Archive: 33 posts

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Howdy Guys! Since the very release of this Heaven made in disc format, I immediately went to the cool pages with thoughts rumbling through my head shouting "Hope The pages are much better than before!" My heart sank... Remember the Beta Cool pages? Those were nice. Now all I see in the cool pages are Heart for heart levels, levels with REAL WATER, The whole: If you think ____ heart me! It's that stuff again. BUT We are early in the Game! Let's bring back the cool pages! Not just for our benefit, but for newer LBP players to have a nicer gaming experience or to prevent them from doing the same that spammed our old Cool pages. I just want a general discussion thread on ideas, etc etc.

2011-01-20 04:42:00 Author: ishotthesherrif Posts: 101

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I agree. All of these crappy levels are overflowing the skillfully made levels. I can bring one of my LBP friends to my moon, and they'll compliment some of my levels as if they were part of the story mode. Good creators need better recognition!!

2011-01-20 05:03:00 Author: aar2697 Posts: 143

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And how do you suppose we do that? We can't control the opinions or actions of others. We can't turn the Cool Pages around by simply making great levels, because they aren't going to be recognized as much as "26 FREE ITEMS!!!11!!!" and "HEART ME IF YOU THINK PS3 IS BETTER THAN XBOX". The Cool Pages in the BETA were great because the community was a smaller group of people that were personally selected by Mm - The more people you add, the more of a chance that a good amount of them are going to be bomb survival/zombie survival/free item enthusiasts. The same thing happened with LBP1, so why should LBP2 be any different? That's just the way it is, and I doubt we'll be able to make a difference. But if you actually have an idea of how we can make the Cool Pages the way they should be, then by all means, feel free to share.

2011-01-20 07:57:00 Author: TheZimInvader Posts: 3149

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We all knew this would happen really. Just use LBPC and lbp.me for all your level-finding needs.

2011-01-20 07:59:00 Author: kirbyman62 Posts: 1893

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Same thing happened with Modnation Racers. Bunch of lazy idiots with no creativity and a need for undesired praise. Even though it's attached completely to a gamertag and nothing else. It's not like people are gonna see em on the street and go hey you made that level on LBP2. And even if that did happen there's a good chance they would get their *** kicked for being a ******. But I agree best why to find good stuff is to use LBP.me, fansites like this one, and of course friends. In fact the first thing I did when I unlocked Community was to try out some levels of my friend Puppethand666 who I meet in Modnation Racers. He makes great stuff if you're looking for any recommendations.

2011-01-20 08:41:00 Author: Unknown User

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I haven't got the game yet but if the levels on the cool pages are like the current ones in LBP1, then I wonder what kind of impression that will leave on new players. The ones who don't look beyond the cool pages might say "The game is good but the user generated levels are mostly the same type of crappy levels". Actually, many people said that about LBP1 too. So i guess things will be more or less the same this time around.

2011-01-20 19:08:00 Author: D-E-S_87 Posts: 148

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I have a awesome idea. WESFUN calls up Stephanie Ravens........ Wait thats a bad idea...... WESFUN thinks...... I know how about awesome creators publish old levels updated to LBP2 standerds. XD

2011-01-20 19:11:00 Author: WESFUN Posts: 1336

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The ones who don't look beyond the cool pages might say "The game is good but the user generated levels are mostly the same type of crappy levels". Actually, many people said that about LBP1 too. So i guess things will be more or less the same this time around. That's exactly what will happen. At least the MM Picks will help a little?

2011-01-20 20:50:00 Author: midnight_heist Posts: 2513

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The best you guys can do is making great levels and getting them known. It really is all you can do, seriously. You can also push great levels out there, incitating people in playing them.

2011-01-20 20:56:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Howdy Guys! Since the very release of this Heaven made in disc format, I immediately went to the cool pages with thoughts rumbling through my head shouting "Hope The pages are much better than before!" My heart sank... Remember the Beta Cool pages? Those were nice. Now all I see in the cool pages are Heart for heart levels, levels with REAL WATER, The whole: If you think ____ heart me! It's that stuff again. BUT We are early in the Game! Let's bring back the cool pages! Not just for our benefit, but for newer LBP players to have a nicer gaming experience or to prevent them from doing the same that spammed our old Cool pages. I just want a general discussion thread on ideas, etc etc. You yourself said it in the Title..."While we can." Right there, you yourself knew, its just a matter of time before it ends up as LBP1, besides, are you implying people didn't publish good levels or didn't try to fix this before? Yer not the 1st to attmept it, m8, and really, these threads aren't gonna reach 1,000,000 people or anything, so really, you think this wil really help?

