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Some ppl (from lbpc) having access to full lbp2 build?

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I heard a rumour,
and looking at the particular ppl mentioned in that rumour's time spend in the Beta..
Im starting to think its true.

(some things that kinda could be part of this rumour)
Comph's talked about contact with sony ( https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=42084-Win-a-JOB-making-LBP2-levels-for-Playstation )
And both rtm and comph saying they have something secret to work on.

Now the rumour goes,
that rtm, comph and a few more ppl from the lbp2-community bash have access to an actual lbp2 build and that their levels will be taken/ported to the full game.

My source sounded reliable,
and personally.. I do not know what to think about it.
Kinda makes sense, and even though I would like to say that it might be unfair..
If i was in that crew I wouldnt hesitate one second.

so if its true,
guys.. thats epic!		2010-12-27 10:32:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

I came to the exact same conclusion as you. But, being mods on LBPC as well, they might see this and lock it to hide the truth! I'm thinking too drastically though.

And it's kinda not exactly good to spread rumors around. Maybe we can just ask them? Though they might be locked in a agreement where they are not suppose to talk about it.		2010-12-27 11:03:00

Author:
PPp_Killer
Posts: 449

Review version of LBP2 are out ill not be shocked if Mm send some to fan sites and podcasts2010-12-27 11:06:00

Author:
jump_button
Posts: 1014

Review version of LBP2 are out ill not be shocked if Mm send some to fan sites and podcasts

Review versions require a special debugger PS3, I'm pretty sure. But of course they could send out the full game early since (they are printing them right now? I know LBP2 has hit gold). So where are our copies? D:<		2010-12-27 11:17:00

Author:
PPp_Killer
Posts: 449

If they work on something planned, they probably under NDA, so they won't here anything from them


debugger PS3

You mean PS3 DevKit, well it's not sure i know some previews are DRMed and be able to use normal consoles.		2010-12-27 12:02:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

Wow! I wouldn't be surprised if people like comphermc and rtm223 are given review version or build mode.



They are 2 of LBP's best and they event to CGJ.........




They deserve all this, they do amazing stuffs for our community! 		2010-12-27 12:26:00

Author:
mutant_red_peas
Posts: 516

I wish I had access to better builds than what the rest of you guys had, I really do (especially when there was so long between 1.01 and 1.02). But I get my beta client updates through PSN like everyone else.

Don't believe everything you hear on the interwebs guys 		2010-12-27 15:50:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Afaik some game review sites/magazines have the release build ATM.... *shrug*2010-12-27 16:01:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

LOL, this time it wasn't me that come up with the conspiracy theory
Kudos Lous!		2010-12-27 16:03:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

I assure you I spend as much time with the beta as anyone else. No full copy of the game for me either.

2010-12-27 17:33:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

My friend made some connections and said he got the full version of LBP2. At first I thought he was lying but the next day it said "_____ playing LittleBigPlanet2" on his PSN.2010-12-27 23:42:00

Author:
BangGhost
Posts: 53

My friend made some connections and said he got the full version of LBP2. At first I thought he was lying but the next day it said "_____ playing LittleBigPlanet2" on his PSN.

Tell me this friends PSN so I may look at his trophies on sony's website and see if if this is true or not :kz:		2010-12-27 23:44:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

(Sentence here removed due to unpleasant content )

Also Review copies are able to play on normal systems, but they will usually be missing features such as trophy support.		2010-12-27 23:49:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

My friend made some connections and said he got the full version of LBP2. At first I thought he was lying but the next day it said "_____ playing LittleBigPlanet2" on his PSN.

Are you sure it wasn't a level called "2" and he was just playing it in LittleBigPlanet?		2010-12-27 23:59:00

Author:
booXely
Posts: 654

Another interesting thing is that lbp.me shows lbp2 levels published, these are not under the name molecule_studio or whatever it was. So it seems some people do have early copies.
Note- I'm sure these weren't beta levels as beta don't appear on my lbp.me.		2010-12-28 01:19:00

Author:
Radishlord
Posts: 706

Are you sure it wasn't a level called "2" and he was just playing it in LittleBigPlanet?

I'm sure it wasn't a level named 2 because when I checked my moon in LBP1 it said he was online, but not in LBP1.		2010-12-28 02:09:00

Author:
BangGhost
Posts: 53

I wish I had access to better builds than what the rest of you guys had, I really do (especially when there was so long between 1.01 and 1.02). But I get my beta client updates through PSN like everyone else.

Don't believe everything you hear on the interwebs guys
Pretty much this. Even I don't get a debug console - and trust me, I've asked! They're very strict about who they lend them out to (that's right, you can't own a dev kit, no matter how much you may want to) - only the very biggest of the press sites get them. We'll be getting an early copy of LBP2 for review, that much I can confirm, but it won't be code running on a dev - it'll be a final, printed disc that just gets shipped to us pre-launch. Most smaller outlets get the same treatment.

