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Join A LBP2 Game Development Team of Skilled Creators...

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We No Longer Need Any More Logic Based Creators, Sound Designers or Thinkers.
If you are skilled in DESIGN please read this thread!




This is a final call for anyone who has not yet seen me in LBPP2 who wants to be apart of our team, if you don't see your name on the list but think you should be this coluld be down to 2 reasons:

I forgot to add you - in which case you should leave a comment here.

You haven't verified your membership by meeting me on LBP2.

PLEASE GET SORTED AS THIS THREAD WILL BE STOPPING VERY SHORTLY


http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/9571/pie8.png

Hi guys,

I've been getting stuck into LBP2 lately and was toying with the idea of creating a Game Dev Team for LBP2!

(Here's a level I created to guide you through the following job list and give you more of an idea who I'm looking for.)


http://ib.lbp.me/img/bl/90b2d9922585a764f3a1633f27e9b7cc32a4e803.png

Looking For Skilled Creators... (http://lbp.me/v/w14qjf)

CREATORS

A creator would create contraptions, level layouts, monsters etc.

THINKERS

Got a nice brain on ya? think up monsters, scenarios, level ideas, mini games you name it you think it!

DESIGNERS

Drawing, Styling, Stickerizing, etc.

SOUND DESIGNERS

Vitally importance for ambiance, a sound designer would work along side the designer to make sure the two jell.

As you can see I'm not limiting this dev team application to anyon, almost all LBPers have at least one of these skills.

What Type Of Games?

I'm looking at creating:


Minigames, episodic (yeah - that is a word) games, cutscene-games, top-down.
Nice bright styles and well jelled music.
Games that make you feel you would have spend ?200 on LBP2 basically.


I have a few ideas up my sleeve for new games, but I'd love to hear your ideas.

What's The Dev Team's Name?

That's for you to decide! I will be working on blogger to create a diary/blog for the dev group and we'll also use it for member notices.

EDIT: Game Dev Team is now called 8 Pie!

Game Dev Contacting?

LBCentral.com PM's and PS3 Friends Message Box.

How Will We Set Out Games To Create?

Here's how I'm picturing it:


A CREATOR, THINKER, DESIGNER or SOUND DESIGNER comus up with a game idea/concept.

Talks with a CREATOR(/THINKER) to map it out in cardboard(/in pencil or pen), very basically in LBP2 (/on paper).

DESIGNER comes up with a theme.

The game is uploaded and copyable then the DESIGNER adds the theme and stickers.

SOUND DESIGNER comes up with basic tune and elaborates after playing the designed game.

A CREATOR adds detail and creates monsters, circuits etc whilst.

DESIGNER and SOUND Designer finish of their work (sounds, stickers, lighting, etc.)


Pretty Simple compared to LBP2's complexity.


Extra Notes...

Our logo will be added on every level we complete.

The logo will depend on the name of the team obviously.

If you have any questions post them here

Thanks for reading!

Who's In Already?

Makrotez (Me, I'll be sorting everyone out and helping with communication/DESIGNER.)
Genep72 (CREATOR - specifically: logic based.)
frozenlava1 (CREATOR - again specifically logic based.)
Alexxerth (THINKER - thinking up ideas for new games and existing ones)
Ash_UK1 (CREATOR/MUSIC DESIGNER - A Clever logic and object creator plus a musician.)
ktmbillyjr (SOUND DESIGNER - sweet music!)
Jetstream1411 (CREATOR - extrordinair!)
linkstar (DESIGNER - awesome!)
The Comedian (CREATOR)
Shadow_Wolf_1987 (DESIGNER/THINKER)
Shuriken_Star (CREATOR/THINKER)
jgsstl (DESIGN - great at finishing touches)
SLS (CREATOR - really amazing stuff!)
TrjnUsc3 (CREATOR)

If I've missed anyone out please tell me!!



Don't see your name? read the quote at the top of this post...

Combined - We'll Be Awesome!		2011-01-26 13:34:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

Where would a logic person fall into? I only ask that because that's where I generally fall.

Suggestion: A level is created to take a password which gives the key to the level that is being passed. With pm's on this site to send the new passwords , it's theif proof!

EDIT: I say this in that while my logic is great, my bosses look really junky, like adulderated meats.		2011-01-26 20:06:00

Author:
Unknown User

You would fall under a Creator, it's all mix and match though really genep

A DESIGNER could design the monsters whilst you do the logic

I'm looking at your LBP levels now, Pixilated is great! the logic is simple but sound and you seem to have a good grasp of how to use complicated logic!

Your in genep72! Well Done.		2011-01-26 21:51:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

lol, teams.

So what would I be? I'm messing about with top-down stuff right now... 		2011-01-26 22:06:00

Author:
SLS10
Posts: 1129

Yep! a Dev Team like MM or Infinity Ward

What can you contribute/offer to the team? logic expertise/creator abilities right?

Thanks for the post SLS10.		2011-01-26 22:15:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

im up for sound designer my psn is ktmbillyjr i could show you what i have for projects with the music sequencer.2011-01-26 22:44:00

Author:
ktmbillyjr
Posts: 177

Sounds awesome! (if you can excuse the pun ) Are you on LBP now? (added u)2011-01-26 23:13:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

lol, teams.

So what would I be? I'm messing about with top-down stuff right now...