2011-01-20 20:58:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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Well, I have to agree that these threads are bi-montly. Seriously.

2011-01-20 21:04:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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Well, I never relied on the Cool Pages. Like other posters said above, not much you can do about the crap levels. You bump them off, they will just add more. I scan the Cool Pages periodically and look for quality levels (by use of grammar and description and other factors). This usually works for me as I have found a lot of good levels this way. I will also try some levels on this board as well. I also occasionally participate in F4F on this board when I have the time.

2011-01-21 01:01:00 Author: Garak101 Posts: 101

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Surly with "we can't do anything" attitude you really won't do anything ;] First of all, LBP2 just came out and there not much quality levels yet, only few from people who got game very early, so cool pages have nothing to show yet at all to begin with. I still not experience full game cool pages functionality so i can''t goes say anything about it. But one thing for sure, you guys ever asked your self why it happens? why those levels get high rated since htis is why they are on cool pages right, if you guys want to clean cool pages maybe first thing is to think how to get there how to bring quality levels there.... but wait we can;'t do anything right? Cool Pages sux right? You won't get things that you throw them out MNR problem is quite diffrent, i visit MNR once from the break and... i see same truck and characters to download from the day one.... problem here is visible black on white

2011-01-21 04:27:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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The "while we can thing" is about the early actions we could pull off. Now i'm not implying these people can't make levels. But I just want something that isn't always the same, no matter what preference. I've liked quite a few original survivals wether they have bombs or not. We have tried many times to bring the cool pages back, but this is a fresh start! If not though, I'll just come to an agreement that Mm picks are the true Cool pages. Don't you think?

2011-01-21 05:22:00 Author: ishotthesherrif Posts: 101

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I say we make a fart load of tutorials on how to make good stuff and direct everyone that wants to learn more to LBPC. At least that's what i'm doing anyway. I mean, the more they know how to make quality stuff, the less junk they'll make, right? And with being able to share Microchips, we can share massive amounts of logic with like..no thermo. If everyone gets the "I'll never use other people stuff in my level" mentallity out, and embrace other peoples logic, that's a start. Most people learn logic from others anyway, and its the same thing. It's not like you're using their objects. Maybe the focus should go towards LBWorkshop, that's where all the noobs come from. lol Spam some tutorials on LBW and maybe cool levels will make it to cool pages one day.

2011-01-21 05:37:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800

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I'm not being pessimistic, I'm being realistic. jk lol But for serious, we can turn the Cool Pages around IF we have a fairly large number of people participating. 10 - 15 people ain't gonna cut it.

2011-01-21 06:39:00 Author: TheZimInvader Posts: 3149

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Hmm. Well, the best I can offer is my attempt to make good levels and make them known. I think things will get somewhat better once the good creators begin releasing levels. Also, whoever creates games like pong/galaga/tetris/pacman first will probably get a RIDICULOUS amount of plays. Why? Because the LBP1 community has not had the opportunity to play anything like that on LBP2 yet. The people who had the beta are used to seeing that type of gameplay, but everyone else is not, so they'll go nutz over it. So don't worry. I have a feeling the levels on the cool pages now will soon be replaced with arcade games.

2011-01-21 06:57:00 Author: ShamgarBlade Posts: 1010

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I think its way too soon to tell. I've seen a few garbage levels here and there, but most of the levels I've found on the cool pages are made by recognizable creators, some even from here. Many creators haven't even released a level yet. I'm not getting my knickers in a twist just yet

2011-01-21 06:58:00 Author: RottenAvocado Posts: 319

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History is repeating itself. We've gone all the way back to 'Ramp' it would seem. Once better creators get prizes from the story, I'm sure more decent levels will start showing up.