So, nope, no conspiracy here. Sorry to disappoint!		2010-12-28 02:51:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

BTW yes review versions are out and able to publish levels IGN already posted a level http://lbp.me/v/v39ed42010-12-28 03:26:00

Author:
fodawim
Posts: 363

BTW yes review versions are out and able to publish levels IGN already posted a level http://lbp.me/v/v39ed4
If I were to hazard a guess, I'd say review code is out - meaning, those with dev kits have access to the game. Everyone else gets to wait until they're done pressing, packaging and shipping out their copies. When I reviewed LBP GOTY for LBPC, I didn't get the copy until about a week before release, while the big outlets got their hands on it about a month in advance.		2010-12-28 04:02:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

Well i know there Killzone 3 preview copy that works on any console, well it's not a problem to DRM those copies anyway. But you know Sony could send out unDRMs ones too on LBP2 case

http://polygamia.pl/Polygamia/1,94534,8845291,Mamy_Killzone_3__co_chcecie_wiedzi ec_.html?bo=1

Those guys for sure don't have devkits		2010-12-28 04:33:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

I have also come to this conclusion......2010-12-28 09:20:00

Author:
Amigps
Posts: 564

If so, I doubt it's a retail ready, further patched build, but maybe a cloud hosted profile? kinda like how battlenet servers contain your character data, allowing you to mule loot between PC's.2010-12-28 09:48:00

Author:
Unknown User

Now that everyones clear that you can't get lbp2 early, there's really no point in keeping this thread open. Could someone please lock it?2010-12-28 16:29:00

Author:
Scifiguy
Posts: 95


I rather keep it going

they didnt mention that they would lose their levels like anybody else
*runs and screams CONSPIRACY!!*

(I hope you guys do know that this is not to create slanter of flames towards you, but the rumour was too good to keep silent).		2010-12-28 20:19:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

Oh yeah, well... I spotted your name in the LBP2 Credits, Luos... If that doesn't scream CONSPIRACY, I don't know what does.

(Disclaimer - I am joking, please don't get angry with me. :O)		2010-12-28 20:23:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569


I rather keep it going

they didnt mention that they would lose their levels like anybody else
*runs and screams CONSPIRACY!!*

(I hope you guys do know that this is not to create slanter of flames towards you, but the rumour was too good to keep silent).

You do know that your first level Beh'Ta level has been ported, right?

http://lbp.me/search?t=newest&g=2		2010-12-29 09:44:00

Author:
Syroc
Posts: 3193

You do know that your first level Beh'Ta level has been ported, right?

http://lbp.me/search?t=newest&g=2

Seems like quite a few of the beta levels did... intresting.....		2010-12-29 11:27:00

Author:
I_PUNT_KNOMES
Posts: 42

^that's some of the picks for review purposes. Surprised only one of Raphael's is there, and that they didn't port the 2nd Behta lvl to show the press either. I'm surprised too, that Ladylyn's really well developed race circuit isn't being demo'd, while dajdaj's Mammoth Hunt is also not being shown as a cool LBP movie over Running Man.

MM has a really odd intent with the image of the community sometimes. If it wasn't for sackfighter, I'd be 100% sure that they don't want anything too complicated or high end to make the game press get a defeatest attitude about using create mode because it might take patience & dedication.		2010-12-29 12:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

Now that everyones clear that you can't get lbp2 early, there's really no point in keeping this thread open. Could someone please lock it?

There will be early copies, we've got roughly 2 weeks of false claims followd by a week of genuine early copies and several threads per day asking how to get one.		2010-12-29 13:28:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Well i repeat what i said to Luos on chat yestoday:
I say it's not a big deal if someone got it earlier, if those people will make epic level they will do that sooner or later and raise the bar anyway, it's unavoidable


MM has a really odd intent with the image of the community sometimes. If it wasn't for sackfighter, I'd be 100% sure that they don't want anything too complicated or high end to make the game press get a defeatest attitude about using create mode because it might take patience & dedication.

I would be suppriced if they did that, point of those levels is to show what people are making and what you be able to play other then story mode, in fact if they really wanted to do that flOw level is much simpler level from Raphael mmpicks Fact that create mode is most complex editor on consoles and need quite a skill training to make something cool it's known thing and they don't avoid that words from reviewers.		2010-12-29 14:02:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

I actually saw Comph playing LBP3 the other day. I tried to join, but he denied me. Just like he denies the connection that we both share when we look into each others eyes.2010-12-29 14:19:00

Author:
mrsupercomputer
Posts: 1335

@shadow

my experience outside of our community is that no one thinks they have the time to make a level (to me, it's just time to play a game). something like Little Big Calculator in LBP1 demonstrated a cool potential, but with brevity, and not as a required foundation of 'making your own level'. they want people impressed and wanting to use their imagination, but they want it to seem accessible for everyone. like with Lego, yeah the uber statues and amusement parks made of Lego are the height of the toy's potential, but they don't want you, or your children walking into the Lego aisle and getting the impression that there's no point in even trying.

