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H4H: An Essay.
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| Hello. My name is Dracca LeVad, and I'm here to disprove an assumption about an important part of the LittleBigPlanet game: Heart For Heart. Now, the heart for heart trend has many incorrect assumptions based around it, some of these being, "It kills kittens!" or "It discourages creativity!" or even, "It's a scheme to spread wealth invented by the wealthy proletariat!". Well, I am here to disprove all of the claims about how H4H is bad, and you will see why. Now, H4H isn't as bad as those ridiculously unskilled and untalented anti-H4H super-fascists say it is. H4H is another option for achieving the most coveted of all LBP trophies, the CREATE trophy. You may be wondering, "Well, if they purchased this game, they should have to get good at it in order to achieve Create!" However, you are wrong. The trophy collectors only bought the ****ed game to get the trophies in the quickest time possible. They shouldn't have to get good at a game they have no interest in to get all of the trophies! That, my friends, would take months. And, there are better games to play instead of LBP anyways. Final point; H4H is WAY better than begging. I mean, really, which one would you rather have, a whiny little kid who pollutes the game with rubbish levels (rendering the new lucky dip feature absolutely useless), or a coolfaced dude wearing reflector shades who is all like, "Hey broski. Heart for Heart my one level and profile." You would want the latter, obviously. If there are a bunch of horrible levels introduced to get hearts, the lucky dip feature would be way useless (actually, it already is due to this)! tl;dr H4H is good, H4H is better than begging. tl;dr tl;dr H4H more. | 2010-12-21 04:55:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| um h4h is begging because you go around peoples levels and bug them and also people that h4h cant create anything good and you just want the throphies. sorry to burst ur bubble but h4h is bad. | 2010-12-21 05:02:00 Author: WESFUN  Posts: 1336 |
| H4H = Begging. H4H os not allowed in this site either m8. H4h = something that you do if you wanna, don't go hoving into other people if they don't want to or isaprove, so do it, w/e, just don't go around telling others its good and threy MUST do it. | 2010-12-21 05:04:00 Author: Silverleon  Posts: 6707 |
| um h4h is begging because you go around peoples levels and bug them and also people that h4h cant create anything good and you just want the throphies. sorry to burst ur bubble but h4h is bad. Saying people who H4H can't create isn't true in all circumstances, and when it is, it's a trophy grinder, so it doesn't matter. Way to not read the essay. The only thing you proved with that post is your lack of intelligence. Also, H4H is not begging per se. H4H is a proposal of exchange benefiting both sides. | 2010-12-21 05:05:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Gahaha, its like saying that trading stolen items is ok because both thieves get something. | 2010-12-21 05:20:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| Gahaha, its like saying that trading stolen items is ok because both thieves get something. Again, that is incorrect. H4H is okay morally because it does not hurt anyone in the process. If you trade stolen items, people lose the exclusivity of things they made. There are infinite hearts in LBP, you don't have one to give up the other. Please think before you post. | 2010-12-21 05:22:00 Author: Unknown User |
Wow, talk about not knowing what a metaphor is...  | 2010-12-21 05:25:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| I didn't imply that you were taking it literally like that. Read my messages like a human who passed elementary school, please. Also, stop trolling my topic, I wouldn't fancy it getting locked. I will no longer reply to you. | 2010-12-21 05:28:00 Author: Unknown User |
| sorry kid but h4hs is bad it ruins lbp and most of h4h levels are bad I know i just played a couple to prove my point. also as silver said h4hs are not allowed on this site. so I think its a good idea to have this locked before this gets out of hand. P.S. you dont have to be rude towords me im just saying my opnion. | 2010-12-21 05:52:00 Author: WESFUN Posts: 1336 |
| The only reason this would get out of hand is if Silverleon continues to troll this topic. H4H hurts less than begging aswell, but that's allowed everywhere for some odd reason. | 2010-12-21 05:55:00 Author: Unknown User |
Most games take months to get a platinum by the way  | 2010-12-21 05:57:00 Author: AA_BATTERY  Posts: 1117 |
