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PS3 Hacking Gone Too Far

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For those of you who don't know, a recent hacking team (http://fail0verflow.com/) discovered a flaw in Sony's encryption system which allows people to run their own code on the PS3. They went to work on discovering how to break Sony's system as sort of a backlash after Sony removed the ability to install Linux. Once they had completed a clean and stable version of the hack they released it to the public to do whatever they wanted with it.

When I first read up on this I was quite excited. Currently in university en route to becoming a software engineer, I thought about how much fun it would be, and how much I would learn, being able to play around with the PS3. But some behaviour is inexcusable.

The other day there was news of people hacking the trophy system in some games, not that I care about that sort of thing but some people take pride in these achievements. The latest PS3 hack actually goes far enough as to make the online component of Modern Warfare 2 unplayable (http://www.joystiq.com/2011/01/17/ps3-hackers-make-modern-warfare-2-unplayable-infinity-ward-ca/).

Sure if you wanted to get to the top rank quickly, sure if you wanted to make your own little hacks for something like infinite ammo, but to go as far as purposely ruining the game for other people is ridiculous. It's creating a bad image for the PS3 as a platform for developers and it means that they will have to spend more time creating security systems, not to mention the inevitable piracy.

What are your thoughts on this?

Oh and for those of you enjoying Black Ops, that relies on both system and in-game security so it's safe for now.		2011-01-18 00:28:00

Author:
Killian
Posts: 2575

Despite me not playing this game at all on PS3 (and not thinking it's a particularly great game), I cannot stress enough how dissapointed I am with this. Unbelievable. Disgusted at those who ruin it for others.2011-01-18 00:51:00

Author:
ryryryan
Posts: 3767

Yeah, I'm definitely disappointed with the community. The fact that people went out to destroy people enjoyment with a great game is downright awful.

But I don't blame any of it on the person who found the jailbreak. He has specifically said that as he was working on the code he did his best to restrict pirating and such. All he was aiming for was home brew applications, and the fact that our community now has the ability to practically ruin the system is horrible...		2011-01-18 00:55:00

Author:
goldenclaw13
Posts: 224

People were adamant about their claim that "it was all done because of Sony's removal of linux and is just to get linux back."
I'd like to know where those people went..		2011-01-18 01:00:00

Author:
KoingWolf
Posts: 386

Wait, so there's CoD hacking on the PS3 too?! I just can't believe it. I mainly play CoD on my XBox, so normally I would find hacking to be normal, since I somehow get into glitched and hacked matches all the time for some strange reason. But hearing this makes me wanna sell all my CoD PS3 games (MW1, CoD WaW, MW2 and Black Ops) back. It just annoys the crud outta me knowing that somewhere out there, someone is ruining CoD for everyone. I've heard plenty of bad-mouthing and even some threats on PS3 CoD, but never have I ever heard of PS3 CoD hacks!2011-01-18 01:30:00

Author:
Fail4all
Posts: 106

Good job hackers. This is great news.

Sony will hopefully have no choice but to accept it, and let the PS3 become the glorious type of pirate's paradise the PSP is. 		2011-01-18 01:33:00

Author:
Voltergeist
Posts: 1702

Good job hackers. This is great news.

Sony will hopefully have no choice but to accept it, and let the PS3 become the glorious type of pirate's paradise the PSP is.

Last year Sony didn't mention PSP sales figures at E3. When asked why, a representative simply said "piracy is killing us". For the large majority of individuals hoping for the PS3 to develop as a platform rather that what the PSP has turned into, it doesn't seem like a paradise.		2011-01-18 01:44:00

Author:
Killian
Posts: 2575

See, this is what gives hackers a bad name. Hacking single player and local multiplayer is fun,and can be a laugh for friends and yourself, but when you bring hacking online JUST to make the game worse for others you are the worst kind of gamer, and deserve to be punished severely.2011-01-18 01:46:00

Author:
Brian_Istenes
Posts: 151

So now I can't play MW2 online unless it is with one of my friends!!