Just my assumptions about the PR handling reviewers, and MM always wondering if people will 'get it'. They want us to see it as complex, but the majority to see it as simple. Must be a hard line to walk, to want to be taken seriously but also embrace a friendly-for-all image. That's still why story mode, it's level designs and art style amaze me, even now.		2010-12-29 14:23:00

Author:
Unknown User

Well i don't think those preview levels effect that, i think reviewer visit to create mode decide on that more. But we went little off-topic.2010-12-29 14:32:00

Author:
Shadowriver
Posts: 3991

The previewed levels will effect what they think of their own work when they head into create. If they leave feeling stupid and worthless, they're gonna blame create mode instead of blaming themselves. I remember 1up talking create mode all throughout the original LBP1 beta, and it was fun to make anything, no matter how stupid. I can't wait to see one of them call MM and ask how to make a level like Sackfighter.

Then again, I listen to podcasts just to have something to disagree with, heh, so I'm probably being overly pessimistic.		2010-12-29 15:02:00

Author:
Unknown User

I don't know, Ninja. I think there's still a place for silly and stupid in LBP2, and that's sorta what I'm counting on when the game releases. Those are the sorts of levels I like and those are the sorts of levels I like to make. I have no interest in creating something like Sackfighter. For me, I'd be more interested in making flamingo racing 2.0.

The bar may be raised high with these preview levels, but I'm just going to crawl right under the bar. 		2010-12-29 15:32:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

Let's get ready to limbo, then. I love silly and/or terrible. It's usually what I do in other ppl's create session when I'm too brain dead to help. That or slapping.

I have no interest in making something like Sackfighter either. Dysfunctional 3D effects that can't even match up with their late 80's and early 90's equivalents on a high end modern console with stiff, jerky control isn't my idea of fun & nice looking anyway, but it's "neat". I'd love to make something like Adventures of Togglebot or Vectroids, though, and I'd love to see Foofles do an RPG in style of the original Phantasy Star dungeons.		2010-12-29 15:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

I'm not exactly a "pushing the envelope" sort of gal. I make what I think is fun to me. My husband said this about lbp2, and I think he's right to some extent: Just because something CAN be made in lbp2, doesn't mean it necessarily SHOULD be. Instead of trying to recreate all of Fallout 3 using the LBP2 engine, I think I'll stick to trying to take the platforming stuff to the next step. ^_^

I realize this is a bit off topic, so let's get back to it. Luos's conspiracy. I for one can admit that I have gotten 7 advance copies of LBP2. Wait till you guys see it. The Bomb-shark cheetahs makes the rocket cheetah look like a pile of puke. Oh, and the best part: If you enter create mode on the 17th of January, you get a free Super Crown. ^_^		2010-12-29 16:02:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

I want a super crown :'(2010-12-29 16:15:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

Oh, and the best part: If you enter create mode on the 17th of January, you get a free Super Crown.

I've actually got MM to make me a lil-jon inspired diamond-encrusted platinum goblet, which only I will be allowed to have, just so I can wave it in front of NinjaMicWz's face and brag at him all about how good my crunk juice tastes.


This may or may not be a true story 		2010-12-29 16:15:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Hey, hey RTM!
Gameshare? 		2010-12-29 16:43:00

Author:
Plasmavore
Posts: 1913

All while drinking your own juice 2010-12-29 16:50:00

Author:
Unknown User

I've actually got MM to make me a lil-jon inspired diamond-encrusted platinum goblet, which only I will be allowed to have, just so I can wave it in front of NinjaMicWz's face and brag at him all about how good my crunk juice tastes.


This may or may not be a true story

I don't need your crappy diamond encrusted cup, Rich! Mm gave me this! (also pictured: Supercrown)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/haleybrooks/rocketme.png		2010-12-29 17:09:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

I don't need your crappy diamond encrusted cup, Rich! Mm gave me this! (also pictured: Supercrown)

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/haleybrooks/rocketme.png

http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1378this-looks-shopped-guitar-boat-beach.jpg		2010-12-29 19:03:00

Author:
Voltergeist
Posts: 1702

^that's some of the picks for review purposes. Surprised only one of Raphael's is there, and that they didn't port the 2nd Behta lvl to show the press either. I'm surprised too, that Ladylyn's really well developed race circuit isn't being demo'd, while dajdaj's Mammoth Hunt is also not being shown as a cool LBP movie over Running Man.
They probably only ported the levels that came before the god glitch. 		2010-12-29 21:25:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

http://www.randomfunnypicture.com/pictures/1378this-looks-shopped-guitar-boat-beach.jpg