| Most games take months to get a platinum by the way killerxx has 7181 trophies and platinumed LBP in a week. | 2010-12-21 05:58:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Okay, let's keep a lid on it, folks. First of all, people are indeed entitled to H4H if they want to. True, we certainly do not encourage it here at LBPC as we prefer to support the creative process rather than reward the grinders who care little for the game (that we love) and more for the glory of trophies. True, H4H does not "hurt" anyone, although it renders useless, to some degree, the heart system as an indication of a quality level. As a rule, H4H creators don't seem to care about the integrity of their own reputation, nor of their levels, therefore they cannot truly have respect for others' creations and it is partly this reason (and the fact that they bug the heck out of you with pointless H4H requests) that they are - as a general rule - looked down on by the rest of the LBP community. If there could be a completely separate system for the H4Hers, that would be awesome as then they could go at it to their "hearts'" content rather than invading and messing with the system that Mm intended to be indicative of quality. Although they did make it pretty hard in that case to get that particular trophy, I do admit. But why does a game have to have trophies that everyone can achieve? If trophy hunters are driven by the quest for that particular glory, surely the Create trophy and whatever else would be even more coveted and impressive for the fact it's difficult to win. If you don't put in the effort to create, you shouldn't get the trophy in my opinion. You are welcome to your opinion, Dracca LeVad, as are the anti-H4Hers (who are not all super-fascists... that's a rash generalisation if I ever heard one  ) but I fear you will get little support for your cause here. Just sayin'... I'm also sayin' to everyone that the name calling and slagging had better stop immediately or this thread will be locked, okay? Ok. | 2010-12-21 07:27:00 Author: BabyDoll1970  Posts: 1567 |
| While we don't generally support people asking for h4h here, Dracca is voicing an opinion and offering justifications for his opinion and that is completely fine. If any of you have contrary opinions and you feel the need to express them, please do so politely and civilly: just because somebody posts an unpopular opinion is not an excuse to troll his thread. Sniped by BD! For my part, I disagree with the op. Imho, it seems that the create trophy was intended to reward people who created things that were well received and got a lot of attention. While, this trophy was ill conceived in my opinion, that is what it was meant for and any other method of obtaining it is akin to cheating. Now I personally have no problem with cheating on a video game if it helps a player get more enjoyment out of their game, but I would think that a trophy that you cheated to get would be meaningless. Of course, it's easy for me to say: I got the create trophy without even trying, so I have no idea how frustrating it might be for others, but that brings me to my next point: Why are trophies important at all? Are there really people who would spend $60 on a game about creating only to get the trophies? Is it strictly to show off to other players? Is there anybody who's actually impressed by another player's trophies? | 2010-12-21 07:30:00 Author: Sehven  Posts: 2188 |
| Next the suggestion will be that the fake DLC content levels that ask for hearts to open boxes are harmless and not an abuse of the hearts system. A game should not be bought with the sole intention of grabbing every trophy. The reason for trophies in games is to prove that you have certain skills within a game, if you cant earn the trophy then you don't have the skills (no biggie) some things are supposed to be hard/time consuming. Getting trophies by cheating a game shows a lack of integrity. If you really want to have the trophies without earning them as the game designers intended, why not just DL someone else's savegame off the internet? It amounts to the same thing. Don't get me wrong, trophy hunting is fine. Just not when it is done by getting them without earning them as intended. | 2010-12-21 10:12:00 Author: Strangepom  Posts: 445 |
| Hello. My name is Dracca LeVad Hello! Nice to meet you. Now, the heart for heart trend has many incorrect assumptions based around it, some of these being, "It kills kittens!" or "It discourages creativity!" or even, "It's a scheme to spread wealth invented by the wealthy proletariat!". I think you'll find those assumptions are in fact correct. Many kittens have been killed. Now, H4H isn't as bad as those ridiculously unskilled and untalented anti-H4H super-fascists say it is. Um, what? I think you'll also find that almost all anti-H4Hers are the skilled ones. I dispise H4H, does that mean I'm "ridiculously unskilled and untalented"? You may be wondering, "Well, if they purchased this game, they should have to get good at it in order to achieve Create!" Yep, that's exactly what I was about to say.  