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Philosophers of the Future

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Does anyone ever have this need to just sit back, cancel out any outside thoughts, and just focus on one subject. That one subject morphs itself into a solid theory in the web of your imagination. That theory; that focused statement of both utter truth and mere yet somewhat canon fiction, intertwined as a basis of justification in its own means.

You then focus your thoughts into a line of exasperated ideas, directed but at yourself. You then call yourself stupid, or idiotic, or whatever simple term comes to mind in order to relieve yourself and somehow gain back what precious time you have wasted during this nourishing yet stupefying ordeal.

You think nothing of the past in the fear that it will somehow grasp your propelled mentality, and drag it back into the stone age of your own wasteland of a mind. You call it a wasteland for you feel the need to justify whatever actions your past has kept as souvenirs of your life.

What you have striven to achieve over that rather awkward stance of focused thoughts, doubts, theories, statements, facts and myths was lost in the sea of despair that is your own rather verbal masochism. You start to reject the mere thoughts of the rather simple language that you have come to learn, live and love, and tend to propel your own mind and push it to leap outside it's expected boundaries. You start to think ahead, of what the future may hold for one such as yourself. You think on.

If you truly understood what I just said. I believe you have the mind of philosopher. Philosophers of the future, is what this theoretically expanding world of ours needs. It needs fruition in its own meanings.		2008-11-09 11:11:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

I understood what you said, but I can spit it all away by saying that it depends on the personality, and personalities aren't key in deciding philosophical abilities.

So... *spit*
(yay)		2008-11-09 13:33:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

I understand, though I don't agree with it. Mainly because my brain can't focus on one thing for long enough it gets distracted by... wait, what's that over there?

I like to have as much going on as possible. I play the DS whilst having TV on or my video MP3 player if I'm on the move, when I'm playing Rockband and learning a new song, I don't play one instrument, I either play the guitar and do vocals, or the drums and vocals. It doesn't sound the best, but it gives my brain a workout as it is trying to read two seperate sets of instructions at once.

I also can quite adeptly hold down 3 different conversations at once without needing to pause, so long as they are not all completely taxing.

The only thing I will never multi-task with is reading (as in fiction, instruction manuals or stuff on the web is fine) I like to devote my full attention to that. Otherwise, the more things at once, the better.

So in answer to the first line, No. I've tried it, it just doesn't work for me, my thoughts always drift, far and wide.		2008-11-09 14:25:00

Author:
flakmagnet
Posts: 1084

don't really understand. I don't know english well enough in order to say I fully understand what you just said. How old are you?!2008-11-09 14:39:00

Author:
Yarbone
Posts: 3036

Yes, of course. I would love live in my mind with little to no external stimulus, but I am not yet an adult thus I am forced to due certain things that are of no interest to me. 941 days until freedom. 2008-11-09 19:53:00

Author:
Unknown User

Very interesting responses =D

I'm 16 years old

I would have devised a rather idealistic and somewhat in-depth response, BUT, I haz 2 goo 2 skoul n stuf lulz.		2008-11-09 20:27:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

Very interesting responses =D

I'm 16 years old

I would have devised a rather idealistic and somewhat in-depth response, BUT, I haz 2 goo 2 skoul n stuf lulz.

Yeah?
That's what they all say after I post something. :mh:

You know I'd still find something to nitpick about... >_> <_<		2008-11-10 08:59:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

Very interesting responses =D

I'm 16 years old

I would have devised a rather idealistic and somewhat in-depth response, BUT, I haz 2 goo 2 skoul n stuf lulz.

hahaha nice one.

and to the OP: You are Emmanuel Kant and I claim my ?5 		2008-11-10 10:51:00

Author:
Piratepete
Posts: 110

Stix, I went through the exact same thing as what you said last week. :/

When I finally reached my conclusion, I realized that we don't have to do anything that people say. We don't have to do anything. It's quite interesting, because I realized that if I just walked out of school in the middle of class, there would be no one to stop me.		2008-11-10 12:03:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

That's a regular happening of my day. Especially while travelling or when I did some I regret that if I was thinking, I wouldn't be in this situation, letting me wonder off into thinking my purpose, leading onto the meaning of life.
I never thought of myself as a pholosifer until now though... Strange.		2008-11-10 14:02:00

Author:
TheArmedReaper
Posts: 1543

Stix, I went through the exact same thing as what you said last week. :/

When I finally reached my conclusion, I realized that we don't have to do anything that people say. We don't have to do anything. It's quite interesting, because I realized that if I just walked out of school in the middle of class, there would be no one to stop me.