2011-01-21 07:35:00 Author: Jedi_1993 Posts: 1518

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History is repeating itself. We've gone all the way back to 'Ramp' it would seem. Once better creators get prizes from the story, I'm sure more decent levels will start showing up. Exactly! And that's why I thought that this ramp would be perfect to bring the pages back! In LBP1 we know when we went up that ramp we hit really good air, But we bailed right when we landed. Now it's LBP2 if we pull off some insane tricks and land safely we'll win back the community of the cool pages.

2011-01-21 08:13:00 Author: ishotthesherrif Posts: 101

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That was my other point actually, I forgot to mention it. How quickly do you think we can make levels? In a couple weeks good levels will be finished, then we might get something to do, but for now, these quick-and-easy-to-make levels are going to flood.

2011-01-21 08:19:00 Author: kirbyman62 Posts: 1893

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Bring them back? Where did they go? The pub? Or from...... THE BRINK OF DESTRUCTION!?!?!?!?!?!? In some situations, they may be the same thing, but that's not the point. I say we make a fart load of tutorials on how to make good stuff and direct everyone that wants to learn more to LBPC. At least that's what i'm doing anyway. I mean, the more they know how to make quality stuff, the less junk they'll make, right? And with being able to share Microchips, we can share massive amounts of logic with like..no thermo. If everyone gets the "I'll never use other people stuff in my level" mentallity out, and embrace other peoples logic, that's a start. Most people learn logic from others anyway, and its the same thing. It's not like you're using their objects. Maybe the focus should go towards LBWorkshop, that's where all the noobs come from. lol Spam some tutorials on LBW and maybe cool levels will make it to cool pages one day. THIS.......IS........THE FUTURE!!! http://ajaxian.com/wp-content/images/back-to-the-future.jpg

2011-01-21 09:15:00 Author: tomodon246 Posts: 624

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I'm not being pessimistic, I'm being realistic. jk lol But for serious, we can turn the Cool Pages around IF we have a fairly large number of people participating. 10 - 15 people ain't gonna cut it. For sure one person is only a drop in the ocean but that's super important. Bad behavior encourages bad behavior but good behavior encourages good behavior. By being 10-15 people doing it right, we will influence other people into doing it right. That's what counts.

2011-01-21 16:19:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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For sure one person is only a drop in the ocean but that's super important. Bad behavior encourages bad behavior but good behavior encourages good behavior. By being 10-15 people doing it right, we will influence other people into doing it right. That's what counts. Yes, but out of the millions of people that play LBP, there's a chance that 10-15 of them are already doing something like this - obviously it doesn't seem to be working that well. What I'm saying is, I think it's possible, but we're going to really need to get involved and tell everyone we know so we can gather up more participants.

2011-01-21 16:24:00 Author: TheZimInvader Posts: 3149

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MM need to sort out the cool pages early. People said in the last game: 'Ugh. Cool pages suck and I don't use them anyway..." Doesn't people think that the cool pages could be a great and helpful part of the game? They shouldn't be broken. It should do what it's meant to do, and that is to help us find the greatest new levels there is. I don't think people should give up on the cool pages so early.

2011-01-21 16:53:00 Author: KQuinn94Z Posts: 1758

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MM need to sort out the cool pages early. People said in the last game: 'Ugh. Cool pages suck and I don't use them anyway..." Doesn't people think that the cool pages could be a great and helpful part of the game? They shouldn't be broken. It should do what it's meant to do, and that is to help us find the greatest new levels there is. I don't think people should give up on the cool pages so early. Thing is there people saying "Ugh. Cool pages suck and I don't use them anyway..." is small minority, Cool Pages is still most used list (well mmpick might take over that, not sure since new stuff apper there much rarly) and if your levels pretty much is guarantee it will be flooded with plays and ratings whatever they good or bad. They the one who rate low quality levels by rating them high. We need to keep in mind that computers can't be reviewers and can't guess quality of levels, this is why list depends on people playing and there rating, this is main problem, people making those levels up. This is why i saing, first off all we need to guess how cool pages works in order to find way to deliver our levels there

2011-01-21 17:17:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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This is why i saing, first off all we need to guess how cool pages works in order to find way to deliver our levels there I think it's the number of plays in relation to how long the level's been published.