However, you are wrong. The trophy collectors only bought the ****ed game to get the trophies in the quickest time possible. They shouldn't have to get good at a game they have no interest in to get all of the trophies! Well, sorry, but I have no respect for anybody who thinks like that. I understand this is (somehow) what you enjoy, buying games you have no interest in just to collect trophies that have no meaning if you don't earn them properly, and I'm fine if you want to go ahead and do that. But don't do it in a way that affects the rest of us. H4H ruins the entire heart system, the cool pages, and pretty much the whole community. That, my friends, would take months. Yes. There's nothing quite like that trophy popping up after months of hard work, knowing full well that you earned it properly. And, there are better games to play instead of LBP anyways. In your opinion, maybe. Coming here and saying that to people who play this game 25 hours a day isn't going to make you many friends. Final point; H4H is WAY better than begging. I mean, really, which one would you rather have, a whiny little kid who pollutes the game with rubbish levels (rendering the new lucky dip feature absolutely useless), or a coolfaced dude wearing reflector shades who is all like, "Hey broski. Heart for Heart my one level and profile." Erm.. isn't that what H4H is? Begging? If there are a bunch of horrible levels introduced to get hearts, the lucky dip feature would be way useless (actually, it already is due to this)! Right, I'm confused. I thought you were here defending H4H, yet now you seem to be against exactly what you are defending. The quality of a level makes no difference when it comes to H4H, because at the end of the day nobody even needs to play the level. Maybe you put in a little effort to make something fairly decent, yet even if somebody like gevurah22 or GruntosUK started asking people to H4H for one of their awesome levels, they are no better than those who make a checkpoint over a scoreboard to do exactly the same thing. It's the act of saying "Heart me regardless of how good my level is" that is the problem. Now, I probably care more about trophies than most other people here. I'm determined to get 100% in every game I buy. Yet the only reason I care about them is because they are a personal achievement. Why would I want to get a trophy for something I didn't do? Some trophies I have accepted I could never get. Instead of looking for an easy way to boost for it, I either give up or continue to try to earn it properly. I woul;d like to get 100% in every game, but I know that I can't, so I'm satisfied with doing the best that I can do. | 2010-12-21 12:43:00 Author: Nuclearfish  Posts: 927 |
| If you really want to have the trophies without earning them as the game designers intended, why not just DL someone else's savegame off the internet? It amounts to the same thing.Don't get me wrong, trophy hunting is fine. Just not when it is done by getting them without earning them as intended. Using a savefile from another console usually locks Trophies. I think It may benefit the community if tehy didn't fo that with LBP at least, we wouldn't have any H4Hers trying to push H4Hing to others, and they could waste away their money without bothering or runing the game for the rest, win/ win. | 2010-12-21 12:58:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| No, H4H is bad. It'd be fine if effort was put in the level. If someone made an amazing level, and said H4H at the end, I would do it. But they don't. They make a opening gate on a scoreboard, because they think "I don't need to bother, I'll get my hearts through H4H". It's lazy and not how the heart system was ment to be used. | 2010-12-21 13:54:00 Author: kirbyman62  Posts: 1893 |
| While i don't do it, i've got nothing against h4h itself (because h4h involves giving someone else a heart back so it's not 100% selfish like competitive republishing) but h4h levels are a problem as they're mostly just empty levels that clog up the servers & make the Lucky Dip option useless. It doesn't help that most trophy seeking h4hers don't bother deleting their blank h4h levels after they've got their trophies so there's a lot of redundant h4h levels wasting cyberspace. If you're going to make an essay sticking up for h4h, you should be honest & accept the fact that h4h has it's bad points too. Since h4hers have LBP & have access to a wide array of levels (story mode & community) to play, that alone is an chance to learn & improve their skills & earn their hearts & trophies. Earning a heart from someone who has played your level & liked it is more satisfying than getting hearts & trophies from people who don't care enough to even play your level. (PS3 browser won't allow any more space)..... | 2010-12-21 16:53:00 Author: D-E-S_87  Posts: 148 |
| (Sorry, have removed non-family friendly examples Got kiddies here) Besides, buying a game just for trophies is a very dumb reason to buy a game in the first place. I don't know why people care about trophies that much. Sorry for double posting. My PS3 browser doesn't allow alot of posting space.:blush: | 2010-12-21 17:14:00 Author: D-E-S_87 Posts: 148 |
| Anyone who buys a game just for trophies is wasting their money. You're just paying about ?20-?40 for a bunch of trophies, which if you're going to cheat for them, are useless. Now please don't tell me you bought a PS3 just for trophies too? | 2010-12-21 18:13:00 Author: Doopz  Posts: 5592 |
| to be honest, I don't want a 'create' trophy. I'm not one of those gamers, who bases their fun purely on the automated rewards from the game designers. I like to play games to get enjoyment out of them; not try to facilitate my constant need for rewarding by abusing the system of a game and ruining it for all. also, the time to write an essay on the joys of H4Hing, could be spent making a decent level | 2010-12-21 18:50:00 Author: flamingemu  Posts: 1872 |