*Finds hackers homes. Waits for the perfect moment to snipe them.*		2011-01-18 02:21:00

Author:
ConverseFox
Posts: 2333

Wow. It looks like I'll be playing Zombies with my friends much more now. MW2 on the PC is worse though. Everyone hacks. 2011-01-18 02:37:00

Author:
eagerneph
Posts: 1536

That's insane stuff right there. How do these people have the resources and knowledge to do this?

I don't know a huge amount about game programming. Killian, you say that your a University student on a Software Engineer course? Could you have access to the various tools and tips needed to hack like this?

Only asking out of curiosity. I'm not asking you to hack for me or anything like that! 		2011-01-18 02:57:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

For now atleast custom firmware is bricking consoles.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/01/17/why-you-shouldnt-install-custom-firmware-on-your-ps3/		2011-01-18 08:09:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

That's insane stuff right there. How do these people have the resources and knowledge to do this?

I don't know a huge amount about game programming. Killian, you say that your a University student on a Software Engineer course? Could you have access to the various tools and tips needed to hack like this?

Only asking out of curiosity. I'm not asking you to hack for me or anything like that!

Well you can apply the initial hack the team created with something like a USB. Then it's just a matter of getting familiar with the architecture and languages of the PS3, so the audience for this kind of thing is quite large.		2011-01-18 09:10:00

Author:
Killian
Posts: 2575

MW2 unplayable!? That's horrible! That's insane! That's- well, I never liked that game to be honest. :/

Still, if those hackers even dare touch LBP2.... 		2011-01-18 10:45:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

I'm shocked that you're all shocked, because that is human nature in all it's ugly glory.2011-01-18 11:22:00

Author:
KILLA_TODDZILLA
Posts: 653

I hope someone will be punished and my life as a Sony gamer won't suffer.2011-01-18 11:46:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Good job hackers. This is great news.

Sony will hopefully have no choice but to accept it, and let the PS3 become the glorious type of pirate's paradise the PSP is.

yeah i can't wait to play roms of old games i've already played a thousand times, and only get 1 new game a year		2011-01-18 12:13:00

Author:
Unknown User

I hope someone will be punished and my life as a Sony gamer won't suffer.

Hopefully, the people who implemented the security system that was too heavily based on obscurity....

The silver lining, if you want one, is that this is another case where a significant, high profile, and supposedly high tech piece of security technology has been undermined due to it's own flaws - Obviously it will be spun as "bad hackers, bad", but the truth is we need crap like this, to give the people who look after the systems that protect our important data a kick up the ****. When you consider that our communications networks and even our banks (see: chip and PIN vulnerabilities) operate similarly flawed systems, all based upon the principle of security by obscurity, the more times high profile things occur, the less chance security professionals will make the same mistakes again...		2011-01-18 12:54:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Hopefully, the people who implemented the security system that was too heavily based on obscurity....

The silver lining, if you want one, is that this is another case where a significant, high profile, and supposedly high tech piece of security technology has been undermined due to it's own flaws - Obviously it will be spun as "bad hackers, bad", but the truth is we need crap like this, to give the people who look after the systems that protect our important data a kick up the ****. When you consider that our communications networks and even our banks (see: chip and PIN vulnerabilities) operate similarly flawed systems, all based upon the principle of security by obscurity, the more times high profile things occur, the less chance security professionals will make the same mistakes again...
Also WTF was on sony's head to think"4 is a good random number!Lets use it erry time!"		2011-01-18 13:10:00

Author:
Gui_Rike
Posts: 184

Also WTF was on sony's head to think"4 is a good random number!"