Nahh.. Sara merely used the free pop-it cursor she received in her daily bowl of Sacky-Os to transfer the Rocket Cheetah into TEH REEL WURLDZ!!!1!!!!1!1!!11!!111!!111!!!!!		2010-12-29 21:36:00

Author:
Plasmavore
Posts: 1913

There's too much "" in here. I'm the one who told Luos this.2010-12-29 21:53:00

Author:
Unknown User

If there are any super secret Centralers making super secret levels for the secretly superior Media Molecule, they better be good! Other than that, have fun guys!2010-12-30 01:41:00

Author:
Night Angel
Posts: 1214

If it wasn't for sackfighter, I'd be 100% sure that they don't want anything too complicated or high end to make the game press get a defeatest attitude about using create mode because it might take patience & dedication.

Well maybe they did want the media to see what cool things you could make and also to see what you could make with patience.

OR,

They put that lvl in just to throw you off. <(^w^<)		2010-12-30 01:55:00

Author:
Devious_Oatmeal
Posts: 1799

Ahem...for nothing to be going on there does seem to be a lot of winking. Put it this way: there's an awful lot of commotion for something that's not going on.2010-12-30 03:21:00

Author:
TheCountessZ
Posts: 537

Anyway...my 2 cents...
If someone here got advance copies, well they quite deserved them...
If they have not, well this confirms me that the Molecules are great devs with lame ability to judge...too much stuff not MM picked, too much people still without a Crown...and
this (http://lbp.me/v/06x4).
XD		2010-12-30 07:03:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Ahem...for nothing to be going on there does seem to be a lot of winking. Put it this way: there's an awful lot of commotion for something that's not going on.

Ah yes, because the LBP community has never, ever, made a massive fuss over nothing. Ever

Believe what you will, I can still assure you that I've certainly not seen a "special" build or final build or anything other than the standard beta clients of the game outside of MM's offices and Eurogamer. As far as I'm aware none of the other community members here have either. I've not even seen the demo or prehistoric moves, so the chances are most of you have seen more than me at this point...		2010-12-30 10:05:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Rtm, I don't see the reason why you (and others) sound upset when there's this kind of discussion going on.
I recognize that the situation of being always looked as the people favourited by MM can be annoying, but I sure think that it's just a little downside of a much better thing.
Then, in the majority of cases (but not all of them) the people picked from MM deserves to be there because of their hard work, so you shouldn't have to fear the judgement of people.
The thing is that your behaviour becomes every time suspicious, unfortunately, since it has already happened that due to NDAs you had to hide infos, and people won't easily forget it and has marked you.
Yes, as I said, bad annoying thing, but it's just normal.
Like it or not, being an MM favourite, brought you lack of trust from people, but as Spider Man says, from great power blah blah blah.
So, like it or not, I suggest you guys to not get upset when there are Conspiration theories going...it's the internet and you're in a closed club where many would love to stay.		2010-12-30 11:48:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Ah yes, because the LBP community has never, ever, made a massive fuss over nothing. Ever

Believe what you will, I can still assure you that I've certainly not seen a "special" build or final build or anything other than the standard beta clients of the game outside of MM's offices and Eurogamer. As far as I'm aware none of the other community members here have either. I've not even seen the demo or prehistoric moves, so the chances are most of you have seen more than me at this point...

Who is talking about a final build? I was just commenting on the amount of suspicious winking going on.		2010-12-30 12:18:00

Author:
TheCountessZ
Posts: 537

@Omega, I'm not upset or concerned about being judged, don't worry. I think it's pretty fair to say that if I'd been absent from this thread it would have been deemed "suspicious", so I'm just dropping by with a bit of clarification on the subject.


Who is talking about a final build?.

The thread title and general topic of discussion?

I'm not even sure where this winking is going on tbh... Ninja mentioned winking, as did you, I'd assume luos is in on it as the thread starter (plus ninja's already mentioned they are in cahoots over this matter), but I dont' really see much winking... so maybe it's the three of you that have the full lbp2 build and this thread is just a smokescreen to distract others away from your evil plot.

Methinks you be rumbled 		2010-12-30 12:27:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Wow...I'll go away now...yes sir...nothing to see here.2010-12-30 12:31:00

Author:
TheCountessZ
Posts: 537

Well, just to let you all know, I have over 9,000 copies of the Collector's Edition! I think this thread can be closed, seeing as I have proved the conspiracy! Poor RTM, even I have the full game already. And, just for good measure 2010-12-30 12:47:00

Author:
Super_Clone
Posts: 849

HI guys,

sorry I just saw this thread. Let me demystify this whole thing as best I can.

MM have asked various people from the community to work on some promotional stuff for LBP.