| If you really want to have the trophies without earning them as the game designers intended, why not just DL someone else's savegame off the internet? It amounts to the same thing. No, you can't get trophies when you import saves. If you ever bothered to research what you were saying, you would know such a thing. Please think before you post. Don't get me wrong, trophy hunting is fine. Just not when it is done by getting them without earning them as intended. Oh, I'm terribly sorry. Apparently I didn't read the text on the Create trophy that says, "You MUST make good levels, and you must NOT H4H." Oh, wait, it's because that clause never existed. Your sentence is null and void. Erm.. isn't that what H4H is? Begging? You're quite off. Begging is saying at the end of your level that they should "plz hart you". H4Hing, as I have said, is an offer of service between the two sides in which both profit. If the other side won't do it, sucks to be them. Right, I'm confused. I thought you were here defending H4H, yet now you seem to be against exactly what you are defending. The quality of a level makes no difference when it comes to H4H, because at the end of the day nobody even needs to play the level. Maybe you put in a little effort to make something fairly decent, yet even if somebody like gevurah22 or GruntosUK started asking people to H4H for one of their awesome levels, they are no better than those who make a checkpoint over a scoreboard to do exactly the same thing. It's the act of saying "Heart me regardless of how good my level is" that is the problem. I was referring to people who make twenty garbage levels to achieve the create trophy, rather than someone just publishing one blank H4H level. Which one clogs up the Lucky Dip faster, huh? Yeah, exactly. Anyone who buys a game just for trophies is wasting their money. You're just paying about ?20-?40 for a bunch of trophies, which if you're going to cheat for them, are useless. Now please don't tell me you bought a PS3 just for trophies too? You didn't? Dude, you're weird! Nah, I'm only joking. Of course I didn't, just looking out from a different perspective. And if this seems so shocking to you... http://www.ps3trophies.co.uk/leaderboard.php | 2010-12-21 18:51:00 Author: Unknown User |
| also, the time to write an essay on the joys of H4Hing, could be spent making a decent level VERY sorry for two consecutive posts, this came up just as I was posting. The essay took about 10 minutes to write. If I could take 10 minutes and make a decent LBP level, I'd be a demigod. | 2010-12-21 18:53:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I said 'making'. Before trying to cynically reply to peoples posts to make yourself feel big and clever, at least read them properly. | 2010-12-21 18:54:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| VERY sorry for two consecutive posts, this came up just as I was posting. The essay took about 10 minutes to write. If I could take 10 minutes and make a decent LBP level, I'd be a demigod. What he meant was work on a decent level, not complete it in that given time /sniped | 2010-12-21 18:55:00 Author: AA_BATTERY Posts: 1117 |
| I said 'making'. Before trying to cynically reply to peoples posts to make yourself feel big and clever, at least read them properly. I didn't read it wrong at all. I understood where you came from and refuted your belief. Just because you've been outwitted doesn't mean you should make up stuff to make yourself seem clever. | 2010-12-21 18:59:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I didn't read it wrong at all. I understood where you came from and refuted your belief. Just because you've been outwitted doesn't mean you should make up stuff to make yourself seem clever. Are you a troll? I can't tell. And you didn't outwit me at all. Start listening to people because i think that you are fighting a losing battle. | 2010-12-21 19:00:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| Are you a troll? I can't tell. And you didn't outwit me at all. Start listening to people because i think that you are fighting a losing battle. That is impossible. I can never lose. The world revolves around me. The earth abides to my gravitational pull. I am never wrong. | 2010-12-21 19:03:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Well i can show you a trophy that (at this rate) you might not get: http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/xperience/icons/people_dude4_32.png oh yeah, i went there /runs to play viva-pinata and to try my hardest to get all the achievements through effort | 2010-12-21 19:12:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| Well i can show you a trophy that (at this rate) you might not get: http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/xperience/icons/people_dude4_32.png oh yeah, i went there /runs to play viva-pinata and to try my hardest to get all the achievements through effort Pfft. Well, I'm not going to reply to people like you who just want to troll opinion topics. You make me sick. | 2010-12-21 19:22:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I was referring to people who make twenty garbage levels to achieve the create trophy, rather than someone just publishing one blank H4H level. Which one clogs up the Lucky Dip faster, huh? Yeah, exactly. Wait, let me get this straight: so you are against rendering useless the lucky dip feature but you don't think that H4H is harmful/bad, even if it breaks the LBP rating system, which is a much more important feature of the game? No offense intended or anything, I'd like this thread to be as insultless and educated as possible. | 2010-12-21 20:03:00 Author: Keldur  Posts: 628 |
