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I wrote this becuase of my crazy school and their dumb reasons for not supporting Barack Obama. Even though it is over it is still a problem at my school. This could help you defend him if this is happening at your school or it might change your mind about him being president. If you have good reason for not supporting you're OK.

>He is NOT the anti christ.
``No where in the bible does it say that the anti christ is a muslim man because Islam(muslim religon) was not created until after the bible.
>He is not a Muslim period(even if he was whats wrong with that)
>If someone says he was only elected because he is black here are a few reason why that is not possible. 52.4% of the US voted for him
``The percentage of African Americans in the US is 12.8%. So tell me how that is possible
``When i said that he(a dude) said Hispanics too. (he actually said mexicans.) The hispanic population is 15%. That plus African American is still not 52%
>People say because of California's gays. Thats what the say in my school. Both John McCain and Barack Obama both are for *** rights.
>TAXES. He is raising the taxes from maximum of about 35% to 39% for people who make over $250,000 a year. They can afford a tax increase.
``We need that tax increase to get out of our debts.
>The sex educarion in Kindergarten.
``It is APPROPRIATE sex education, and it is not mandatory. (parents can sign there children out)
>Taking away gun rights. (I live in AL so people have a problem with that.)
``He can not take away guns because it is in the Bill of Rights. It is up to congress to pass an amendment to change that.
>He supported raising the salary of teacher.(they deserve it)
>Removal out of Iraq
``Leaving Iraq wil not cause US to get bombed(probably not defenatly)
``If we had not gone their in the first place Al Queda would have stayed in Afghanistan and not moved to Pakistan.
``The US operation in Iraq was not fighting AL Queda it was called Enduring Iraqi Freedom. We went to dethrone their dicatator. We completed the mission. Lets bring our family and friends home.		2008-11-06 00:56:00

Author:
Coltfirearms
Posts: 269

I welcome him as president of our united states.2008-11-06 01:24:00

Author:
Carlos
Posts: 14

there r soooo many things i wanna say but i dont wanna b mean... this is a happy place but i agree with some things... lik teacher salary raise!!!

im a McCAIN supporter but im not totally against obama i just disagree with some things he says hes gonna do...		2008-11-06 01:25:00

Author:
ea9492
Posts: 444

Teacher Raise = Better encouragement of doing their job = Better schools.

Simple as that.		2008-11-06 01:27:00

Author:
Carlos
Posts: 14

I'm going to warn you guys beforehand, if I see any signs of a flamewar, I will close this thread, no questions asked.2008-11-06 01:28:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

Thats cool with me.2008-11-06 01:43:00

Author:
Coltfirearms
Posts: 269

Now that is out of the way, I can say I agree with most of your points, except the whole Iraq war thing. We don't need to pull out of there now, things are going too well for us. >_<2008-11-06 01:59:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

I'm going to warn you guys beforehand, if I see any signs of a flamewar, I will close this thread, no questions asked.

thts y i didnt say evrything tht waas on my mind...............		2008-11-06 02:09:00

Author:
ea9492
Posts: 444

I'm Barack Obama, and I approve this message.

People are finding it harder just to get by. If i'm elected President... eh, I forget how the rest of it goes.		2008-11-06 02:12:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

Honestly, I think there's going to be a lot of ignorant ranting over the next year or so. Many McCain supporters are butt-hurt that he didn't win, so they are trying to find a reason for it. When it comes down to it, I trust Obama much more than I trust McCain, and I'm glad most Americans agree.

Also, the majority of people who voted for Obama are Caucasian. There's no "race" leverage to speak of. The only thing Barack Obama did was get a lot of minorities who previously didn't care about elections to vote. That's an accomplishment in and of itself.		2008-11-06 02:53:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

Honestly, I think there's going to be a lot of ignorant ranting over the next year or so. Many McCain supporters are butt-hurt that he didn't win, so they are trying to find a reason for it. When it comes down to it, I trust Obama much more than I trust McCain, and I'm glad most Americans agree.

Also, the majority of people who voted for Obama are Caucasian. There's no "race" leverage to speak of. The only thing Barack Obama did was get a lot of minorities who previously didn't care about elections to vote. That's an accomplishment in and of itself.