True but you would really regret it later in life when you are pulling 12 hr shifts for min wage wearing a hairnet and a namebadge.

My advice is just do something you love and don't wander into a job you think will be 'ok' then spend the next 20yrs regretting it.		2008-11-10 14:51:00

Author:
Piratepete
Posts: 110

I just tried to read it again! I just can't understand o_O And i've got 4 A's for english now

(In dutch 10/10) -___-		2008-11-10 15:00:00

Author:
Yarbone
Posts: 3036

True but you would really regret it later in life when you are pulling 12 hr shifts for min wage wearing a hairnet and a namebadge.

My advice is just do something you love and don't wander into a job you think will be 'ok' then spend the next 20yrs regretting it.

The point of that whole thought would be that we don't have to work. We can just walk away from society without any consequence. We don't have to work, we don't have to do anything!		2008-11-10 21:34:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

True, you don't have to get a job. Enjoy living on the streets! 2008-11-11 07:37:00

Author:
flakmagnet
Posts: 1084

Lol...I made this thread because I was really bored, and I felt like starting a random thread. The I figured, I'm kinda good at writing sophisticated nonsense like that, so I went for it! I didn't think you guys would actually follow on xD

Keep going 		2008-11-11 07:40:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

Can you imagine being able to "switch off" all of your senses?

Being the epitome of a "waste of space"?

How would you even....feel?

Would you feel like you're floating in some sort of endless, inaudible, abyss with no sense of gravity, or direction?

Just wasting time, until the icy cold grip of death decides to reach into you, and extinguish your mortal coil?

Would you feel hunger, pain, or longing?

I can't imagine a worse torture

I know it doesn't really have to do with your original post, but it's something i've been wondering awhile now.		2008-11-11 08:27:00

Author:
Beyond Birthday
Posts: 20

Thinking, technically, isn't part of the five senses. So by switching off your touch, sight, sound, taste and smell, you pit yourself in a state where your subconscious can freely control the surroundings directly, instead of indirectly as when you are actually "awake". So, switching off your senses would put you in a dreamlike state of infinite possibility, since your imagination takes over, and nothing "real" would interfere.

Being the epitome, or rather, physical manifestation of a waste of space, or better yet, of nothing at all gives me a rather abstract mental image. Being absolutely senseless detaches you from the real world, therefore, to you, nothing would be real. Everything would as you wish it to be, or, for lack of better wording, everything you dream it to be.

Nothing means non-existence. The statement "You are nothing" is nothing but derogatory term aimed to drag the one it is aimed at to the levels of nothing, to the low levels of non-existence. The physical manifestation of nothing, per say, is a rather contradictory idea, in the sense that nothing cannot possibly be something; And if nothing is indeed something, it can not be linked or related to the subject of nothing, since it is physically there. It is existent.

As to how one would feel...he wouldn't. Having no senses means having no direct connection to the real world besides the indirect memories stored in your mind's bank. Feelings may, theoretically, be created inside one's mind, and therefore give the illusion of "feeling". But as for the real feelings, they are left behind in the real world, and can in no way interfere with the parallel that is one's subconsciously controlled mind.

Much like a dream, you will feel whatever your mind wants you to feel. You will see, smell, taste and hear whatever your imagination brews. If your idea of this dreamlike state is like floating in an empty abyss, then so be it. If your idea of this is like swimming in a vast ocean, then so be it. Whatever idea you have of your surrounding, whatever premeditated thoughts you had of this alternate reality, will most likely end up brewed inside your mind.

