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http://i35.tinypic.com/2jz8gh.jpg It appears that LittleBigPlanet moderation has been incredibly aggressive, with some levels being removed from LBP servers completely -- without warning, and without reason. Creators, who have spent hours on building levels, don't have access to any backups when their levels are deleted off the face of the internet. Obviously, the sudden deletion of their levels have them quite peeved. Many of the levels in question involve copyrighted content. For example, levels based on Nintendo's Super Mario Bros. series may be wiped out. Even levels based on Sony's own God of War have been removed. While we understand Sony's need to ensure proper moderation against copyrighted material (they don't want to be sued, of course), this is the wrong way to approach it. Thankfully, things are looking to change. "We want to ensure that creators' levels are only permanently removed if they warrant it. In most innocent cases a simple tweak to the level may be required and that's what we're working on communicating," said Sony. Simply telling users what to change and giving them an opportunity to fix their mistakes is a far better alternative to unwarranted deletion. We'd be devastated too if one of our levels just disappeared. This is the moment of truth for Sony as far as I see it. They should do everything in their power to keep the LBP user base positive. Source: PS3 Fanboy (http://www.ps3fanboy.com/2008/11/10/sony-promises-better-moderation-system-for-lbp/)

2008-11-10 15:42:00 Author: supersickie Posts: 1366

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Awesome news. Front page material if you ask me. (maybe lol) I'm glad to know that Sony/MM has finally loosened up. Though, it's too bad for the levels that have already been deleted.

2008-11-10 15:50:00 Author: Forsaken Posts: 950

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Didn't they delete the Demon Skull level by geosautos or whoever? That was an awesome level... Shame they had to delete it if they did even though it is technically owned by Sony...

2008-11-10 15:51:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Awesome news. Front page material if you ask me. (maybe lol) I'm glad to know that Sony/MM has finally loosened up. Though, it's too bad for the levels that have already been deleted. Something tells me they can restore the levels in question... Here's to hoping anyway.

2008-11-10 15:53:00 Author: supersickie Posts: 1366

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I still don't think permanently deleting the levels is a good solution, even if you're infringing on copyright. You should be able to enjoy that level at home, by yourself or with a few friends. I wasn't planning on doing any derivative work anyway, but this really harshes my mellow.

2008-11-10 16:10:00 Author: Justin Hopewell Posts: 135

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This is great news. I don't really wanna spend so much time making a level and then have it removed because it's too much like a level from an existing game, when it can just be fixed. This is good, Sony is doing the right thing with this update thing.

2008-11-10 16:50:00 Author: Vecayse Posts: 18

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How can they erase levels based off characters in the game? it's insane

2008-11-10 17:46:00 Author: Pinkcars Posts: 380

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You would think an official Kratos sackboy would mean it was okay for a GoW level...

2008-11-10 18:17:00 Author: Voltiare Posts: 646

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change the characters names and aperance

2008-11-10 18:30:00 Author: panzer3000 Posts: 362

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change the characters names and aperance then make it funny and your level is officially a parody level. nothing they can do then.

2008-11-10 20:25:00 Author: Cloud Posts: 74

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Thats good news, I was always wondering why they did that, Its not that big of a deal

2008-11-10 22:04:00 Author: BloodFlameX Posts: 349

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Moved this to the Front Pages News, if you don't mind, supersickie. Thanks for letting us know!

2008-11-10 23:56:00 Author: aer0blue Posts: 1603

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Glad to see it.

2008-11-11 00:38:00 Author: Maedhros Posts: 32

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not planning to make a homage level but I wonder if there is a loophole around the existing moderation. What if I did make a mario level and at the beginning I had a cardboard sign that contained a disclaimer, or something? Like a big sign that says "PARODY ONLY" , or more legal jargon.. "all likenesses to other video game characters, real or imagined, are intended as parody only, or are unintentional. " Might work? Im just imagining.

2008-11-11 00:59:00 Author: dc_ Posts: 11

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About time...

2008-11-11 01:05:00 Author: Code1337 Posts: 3476

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i hope that demon skull god of war level is brought back

2008-11-11 01:32:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419

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Didn't they delete the Demon Skull level by geosautos or whoever? That was an awesome level... Shame they had to delete it if they did even though it is technically owned by Sony... I only played this level once but I think it had the human sacrifice puzzle in it. There may not have been a person in the cage but the screams were there as well as a notice saying "the door? requires a human sacrifice". Sounds like solid ground to moderate the level. If I'm wrong correct me. I only played it back in the beta.