To achieve this goal these people were given profiles that had more materials, decorations etc unlocked than normal. There are no new create tools or powerups etc, just decorative items, costumes and music. There is no special build of the game. Nobody gets to see the MM levels other than reviewers.

Now where the problem lies is with the fact that people with these profiles have to be very careful that none of this new content gets released publicly. You can imagine if someone publishes a level that contains music that is not actually licenced yet and some knob with the god glitch captures it and publishes it to all, the legal nightmare MM would be in.

All will be revealed in due time about exactly what we are working on and this thread isn't the right venue for it.

It is going to be some extra fun for the game release and thats the important thing.		2010-12-30 13:52:00

Author:
wexfordian
Posts: 1904

Dun dun dun! The plot thickens D:

... I'm assuming you're making levels to be released at the release of LBP2 so the community moon isn't barren... I already know johnee was making Future Warzone 2, so I guess it makes sense that other big creators are making levels to populate the community moon at launch. I'm assuming that's correct, and nothing can change my mind. NOTHING MUHAHAHA		2010-12-30 13:56:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

You're either on the inside or you're not. You're either Denzel or Ethan Hawke!2010-12-30 13:57:00

Author:
BasketSnake
Posts: 2391

Soooo.... Technically I was telling the truth? That stops people from hating me right?


Right?


*runs*


Edit: Full disclosure, I was lying about the crunk juice 		2010-12-30 14:02:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

You're either on the inside or you're not. You're either Denzel or Ethan Hawke!

Can I be Claire Danes?		2010-12-30 14:10:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

I am spartacus! 2010-12-30 14:17:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970

Can I be Claire Danes?

You can be the russian lady who block Denzel's car at the end.		2010-12-30 14:34:00

Author:
BasketSnake
Posts: 2391

I don't know what movie that is. I'm going to be Claire Danes. Or Cyndi Lauper. OH! Can I be Cyndi Lauper!?2010-12-30 14:38:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

Fine but that ends our discussion!2010-12-30 14:39:00

Author:
BasketSnake
Posts: 2391

I know this topic should probably just go to the graveyard, and I hope it does, but there's no better place to say this. I felt like I lost every friend I had on here throughout the course of this beta crap, whether it was he said/she said I heard, or whether it was the same competitive 'where's mine' nonsense that's been around since launch week. I found out about the project through a fluke in the early beta where I could copy anything to my moon (it wasn't god glitch, it was just an oversight before 1.01). I wish I hadn't said anything. It's a new years though, and I hope this ever expanding rift just stops, and I want to get back to the days where I could hop into create mode with one of my OG's and go all out for a weekend on something epic.2011-01-02 04:30:00

Author:
Unknown User

Wait ppl have access to the full game o.o YES i have been living under a rock xD2011-01-02 05:12:00

Author:
The_Lil_JoKeR
Posts: 745

HI guys,

sorry I just saw this thread. Let me demystify this whole thing as best I can.

MM have asked various people from the community to work on some promotional stuff for LBP.

.....

Oh,cool ! Just read that!

Does the mysterious locked levels on Compher's other account have to do with this for example....? ... just wondering... 		2011-01-02 06:13:00

Author:
dajdaj03
Posts: 1486

Does the mysterious locked levels on Compher's other account have to do with this for example....? ... just wondering...

Yes, but I'd appreciate if a huge deal wasn't made out of it. Everything will be made clear in due time.

2011-01-02 06:34:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

Oh no problem, sorry for being so curious...
It's just that it was frustrating to see those levels without being able to play them... 		2011-01-02 06:43:00

Author:
dajdaj03
Posts: 1486

Dun dun dun! The plot thickens D:

... I'm assuming you're making levels to be released at the release of LBP2 so the community moon isn't barren...
Yeah, that's my guess too.
Just something decent already up on the server to stop the reviewers *****ing about the lack of good community levels.
MM will obviously promo that "those levels are made by the community" blah blah blah.. anyone can do this, etc, even though those community levels are built by people already familar with the editor.
It's like those sly LBP1 commercials with the "I am some hans frunkinspiel and I made heavy metal mullet planet..." when in reality it was built by some dude @ MM..

But if it helps the game I guess I can live with it.		2011-01-02 06:51:00

Author:
midnight_heist
Posts: 2513

I know this topic should probably just go to the graveyard, and I hope it does, but there's no better place to say this. I felt like I lost every friend I had on here throughout the course of this beta crap, whether it was he said/she said I heard, or whether it was the same competitive 'where's mine' nonsense that's been around since launch week. I found out about the project through a fluke in the early beta where I could copy anything to my moon (it wasn't god glitch, it was just an oversight before 1.01). I wish I hadn't said anything. It's a new years though, and I hope this ever expanding rift just stops, and I want to get back to the days where I could hop into create mode with one of my OG's and go all out for a weekend on something epic.

