC you shouldnt be useing it, you wouldn't shoot a policeman.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg&playnext=1&list=PLBCED0025D548840B		2011-02-02 07:11:00

Author:
jump_button
Posts: 1014

Some people will try their best to get something they shouldnt have if its up for grabs for FREE!
If someone sees the word FREE obviously they are going to get it lol who wouldnt? Well some people wouldnt but the majority of LBP would.

Everyone who now have the crown as its too late to fix and new ones should be given to the ones who earned it.

Its exciting to have something to work hard for and to feel special and happy when youve won it. I know it creates arguments and trouble but its still a good point to the game right? I loved trying to get the crown lol and when i won it i screamed. Im not that bothered about it now but it was fun competing to get it!

Everyone has their own opinion 		2011-02-02 10:54:00

Author:
Fenderjt
Posts: 1969

I don't know why you guys think there will be no way to fix this.

Remember the early days of LBP, when people could get free working paintinators and other MGS4 from copyable levels? Only reason why that didn't spread like crazy was because the cool levels shown the same exact level 24/7. And they fixed that. People paid money for that. And the same can go for some of the DLC now being spread (All 3 1 Week T's costed $5)

And MM has fixen glitches before that were widely used by everyone and these were more harmless than the ones now going around. Anti-Color and Thick-Thin for example

And compensating people who bought/earned theses special DLC isn't going to end up pleasent.

I'll be using an example inspired from our dear ladies here.

Spaff: "Hey All, we've done all we could, but we couldn't fix the free DLC glitch. Because of that we'll be raising prices of our DLC, and giving previous crown winners Tiaras!

Girls: OMG!
Guys: WHAT?!		2011-02-02 17:26:00

Author:
JKthree
Posts: 1125

Spaff already posted on the other forum that they are aware of this and they are fixing it. As far as keeping it, you won't be able to. So once it's patched it will be gone.2011-02-02 17:59:00

Author:
hoosierdaddie
Posts: 24

Just because someone thinks they deserve, doesn't mean they can have.

You missed my point. I didn't say people that think they deserve it should have it. I was saying there is no recognition for players, like play competitions where you can win a crown. And the things pro players do in LBP would suprise you, even unhuman as I've heard players outside that crowd say. I have to say pro LBP platforming now since LBP2 has large emphasis on different genres. No such thing as pro LBP player anymore with LBP2, just pro LBP platforming (heart of LBP). There are a lot of pro platformists I know that I'm sure would love to compete in a play competition for a crown, and when I say play I mean pro play, but everyone regardless of skill/rep could enter. If I knew MM would give crown for a play competition (even if it wasn't just platforming, like multi-genre) I would try organizing one and running it through with MM.


If you dont own the DLC you shouldnt be useing it, you wouldn't shoot a policeman.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALZZx1xmAzg&playnext=1&list=PLBCED0025D548840B

Lol!

Unlike payable DLC crown is free, therefor no piracy. ^_~

But I get what you meant. ^_^		2011-02-02 23:31:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

@Hana_Kami

No offense but what you are saying has no point at all. MM said the glitch will be fixed and the people who obtained the crown this way will be stripped. So obviously your opinion has no pull at all.		2011-02-03 00:14:00

Author:
hoosierdaddie
Posts: 24

Yeah...It's gonna be patched, so that's that. I don't think there's any need for this thread anymore...Time for a lock?2011-02-03 00:30:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

No, this thread should keep going until Mm shows us that they have fixed the problem 2011-02-03 00:31:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

No, this thread should keep going until Mm shows us that they have fixed the problem

True. So I guess we just need to wait, then...I'm sure it'll be fixed in the patch.		2011-02-03 00:34:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Yeah, I wasn't trying to be a jerk or anything! I just want this thread open until Mm really shows us that ALL of this is patched 2011-02-03 00:37:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

@Hana_Kami

No offense but what you are saying has no point at all. MM said the glitch will be fixed and the people who obtained the crown this way will be stripped. So obviously your opinion has no pull at all.