I second that notion.		2008-11-06 02:58:00

Author:
Coltfirearms
Posts: 269

More like our horrible economy made everyone want to actually "care" to vote.2008-11-06 03:45:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

More like our horrible economy made everyone want to actually "care" to vote.

I said that too, it would be a better reason to use than ' its because hes black ', our economy is really stupid right now and im glad a bunch of people voted this time around.. and for Obama =)

Also, saving lives is better than doing well at the moment in the war.		2008-11-06 04:06:00

Author:
BobMarley
Posts: 260

Anybody notice how similar to Reagan Obama is?2008-11-06 04:07:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

Now that is out of the way, I can say I agree with most of your points, except the whole Iraq war thing. We don't need to pull out of there now, things are going too well for us. >_<

18 American soldiers died in October. That is going well for you??


Anybody notice how similar to Reagan Obama is?

No.		2008-11-06 04:14:00

Author:
sqweak
Posts: 17

18 American soldiers died in October. That is going well for you??
We lost more soldiers on D-Day than we've lost in the entire Iraq War, so yes.

No.
I was talking about his strategies. :/		2008-11-06 04:28:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

Anybody notice how similar to Reagan Obama is?
Yeah, I've noticed the resemblances. His campaign team has as well, actually. He plays on that during his speeches, in a very subtle way.

18 American soldiers died in October. That is going well for you??
Well, if you want to be fair, that's pretty good compared to 99% of the wars we've had. To be blunt, when we're in active warfare, 18 soldiers is a rather small number. I'm not trying to trivialize their death, but it's not anything to get worried over, either.		2008-11-06 04:31:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

well if Obama turns out like raegan I don't think I'd b too mad... But I still don't think he shouldve won based on wit he's shown... At least to me... And don't flame me cuz I have been careful not to flame neone and don't ask me to explain my reasoning cuz I choose not to do tht on the Internet I hope I'm suprised by Obama and I hope the U.S. will resolve all of our problems... I guess the US thinks Obama is the guy to do tht so I have a little more faith... Ok I'm done with my speech now LOL2008-11-06 05:05:00

Author:
ea9492
Posts: 444

We even discussed this president thingy on school -____- I'm not interested though.2008-11-06 05:32:00

Author:
Yarbone
Posts: 3036

Time to play "devil's advocate"!


I wrote this becuase of my crazy school and their dumb reasons for not supporting Barack Obama. Even though it is over it is still a problem at my school. This could help you defend him if this is happening at your school or it might change your mind about him being president. If you have good reason for not supporting you're OK.

>He is NOT the anti christ.
``No where in the bible does it say that the anti christ is a muslim man because Islam(muslim religon) was not created until after the bible.
>He is not a Muslim period(even if he was whats wrong with that)

People associate him with the Antichrist because of the way he rose to power, his unparalleled charisma, and - arguably - his ethnic origin. That said, I don't believe Barack Obama is the Antichrist. However, the people that are caught up in this don't think it's because of his arguable affiliation with Islam.


>If someone says he was only elected because he is black here are a few reason why that is not possible. 52.4% of the US voted for him
``The percentage of African Americans in the US is 12.8%. So tell me how that is possible
``When i said that he(a dude) said Hispanics too. (he actually said mexicans.) The hispanic population is 15%. That plus African American is still not 52%

No, it's not 52%, but it's a solid step in the right direction. That said, the Democrats have always carried the Hispanic and African American votes pretty easily. Barrack Obama is nothing special as far as that goes.


>People say because of California's gays. Thats what the say in my school. Both John McCain and Barack Obama both are for *** rights.

California was - and always will be - a blue state before the campaigns even started.


>TAXES. He is raising the taxes from maximum of about 35% to 39% for people who make over $250,000 a year. They can afford a tax increase.

These people already pay 90% of the income tax in this country. Should we really expect them to accept that the government wants even more of their money? Man, it must be great to have worked really hard to earn that much on a yearly basis and then be punished for having a capitalist mindset.