Seriously! 7 is a WAAAY better random number 		2011-01-18 13:17:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

If I've learned nothing else from 5 Percenter hip-hop, like Wu-Tang & Rakim, it's that 7 is the best number.2011-01-18 14:11:00

Author:
Unknown User

Aww ****. Like the MW2 servers on PS3 really needed more hackers. I'm surprised that the same thing hasn't happened to the Xbox 360 or Wii yet. =_=

Looks like it'll be just Killzone 2 and RDR for me until they get this sorted out.		2011-01-18 14:21:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757

Its not that bad!?!? :O
It is playable isn't that abit over the top?
Just find another game 		2011-01-18 15:34:00

Author:
Jovuto
Posts: 2345

I only modded MW2, WaW and WaW zombies for private matches with friends (MW2, on Terminal, having a police car follow you on runway, with super speed and jump is just hilarious! ) But if people use the hack for piracy, shame on them :kz: The hackers said they only did it for homebrew, and if I remember correctly, IGN recently said that they haven't done anything illegally yet, but Sony need to find a way to block this really. If an update won't work, how about allowing people to bring the consoles to a Sony centre and get an actual console update?2011-01-18 17:36:00

Author:
jeperty
Posts: 486

For now atleast custom firmware is bricking consoles.

http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/01/17/why-you-shouldnt-install-custom-firmware-on-your-ps3/

that only really happens with Waninkoko's CFW, geohot's one is fine.
but then again, geohot's CFW has it harder to pirate full PS3 games on while it's perfectly easy on Waninkoko's CFW. PSN games are easy on both though.		2011-01-18 17:59:00

Author:
oldage
Posts: 2824

You really need to know the difference between hacking and cracking.
A hacker is one that changes code or physical objects into more useful things and distributes them if desired. For instance, I hacked together a few LEGOs and a flash drive to make a LEGO flash drive.
A cracker is one that searches out security weaknesses and exploits them to the detriment of the makers. If the action is criminal, it isn't hacking, it's cracking.
Get it right people.
I am a hacker, not a cracker. Although, since I am white, you could also say I'm a cracker. 		2011-01-20 21:02:00

Author:
Super_Dork_42
Posts: 1874

I do not appreove of piracy at all, but SONY too should have anticipated Hackers would try and force their way in if you challenge them and take them lightly.

There was no 'real' reason to remove Linux from all, yet they did, , and this is most likely the result of all that.
Maybe next time, they'll try to not impeed them, otherwise who knows what they'll do next. O_o		2011-01-20 21:12:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Super_Dork, that post looks familiar.

Back on topic though, I too had no anticipation of it getting this bad. No server-side security? REALLY? Even though the PS3 is a robust system and was difficult to crack doesn't mean game developers can just leave it up to Sony. Titanic, anyone? MM better have some server-side security or we're a target as much as any other community. Oh wait, LBP is a peer-to-peer based game, meaning there's no server to moderate communication between systems... 		2011-01-20 21:38:00

Author:
Unknown User

You really need to know the difference between hacking and cracking.
A hacker is one that changes code or physical objects into more useful things and distributes them if desired. For instance, I hacked together a few LEGOs and a flash drive to make a LEGO flash drive.
A cracker is one that searches out security weaknesses and exploits them to the detriment of the makers. If the action is criminal, it isn't hacking, it's cracking.
Get it right people.
I am a hacker, not a cracker. Although, since I am white, you could also say I'm a cracker.

I've heard a few definitions for both, though fail0verflow have done nothing illegal by running Linux and their own code on a system they own through a security flaw or otherwise. Sony couldn't take action on the guy who made the USB hack and their attempt now isn't looking positive. In terms of cheating on MW2's online, I'm not sure of the legal implications of that.


Back on topic though, I too had no anticipation of it getting this bad. No server-side security? REALLY? Even though the PS3 is a robust system and was difficult to crack doesn't mean game developers can just leave it up to Sony. Titanic, anyone? MM better have some server-side security or we're a target as much as any other community. Oh wait, LBP is a peer-to-peer based game, meaning there's no server to moderate communication between systems...

Yeah hopefully Sony's first party games have a higher security standard than Activision's cash cows! 		2011-01-20 22:06:00

Author:
Killian
Posts: 2575

MW2 unplayable!? That's horrible! That's insane! That's- well, I never liked that game to be honest. :/

Still, if those hackers even dare touch LBP2....