Inside the trance, there would not be any sense of real time or real space, therefore "wasting time" would be nothing short of impossible. You cannot waste time when there is no time to waste. You cannot fill space, when there is no space to fill. Your mind is in an endless dimension, free from the shackles of time, space, happiness, pain, hunger and longing. For all these are natural human feelings, and feelings are due to one's senses. Once there is no sense, there is no feeling, only thought.		2008-11-11 08:58:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

This goes perfectly with my novel The Virtual Afterlife.

My novel is based on the concept of your conciousness being able to be uploaded to a computer server where you can live outside of the physical world, but you perceive the server to be real at the same time.

I am fascinated with this topic of what is reality, what are we, and I have reached the realization that we are animals who want to pretend we are somehow special thus creating philosophies.

..and no, I have known this since I was about 9 or so, I didn't JUST figure that out. xD		2008-11-11 17:12:00

Author:
Unknown User

So, if one were to lack senses, one could be considered a god?

Stix, it could be argued that thought, is nothing more than electric impulses in your brain...which is essentially what touch is.

If anything, i would want thought to vanish more than any other sense. I would hate not knowing if i'm right about anything i've thought about over a certain period of time. And with no comparisons, i would live in a state of never-ending ignorance (not that i would know haha)

And since memory, and nostalgia, also run on electric impulses, and sight, i think they are less likely to exist, in this senseless "world"

I don't even know how you could create a world around you with NO stimulation, or inspiration.

Eh, i don't know...that's what i get for typing whilst half-asleep >.<		2008-11-11 22:20:00

Author:
Beyond Birthday
Posts: 20

Marino, you always manage to bring up the subject of religion like that >_<'

I was in no way talking about religion, or the afterlife...I was merely talking about a dreamlike state. To me, and many many others, the afterlife is actually REAL, why would I argue against that in my posts? >_>

@BB: Well, kinda...you would be powerful in a sense that you can do anything...Because your subconscious is directly interfering. You're "a god" in your own mind.

There's no way to make thought vanish...Unless you're in some hypnotic trance that's halting you from your own freedom of thought. But that's not what we were talking about 		2008-11-11 22:35:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

well you can't exactly tell me thought is a constant, when we really have no idea

I'm pretty sure dead people lack the ability to think		2008-11-12 04:33:00

Author:
Beyond Birthday
Posts: 20

Death is totally different xD2008-11-12 04:35:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

I know

I just wanted to have a good point :<

I think i failed at that		2008-11-12 04:37:00

Author:
Beyond Birthday
Posts: 20

Haha, nah, you raised a good point, but it's just totally irrelevant

It's okay though, we still love you xD		2008-11-12 04:42:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

Dreamlike states exist.

They are called dreams.

As for the afterlife, go ahead and believe in it, I'm not the one wasting your time. 		2008-11-12 11:44:00

Author:
Unknown User

Believing something doesn't waste time -_-

But let's not get into that...For the better of all of us.

Dream-LIKE is different than DREAM...It's LIKE it...but not the same >_>

In dreams, your senses can interfere and wake you up...in the dream-LIKE state, in the trance in question, they cannot.		2008-11-12 11:51:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

Now the world is gone I'm just one...... I REALLY had to say that.

edit:
Landmine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell

relevance......

second edit: anyone actually know what movie that's based on I want to watch it.		2008-11-12 12:05:00

Author:
Tomo009
Posts: 274

well you can't exactly tell me thought is a constant, when we really have no idea

I'm pretty sure dead people lack the ability to think

I'm pretty sure that dead people do have the ability to think.
My answer is as accurate as yours, and I can prove it just as well as you can yours.

Of course, if they would bother with replying, it would make things so much easier.		2008-11-12 12:58:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

Landmine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell

One of my favorite Metallica songs.		2008-11-12 12:59:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

Now the world is gone I'm just one...... I REALLY had to say that.

edit:
Landmine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
Taken my soul
Left me with life in hell

relevance......

second edit: anyone actually know what movie that's based on I want to watch it.

http://www.encycmet.com/songs/sjone.shtml

The movie clips in the "One" video:
They are from the movie "Johnny Got His Gun" which is based upon the book by Dalton Trumbo who also directed the movie in 1971. The movie is about a soldier who's arms and legs were blown away by a grenade during World War I. Metallica purchased the rights to this film to use it for the music video.		2008-11-12 15:15:00

Author:
supersickie
Posts: 1366

I'm pretty sure that dead people do have the ability to think.