| I still, after 20 months, see absolutely no problem with people exchanging hearts with each other. Really. Now the H4H spam... That's another thing altogether | 2010-12-21 20:06:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| No, you can't get trophies when you import saves. If you ever bothered to research what you were saying, you would know such a thing. Please think before you post. Oh, I'm terribly sorry. Apparently I didn't read the text on the Create trophy that says, "You MUST make good levels, and you must NOT H4H." Oh, wait, it's because that clause never existed. Your sentence is null and void. You're quite off. Begging is saying at the end of your level that they should "plz hart you". H4Hing, as I have said, is an offer of service between the two sides in which both profit. If the other side won't do it, sucks to be them. I was referring to people who make twenty garbage levels to achieve the create trophy, rather than someone just publishing one blank H4H level. Which one clogs up the Lucky Dip faster, huh? Yeah, exactly. You didn't? Dude, you're weird! Nah, I'm only joking. Of course I didn't, just looking out from a different perspective. And if this seems so shocking to you... http://www.ps3trophies.co.uk/leaderboard.php Can we close this thread now? The guy clearly has not intention of discussing it, its either his way or you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about, according to him, so I don't aee the point of a thered where no discussion is made, more like a "I AM right, you're all wrong" kinda deal right now. I didn't read it wrong at all. I understood where you came from and refuted your belief. Just because you've been outwitted doesn't mean you should make up stuff to make yourself seem clever. That is impossible. I can never lose. The world revolves around me. The earth abides to my gravitational pull. I am never wrong. Point and case, he's not here to discuss the validity of his point, he's here to demand others believe what he believes, and to troll, and will discard any comments that don't agree with him as either "trollish" or "uneducated." | 2010-12-21 20:23:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| Wait, let me get this straight: so you are against rendering useless the lucky dip feature but you don't think that H4H is harmful/bad, even if it breaks the LBP rating system, which is a much more important feature of the game? No offense intended or anything, I'd like this thread to be as insultless and educated as possible. Well, ratings really aren't everything, you see. If you're level is tagged with two stars, it can still be an amazing work. H4H Levels don't really seem to be played, let alone rated, do they? So, I don't think it is such a big deal as damage towards X. By the way, thanks for trying to keep the topic on track. I'm trying my hardest to not get it derailed. This shouldn't be an insult fest! Can we close this thread now? The guy clearly has not intention of discussing it, its either his way or you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about, according to him, so I don't aee the point of a thered where no discussion is made, more like a "I AM right, you're all wrong" kinda deal right now. Point and case, he's not here to discuss the validity of his point, he's here to demand others believe what he believes, and to troll, and will discard any comments that don't agree with him as either "trollish" or "uneducated." So, you're slandering me AFTER you trolled my thread by posting sarcastic messages just to prove that your side is right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Ad_hominem_abuse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Ad_hominem_abuse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Ad_hominem_abuse http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem#Ad_hominem_abuse Gee, I wonder who the real disruptive poster is. Not me, dude, not me. | 2010-12-21 20:40:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Yes, ratings are everything. How else are you supposed to tell a levels quality? However, your H4H has messed it up. But it seems this argument is a lost cause, but I don't understand why you brought this up in the first place, people should know the answer by now.... | 2010-12-21 21:18:00 Author: Super_Clone  Posts: 849 |