2011-01-21 17:26:00 Author: TheZimInvader Posts: 3149

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(Probably wrong place to have this, but to me it relates to cool pages and has been on my mind a long time...) I think I step in the right way would be to have a high profile thread (Y'know the type that gets a headline on the top of the webpage) 'Levels that you need to play'. It might sound dumb now but I spent an awful lot of time in lbp1 trying to find great levels that nobody has played. I found tons, but when I made recommendations thread about two people would read and play it. A headline thread that say could post a level daily that needs to be played, could get a couple of hundred views and a boost in plays, which alot of the levels I found really deserved. All of you probably will slam this idea based on "What about the spotlight?" and "Just use recommendations". I don't see these effective enough in getting levels of people who might not have an lbpc account out there and well known. This of course I realise would need some dedicated people who know a great level, but the spotlight worked. This isn't in anyway competition to the spotlight but just another feature in helping great levels get noticed.

2011-01-21 17:42:00 Author: KQuinn94Z Posts: 1758

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(Probably wrong place to have this, but to me it relates to cool pages and has been on my mind a long time...) I think I step in the right way would be to have a high profile thread (Y'know the type that gets a headline on the top of the webpage) 'Levels that you need to play'. It might sound dumb now but I spent an awful lot of time in lbp1 trying to find great levels that nobody has played. I found tons, but when I made recommendations thread about two people would read and play it. A headline thread that say could post a level daily that needs to be played, could get a couple of hundred views and a boost in plays, which alot of the levels I found really deserved. All of you probably will slam this idea based on "What about the spotlight?" and "Just use recommendations". I don't see these effective enough in getting levels of people who might not have an lbpc account out there and well known. This of course I realise would need some dedicated people who know a great level, but the spotlight worked. This isn't in anyway competition to the spotlight but just another feature in helping great levels get noticed. That sounds like a good idea. But instead of just one must-play level a day, I think there should be several, like maybe 5-10. But we have to keep in mind that a VERY large majority, maybe 90%, of the people who make OMG FREE ITEMS levels and junk like that don't visit LBPC. I'm sure if they did, a lot of people here would easily knock some sense into them...

2011-01-21 18:19:00 Author: TheZimInvader Posts: 3149

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I'm telling you, the noobs gravitate towards LBworkshop. lol Go there, look at the PS3 promotion page, all H4H and Survival levels. I made a tutorial thread for Sackbots.. https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=44239-Sackbot-A.I-and-Logic-Tutorials Preventing Zombie Survival Levels, one Tutorial at a time.

2011-01-21 18:49:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800

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Well, I think a thermo-reader would help. I mean, levels have to have achieved a certain thermo in order to be on the pages. While this would not completely solve the problem (such as spammers who post useless objects to get thermo up and that some good levels might not reach the right amount of thermo), it should greatly reduce most of the bad levels. Another idea is to implement "groups". It could operate through LBP.me where there is an LBPCentral group or other groups people can make. Then, any levels released on this site can go into that group and we can play the good ones. Also, have a filter for "H4H" and "Free Prizes" as well as "Real Water" and "Unnamed Level" so we can eliminate those from our pages! If these all got combined, many great levels would be way easier found. What do you guys think?

2011-01-21 20:59:00 Author: Fading-Dream Posts: 164

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Well, I think a thermo-reader would help. I mean, levels have to have achieved a certain thermo in order to be on the pages. Wait what? Fer serious? I didn't know that.

2011-01-21 21:10:00 Author: TheZimInvader Posts: 3149

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Well, I think a thermo-reader would help. I mean, levels have to have achieved a certain thermo in order to be on the pages. While this would not completely solve the problem (such as spammers who post useless objects to get thermo up and that some good levels might not reach the right amount of thermo), it should greatly reduce most of the bad levels. Another idea is to implement "groups". It could operate through LBP.me where there is an LBPCentral group or other groups people can make. Then, any levels released on this site can go into that group and we can play the good ones. Also, have a filter for "H4H" and "Free Prizes" as well as "Real Water" and "Unnamed Level" so we can eliminate those from our pages! If these all got combined, many great levels would be way easier found. What do you guys think? I like the idea of filtering out those words on cool pages. And even if they find a way to get around it, people would know what this person is trying to do, and therefore not play it.

2011-01-22 01:23:00 Author: ishotthesherrif Posts: 101

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