2008-11-11 01:39:00 Author: docpac Posts: 601

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Things like thematic casting and "derivative" level design help establish an instant connection with the player; it's something they're familiar with. About this agressive behavior, I don't want a bloody promise, I want an exact date, set in stone. What's with all this hating on creative approaches to familiar topics? I think the E rating was intended to allow the game to be playable by everyone, but I don't think coming up with a story line that ends with "...and they lived happily ever after." is all bad, so long as it's not bash-you-over-the-head-obvious "mature" material. Whatever happened to "Game experience may change during online play?" Wow, I feel like Sander Cohen.

2008-11-11 02:23:00 Author: Pulov Yuran Posts: 15

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then make it funny and your level is officially a parody level. nothing they can do then. Ummm. Technically not true. Granted the ODDS of Sony getting sued over a user-created LBP "parody" level are slim to none. Don't lead people to believe that throwing a joke in the level makes it moderator-proof. While I'm glad to see Sony say they'll ease up, I would still take it with a grain of salt. If they perceive a possible legal-issue, they can (and likely will) do what they see fit. I haven't read the EULA word for word, but I'd bet they're covered. Regarding parodies in general, while the courts tend to favor the artist creating the parody, and freedom of expression is usually brought up as a justification in such cases, the fact is that unless the original material is in the public domain or licensed by the original creator, the possibility of litigation over copyright will always exist. Though I personally see little harm from LBP levels...

2008-11-11 03:30:00 Author: jfjohnny5 Posts: 20

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Moved this to the Front Pages News, if you don't mind, supersickie. Thanks for letting us know! Don't mind at all. Glad everyone finds this just as noteworthy as I do.

2008-11-11 03:36:00 Author: supersickie Posts: 1366

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You would think an official Kratos sackboy would mean it was okay for a GoW level... Agreed. That was a great level.

2008-11-11 03:37:00 Author: dip Posts: 22

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Thats good news, I was always wondering why they did that, Its not that big of a deal not that big of a deal? well obviously you haven't spent over 20 hours making a great stage only to see it destroyed. seriously that GoW level deleted pains me because that creator spent so much time to make a masterpiece and it was gone the next time. i cant even begin to show my anger for them especially when that stage wasn't the exact replica of a place in the real game. all it had was the name God of War and poof, gone. seriously i hope they don't delete my character costume stages or ill get really uber ******

2008-11-11 05:39:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365

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I can't imagine....to have several hours of your live litterally wasted... You want to show how creative you can be to a community, and put a good ol' twist on the games we're used to seeing, and remember, then when you publish it...*poof!* It's very distressing, to say the least.

2008-11-11 08:51:00 Author: Beyond Birthday Posts: 20

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I don't know if my level has been moderated, but nobody else can play it. It's been this way since when I first published it. It fails to load for anyone. Now I'm thinking that it's possible that it's been moderated. There is one section where you climb slanted girders while dodging barrels that are rolling down. At the top, there is a gorilla who laments at his defeat. Obviously, this is a reference to Donkey Kong, but it's very subtle. Since then, I've successfully played another level that was explicitly named "DONKEY KONG", that was the same theme. I've also played another level called MGS and Mirror's Edge. I've spent well over 50-hours on this level, was excited to publish it, and none of my friends were able to play it. I'm frustrated beyond belief, and I've lost the will to create another level when only days ago, I felt like I had the energy to make 10 more levels. The worst part is, I didn't even really have it that bad. My level is still intact, while others have had theirs deleted. Sony, please act quick because this game might be permanently ruined for me. PS. If you wanna try to give me some hope, try playing "Minotaur's Labyrinth" by Bokchoykn (feel free to add me as a friend too). Please tell me your results.

2008-11-11 17:23:00 Author: Bokchoykn Posts: 16

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I don't know if my level has been moderated, but nobody else can play it. It's been this way since when I first published it. It fails to load for anyone. Now I'm thinking that it's possible that it's been moderated. There is one section where you climb slanted girders while dodging barrels that are rolling down. At the top, there is a gorilla who laments at his defeat. Obviously, this is a reference to Donkey Kong, but it's very subtle. Since then, I've successfully played another level that was explicitly named "DONKEY KONG", that was the same theme. I've also played another level called MGS and Mirror's Edge. I've spent well over 50-hours on this level, was excited to publish it, and none of my friends were able to play it. I'm frustrated beyond belief, and I've lost the will to create another level when only days ago, I felt like I had the energy to make 10 more levels. The worst part is, I didn't even really have it that bad. My level is still intact, while others have had theirs deleted. Sony, please act quick because this game might be permanently ruined for me. PS. If you wanna try to give me some hope, try playing "Minotaur's Labyrinth" by Bokchoykn (feel free to add me as a friend too). Please tell me your results. Can you still play/access this level? Cause with CC, he could so he took it off the servers and re-upped it. Now it works apparantly. Have you tried this? EDIT: Nevermind, i don't think it worked. You could give it a shot though.