| Are you a troll? I can't tell. I think that's fairly obvious :/ Yeah... Uh... Well, I guess I can't really say anything >_> But seriously... you're just making making yourself look like a **** :/ Sorry, but yeah. And Silverleon wasn't trolling Ah well. This thread's going to be interesting until it is inevitably locked. But still, I have to say... that may be the worst written essay I've ever seen :/ | 2010-12-21 21:22:00 Author: RockSauron  Posts: 10882 |
| Yes, ratings are everything. How else are you supposed to tell a levels quality? However, your H4H has messed it up. But it seems this argument is a lost cause, but I don't understand why you brought this up in the first place, people should know the answer by now.... "How else are you supposed to tell a levels quality? " Play the level. You don't need to know the quality before playing it. Otherwise you can usually tell by the publisher, description, icon, and uploaded pictures. Ratings and hearts will ALWAYS be biased. H4H didn't cause it. But seriously... you're just making making yourself look like a **** :/ Sorry, but yeah. And Silverleon wasn't trolling I have to say... that may be the worst written essay I've ever seen :/ Nice ad hominem you have, there. I can tell your opinion about who is trolling is completely biased based on who you know more. | 2010-12-21 21:28:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Nice ad hominem you have, there. I can tell your opinion about who is trolling is completely biased based on who you know more. Impeccable logic. Honestly, I cannot begin to grasp how logical that assertion is. You have defeated me. I yield to your superior logic. | 2010-12-21 21:29:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882 |
| Well, ratings really aren't everything, you see. If you're level is tagged with two stars, it can still be an amazing work. H4H Levels don't really seem to be played, let alone rated, do they? So, I don't think it is such a big deal as damage towards X. Aww, I'm afraid I have to disagree here :/ See, for me, ratings are incredibly important. And I'd dare to say that for many people too. Yes, many people has also learnt to get over them, but if they had to make that effort in first place, it's because they are important. See, I'm a spotlighter. I pick lvls from the lvl showcase of LBPC and kind of make an official list of "good" levels, along with other awesomesauce spotlighters. That "job" would be unexistant if lvls were correctly rated. And I'd love it for it not to exist, it'd mean things would work properly. But, you see, they don't. And honestly, I can't help it -and I've really tried to help it!- but to hate it whenever I browse LBP and see downright terrible/empty levels with amazing ratings, compared to a spotlighted 3 stared level with few hearts, plays and attention. It's like the official rating system telling me on my face "No, you're wrong. Quality is here and I'm directing players to this level. Your spotlighted levels will get no help from me, no plays from me" What I'm trying to higlight is, ratings are very important, and sadly, H4H has an enormous terrible secondary effect on them, which is as devastating as innocent. I'm not against people trading hearts, but I can't support something that derivates on breaking the ratings system, even if not on purpose. Peace! | 2010-12-21 21:33:00 Author: Keldur Posts: 628 |
| See, the thing about a discussion, is that you read what people post, and then adjust your previous view based upon said post. It is not, about backing into a corner and biting anyone who disagrees' head off before they get a chance to speak. You have annoyed me, and i don't even mind H4H in moderation; think about how much you are annoying those who are actually against H4H. | 2010-12-21 21:38:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| Aww, I'm afraid I have to disagree here :/ See, for me, ratings are incredibly important. And I'd dare to say that for many people too. Yes, many people has also learnt to get over them, but if they had to make that effort in first place, it's because they are important. See, I'm a spotlighter. I pick lvls from the lvl showcase of LBPC and kind of make an official list of "good" levels, along with other awesomesauce spotlighters. That "job" would be unexistant if lvls were correctly rated. And I'd love it for it not to exist, it'd mean things would work properly. But, you see, they don't. And honestly, I can't help it -and I've really tried to help it!- but to hate it whenever I browse LBP and see downright terrible/empty levels with amazing ratings, compared to a spotlighted 3 stared level with few hearts, plays and attention. It's like the official rating system telling me on my face "No, you're wrong. Quality is here and I'm directing players to this level. Your spotlighted levels will get no help from me, no plays from me" What I'm trying to higlight is, ratings are very important, and sadly, H4H has an enormous terrible secondary effect on them, which is as devastating as innocent. I'm not against people trading hearts, but I can't support something that derivates on breaking the ratings system, even if not on purpose. Peace! Hello; Yes, I indeed see where you are coming from. If the ratings system was spot-on, there wouldn't need to be a spotlight, and that would save people some time. But isn't your spotlight helpful towards the