``We need that tax increase to get
>The sex educarion in Kindergarten.
``It is APPROPRIATE sex education, and it is not mandatory. (parents can sign there children out)

What are you talking about again? That's what the tax increase is meant to establish?


>Taking away gun rights. (I live in AL so people have a problem with that.)
``He can not take away guns because it is in the Bill of Rights. It is up to congress to pass an amendment to change that.

* 1994 to 2001 - Obama was on the board of the anti-gun Joyce Foundation. This foundation is the largest funding source for radical anti-gun groups in the country.
* 1996 - Obama supported a ban on the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns.
* 1999 - Obama proposed a 500 percent increase in the excise taxes on firearms and ammunition. This tax would effectively punish gun owners for buying guns and ammunition.
* 2003 - Obama voted in support of legislation that would have banned privately owned hunting shotguns, target rifles and black powder rifles in Illinois.
* 2004 - Obama voted against legislation intended to protect homeowners from prosecution in cases where they used a firearm to halt a home invasion.

Maybe he won't take them away, but he could make it very hard to legally own a gun.


>He supported raising the salary of teacher.(they deserve it)

Doesn't this go without saying? Can you seriously think of another candidate for... anything... that would have been against educators receiving salary increases?


>Removal out of Iraq
``Leaving Iraq wil not cause US to get bombed(probably not defenatly)
``If we had not gone their in the first place Al Queda would have stayed in Afghanistan and not moved to Pakistan.
``The US operation in Iraq was not fighting AL Queda it was called Enduring Iraqi Freedom. We went to dethrone their dicatator. We completed the mission. Lets bring our family and friends home.

From Obama's site:


Barack Obama will responsibly end the war in Iraq:

Immediately upon taking office, Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: successfully ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased.

Encourage political accommodation:

Obama and Biden will press Iraq's leaders to take responsibility for their future and to substantially spend their oil revenues on their own reconstruction.

Increase stability in Iraq and the region:

Obama and Biden will launch an aggressive diplomatic effort to reach a comprehensive compact on the stability of Iraq and the region. They also will address Iraq's refugee crisis.

Therefore, it's going to be a while before we're out of Iraq even under Obama's plan; not an overnight thing by any means. That said, it's likely the United States will be out of Iraq altogether by 2011 even without Obama at the helm.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article5032531.ece

Afghanistan is a different story. One area I definitely agree with the president-elect is the need for more troops in Afghanistan.		2008-11-06 13:44:00

Author:
supersickie
Posts: 1366

Teacher Raise = Better encouragement of doing their job = Better schools.

Simple as that.

Carlos, I can say that this is just a myth that has no basis in fact that has been incorrectly perpetuated?

Washington D.C. has the highest base salaries in the United States.
Their public schools also have the lowest graduation rates and test scores for any of the standardized tests and they also have among the highest school drop out rates in the United States.

Not slamming you, just stating that it's never been proven that more money = better teachers. Get rid of the teachers' unions, the Dept of Education, and the "tenure" protection-scheme racket, and you'd see some improvement in public schools, but not until then. More money doesn't make teachers any better at their job. Either than can teach or they can't.		2008-11-06 15:01:00

Author:
DaSaintFan
Posts: 136

We spend $12 billion a month in Iraq and Afghanistan alone (maybe not anymore, I can't check this at school). If not nothing else, it saves us some money pulling out.
Just my $.02 to anyone who complains about us not staying in those countries.		2008-11-06 15:17:00

Author:
HobocidalManiac
Posts: 117

We spend $12 billion a month in Iraq and Afghanistan alone (maybe not anymore, I can't check this at school). If not nothing else, it saves us some money pulling out.
Just my $.02 to anyone who complains about us not staying in those countries.

The fact is that people are only worried about leaving too early because it might mean the collapse of the governments in those regions. Sure, we'd save money by pulling out right away, but would it necessarily be the right thing to do?		2008-11-06 15:32:00

Author:
supersickie
Posts: 1366

The fact is that people are only worried about leaving too early because it might mean the collapse of the governments in those regions. Sure, we'd save money by pulling out right away, but would it necessarily be the right thing to do?