You haven't lost me, ninja. I've been incredibly sick for a most of the beta, so believe me, it hasn't been all fun and games for me, either. I've only been in create mode with people like 3 or 4 times.		2011-01-02 14:17:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

That's about as often as I created with people since the release of LBP1. 2011-01-02 14:26:00

Author:
Syroc
Posts: 3193

I really love Wex's honesty, I don't care much about this whole story, but I appreciate sincerity over anything.
You're a cool guy with guts WEX!!! Kudos

But...

I wish I had access to better builds than what the rest of you guys had, I really do (especially when there was so long between 1.01 and 1.02). But I get my beta client updates through PSN like everyone else.

Don't believe everything you hear on the interwebs guys
Sorry to mention this, but...well...after the snow dissolves and you can see what lies inside it...
As I said, I don't mind people having better builds, and I'm thankful that there's people working for our enjoyment.
What I say is that NDA or not, having to lie straight forward is sad.
And if I have to add, shame on MM to have put you guys in this position, that I reckon is not nice.
How many more times do you think people will believe you?
I'm not a MM favourite, so it's pretty easy for me to speak, but I think that instead of lying (and feel bad for it, like I HOPE you guys do) I would prefer to step down.		2011-01-03 06:52:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Soooo.... Technically I was telling the truth? That stops people from hating me right?


Right?


*runs*

I guess not.... Really though, I should have known better I suppose But what's done is done.


I wrote so much more here, but **** it, what's the point? It's not like any of it matters.		2011-01-03 08:30:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

I guess not.... Really though, I should have known better I suppose But what's done is done.

I wrote so much more here, but **** it, what's the point? It's not like any of it matters.

Sorry, I don't mean to pick on you as there were others maybe a bit more involved in all this, but the fact is it does matter.

I think everyone that knew something should have known better and just kept quiet. If you have a secret or under NDA, keep it. The folks in the know, being all giddy and alluding to nothing happening, all while winking and smiling at each other simply makes it look more suspicious. Those that figured something was going due to all the winking and such, simply got made fun of. That is the part that isn't nice at all and in any other situation, the thread would have probably been locked and folks reprimanded. ...but not in this case, which made it even more suspicious.

We are all equals on this site and treating each other with respect is paramount. However most times in these cases, it seems to be ok for an "elite few" to make fun of others if they figure something out. I think had everyone that was on this team or knew something simply said nothing, there wouldn't have been an issue. That would have been the most respectful and adult thing to do. Seems that Wex felt it had gone far enough and decided fess up to the truth. I feel bad for him that he had to do this to make up for so many others.

Whatever is going on, we will find out in due time and be happy for you all. ...but wait your turn. i.e. Earn it, don't flaunt it. 		2011-01-03 13:36:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

We are all equals on this site and treating each other with respect is paramount.

I could not agree more with this statement. Whether or not someone has a secret profile does not make them better than anyone else. I look at everyone on this site as my peer. It's never been any different, it never will be any different. Even if I became president of media molecule, that would never change. I would like to think that other people feel this way as well. ^_^		2011-01-03 13:47:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

I could not agree more with this statement. Whether or not someone has a secret profile does not make them better than anyone else. I look at everyone on this site as my peer. It's never been any different, it never will be any different. Even if I became president of media molecule, that would never change. I would like to think that other people feel this way as well. ^_^
You're such a nice one...but I'm sorry that if you think "that other people feel this way as well" you're going to be disappointed.
Really, good that Wex was wise enough to spill the beans earlier.
Would you imagine this thread going on for other 3 weeks with people denying, and what would have happened when everything would have been made clear?
I tell ya, a big f' boom, people will have been pi**ed, and not because there's an elite (that's not the point) but because they were told lies.
Wex, in my eyes you saved the forum from something that would not have ended well at all.		2011-01-03 14:33:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Hmmz,
Caused quite the discussion here.
This actually just started as a more speculative BHippyGlasses = On "its all a consiracy man" /BhippyGlasses thread.
Just intended to have some fun..

I did not expect this to cause.. well.. this.
I hope nobody got into a verbal fight, or lost friends because of it.
And I hope I did not offend certain ppl by starting this thread.		2011-01-03 15:46:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

In one hand you're commending Wex for saving us from nastiness, then on the other you seem determined to ensure that nothing nice comes from this thread, with your snide remarks and insults.