2008-11-11 17:41:00 Author: ryryryan Posts: 3767

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I've tried this several times. Republishing it, deleting and publishing it again. Still no go. Thanks anyway, dude.

2008-11-11 17:44:00 Author: Bokchoykn Posts: 16

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I've tried this several times. Republishing it, deleting and publishing it again. Still no go. Thanks anyway, dude. Aw man. How about copying the whole thing to a different crater and uploading it? (if you can do that)

2008-11-11 17:46:00 Author: ryryryan Posts: 3767

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I've tried that too. Twice. Unless they moderated me as a creator, I see no reasonable explanation for this. It's strange because I can play my own level online. ANY sort of communication from Sony would be lovely. "Your level has been deemed inappropriate." "Your level has copyrighted content." "You are now banned from publishing levels because we don't like you." ANYTHING!! I'm very close to giving up. I'm not about to waste another 50+ hours.

2008-11-11 17:55:00 Author: Bokchoykn Posts: 16

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Kinda old news now, butuh me being a photographer and working with images i could understand how frustrating it is when your **** gets ripped. And tbh i dont think its to hard to make a Bat with giant antlers instead of the original batman logo. Bad= Less lvls created by users based on movies/games Good= This mayb sparks interest with developers to make all sorts of lvls with permission of their pr departments to use copywrited stuff, in lvls. And dumping them on LBP's servers. And that goes aswel for the people who made the sickest movie based lvls (sick as in cool/wicked etc) Maybe those guys could try to created realy their own lvls, with their own imput, chars and assets. But again im not defending anyone here, i would be ****** aswell if i saw that my lvl which i spend a great amount of time on was being deleted. Mayb something to look into "Kids" What is the expiration date on some copyrighted stuff, just double check so you can make some kind of frankenstein based game without breaking laws. 60s/70s/80s/90/s ROCK and then 2000 said "hi i announce that hiphop will die" And i cried a little. hmm....cut back on the coffe sounds like a good idear.

2008-11-11 18:23:00 Author: MentosXXL Posts: 2

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i think they should allow movies, tv shows, etc.....due to the fact it is free publicity to thousands or possibly millions of people.

2008-11-11 18:32:00 Author: mjuice Posts: 111

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I changed my games name from metal gear solid tactical espionage action (a major red flag for mods) to getal mear tolid: sactical aspionage ection. they look like the same words, but are not.

2008-11-11 19:54:00 Author: Pinkcars Posts: 380

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If they are going to moderate, they should at least provide a means for communication between the moderators and the creators. If a level is deleted they should send you a message explaining why. In fact, there should be a way for people like BokChoykn whose level cannot load, to message the moderators for technical help.

2008-11-11 20:32:00 Author: dc_ Posts: 11

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Well, however it ends up, I certainly hope my similarly-themed, yet completely unrelated to Fallout 3, post-apocalyptic level doesn't get "moderated" when I finally finish it up. I'm kinda worried now though. I've put endless hours into it.

2008-11-11 22:08:00 Author: greylief Posts: 1

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The problem is, they cost lots o' money to create. (movies, tv shows, etc.) And it costs money to withhold all copyrights related to something. think about that. "if you ever create anything that looks like what I made, i'll sue you" That's witholding the rights to something that exists, for all time. I wouldn't want someone copying more/mocking my work.

2008-11-11 22:25:00 Author: Beyond Birthday Posts: 20

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Yeah, I see why they would take them down I just don't see how they couldn't've foreseen this. Giving players the ability to create whatever they want...it would be obvious that some people will make remakes and such. It's a shame that the levels were "modded" already, but hopefully it would get better.

2008-11-11 22:54:00 Author: Night Angel Posts: 1214

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extremely lame i havnt even got to play some of those amazing levels...yes i like to self pity

2008-11-12 00:03:00 Author: Hocobo Posts: 30

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I still don't think permanently deleting the levels is a good solution, even if you're infringing on copyright. You should be able to enjoy that level at home, by yourself or with a few friends. I wasn't planning on doing any derivative work anyway, but this really harshes my mellow. I'm with you Justin... this "complete delete" stuff has apparently ruined what should have been an unruinable game. And then I found another site where someone admitted, they were just running around griefing ANY and every level they saw just to get them deleted.