That news just ruined my day. I'm gonna miss MW2. It doesn't matter what others say. If you had MW2 and if you were any good at it, no, even if you weren't, it WAS an amazing game. Especially in comparison to Black Ops and other games, it stands alone as one of the only shooters I could play forever and NEVER got bored with. I suppose this is because I always had friends on that I played with but you could quick-scope, commando lunge, EVERYTHING. Black Ops is great because of all of the new ideas with the currency and everything but man, it has gotten old. This is one thing MW2 and LBP have over other games, they may get old after playing it for 10 hours or so on end. But the next day you're still dying to play it again and try something new or level up and get better. I would have loved to go back to that game and play it but with these hacks the game is ruined.

Sorry if I got off-topic...yea I did, but if this happens to another great game...well...who knows		2011-01-20 22:27:00

Author:
WoodburyRaider
Posts: 1651

That just ruined my day. It doesn't matter what others say. If you had MW2 and if you were any good at it, no, even if you weren't, it WAS an amazing game. Especially in comparison to Black Ops and other games, it stands alone as one of the only shooters I could play forever and NEVER got bored with. I suppose this is because I always had friends on that I played with but you could quick-scope, commando lunge, EVERYTHING. Black Ops is great because of all of the new ideas with the currency and everything but man, it has gotten old. This is one thing MW2 and LBP have over other games, they may get old after playing it for 10 hours or so on end. But the next day you're still dying to play it again and try something new or level up and get better. I would have loved to go back to that game and play it but with these hacks the game is ruined.

Sorry if I got off-topic...yea I did, but if this happens to another great game...well...who knows

I'm sorry my opinion ruined your day. Forgive me if I misread a rule somewhere that does not allow me to do such a thing.		2011-01-21 00:47:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

As long as it's not affecting our little corner of the World, LBP, I'm not that worried....2011-01-21 00:49:00

Author:
dragonember
Posts: 607

It probably will.2011-01-21 23:41:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

The optimism you all show burns so brightly it blinds me.

All we can do is condemn, and if you ever come to know a person who's be willing to do such a thing, give them a nice slap in the face and a stern word. Otherwise, hope.		2011-01-21 23:57:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

It probably will.

Hopefully it's by one with good intentions (i.e. hacking thermo). Other than that, I have no doubt in my mind that we are going to see:

- Creators with ridiculous heart counts.
- High scores in leaderboards.
- A corruption bug, more than likely spreadable through an object/level.*

*The PSP faces this problem, but it's unintentional. As for the PS3, someone might be stupid enough to make it and spread it around the Community.		2011-01-22 02:33:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

PSN update because of this?

Playstation are keeping quite as to what the new update actually does, except for "Security."		2011-01-27 04:07:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

^
https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=45905-PS3-Firmware-update-v3.56-released.

Yeah just made a thread about it, also, the hackers aready cracked the new sequrity-whatever they added...so not much help there. 		2011-01-27 04:25:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

When they're running hax, it actually shows it under their PSN name on your friends list.

My friend, who told me that he jailbroke his PS3, was on "Kevin's Awesome File Manager", or something like that. 		2011-01-27 12:42:00

Author:
KlawwTheClown
Posts: 1106

When they're running hax, it actually shows it under their PSN name on your friends list.

My friend, who told me that he jailbroke his PS3, was on "Kevin's Awesome File Manager", or something like that.

A hack that alerts Sony who's using it?

lol, fail hax? 		2011-01-28 05:01:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

I'm sorry my opinion ruined your day. Forgive me if I misread a rule somewhere that does not allow me to do such a thing.