The right thing to do would probably have never having gone in there and throwing out the one thing in 700 years that had stoppef them from killing eachother, so if we pull out now (and most likely if we ever pull out), it would just destroy that country. So, there really would be no right thing to do over there anymore...		2008-11-06 20:35:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

In response to super sickie

The tax thing i forgot to finish that sentence. I meant to say to get out of the countries debt and the economic crisis.

And about the gun he can't make it hard to carry a gun unless congress passed a bill and he signed it.


Also about the ethnic back ground. What does that have to do with being the anti christ?		2008-11-07 00:35:00

Author:
Coltfirearms
Posts: 269

In response to super sickie

The tax thing i forgot to finish that sentence. I meant to say to get out of the countries debt and the economic crisis.

And about the gun he can't make it hard to carry a gun unless congress passed a bill and he signed it.


Also about the ethnic back ground. What does that have to do with being the anti christ?

As I said before, Barrack will definitely push for more gun control and Congress - mostly comprised of Democrats mind you - probably won't put up much resistance to something like that.

Perhaps I didn't phrase this right earlier. According to Revelation, the Antichrist will originate in the Middle East. That said, I was insinuating that the people that believe Obama to be the Antichrist are under the impression he originates from the Middle East. So, ethnic background does have very much to do with it, but Barrack Obama, again, doesn't fit the bill.		2008-11-07 12:24:00

Author:
supersickie
Posts: 1366

Ok now i see what your saying.2008-11-07 12:35:00

Author:
Coltfirearms
Posts: 269

As I said before, Barrack will definitely push for more gun control and Congress - mostly comprised of Democrats mind you - probably won't put up much resistance to something like that.

Perhaps I didn't phrase this right earlier. According to Revelation, the Antichrist will originate in the Middle East. That said, I was insinuating that the people that believe Obama to be the Antichrist are under the impression he originates from the Middle East. So, ethnic background does have very much to do with it, but Barrack Obama, again, doesn't fit the bill.

your right on this, however it doesn't mean he can't help usher in the antichrist.		2008-11-07 15:59:00

Author:
Sackboy
Posts: 164

your right on this, however it doesn't mean he can't help usher in the antichrist.

Anyone can help usher in the Antichrist.

For all you know, you lot are helping usher me in right now. >_>		2008-11-07 17:54:00

Author:
ScytheOfGrim
Posts: 438

MAte you need to move schools, sounds like they are training the Hitler youth there!2008-11-07 19:11:00

Author:
Piratepete
Posts: 110

Considering that Propostion 8 passed in a state that voted overwhelmingly for Obama, I'd say that whole "He won because of *** people in California" thing is not only wrong, but doesn't make any **** sense.2008-11-09 05:19:00

Author:
dobilay
Posts: 60

your right on this, however it doesn't mean he can't help usher in the antichrist.
Lets back up a minute: There have been hundreds of so-called "doomsday" predictions over Humanity's history. All that specified specific dates have thus failed(obviously). Now, we've had people worry that the world was coming to an end before(Y2K), but we're still here. Humans love to think about the end of times - it's a subject that has no limits. You can imagine when, where, how it will happen without any restraint. Now that a black man has been elected president, many who didn't even know they were racist are now worried that this could be a sign of the end of days? Honestly, I think all of these people are ignorant bigots who should leave my gene pool immediately, but that's beside the point: This irrational fear is born out of something new, and for many, something scary. We've never had someone black lead our country before, and now that it's going to happen, people are showing their true colors. President-elect Obama, in my opinion, will be a great president, possibly one of the best. I don't hate those who disagree with me, but once you start claiming this is a precursor to the apocalypse, you lose my respect.		2008-11-09 08:20:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

Again and again I hear and see people out there who truly believe that a leader, at one point in time, was or is the antichrist. Like Cartman had said, this has been proven wrong too many times to count, for obvious reasons.

Many people even believed at one point that the Pope himself in the antichrist. The leader of the Church is the one to bring it down. I find that truly contradictory and somewhat offensive.