2008-11-12 17:40:00 Author: DaSaintFan Posts: 136

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I changed my games name from metal gear solid tactical espionage action (a major red flag for mods) to getal mear tolid: sactical aspionage ection. they look like the same words, but are not. hmm, i'd go with a better name to be honest. Just come up with something original. Or something from the game itself such as a phrase, that someone cant have any just reason for deleting. And then I found another site where someone admitted, they were just running around griefing ANY and every level they saw just to get them deleted. Oh i hate people sometimes.

2008-11-12 18:21:00 Author: ryryryan Posts: 3767

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And then I found another site where someone admitted, they were just running around griefing ANY and every level they saw just to get them deleted. This is why we can't have nice things

2008-11-13 01:58:00 Author: Pinkcars Posts: 380

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This is why we can't have nice things Well, if you look in the recent announcement, it looks like they won't tolerate hoaxes. I believe someone is looking at all the levels flagged for moderation and restoring those that were flagged unjustly.

2008-11-13 13:57:00 Author: Risen Posts: 251

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It doesn't have to be parody to be fair use. If you make a "God of War", "Grand Theft Auto" or "Metal Gear Solid" level, it's hardly an attempt to devalue the original, or to deny the copyright holder the right to distribute or sell copies of the original game - and this is because the gameplay mechanic is completely different, for one thing. It's impossible to make Sackboy really resemble Solid Snake or Nico Bellic because he's a different shape and made out of fabric. Even the Sonic and Mario levels I've played don't really resemble the originals 100% faithfully. Somebody needs to lighten up here.

2008-11-13 14:25:00 Author: FlowersInHisHair Posts: 126

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None of what I've seen classifies as "fair use". It's not being used to make a commentary on the original work. It's "derivative work", and therefore unlicensed use. I hope what happens is that the remote copy is deleted and they are free to modify their local copy to remove the infringement and then republish. If the local copy also gets deleted I think that goes too far, otherwise I support the moderation. Deleting unlicensed derivative work from the public server is the right thing to do. Remember the copyright holder has the right to sue... but I doubt it will ever come to that in LBP.

2008-11-13 15:23:00 Author: Risen Posts: 251

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Great news im so stoked

2008-11-17 00:23:00 Author: LittleBigUniverse Posts: 46

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It doesn't have to be parody to be fair use. If you make a "God of War", "Grand Theft Auto" or "Metal Gear Solid" level, it's hardly an attempt to devalue the original, or to deny the copyright holder the right to distribute or sell copies of the original game - and this is because the gameplay mechanic is completely different, for one thing. It's impossible to make Sackboy really resemble Solid Snake or Nico Bellic because he's a different shape and made out of fabric. Even the Sonic and Mario levels I've played don't really resemble the originals 100% faithfully. Somebody needs to lighten up here. You've just said everything I was thinking. 100%

2008-11-17 00:29:00 Author: Yana Posts: 134

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If I were Sony I'd make one of my priorities granting users the rights to create levels based on other stuff. Certainly Sony properties ought to be safe. And I'd try and make deals with other companies. I don't know. I get that companies want to protect their copyrights, but I wish they'd be more reasonable about it sometimes. Nobody was being hurt by the Demon Skull level...it's just stupid. If anything it was helping to keep God of War in the public eye. There's nothing in copyright law that says a company can't allow people to use their content. Sigh. It just bugs me.

2008-11-26 05:30:00 Author: Unknown User

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If I were Sony I'd make one of my priorities granting users the rights to create levels based on other stuff. Certainly Sony properties ought to be safe. And I'd try and make deals with other companies. I don't know. I get that companies want to protect their copyrights, but I wish they'd be more reasonable about it sometimes. Nobody was being hurt by the Demon Skull level...it's just stupid. If anything it was helping to keep God of War in the public eye. There's nothing in copyright law that says a company can't allow people to use their content. Sigh. It just bugs me. Who's to say that any company has had a problem with any LBP levels to this point? It's most likely Sony being extra careful to avoid copyright infringement. In my opinion, inspiration should be enough to get a good level up and running. It's not absolutely necessary to build a God of War level. Instead, take those games as inspiration and come up with something along those lines.

2008-11-26 14:13:00 Author: supersickie Posts: 1366

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