You're such a nice one...but I'm sorry that if you think "that other people feel this way as well" you're going to be disappointed.
No one wants this "elite" concept to exist, other than those that want to use it as a stick with which to beat others. Certainly noone who is supposedly elite wants it, because the whole concept is pathetic and ridiculous and does nothing but generate bigotry and bias, the likes of which I'm witnessing in this very thread.. I'd rather be completely done with the community than have this label. It's absolute bull****

I'm done with this thread. The whole thing is stupid. Omega, check your facts before coming at me with your accusations. JWW: I have no idea where you dreamed up half that stuff, but it didn't happen. I can only assume you've judged people's comments based upon them being the "arrogant elite" and thus inferred meaning that wasn't there. Petty ironic considering your comments about being "equals" and having "respect". If I have to be judged as someone "special" before being judged as the person that I am then I want nothing to do with this place.		2011-01-03 15:47:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

*looking at rtms post, then mine*



/me hugs rtm till he smiles again.		2011-01-03 15:52:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

I'm wondering maybe if there should be a lock on this thread? Not because you did anything wrong, Luos, because you haven't. You were just having a bit of fun...

But nothing good is going to come of a thread that has ended up pitting member against member, even though that wasn't it's original intention. We're all humans here, it hurts to be called an elitist... it hurts to be told that someone is acting "better than someone else" ... please remember that, guys. No one is out to get anyone. It's a game with cute sackpeople. ^___^ And most importantly, it's a GAME.

LBP is NOT serious business.		2011-01-03 16:06:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

Frankly, I'm done with this witch hunt as well.

Do you guys have any idea how straining it is to be working on something secretly for several months, with instructions to not share what the hell it is you're working on? Do you know how many times friends have tried to join me or ask me what I was working on, and I am not able to tell them? Then this crap comes out, saying that we are dishonest and lairs, people condemning our actions...?

We were not lying. We are using the beta.

I can't believe you are putting Wex on a pedestal for "exposing the truth," when we were never given permission to disclose any information. When I was not given permission to disclose any information. I'm sure this was intended to cut out jealousy and envy, but it didn't matter. You guys all make accusations and assumptions, so there is no winning.

I'm sorry I've been fortunate, but I'm even more sorry that you lot seem to think my fortune is somehow a flaunting or being not nice, despite keeping it to myself, and only responding when I was personally identified in this thread.

You might come on here and recall this post (you were probably referencing it anyways):



If anyone enters into this contract with Sony, I'm betting they'll probably have a very similar experience. Either you're perfect for the job (and it is perfect for you), or it will make you hate the thing you thought you loved. So...tread lightly. Nothing's ever free.
Probably true in many cases, but I can speak from experience that working with Sony NA is an extremely smooth process. I won't go into any more than that, but it's a better gig than is advertised here.



Heh. How many assumptions you have made... Firstly, I made that post to defend the Sony NA team, who have been very good to me. Second, Sony NA had nothing to do with providing me, or anyone else, with extended profiles. Only Media Molecule can do that. So, before you come on here and attack us for being liars and such, understand that you have no idea at all what's going on.

What you're really unhappy about is not being a part of it. Man, I wish this was true:


We are all equals on this site and treating each other with respect is paramount.

Sadly, I can't even keep to myself without being attacked.		2011-01-03 16:11:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

rtm, I didn't accuse anyone, the only point is that someone of the MM favourites (I don't like the elitist word, since you have been picked for your skills and not for massonic reasons) has changed their behaviour from a while.
Is it self patting? Is it only a difficult position due to NDA? Is a self defense stance? I don't know and I don't care.
As Ninja said I'm only sorry that my relation here with some people has changed, but if me being honest and speak clearly is a bad thing, well I don't regret it.
Stop, that's all.

I said that I think it's a difficult you guys are in, so it's better for you to avoid some discussions, and being mods made it harder for you.

But as always, I'm labeled as one of the forum's b@stards so everything I say is a personal attack.
I don't fear to attack directly someone, as I don't fear bans or whatever for my opinion, so if I didn't make any name, is just because I didn't want to attack anyone.
Yeah, the thread would have ended bad, I know and you know rtm, it's not becauase me or you wanted to push it in a bad direction, but because every single post was pushing in that direction, because lies and silences drove this forum in a tense state.		2011-01-03 16:24:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Frankly, I'm done with this witch hunt as well.

Do you guys have any idea how straining it is to be working on something secretly for several months, with instructions to not share what the hell it is you're working on? Do you know how many times friends have tried to join me or ask me what I was working on, and I am not able to tell them? Then this crap comes out, saying that we are dishonest and lairs, people condemning our actions...?

We were not lying. We are using the beta.

I can't believe you are putting Wex on a pedestal for "exposing the truth," when we were never given permission to disclose any information. When I was not given permission to disclose any information. I'm sure this was intended to cut out jealousy and envy, but it didn't matter. You guys all make accusations and assumptions, so there is no winning.

I'm sorry I've been fortunate, but I'm even more sorry that you lot seem to think my fortune is somehow a flaunting or being not nice, despite keeping it to myself, and only responding when I was personally identified in this thread.

You might come on here and recall this post (you were probably referencing it anyways):



Heh. How many assumptions you have made... Firstly, I made that post to defend the Sony NA team, who have been very good to me. Second, Sony NA had nothing to do with providing me, or anyone else, with extended profiles. Only Media Molecule can do that. So, before you come on here and attack us for being liars and such, understand that you have no idea at all what's going on.