Hard to believe that I may end up designing with someone who's levels I played. The song dosen't lie! It is a small world after all!		2011-01-27 00:20:00

Author:
Unknown User

Sounds awesome! (if you can excuse the pun ) Are you on LBP now? (added u)
ill go on right now		2011-01-27 00:53:00

Author:
ktmbillyjr
Posts: 177

I could join your team as a logic-person. I haven't published any levels because none are finished, but I have allot of great logic things I have already created, just no level to go with it. Currently I have created towers for a tower defense I am making that target "GroundMeanie", "AirMeania", and "ManualTarget". These are set to priorities, so it will always aim for manual target, then air target, then ground target. They also can upgrade up to level 3 as of now, and there appearance. damage, range, and fire rate increase with each level. Some towers have slow and DOT too. On top of that, I have a 3D FPS Hud I made. Unfortunately you can't walk forward with it, but it creates a 3D world so I think it is still pretty awesome. If you want to see any proof I have done this stuff, just add me and I will show it to you.2011-01-27 02:19:00

Author:
Daldrez
Posts: 63

I have incredible ideas but I can not create anything....at all. This would be perfect for me if I can be a thinker! I draw out ideas on paper but can't make them function or detailed enough in LBP so I am applying. You can check out some of my earlier places, they have good ideas but I just can't seem to put it into the game right. A team is the place for me 2011-01-27 02:31:00

Author:
Alexxerth
Posts: 233

Eh... I tried firing up a create team before, didn't work well. Some of the most effective level makers are solitary creatures, really. :B

That being said, I'm a well-rounded kind of dude - logic's nice, decor is pretty enough to be admired. I could contribute maybe a vehicle or a platforming sequence or two if I can spare the time. And if I like the project. :B		2011-01-27 02:55:00

Author:
SLS10
Posts: 1129

I would love to join this team, mainly as a creator (logic based). My PSN is frozenlava1. Add me, and we can set up a time to get on together, and I'll show you some of my work so far (I don't have any finished levels yet, too many ideas at once XD). I would be happy to be a part of this team.2011-01-27 02:56:00

Author:
Unknown User

I could join your team as a logic-person. I haven't published any levels because none are finished, but I have allot of great logic things I have already created, just no level to go with it. Currently I have created towers for a tower defense I am making that target "GroundMeanie", "AirMeania", and "ManualTarget". These are set to priorities, so it will always aim for manual target, then air target, then ground target. They also can upgrade up to level 3 as of now, and there appearance. damage, range, and fire rate increase with each level. Some towers have slow and DOT too. On top of that, I have a 3D FPS Hud I made. Unfortunately you can't walk forward with it, but it creates a 3D world so I think it is still pretty awesome. If you want to see any proof I have done this stuff, just add me and I will show it to you.

Sounds really good Daldrez! I've added you to my friends list soon.


I have incredible ideas but I can not create anything....at all. This would be perfect for me if I can be a thinker! I draw out ideas on paper but can't make them function or detailed enough in LBP so I am applying. You can check out some of my earlier places, they have good ideas but I just can't seem to put it into the game right. A team is the place for me

I was looking for a good THINKER it's an important role, I'll add you as a friend - I want to show you a few things on LBP when you get the chance, just to see if you'll be able to do things like:

- leave notes for people,
- upload things etc.

(sounds good though )


Eh... I tried firing up a create team before, didn't work well. Some of the most effective level makers are solitary creatures, really. :B

That being said, I'm a well-rounded kind of dude - logic's nice, decor is pretty enough to be admired. I could contribute maybe a vehicle or a platforming sequence or two if I can spare the time. And if I like the project. :B

I have high hopes for this Team

I'm glad you decided to offer your experience, I can see you've had a lot of success in LBP already I'm about to look at your levels now (system update just poped up) preferably it would be better to have a DESIGNER as there seems to be a lot of CREATORS popping up But what ever floats your boat.



I would love to join this team, mainly as a creator (logic based). My PSN is frozenlava1. Add me, and we can set up a time to get on together, and I'll show you some of my work so far (I don't have any finished levels yet, too many ideas at once XD). I would be happy to be a part of this team.


I'll add you once my system updates (taking a while) It seems like you'll have a lot of people to create logic with atm! thanks for your reply frozenlava1 (I like your enthusiasm)

EDIT/UPDATE: Just added everyone, confirm my friend requests guys (my id is Makrotez by the way.)		2011-01-27 08:53:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

i would love to be a part of this, i would be a thinker and designer. i have good ideas, and am good at makeing some types of machines, more like contraptions.2011-01-27 10:26:00

Author:
flamesterart
Posts: 585

Sounds good flamesterart, are you on lbp2 now? can I look at your work with you?

EDIT: Just had a look at your artwork - it's awesome! I also do alot of cartoon artwork - non digital and digital, also animations, maybe we could incorporate that into a level sackboy

Update: Just created the blog, name and design of our dev team: 8 Pie (8P for short) logo ii awesome (request and I'll show you it on my moon.) Blog URL: http://8pie.blogspot.com/		2011-01-27 10:30:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

I got an idea for a level, still thinking of the main game mechanics, it is gonna be a top-down game.2011-01-27 12:28:00

Author:
Alexxerth
Posts: 233

We're working on one already, I need to meet you on LBP soon too remember, to verify you'll can join he newly name 8 Pie dev team, thanks for taking te time to come up with one though we could make it next if it's any good! 2011-01-27 13:10:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

I was thinking we should make a level that only members could enter, to chat and think of ideas or something.2011-01-27 20:11:00

Author:
Unknown User

I was thinking we should make a level that only members could enter, to chat and think of ideas or something.

On the topic of privacy, i just whipped up a new logic based code input so that when logic and desings are shared, we can pm the code and keep them private. Anyone reading this post can have the system after I publish it for all I care. The code for the system is 113.		2011-01-27 20:52:00

Author:
Unknown User

I am going on LBP now if you are online, just invite me to your pod when I get online.2011-01-27 22:09:00

Author:
Alexxerth
Posts: 233

genep, I will install that tomorrow, thanks very much for all your help, same with you Alex! =D You can both see the logo on it now once you get the key (slightly coded =D)2011-01-28 00:05:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

hi i found this thread this morning and i want to get involved but im gonna have to warn you that i won't be on a whole lot because of school and other stuff but I'll try to be on every night as much as possible.
that aside i would like to offer up my creator skills. reading through some of the posts there appear to be a lot of logic creators so i will offer up my skills in other areas of creating (that is if there are any)
i'll be on tonight for a while so i might be able to give you a tour of my stuff
my psn is TH3 C0M3D1AN (with a zero not an O)
just shoot me a fiend request or something but i won't be on lbpc as i will be on the ps3 (different areas of the house)
thanks for reading this rather long post :-)		2011-01-28 02:20:00

Author:
The Comedian
Posts: 113

I have most of the ideas for a game down, once we are done with the current project I will tell you on LBP.2011-01-28 02:23:00

Author:
Alexxerth
Posts: 233

@ the comedian

Although we already have 2 people working on logic, it seems it's not enough to get through everything as quick as needed, on this project it's all about logic, I've already designed the layout, (maybe you could help with the sounds? we don't have anyone working on sounds yet, although I'm waiting on someone - we need a few tacks made)

@Alex

Sounds good, I think I might take a few days break after this project though ;D

PS. Most of us are on different time-zones so it's hard to find a time when we're all on, I'm in england and I think everyone else is in America - to my knowledge.		2011-01-28 10:44:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

so count me in. my speciality is mechanics and thinking im great at analysing an idea and making it work!2011-01-28 11:28:00

Author:
malteseassassin
Posts: 66

ok malteseassassin, thanks for offering your talent! can I look at some of your levels in about 2 hrs? I'll add you to the teams list on pie8.blogspot.com.