NOOO no no no It wasn't your opinion! I meant that hearing this news ruined my day seriously nothing against you! Sorry if that was confusing I only meant the news of the MW2 hacking ruined my day.		2011-01-28 17:18:00

Author:
WoodburyRaider
Posts: 1651

It would be seriously bad if someone hacked LBP for their own greedy needs... But what if one was to hack into it and find leftover data for removed content, such as ice? That would be a good thing, no? Just because the content isnt useable, doesnt mean it still isnt on the disc, remember the guy who got Sephiroth and the bee costumes? Someone could hack those out too, hell, maybe even find the code from when LBP wasn't restricted by layers. They might find other things we don't know about...2011-01-31 21:38:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

lol infinity ward is blaming the jailbreak for their own mistakes

wake up people there were already hackers in mw2 before this whole jailbreak thing

btw sony is working hard to keep hackers away from psn		2011-01-31 22:15:00

Author:
oliox
Posts: 6

lol infinity ward is blaming the jailbreak for their own mistakes

wake up people there were already hackers in mw2 before this whole jailbreak thing

btw sony is working hard to keep hackers away from psn
FourZeroTwo admitted it was infinity wards mistake on their forums. He also said that there isn't much they can currently do and they are hoping that sony can fix the problem with their security. They also said that in future titles they will use their own security similar to how treyarch have done in Blops.
IW have never blamed anyone else they realise they have made mistakes and I think this is a very bold move by them. Companies don't usually want to say they made a mistake.		2011-01-31 22:21:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

It probably will.

It already is.

Stephanie Ravens is using a jailbroken PS3 to get access to secret dlc
for free		2011-01-31 22:59:00

Author:
GreatWhite000
Posts: 673

^ lol'd, but seriously, someone needs to hack into the data for ice...2011-01-31 23:01:00

Author:
JamesDNaux
Posts: 757

Stephanie Ravens is using a jailbroken PS3 to get access to secret dlc
for free

Any proof of this? This has great implications for the future of LBP if people can hack DLC.

I'll start passing out the week one tee left and right, lawl.		2011-02-01 00:17:00

Author:
Voltergeist
Posts: 1702

Any proof of this? This has great implications for the future of LBP if people can hack DLC.

I'll start passing out the week one tee left and right, lawl.

Duh, my uncle jailbroke his PS3 :| He got all of the RDR DLC

And you can get free apps with a jailbroken iPod, and since the two are made by the same guy, you would figure that the dlc is free, even if you've never messed with a jailbroken PS3.


Here's the thing he uses:
http://www.ps3breakstore.com/		2011-02-01 01:31:00

Author:
GreatWhite000
Posts: 673

Today, I wanted to go on MW2. I enjoyed the game and it's been a while since I'd last played it.

Every lobby I joined, every single one was hacked. Every hack imaginable was happening and I could see them being controlled through kill cams. Modern Warfare 2 is completely unplayable online now. It amazes me that the hackers find it "Fun" to run around killing people with not even a remote chance of being killed themselves. No aiming is necessary for them either. I've got to ask, where is the fun in that?

Honestly, If you have MW2, go and have a quick look online to see the mess it's in. (Actually, maybe stay away. Who knows what else these basement dwellers can do!?)		2011-02-06 17:36:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

I've got to ask, where is the fun in that?

Coming online and seeing people rage about them hacking. 		2011-02-06 17:39:00

Author:
Voltergeist
Posts: 1702

Coming online and seeing people rage about them hacking.

As I see it, having fun at the expense of others' enjoyment is a really... well, I can't say it here, but needless to say I consider you quite a bit of a ***hat if that's where you derive your enterntainment from.		2011-02-06 17:49:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

Coming online and seeing people rage about them hacking.

That sounds like fun. Jeez, my morale for the human race has just gone down even more.

Heres what MW2 looks like if anyone's interested.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1CSGTd87RY&feature=related		2011-02-06 17:56:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

That sounds like fun. Jeez, my morale for the human race has just gone down even more.

Heres what MW2 looks like if anyone's interested.


That's terrible. The guy who downloaded the hack so that he'd be the host in that game wasn't even smart enough to use it right away haha he didn't even realize he could hack until about a minute in. That's probably one of the more ridiculous hacks but I think the worst one is the one where the host jumps up in the corner of the map (it was on Favela so he was behind the Jesus statue) and he had octopus arms with no guns and shot AC130 bullets with his finger tips with an aimbot. He had about 200 kills before I finally left.