:eek:

Dead..people... can... THINK?



Please tell me you are kidding. You do know that death is the ceasing of all biological functions, thinking included?

You need your heart to pump blood to your brain. You need your brain to think. When you die, and everybody does, your heart stops. You cannot think if you are dead. Are you saying that pieces of animal meat that we eat can think?

If don't think we use our brains to think, then what do we use it for? I know it also controls many subconscious things such as the heart beat or homeostasis, but you know what I mean. 		2008-11-12 20:08:00

Author:
Unknown User

:eek:

Dead..people... can... THINK?



Please tell me you are kidding. You do know that death is the ceasing of all biological functions, thinking included?

You need your heart to pump blood to your brain. You need your brain to think. When you die, and everybody does, your heart stops. You cannot think if you are dead. Are you saying that pieces of animal meat that we eat can think?

If don't think we use our brains to think, then what do we use it for? I know it also controls many subconscious things such as the heart beat or homeostasis, but you know what I mean.

But couldn't there be an unknown backup to thoughts? Like a reaction of the brain dismalfunctioning and the thoughts going around...		2008-11-12 20:56:00

Author:
TheArmedReaper
Posts: 1543

Thoughts don't have a physical location in space, they are simply electrical impusles being recieved neurons which interprets the thought. Of course, I'm not an expert. For that, I would have to ask my father who is a brain surgeon and helped invent Radiosurgery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiosurgery).

If you don't believe me, in that Wiki article find "Radiosurgery, by Elson A. Montagno, MD, PhD and Renato M.E. Sabbatini, PhD, in Brain & Mind Magazine". Elson Montagno is my father.


If you have any more questions, I'd love to discuss the brain and conciousness with you all, even though I don't know much. The brain is still a very mysterious (NOT MYSTICAL!!) place. I am more of a Bio guy myself. :arg:		2008-11-12 21:24:00

Author:
Unknown User

I believe that the sophistication in that post of which comes first in the numeric order of numbers to which I am accustomed to is very well thought out and that the nonsense and drivvle that I have percieved from your innitial thoughts is although deep and meaningful, I just do not have time for any philosophy stuff, like, yeah. You know.

I can be posh too...

Marino! Im doing stuff about neurones and nerve impulses at school now. Coincidence? I think not...		2008-11-12 21:32:00

Author:
moleynator
Posts: 2914

You are? Then tell us more! I have not studied the brain in depth yet, I hopefully will in Anatomy & Physiology. Right now I am in Chemistry.: Ah well, at least we get to do this next Monday!:

STZukMlpUzc

:arg:		2008-11-12 21:36:00

Author:
Unknown User

You are? Then tell us more! I have not studied the brain in depth yet, I hopefully will in Anatomy & Physiology. Right now I am in Chemistry.

I took triple science for one of my GCSEs. That means I do biology, physics and chemistry. We get to burn stuff on friday in chemistry. 		2008-11-12 21:38:00

Author:
moleynator
Posts: 2914

We had a lot of fire labs today, it was fun. Ye gotta love fire!

http://www.kenmusgrave.com/hell2.jpg

:hero:		2008-11-12 21:47:00

Author:
Unknown User

:eek:

Dead..people... can... THINK?



Please tell me you are kidding. You do know that death is the ceasing of all biological functions, thinking included?

You need your heart to pump blood to your brain. You need your brain to think. When you die, and everybody does, your heart stops. You cannot think if you are dead. Are you saying that pieces of animal meat that we eat can think?

If don't think we use our brains to think, then what do we use it for? I know it also controls many subconscious things such as the heart beat or homeostasis, but you know what I mean.

Well, once I die, I'll try my best to get back to you to prove you wrong.
Fact is, you can prove it as effectively as I can.

Nobody knows how thoughts work, and if they really do originate in the brain or not. For all we know, the brain could just be there to carry out our thoughts by regulating movements and emotions, nothing more.

It's a simple fact, we don't know. And as long as the dead keep ignoring our questions, we'll never know.		2008-11-13 16:45:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438


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