Are you any good at music? we need someone ho can do that (we need some another good thinker too! )

Thanks again (liked your level 'how not to make a level' btw)		2011-01-28 11:58:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

@ the comedian

Although we already have 2 people working on logic, it seems it's not enough to get through everything as quick as needed, on this project it's all about logic, I've already designed the layout, (maybe you could help with the sounds? we don't have anyone working on sounds yet, although I'm waiting on someone - we need a few tacks made)


i watched my little brother tinker with music some and i think i have the basics down and i am a musician (i play bass guitar) so that may help but i'm no great composer and depending on how soon you want it done it may not be very fancy at all
but if it's just a matter of entering in a song that has already been written then i'm your man
btw i'm in the us, west coast
also i would like to take a look at the current project so if whoever is in charge of it could help me out?		2011-01-29 05:16:00

Author:
The Comedian
Posts: 113

I Would like to join i'm good a coming up with designs and contraptions I am also alright With logic based stuff i only have on published level but all it has is a vehicle that i made i have others in the process but can never seem to completely finish a level which is why i think a team would be good for me Im geussing I would fall under the THINKER category PSN: TrjnUsc32011-01-29 05:41:00

Author:
Unknown User

Lol development teams. Cool idea. Perfect for people who lack motivation in some areas of level design and can't finish levels themselves.... like me. 2011-01-29 07:25:00

Author:
TheJollyRajah
Posts: 466

Hey my PSN is caren65

I'm good at thinking up ideas and creating artwork. (Stickers also)		2011-01-29 09:58:00

Author:
Unknown User

I don't have so much time to actively joint a dev team.
But what sucked to me since LBP one is that in the Friendlist of me (and my 4 brothers) there are 'strange' persons (mostly invited by my youngest brother) and none of the EVER did creative mode with me.
So some people to go creative with would be cool!

My NEW stuffs in LBP 2 now:
Railgun Tank thread here on LBPC for more info bout it. (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=45263-The5-present...-The-Railgun-Tank!-WIP)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17364025/Images/Temp/LBP%202%20Railgun%20Tank%20Preview%20SS%201%20LBPC .jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17364025/Images/Temp/VTOL.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/17364025/Images/Temp/Railgun%20Tank%20WIP%201.jpg		2011-01-29 10:04:00

Author:
The5
Posts: 51

Thanks to everybody for all your interest, it seems alot of you arn't getting very far though, to be accepted you must join me and show me what you can do (on a small scale) in LBP2.

@The Comedian,

I tried putting in your user iD but it didn't work (3 times) can you friend request me iD: Makrotez
I'd love to give you a tour of our first level, can you connect to LBP2 at about 8 (at night - Central European Time GMT+1)
It's a very early beta at the moment - needs a lot of logic work and a bit of design and we haven't even started with the sound, but it is awesome.
Thanks for your interest and enthusiasm!

@Trjnusc3,

Sounds like you bee good in the THINKER group (as you said), DESIGNER/CREATOR group. I'd like to see what you can do, can you give me a quick guide within the next few days? Thanks! (friend requested you)

Caren65,

We need another DESIGNER, if you would be interested? also I'd like as well to see some of your work with in the few days!
Thanks - friend requested you.

@The5,
wowza! that loos awesome, we could really do with your experience and expertise in design and logic! if you could find some time that would be awesome! the team is becoming very large now so most people aren't spending a great amount of time but are still making great progress and, at the moment, an awesome level!		2011-01-29 16:24:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

im interested in joining too add me and ill show you my level as its not published yet

psn: Ash_uk1		2011-01-29 17:37:00

Author:
Ash_uk1
Posts: 255

added u 2011-01-29 17:42:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

My PSN is link98574. I'm more of a thinker but I can design to make a beautiful level anytime
PS: I'm a terrible creator		2011-01-29 22:30:00

Author:
linkstar
Posts: 14

Im good at Tiny Details, play my modern weapons level to see i showcased em all and they're sack sized, i love logic, and im good at ideas, but i love to create contact my psn at jgsstl, and ill send an FR2011-01-29 22:42:00

Author:
jgsstl
Posts: 95

Hi guys,

I've been getting stuck into LBP2 lately and was toying with the idea of creating a Game Dev Team for LBP2!

(Here's a level I created to guide you through the following job list and give you more of an idea who I'm looking for.)


http://ib.lbp.me/img/bl/90b2d9922585a764f3a1633f27e9b7cc32a4e803.png

Looking For Skilled Creators... (http://lbp.me/v/w14qjf)

CREATORS

A creator would create contraptions, level layouts, monsters etc.

THINKERS

Got a nice brain on ya? think up monsters, scenarios, level ideas, mini games you name it you think it!

DESIGNERS

Drawing, Styling, Stickerizing, etc.

SOUND DESIGNERS

Vitally importance for ambiance, a sound designer would work along side the designer to make sure the two jell.

As you can see I'm not limiting this dev team application to anyon, almost all LBPers have at least one of these skills.

What Type Of Games?

I'm looking at creating:


Minigames, episodic (yeah - that is a word) games, cutscene-games, top-down.
Nice bright styles and well jelled music.
Games that make you feel you would have spend ?200 on LBP2 basically.


I have a few ideas up my sleeve for new games, but I'd love to hear your ideas.

What's The Dev Team's Name?

That's for you to decide! I will be working on blogger to create a diary/blog for the dev group and we'll also use it for member notices.

EDIT: Game Dev Team is now called 8 Pie!

Game Dev Contacting?