The only decently good hack I've seen so far is one where a guy created a story mode while you're in the middle of a game. It glitched everyone into the sky and showed them falling into the map Highrise from above and then the screen went black saying "Shoulda used your parachute..." and then the screen goes white and everyone falls back into the map. Just thought I'd share that because it was interesting to watch...until I was hit by an "unfair aimbot."		2011-02-06 19:06:00

Author:
WoodburyRaider
Posts: 1651

One of the most annoying hacks I came across earlier, was having the start menu disabled. So, if you wanted to quit, you couldn't and the hacker could keep killing you. -_-

I wonder is this will ever be fixed? COD and IW have really gone to the dogs. It's like the wild west out there now.		2011-02-06 19:13:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

I wonder is this will ever be fixed? COD and IW have really gone to the dogs. It's like the wild west out there now.
I've heard (an article on gameinformer.com somewhere) that it literally can't be fixed by the game developers and only by Sony. Messed up...I was thinking about playing MW2 but it's so messed up I'm afraid...		2011-02-06 19:19:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

There is nothing good I could say about hackers. First hacking the console and then publishing the code knowing that it will be abused for illegal stuff is a criminal act! In my opinion they deserve prison for that because they are abettors. Everyone with a brain knwos that it will be used for illegal copies and downloading stuff from PSN. Just because they or others want to use Homebrews is no excuse.2011-02-06 20:26:00

Author:
Chrree
Posts: 554

Well, good thing I'm not much of a shooter. I'm already terrible with first person shooters.

But seriously, the internet will never grow up.
Hacking is already bad. But if you really are gonna hack, at least use it for the benefit of man or something.		2011-02-07 04:20:00

Author:
Fang
Posts: 578

I've heard (an article on gameinformer.com somewhere) that it literally can't be fixed by the game developers and only by Sony. Messed up...I was thinking about playing MW2 but it's so messed up I'm afraid...

It's SO messed up man, it's beyond belief.

You know what really blows though? People are still buying this game oblivious to the hackers, so Activation are making money off of a game that does't even work. I know that the blame lies in the community, but seriously, MW2 (and COD4 too) need to come with disclaimers so that people know what they are buying. The game is now story mode only.

Im pretty P'd off.		2011-02-07 04:36:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

So, I don't know if anyones been keeping an eye on all of this, but the guy responsible for the Jailbreak, George Hotz, has been in and out of court recently.

Sony won the case (surprise, surprise) and this Hotz guys is getting all of his equipment taken away from him.
Source: http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/2/11/sony-gets-geohots-hardware-judge-rules/

I think that there was talk about suing the guy too, which I think is a little unfair. If I were them, I'd employ the him to test future software!		2011-02-11 11:02:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

Kevin Butler VP of massive balls ups http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/09/ps3-jailbreak-code-retweeted-by-sonys-kevin-butler-no-punchl/2011-02-11 11:47:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

but seriously, MW2 (and COD4 too) need to come with disclaimers so that people know what they are buying. The game is now story mode only.

All online games do.

What, you've never seen a single "game experience may change during online play" screen? 		2011-02-11 13:17:00

Author:
Asbestos101
Posts: 1114

All online games do.

What, you've never seen a single "game experience may change during online play" screen?

Nope. Guess I need to read the small print huh?

I guess having an unpleasant, cheated experience is still an experience, right? Curse those suits at Sony.		2011-02-11 13:36:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

Everyone knows these games are bought for the online capabilities... I smell class-action lawsuit... Or atleast, a televised multi-media covered disc-burning!

There you go... multiplayer is dead. As far as era's go-- it was pretty short.:hrmf:		2011-02-11 14:39:00

Author:
Gravel
Posts: 1308

I'm curious. Has anyone ever had their bank details stolen and their account emptied due to their PSN account being hacked into?2011-02-11 14:42:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130


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