Yes, it has been stated that the antichrist will be a very powerful leader in our lifetime, but that gives us no right to step up and accuse every single leader out there of being that evil figure. By the election of a black man as president, racism is being defeated, surely, that is no sign of evil.		2008-11-09 08:31:00

Author:
Stix489
Posts: 2080

that always racist and no one can say that they are not racist

im unsure about the war thing because i dont know why we went in, i thought we went into aganstian to stop the russian invasion, and then they turned aganist us		2008-11-10 20:56:00

Author:
panzer3000
Posts: 362

I'd like to add to this conversation a bit of stupidity I saw on CNN:

Apparrently some people are illegally selling tickets to Obama's inarguation, despite only congress being able to decide that and they won't till January- which, of course, led some bitter McCain supporters to comment there that, obviously, it Was Obama who made all those people scalpers.

>_> Stupidity abounds everywhere, in every single person. Can't fight it, because, once you think about it- humans are pure idiots no way around it. And no, I include myself in the realm of idiocy.

Thank you for your time, and good night.		2008-11-10 21:02:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

that always racist and no one can say that they are not racist

im unsure about the war thing because i dont know why we went in, i thought we went into aganstian to stop the russian invasion, and then they turned aganist us

I'm thinking you're a bit confused as to the history between Russia and Afghanistan; you're a couple of decades off in your assessment:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_war_in_Afghanistan#1979:_Soviet_deployment


I'd like to add to this conversation a bit of stupidity I saw on CNN:

Apparrently some people are illegally selling tickets to Obama's inarguation, despite only congress being able to decide that and they won't till January- which, of course, led some bitter McCain supporters to comment there that, obviously, it Was Obama who made all those people scalpers.

>_> Stupidity abounds everywhere, in every single person. Can't fight it, because, once you think about it- humans are pure idiots no way around it. And no, I include myself in the realm of idiocy.

Thank you for your time, and good night.

Here's the source RockSauron was referencing.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/10/inaugration.tickets/index.html

Face it, Obama's a superstar and people are more than willing to buy themselves into the event. Does feel kind of dirty though, doesn't it?		2008-11-10 21:21:00

Author:
supersickie
Posts: 1366

I Barrack Obama, will do all that I can to fix the economy. I hope2008-11-11 13:05:00

Author:
Unknown User

Lets back up a minute: There have been hundreds of so-called "doomsday" predictions over Humanity's history. All that specified specific dates have thus failed(obviously).

don't forget, Cartman.. the mayan calendar quits on December 21st, 2012... so that's the "big" date 		2008-11-11 22:55:00

Author:
DaSaintFan
Posts: 136

/me impressed with the level of maturity shown by everyone here, this could have turned into a typical forum flamefest and got locked. You guys rock!

I'm happy Obama won - it's good for you guys in the US and it's good for the world.		2008-11-11 22:58:00

Author:
chillum007
Posts: 228

/me impressed with the level of maturity shown by everyone here, this could have turned into a typical forum flamefest and got locked. You guys rock!

I'm happy Obama won - it's good for you guys in the US and it's good for the world.

Don't confuse us with those OTHER forums! We are ABOVE them... Yeah >_>

Get used to it... We tend to be... "mature" around here.

Though this reminds me of what I heard of Super-Republican in my class and some other super-Republican say out in the halls- essientally saying that now Obama is going to repaint the White house into the Black house, and throw parties in da hood or something. >_<

Because that makes an inkling of sense... Ah well.		2008-11-11 23:02:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

I like Obama even thought im Canadian i know what hes doing and i think hes going to do a great job2008-11-19 01:47:00

Author:
LittleBigUniverse
Posts: 46

Congrats to Obama.
I had nothing against McCain, well a few things but nothing that I would've minded him being president for, but I DESPISED Palin. To a bitter core. So I'm glad that's over with.		2008-11-19 01:56:00

Author:
ZachAttack
Posts: 73

Why are people so worried that he'll make it harder to own guns? Surely that's a good thing.

As for him being the anti-christ, do people still actually believe that kind of stuff? o_O		2008-11-21 10:46:00

Author:
AtheistSeaOtter
Posts: 54


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