LBCentral.com PM's and PS3 Friends Message Box.

How Will We Set Out Games To Create?

Here's how I'm picturing it:


A CREATOR, THINKER, DESIGNER or SOUND DESIGNER comus up with a game idea/concept.

Talks with a CREATOR(/THINKER) to map it out in cardboard(/in pencil or pen), very basically in LBP2 (/on paper).

DESIGNER comes up with a theme.

The game is uploaded and copyable then the DESIGNER adds the theme and stickers.

SOUND DESIGNER comes up with basic tune and elaborates after playing the designed game.

A CREATOR adds detail and creates monsters, circuits etc whilst.

DESIGNER and SOUND Designer finish of their work (sounds, stickers, lighting, etc.)


Pretty Simple compared to LBP2's complexity.


Extra Notes...

Our logo will be added on every level we complete.

The logo will depend on the name of the team obviously.

If you have any questions post them here

Thanks for reading!

Who's In Already?

Makrotez (Me, I'll be sorting everyone out and helping with communication/DESIGNER.)
Genep72 (CREATOR - specifically: logic based.)
frozenlava1 (CREATOR - again specifically logic based.)
Alexxerth (THINKER - thinking up ideas for new games and existing ones)




Combined - We'll Be Awesome!

You can add me to that list because I definitely want IN.		2011-01-30 00:00:00

Author:
donta133
Posts: 182

Thanks to everybody for all your interest, it seems alot of you arn't getting very far though, to be accepted you must join me and show me what you can do (on a small scale) in LBP2.

@The Comedian,

I tried putting in your user iD but it didn't work (3 times) can you friend request me iD: Makrotez
I'd love to give you a tour of our first level, can you connect to LBP2 at about 8 (at night - Central European Time GMT+1)
It's a very early beta at the moment - needs a lot of logic work and a bit of design and we haven't even started with the sound, but it is awesome.
Thanks for your interest and enthusiasm!


oh geez!! i read this at about 8 :15 your time and my mom is playing so i can't get on right now but I'll be on for a while tomorrow at sometime around 3 or 4 o-clock (again your time) until whenever i get kicked off. I'll also be playing almost all day Monday probably. so I'll friend request you tomorrow and you can just pm me or post. I'll try to check for new posts too but no guarantees
EDIT:
wups! ok maybe those times are wrong i'm in gmt -8 so it must be like 6:30 am over there right now lol
so the best bet is monday at around 10 am here so about 7 pm there sound ok?		2011-01-30 03:23:00

Author:
The Comedian
Posts: 113

@linkstar

I'll reply via PM

@jgsstl

Sounds like a really good atribute we could use you alot on Pie 8! Please meet me on LBP2 to confirm membership.

@donta133

sounds good, could you tell me what your better at on lbp insode the 4 categories - CREATOR, DESIGNER, SOUND DESIGN, THINKER?

@Comedian

sure 7pm monday sounds good! 		2011-01-30 12:25:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

I tend to find myself with plenty of ideas and thoughts for levels but struggling with making my levels pretty and such.... So I'd try out as a creator...

The next level I was thinking about making was a horror type level... I'd need help on it and would be willing to share... ha.		2011-01-30 14:44:00

Author:
cousi
Posts: 28

@cousi, we aren't making levels for people, we make levels as a team. You'd need to pitch the idea to everyone first, besides we're already half way through making our first level.

What are you good at in LBP2? (thinking of ideas? creating contraptions? logic?)		2011-01-30 15:21:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

@Makrotez, yea I was just giving an example of something, I like to think of myself as bringing different and new ideas as in types of levels and designs of things. So to answer you question directly I am better at thinking of ideas, while I have a decent understanding of Logic and creating my own contraptions.

Also just so you know I'm typically online from around 6-10 EST PM every night.		2011-01-30 16:35:00

Author:
cousi
Posts: 28

@Makrotez, so i played the level with my dad and, as you said, it is an early beta. i copied it to my moon and looked it over in create mode and it looks a little messy so far, but that is to be expected. the thing that struck me about it was that it seemed to be a copy of the basketball level in the story with an extra twist of two levels. i think that the "how to" feature is a must and should go through the game thoroughly. also i found that it was quite difficult to control sack boy with all the bounce pads, especially the rotating triangle. i kept getting stuck. overall the level looks amazing! but so far the functions are incomplete, for instance the black ball and left hand hoop do not work properly. forgive me if i am going over things that have already been discovered but i felt the need to make sure. i would suggest that the gravity of the entire level should be lowered slightly and the bounce pads decreased in strength. thus giving the player a little more control over sack boy.also the black ball is quite difficult to see. i hope this wasn't to annoying but these are my thoughts and i feel that the truth is best . but that aside so far it is looking great, great ambiance and theme! congrats!2011-01-31 06:04:00

Author:
The Comedian
Posts: 113

I posted this as a thread here.. Since you are asking for ideas and also this idea may be over my head in terms of scope, here it is. Its pretty rough, I wrote it pretty fast and notices several runoffs and other mistakes, but the general story is there.

I love scifi and horror stories, games, and movies. This idea is actually from a dream I have had several times already, but I want to expand on the dream or idea.

Warning: Includes violent and gory scenes.
[DREAM]
The dream begins with me in LA walking in the streets minding my own business. Around a quarter way through the dream I begin to notice an increase in police sirens and breaking news over several stores. The news are talking about something unidentifiable in a collision course with the Earth. The news reports say that there are hundreds of thousands of unidentified NEOs in a collision course, that scientist around the world are baffled as the NEOs show thermal readings and appear to move without following a descend course or a gravitational free fall. (This dream was way before the movie "The Day the Earth Stood Still", the remake that is, never really heard of the old one.). As I'm looking up at the sky I begin to see these gigantic fireballs falling down and streaking through the air. I see one really big one hit Downtown LA. As I'm watching in suspense(the news helicopters are hovering filming the impacts) one of the giant objects starts to break apart. (The objects were mushy and it didn't obliterate themselves on impact, their outer layers seemed to have absorbed the impacts.)