What you're really unhappy about is not being a part of it. Man, I wish this was true:



Sadly, I can't even keep to myself without being attacked.

I never attacked you.
I only friend requested you when you infracted me that one time.....Heh, odd, right?		2011-01-03 16:26:00

Author:
The-Questor
Posts: 1328

And yeah, Comph, if someone says "no, we haven't got a better version" while it's not true, that counts as a lie.
It's hard, I reckon it, but maybe it would be better to avoid such threads for you, there are other mods, or you could just say "sorry guys...there's a NDA, I can't speak"...then everyone could have wondered all the s**t they want, but you wouldn't have to lie and everything would have only been speculation, the kind of which the internet is full of.

Even for me this thread is closed, as I never meant to attack anyone, and I'm just trying to make it clear.		2011-01-03 16:36:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

I assure you I spend as much time with the beta as anyone else. No full copy of the game for me either.

This is no lie.

I should be allowed to respond as a human being when personally called out. That was not the post of a moderator, but a man, which is what I'll always be first.		2011-01-03 16:38:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

And yeah, Comph, if someone says "no, we haven't got a better version" while it's not true, that counts as a lie.
It's hard, I reckon it, but maybe it would be better to avoid such threads for you, there are other mods, or you could just say "sorry guys...there's a NDA, I can't speak"...then everyone could have wondered all the s**t they want, but you wouldn't have to lie and everything would have only been speculation, the kind of which the internet is full of.

Even for me this thread is closed, as I never meant to attack anyone, and I'm just trying to make it clear.

But if the only thing those guys had is an expanded beta account, with more materials, how can you say they have a better version?
All they have is more of what the other beta-ers have.

The NDA-ers still have to deal with the same problems as the other beta people have to deal with.

Regardless of whether or not they have better clients... why do YOU need to know?
Apparent, Media Molecule/Sony NA/whoever decided you DIDN'T need to know, hence the NDA. That's reason enough for the people working on the project(s) to "lie" to you, or remain silent, or bend the truth.		2011-01-03 16:43:00

Author:
Melfice
Posts: 269

LOL, everything is completely derailing and if people wants to say his one, then should better read everything.

But I'll sum it out.

I don't mind if people that deserved to be where they are have better build, since they're working for the community enjoyment.
I'm sorry that some friend relations here are getting worse or are ending.
I'm sorry that someone has to feel bad to hide things.
I'm sorry that someone had to break an agreement to make other people feel better and stop to argue.
I think that clearly saying that there was an NDA going on would have make things better.		2011-01-03 16:48:00

Author:
OmegaSlayer
Posts: 5112

Regardless of whether or not they have better clients... why do YOU need to know?
Apparent, Media Molecule/Sony NA/whoever decided you DIDN'T need to know, hence the NDA. That's reason enough for the people working on the project(s) to "lie" to you, or remain silent, or bend the truth.

This, this, this, one thousand times, THIS. NDAs are serious business for the game company. If someone breaks it, mm could get in ALOT of trouble.

And also, the only thing here that is a lie is the cake. Remember that.		2011-01-03 16:49:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

I think that clearly saying that there was an NDA going on would have make things better.

I doubt it.
You'd have the same discussion, except some points are different.		2011-01-03 16:51:00

Author:
Melfice
Posts: 269

The bar may be raised high with these preview levels, but I'm just going to crawl right under the bar.


Let's get ready to limbo, then.

Classic. Thanks for my new sig!		2011-01-03 16:52:00

Author:
julesyjules
Posts: 1156

Yea Rtm, comph..
Lets close this thread.
I am fed up with it as well.

I did not expect this, and I dont want my thread to be a reason you and rtm (and some others) are now being flamed at.
You guys dont deserve this, at all!

*passes around some more hugs*		2011-01-03 16:58:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

For God's sake everyone...the whole point some of us were trying to make was that if you have a secret then keep it a secret. The Nod Nod, Wink Wink, Nod Nod stuff you guys do is very tiring. Reread some of this stuff guys...that's what upsets people. The joking and poking fun at people part is insulting...no matter what you may think.2011-01-03 17:07:00

Author:
TheCountessZ
Posts: 537

Yea Rtm, comph..
Lets close this thread.
I am fed up with it as well.

I did not expect this, and I dont want my thread to be a reason you and rtm (and some others) are now being flamed at.
You guys dont deserve this, at all!

*passes around some more hugs*

I second this. Please? This is doing nothing but hurting relationships between everyone. We're all just normal people, so please, no fighting! No one's better than anyone and all that stuff. I've also got some hugs for people, and some kittens if you want them.		2011-01-03 17:12:00

Author:
xkappax
Posts: 2569

With pleasure.2011-01-03 17:13:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338


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