My post had nothing to do with MM fixing this. My post also had no opinion in it. I replied to ll_ye's misunderstanding of an earlier post of mine, and also replied to jump_button's video.		2011-02-03 01:57:00

Author:
Hana_Kami
Posts: 393

Well so much for the "unique" lbp crown

Although I have formed a equation:

Hacked crown + showing it to friends to impress them = loss of respect + 0 dignity		2011-02-03 02:12:00

Author:
AssassinatorRFC
Posts: 715

Well so much for the "unique" lbp crown

Although I have formed a equation:

Hacked crown + showing it to friends to impress them = loss of respect + 0 dignity
Well the crown will most likely become "unique" again after the update (Or so they say...) Actually when I first got the crown I showed it off to warlord_evil as a joke So warlord if your reading this sowwy 		2011-02-03 02:17:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

LOL When I was in LBP2 beta, I managed to trick a flliping badmouthed 8 year old into think I actually had a crown. What I did was I wear the same costume with the crown around him, and when we play LBP1, I just tell him in text "can't find it atm". Three weeks later, he finally realized that my crown was fake, and layed down a big list of swears on me. He is a very gullible person, that S-TAPOUT-S.

And, as for this bug, it should be fixed. NAO! >		2011-02-03 02:23:00

Author:
madmarsrocks
Posts: 83

S-TAPOUT-S needs better parents, and knowledge of stuff happening... I've actually seen many hate levels and comments about him! D: Sorta off topic; I think Mm should give the Crown to people who are also very kind and helpful online, and even Mods and admins on LBP fansites.2011-02-03 02:29:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

S-TAPOUT-S needs better parents, and knowledge of stuff happening... I've actually seen many hate levels and comments about him! D: Sorta off topic; I think Mm should give the Crown to people who are also very kind and helpful online, and even Mods and admins on LBP fansites.

You're correct, chinook3, his PSN comment (Last time I was online) said "KILLING MYSELF". He has the LBP2 CE...
but I have the Week 1 Shirt for LBP2, and I'm not giving it away! Nope!		2011-02-03 02:34:00

Author:
madmarsrocks
Posts: 83

I posted this on this thread a while ago but no one noticed so... Hazbell hacked into LBP2 and now has LBP Week 1, Bug Blaster, Crown, etc. ... No they're not the costumes like people are given out they're the actully costume piece in the correct categories as if he bought them... He also stated that he cannot place these on SackBots or else his PS3 freezes...2011-02-03 04:04:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

I posted this on this thread a while ago but no one noticed so... Hazbell hacked into LBP2 and now has LBP Week 1, Bug Blaster, Crown, etc. ... No they're not the costumes like people are given out they're the actully costume piece in the correct categories as if he bought them... He also stated that he cannot place these on SackBots or else his PS3 freezes...

He said that? He might be trolling. The PS3 freeze if you put it on a sackbot seems like a very lame excuse. Imma say that hazbell is faking it.


I think Mm should give the Crown to people who are also very kind and helpful online, and even Mods and admins on LBP fansites.

They do, all mods & admins on LittleBigLand got a Rare (Not so rare anymore) Prize Crown.		2011-02-03 04:27:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

You guys are making too big a deal of this. Is it a problem? Sure, I guess. Is it something to freak out about and write pages of repetitive posts about? No. For the record, I snagged one of these "stolen" crowns on the off chance that I might someday want to make a king character sackbot in a level. If it gets patched as people have said, then oh well: I'm not a big fan of medieval settings and such so I probably would never have used it.

Anyway, this thread is going nowhere and is just repeated rants of "Wah! People shouldn't steal crowns!," or "Wah! People should stop complaining about us stealing crowns!" so I think it's time for a lock.		2011-02-03 05:34:00

Author:
Sehven
Posts: 2188


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