Hot vapor starts coming out of the cracks from the objects as they continue to break apart. A huge cloud of white smoke engulfs part of Downtown LA, but when the smoke settles or vanishes(it was like a vapor smoke) you can see this thing that looked like a giant insect. The creature wakes up and begins to dig deep underground and as its digging, it begins to launch yolks in the shape of eggs(oval) through its abdomen. The yolk is almost like an acid eating up anything it touches(on concrete and asphalt it turns the material brittle, like if it had absorbed all the moisture from it.) and on people it looks as if they were having their insides sucked out. Some of the news helicopters zoom in on the yolks and you could see something developing inside of them, and there are hundreds of thousands of these things scattered around Downtown LA. From the yolks come these ant like things, they move extremely fast and are about the size of a compact car. They decimate everything, and as they eat they get bigger and bigger, some spout wings and fly into the sky attacking the news helicopters.

So I'm in East Los Angeles watching the news through a window and I begin to panic. Everyone around starts to go crazy. I run to my car an immediately head home, racing to alert my family hoping they are okay. I call them but networks are busy, so I look overhead and see fighter jets flying fast-breaking the sound barrier at low altitudes. My windshield cracks from one of the sonic booms. I continue to drive and get stuck in traffic over a bridge! Ah! I see that there is no advance so I get my cellphone and ipod out of my car and start running. I could clearly see the creature from Downtown LA from the bridge(that's how big the creature was), and was able to make out some F-18, F-35s, and 2 F-22s flying above Downtown LA. They shoot some air to ground missiles at the huge creature. I turn again towards the people in front of me and begin to run again, only glancing to my left to see what effect those missiles had on the creature. On my phone I turn on the radio, and listen in to the reports. The reports said that the creatures seem to have landed on hot regions only, and that on every site the creatures are borrowing deep underground.

Hours pass and I'm still walking home, tired, I decide to call my family again, no luck, network was still busy. The power in some areas seem to have gone down and there is traffic everywhere and a lot of cars empty on the road. Some drivers are so desperate that they begin to drive on the sidewalk, running over any pedestrian in front of them. I avoid getting run over by a car by dashing into a nearby ally. I keep on walking through these dark allies and it begins to get dark, time reads on my cellphone 7:42pm. As I'm walking, listening to news on my cellphone, I find some friendly people in the allies traveling towards the same direction I am. We begin to communicate and group up with more people in the allies. Over the radio, reports say to avoid the streets, that some of the small creatures have begun to multiply and have been spotted in nearby cities(Where we were). We begin to talk to each other and we agree to head towards a gun store a couple of blocks from our location to get some protection incase we encounter any of them. We get to it, its locked but one funny character in our group was excellent at lock picking, he picked the lock and opened it, we rushed inside and armed ourselves with as much ammo and weapons as we can carry. I personally grabbed a .44 magnum, 2 9mm Barettas with 10 round clips(I got 5 clips), and a semi automatic M14. There were some people who didn't want to carry guns, so they instead carried medical kits, flashlights, knives, food and spare ammo.

I was carrying over 50lbs of weapons, ammo, and food but for a reason, minutes after we emptied out the gun store, we encountered one of these creatures. We first heard it walking around in the dark as if stalking us, didn't know what it was. It was pitch black in these streets with the only visible light coming from the moon, nearby lid cities and our own flashlights and cellphones. One of the person's behind our group yells "look out!" another "Behind us!", we turn back and spot the creature(this one was smaller, about the size of one of us like 6-7ft in length and 4-5ft tall). We drop shells on this thing, our muzzles flare out(looked kinda like those flashing club lights, or strobe lights, red and orange with flames coming out ahead of us.) lighting up the creature and everything around us momentarily. We took it out, without a casualty on our side, but our own rattle attracted more of them. Again more of these smaller creatures began to follow us, we reloaded and began to shoot at some of them(there were people in our group who didn't know how to use guns and wasted all of their ammo hitting nothing, and some didn't know how to reload properly, others had their guns jammed, the rest had no guns.) I was only using one 9mm at first, I finished the last 3 shots I had from the previous encounter, switched over to the other 9mm, but in the panic I forget to disengage the safety lock. I panic even more, get the .44 magnum(there is shooting going on all around me) I saw one of the creatures heading for me, so I grabbed the gun with both hands, cocked back the hammer, and pulled the trigger. My had shook aggressively each time I shot it. The creature fell, I looked around and see some of our members being ripped to pieces by these things. I finish the bullets inside my .44 magnum barrels, then switch out again to the 9mm, but this time I remember the safety switch. I begin to run, I head for an alley and see one guy behind me get lounged at by the creatures, I shoot the 9mm at him and the creature and continue to run, that creature however was about the size of a truck and couldn't fit through the ally. There are two or more other people ahead of me running in this dark ally, and then the dream ends.
[END OF DREAM]

I've had that dream 3 times in the past maybe more, each one went a little further then the previous one, the last time I had the dream was in 2007. I still remember it because I illustrated the dream in a book after I had it a second time and continued the illustrations after the 3rd dream. Even showed it to my art teacher, he was impressed. I last saw that sketch book in 2009 and I still remember this dream pretty well. I later guessed as to the purpose of those creatures and came up with several theories. The one that seems pretty obvious is that they like heat. I think that they were burrowing to get to the inner heat from the Earth's core, and the creatures(the ones that were digging) looked like giant fleas or ticks with hundreds of eyes around them. I also hypothesized that they wanted to suck out the heat from the Earth, maybe drain it or live off of the Earth's heat and move onto another planet once they were finished with this one. IDK but I want to expand onto this story, make it into a level or game.

My current idea is to make it an open world level with a timer. It will be a huge city that resembles LA with sky scrapers, locomotives, automobiles and sack bots walking/driving around. Maybe throw some cops and helicopters, with some 747s flying by(The LAX airport) and oh yes the pollution or haze. There will be dozens of score bubbles to collect before time runs out. Once the timer finishes I want to make a cinema showing the news and then the creatures falling down. Turn the mood of the level from a happy mood, to a horror mood. Then the next level will begin with first trying to go to a check point, meeting some other survivors or wanderers, getting to the gunshop and then the fatal encounter with the monsters. I would love help on how I should pursue this level/story. Any help or suggestions/ideas? If I do pursue this, which I probably will, I want to make it a story that spans several levels. Maybe make a tragic ending(since I hate how every story has to have a happy ending. LOL).

Thanks

EDIT: Yeah as you can see, it is pretty ambitious. I may spend weeks or months on this thing alone, since I am also new to this game. Never really played part 1, just got my PS3 a while back.		2011-01-31 07:25:00

Author:
necromonger
Posts: 5

lol sorry the black ball is my fault i was doin the a.i for the sackbot (for the how to part) and was testing it i must of forgot to delete it sorry2011-01-31 12:48:00

Author:
Ash_uk1
Posts: 255

I understand Boolean Logic concepts to a medium degree, but I havent quite figured out how to apply them in this game to make them work. I am mediocre at designing. However, my thinking and innovative imagination trumps the other things by a long shot. Check my own thread in this section that is titled Educational Learning Level. It's an idea for a level that would be ideal for youngsters to play and learn at the same time. Anyways, add me if you think I would be good addition ^_^.

Shadow Wolf
PSN: Shadow_Wolf_1987		2011-01-31 21:00:00

Author:
Shadow_Wolf_1987
Posts: 108

I can be a thinker or sound designer, if ya still need them.2011-01-31 22:08:00

Author:
Captain
Posts: 92

I'm not sure what I would be counted as... I would go for logic, but looks like you got a few, huh? But man, I would sign up for anything. I've been looking for a serious creating group for... I have no idea, actually. But the point is that i've been looking way too long, and, if you'll have me, I would love to join up on this epic team. 2011-01-31 22:20:00

Author:
SquirrelShock
Posts: 8

@Shadow, sounds good, but what are your expertise exactly? design or logic?

@captain, we need both! too many logic people not enough thinkers and sound designers! meet me on LBP2 to show me your work.		2011-01-31 22:30:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

I can be both thinker and logic. Over time I will learn more on how logic is incorporated. Design is my least best but I am ok I suppose. If you want, add me, and I'll show you a contraption I am working on for multiplayer coop. If I have lots of time my designs are better, if I don't then they are rushed and not so good.2011-01-31 23:59:00

Author:
Shadow_Wolf_1987
Posts: 108

If you're still taking in more people, I could be a thinker/creator. I'm very good at creating very complex vehicles and logic, and I have designed my own logic that works extremely well in multi-controlinator vehicles. I don't have any levels up, although I took some down for some LBP 2 upgrades, but they were mainly for showing some vehicles I created. I have many ideas for level designs though, as well as a series that I've started to work on shortly before LBP 2 was released. I've had a lot of experience in LBP, so if you decide to let me join, my PSN ID is: "Shuriken_Star" I can show you some of the vehicle systems I have created when I'm online and you can guage my skill level from that. I have also nearly perfected a hover system, that keeps a vehicle (or object) a certain distance from the ground (vehicle tilts with slope of ground for more realism), no matter the terrain.2011-02-01 04:55:00

Author:
Shuriken_Star
Posts: 114

@shadow, kk sounds good, can i please see your work tommorow with you?

@Shuriken, that contraption sounds awesome, tommorow can you give me a tour?

PS. I'm limiting spaces in the team a little see main post for more details.		2011-02-01 13:19:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

@Mak: My time zone is EST in the U.S. Add my PSN and you can join me whenever, I'll be on and off today...have some errands. PSN is Shadow_Wolf_1987.2011-02-01 17:38:00

Author:
Shadow_Wolf_1987
Posts: 108

Hey mak, sorry I haven't been on lately, been very busy with school work. I should be on today though, so I can continue working on the level.2011-02-01 19:50:00

Author:
Unknown User

@Shadow, @ Frozenlava - I won't be ontoday (maybe for about an hour but not long) but tommorow I might have some spare time! 2011-02-01 20:17:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

Okay, but I work tomorrow. So I will be on after 7pm EST tomorrow.2011-02-01 20:21:00

Author:
Shadow_Wolf_1987
Posts: 108

@shadow, that will be like 1am/12pm here :S I'll probably get on for a min or two as I mentioned earlier2011-02-01 20:34:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

Right I'm online now guys so if any of you want to join me on LBP2 just send me a message entitled 'LBP2' thanks!2011-02-01 21:06:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

I send you a message Makrotez, I have many skills, mostly logic and creative idea based. I know 4 programming languages, so I am very good with logic. I am also on about 8 hours a day atm(I'm disabled right now).2011-02-01 21:17:00

Author:
Unknown User

Well I'm pretty good at making storyline stuff and minigames. I'm also working on two top-down games. One being a minigame and one is an epic storyline type thing. If you wanna see my work I send ya an invite.2011-02-01 22:05:00

Author:
Unknown User

@shadow, kk sounds good, can i please see your work tommorow with you?

@Shuriken, that contraption sounds awesome, tommorow can you give me a tour?

PS. I'm limiting spaces in the team a little see main post for more details.

yea, i'm usually on at around 4 PM, US Mountain Time, but i'm on right now too		2011-02-01 22:13:00

Author:
Shuriken_Star
Posts: 114

I'm not sure what I would be counted as... I would go for logic, but looks like you got a few, huh? But man, I would sign up for anything. I've been looking for a serious creating group for... I have no idea, actually. But the point is that i've been looking way too long, and, if you'll have me, I would love to join up on this epic team.

sorry murt have missed your post meet me on lbp today and aee me to your friends and ill see if youve got wat it takes

@borkedface sounds like you know your stuff pleasf add me to your friends ill b on today

@jetstream please add me to your friends and meet me on lbp today at some point if u can		2011-02-02 10:00:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

This is a final call for anyone who has not yet seen me in LBPP2 who wants to be apart of our team, if you don't see your name on the list but think you should be this coluld be down to 2 reasons:

I forgot to add you - in which case you should leave a comment here.

You haven't verified your membership by meeting me on LBP2.

PLEASE GET SORTED AS THIS THREAD WILL BE STOPPING VERY SHORTLY		2011-02-03 09:02:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

It looks like only one person signed in as a sound designer. Sounds a lot like something up my alley, though.

Recently, I've been experimenting a bit on audio. The tech demo I'm working on required me to gain some experience on that field as well as logic. I also have a pretty long level in the works since last year, so throughout the level the music would change along with the scenery to enhance the appropriate mood.

I think a variety of music is recommended as to not risk getting the player bored or, in a worse case scenario, driving them crazy with having to hear the same song for a long period of time. I've especially experienced this firsthand with the Prius level. Didn't help that the looping track was barely half a minute long...		2011-02-03 09:25:00

Author:
ButchInZero
Posts: 58

Do you want to work in sound for 8Pie Butch?2011-02-03 10:39:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

no more sound design spots? Q_Q I was a day late!? Awww.

Would you mind consider one more for the sound design post? I love adding subtle sound and effects into my levels to create proper mood, atmosphere and ambiance. Finding anyways to assist in helping immersion is what i like. A few lovely level of mine was back in LBP! The Siren Series,
1 - http://lbp.me/v/48-7r
2 - http://lbp.me/v/4grsz
3 - http://lbp.me/v/qe92g1
I'd love to join in and work with other creators in creating true all out games. ^_^ I understand if the team is too full though.T_T Maybe next time. 		2011-02-03 14:56:00

Author:
Noroibito
Posts: 211

Makrotez should i add everyone off the first post?2011-02-03 19:17:00

Author:
Ash_uk1
Posts: 255

IYeah that'd be a good idea Ash 2011-02-03 21:42:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

i would ask to joion, but i absolutely suck. my best level was on the psp, it looked great, but i never finished it due to lack of further ideas. if you want an idea of my crappyness, try my level...(the absolutely horribly badly made-)zombie suvival level! see, its a zombie suvival. it sucks.2011-02-03 21:54:00

Author:
Riolu17
Posts: 38

If you "suck" then why are you posting about how "bad" you are?2011-02-03 21:57:00

Author:
linkstar
Posts: 14

Makrotez you forgot to add me to the list2011-02-03 23:58:00

Author:
Unknown User

I will be a "What Type of Games?" guy 2011-02-04 01:07:00

Author:
chinook3
Posts: 453

I am a weapons creator/designer. My specialty is projectile logic, and making things that are to powerful for the game to handle.

If you want something blown up, I'm your guy.

PSN: zeel-01
I'm online usually sometime between 5-10PM EST (US) and sometimes later after 12. Most of my projects end half way because I'm not so great at making levels with my stuff, so a team sounds great. I'm also good at concepts, and I would be willing to try my hand at design.		2011-02-04 02:18:00

Author:
zeel
Posts: 61

@TrjnUsc3 I'll add u immediately! sorry bout that :S and to everyone else - read the main thread we're not accepting anyone else other than DESIGNERS.2011-02-04 10:29:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

@TrjnUsc3 I'll add u immediately! sorry bout that :S and to everyone else - read the main thread we're not accepting anyone else other than DESIGNERS.
You mean just visual designers or both visual and audio designers?		2011-02-04 12:07:00

Author:
ButchInZero
Posts: 58

just visual, sorry.2011-02-04 13:43:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

I was wondering If I could hire (not pay. lol) your team? I'm not a very good level designer but I love making tools and gadgets. Basically, I need you guys to make a fantastic Portal level. I made a portal gun but my level sucks... The link to my level with the gun in it, is in my sig. PM me if you're interested!2011-02-04 15:26:00

Author:
THE_GOLD_AVENGER
Posts: 14

I noticed a comment u made on another portal level about it, sorry but no, we're not for hire 2011-02-04 17:00:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

Idea: Will there be some sort of dev team additions to help with lbp 2. Because i'd really love to join as a logic guy.2011-02-04 22:58:00

Author:
Phazerz123
Posts: 440

Yeah I guess so, you can help us out whenever - here's why I've stopped recruiting: I have an uncut ruby (the members) I need to cut it and make it shine (find members who are good and can stay and those who, well don't.) once that has finished and I need more members I'll start recruiting! 2011-02-04 23:19:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

@ Makrotez
1. i hope i can stay XD
2. i am finally on the last touches of the good/character controlled robot and will probably start creation of the bad/opponent robot sometime tomorrow or Sunday. I will make the finished mech an object and send it to you via PSN. Hope you like!
i would have had them both done by now but i had severely limited time on the ps3 this week.		2011-02-05 06:08:00

Author:
The Comedian
Posts: 113

Hey, I might as well rig up as I've got S.C.B (Solitary Creators Block) I'd probably specialise more in the design spectrum of things - I can plant a mean sticker and tweak a gnarly decoration wherever you need it. One of my collab works with DesignerLuke, creating the Ordnance Testing Facility, was my highlight - him and I crammed it full of old, nostalgic items like clunky twin stick controllers, a bowl of sushi and a lit cigar I also have some levels in my sig, if you need any other authentication of my designs. I hope I can be of some help to you guys 2011-02-05 07:58:00

Author:
XFennoX
Posts: 82

@Comedian - Sounds sweet xD you will most likely stay

XFennoX - I'll take a look at your levels ina min and get back to you thanks for applying 		2011-02-05 13:45:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

will i be stayin?2011-02-05 18:24:00

Author:
Ash_uk1
Posts: 255

Most defiantly 2011-02-05 19:50:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

am i staying too? i've helped quite a bit in one of the projects2011-02-10 02:45:00

Author:
Shuriken_Star
Posts: 114

If you are looking for a designer still, I could help you there. I like logic, but I also love beutifying levels, so if you can make some sweet gameplay... I can make some sweet graphics.2011-02-10 03:01:00

Author:
Daldrez
Posts: 63

Thanks Daldrez U probably will stay Shuriken, you've been very good to 8 Pie.2011-02-10 12:37:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

I good at design
I make some hench vehicles and scenery tho i havent published anything lately
I suck at logic tho
show u stuff if u want lol		2011-02-10 12:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

sounds good ayak, Ill be on later or tomorrow k. friend request me please.2011-02-10 18:14:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

Hi!!

My name is shaun and my psn is x2SiK-ShaunyBoi-, i have had the game since it came out and know pretty much everything about it, i can fix most problems easily and have a strong brain (when i say that i mean i can work things out very easily without any help) so i have the potential to make a really good level and be a really good group member 		2011-02-10 20:54:00

Author:
Unknown User

im imterested to join in, im very modest i know im not the best creator in lbp but im not the worst either, i have lots of ideas in lbp i spent a lot of time in create mode doing stuff, i can work as creator or thinker, anyway if you want to know more about me check my levels http://lbp.me/u/KRXninja/levels or ask me anything then let me know2011-02-11 03:15:00

Author:
KRX
Posts: 110

Hey! I would like to join the team! My levels that our showcased right now aren't too great, (Mm reset my account and I lost everything), but I'm very skilled at creating, thinking and designing. Inbox me if you read this and tell me if I'm in or not. PSN - TrevorRyan333
2011-02-11 03:58:00

Author:
Unknown User

Markartez am I staying? I've been wating to help Ash but everytime i'm on I feel akward when he's alone and I don't want to barge into his pod.2011-02-11 13:11:00

Author:
linkstar
Posts: 14

I hope I stay...2011-02-11 16:07:00

Author:
Unknown User

@TrevorRyan333, your the only person who wants to work in design, so please friend request me: Makrotez and I'll look at your work to everyone else - you have to be a DESIGNER to be able to have a chance of getting into 8 Pie I've already said this at least twice..

Most of you should stay I just need to sort it out, please stop asking xD

EDIT: @linkstar, don't worry about that! he wants people to help him on his new level 		2011-02-11 17:21:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

While i could say my creating is good, i think im more of an expert at visuals and level design. Im definately into creating although, IF i could show you a level im working on... if that would be okay? Im also on the safe side for logic...2011-02-11 17:46:00

Author:
Tawarf
Posts: 457

Sounds good, my PS3 just crashed tho unfortunately, should be working later on (overheated I think not sure) maybe tomorrow? TY for your interest.2011-02-11 18:29:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

Yep sure! Tomorrow is great.2011-02-11 18:49:00

Author:
Tawarf
Posts: 457

Hey! I'd love to be a part of this im kinda an all rounder but best at creating probably
Add danlb2k8 or i'll add you next time i'm on 		2011-02-11 20:28:00

Author:
Unknown User

To be honest, I'm not quite sure where I fall. I'm pretty good at creating on a small scale, I could never go creating full levels. I'm good at making Boss's.2011-02-11 20:35:00

Author:
Unknown User

To be honest, I'm not quite sure where I fall. I'm pretty good at creating on a small scale, I could never go creating full levels. I'm good at making Boss's.

Although I am okay with designer		2011-02-11 21:19:00

Author:
Unknown User

Lighting/Lighting Design.

The latest works I've posted online are quite dated, as I've vastly improved my skill-set concerning lighting. While I've worked for over a year on many little projects, I haven't really submitted anything online. That leads me to the conclusion that, rather than creating so-so levels with amazing lighting, I should work as part of a team, allowing others to make great levels, with me heading the field of lighting/lighting design. I'm sure you know what the job of lighting designer would entail, correct?

btw, for friending, my PSN is Fib0r		2011-02-12 03:11:00

Author:
Dylanlip
Posts: 18

Check out my levels and let me know if you are interested in my assistance. I am game for whatever and have skills in all categories.2011-02-12 17:34:00

Author:
Unknown User

Okay let me get this straight. I haven't been checking the thread that often but to my knowledge currently wer're only working on ash's racing project?2011-02-20 02:24:00

Author:
linkstar
Posts: 14

Hey, I would like to join this group. I may seem like a noob here but I spend most of my time in game and if you want proof send a friend request and I'll show you. I actully fit all catigories except sound because I'm horrendous at that. Currently I've made 4 tanks, around 20 different pieces of custom logic gates, other smaller objects ,and I am working on a game called DEFCON. Also after I finished that game I plan on making a huge city with the use of the 3D glitch and Level Links. In the city I've gave a section to a few of my friends and we plan on putting it all togethers.

Things I'm good at:
CREATORS
THINKERS
DESIGNERS		2011-02-20 04:17:00

Author:
Gel on Hair
Posts: 15

No, I think Ash's is done. Some kind of canyon race was last project I knew about, but i dont know how to get in touch with owner of the moon its on to help them out :-(. So, ive just been working on my own few concepts for now.2011-02-20 07:03:00

Author:
Shadow_Wolf_1987
Posts: 108

I'd like to join, if possible still. I'm basically good at all except sound.2011-02-20 12:44:00

Author:
TNSv
Posts: 302

Thanks shadow! I just talked to ash and he may make more tracks but thats all. I'm also working on some of my own projects at the moment. And last but not least, I hope of of you guys who want to join are good DESIGNERS because thats the only spot we have left to fill.2011-02-20 13:09:00

Author:
linkstar
Posts: 14

I can do as a DESIGNER

Drawing, Styling, Stickerizing, etc.		2011-02-20 13:24:00

Author:
Unknown User

Okay just wait for Makrotez to get to you because I'm not the one who is supposed to add new members2011-02-20 13:30:00

Author:
linkstar
Posts: 14

Just being curious Makrotez, do you think I'd be good in this project? 2011-02-20 20:10:00

Author:
XFennoX
Posts: 82

Hey, I'd like to do Design. I can draw and scan them onto the computer, and stickering should be decent/good if someone is around to notice flaws.
Logics is a stronger side of me, but you already have people for that.
And I think I could Think too...

Oki/

Btw: If I would be accepted I'm not available for a week, 'cause I have to finish Portal 2 levels first to publish.		2011-02-20 22:09:00

Author:
Okisaan
Posts: 165

Hey guys, sorry I haven't been in touch with LBPC or LBP for a while, pretty hectic at the moment, will everyone who wants to do design add me 'Makrotez" with a message saying DESIGN I'll try get on in the next few days.

Also I'm gonna plan out a proper setup so everyone knows what's happening and how you can get in touch with people etc.

Sorry bout that! :/		2011-02-25 11:16:00

Author:
Makrotez
Posts: 58

Hi,

I'm Patnard, I am a good designer, in fact its my domain of study in real life. I have good ideas about designing stuff, particularly map and environement. I like when it look realistic and I do everything to make it happen.		2011-03-05 23:22:00

Author:
Unknown User

hey man never got that invite on lbp im still up for helping w music or creating or logic2011-03-07 04:25:00

Author:
malteseassassin
Posts: 66

What do you think of my design skills?

http://lbp.me/v/ynhh71		2011-03-07 07:55:00

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