community anyways? Well, let's think about it. If the level is denoted as five stars, but the crreator never gets much traffic, and you spotlight his level, it would still help him get plays. The reason for the spotlight existing, I think, is to bring attention to diamonds in the rough, regardless of rating, plays, hearts, statistics. The only thing that truly matters is the level content. Why should we judge the creator's effort based on a star rating that's mostly given by this game's targeted age group, around 8-12 specifically? The rating are never perpendicual to the level content, you can only judge through the level's merits. The ratings system is going away in LBP2 anyways, and you don't have to give a rating when you exit a level in the sequel. This means that many of those irresponsible raters will overlook it. I'm going to stop being deceitful and saying that, yes, H4H does cause problems, however minor or major they are, into the rating system. However, a lot of H4H levels go unplayed and only hearted, creating some insane ratio that makes it clearly obvious it is an H4H level. When this is shown to you, you can safely skip over that level, knowing it's just some H4H gag. Also, to set things straight - I am not a trophy collector or an H4Her. I'm simply here to spread an opinion, what the internet was made for! end | 2010-12-21 21:50:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Impeccable logic. Honestly, I cannot begin to grasp how logical that assertion is. You have defeated me. I yield to your superior logic. On another note, please take this topic seriously. I'd hate for all of your sarcasm to derail it, folks! This can stay a friendly discussion based on how you will reply. | 2010-12-21 21:51:00 Author: Unknown User |
| ... Eh, might as well give an actual response. Personally, I love trophies. I just like collecting useless thingamajiggies. I love finding them, i love collecting them in a game I love. Or at least enjoy. However, many people don't like trophies. However, I really haven't seen anyone here, outside of a kid every so often, who actually hates on H4Hing. H4Hing has existed in many forms, and it's not going away. Pretty much everyone here accepts that. What's more, no one really minds it too much. Sure, it's annoying to have your comments spammed, but it's not like we worry too much about people who feel they "earn" trophies just by buying the game. Now, that brings up a very important point- you're really ranting to no one. I really don't think your intended audience of people who despise H4H really exist here. We don't partake in it, sure, but pretty much everyone knows why it exists and merely wish for a way to make it so that it doesn't impact their game as much. When I first saw this topic, at first I thought it was going to explain about kids being kids and how H4H cannot be eradicated- which we all know, but it wouldn't have given you anywhere near the response you got. However, when I opened it up, I saw not just a defense of H4Hing, but you just plain being a jerk. Honestly, that's why everyone is upset at you- it's not your arguments, it's really just your manner :/ I feel like I can give one of those sappy inspirational quotes, but I've been intellectual far too long >_> Back to my evil peanuts ;-; | 2010-12-21 21:53:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882 |
| ... Eh, might as well give an actual response. Personally, I love trophies. I just like collecting useless thingamajiggies. I love finding them, i love collecting them in a game I love. Or at least enjoy. However, many people don't like trophies. However, I really haven't seen anyone here, outside of a kid every so often, who actually hates on H4Hing. H4Hing has existed in many forms, and it's not going away. Pretty much everyone here accepts that. What's more, no one really minds it too much. Sure, it's annoying to have your comments spammed, but it's not like we worry too much about people who feel they "earn" trophies just by buying the game. Now, that brings up a very important point- you're really ranting to no one. I really don't think your intended audience of people who despise H4H really exist here. We don't partake in it, sure, but pretty much everyone knows why it exists and merely wish for a way to make it so that it doesn't impact their game as much. When I first saw this topic, at first I thought it was going to explain about kids being kids and how H4H cannot be eradicated- which we all know, but it wouldn't have given you anywhere near the response you got. However, when I opened it up, I saw not just a defense of H4Hing, but you just plain being a jerk. Honestly, that's why everyone is upset at you- it's not your arguments, it's really just your manner :/ I feel like I can give one of those sappy inspirational quotes, but I've been intellectual far too long >_> Back to my evil peanuts ;-; Thank you for offering the response. I do guess I act extreme at times when I'm debating or discussing, but I think it's one of the finer qualities I have. Makes the opposition think on their toes, you know? For the "ranting to no one" point, this may be true for most of this forum, but many posts in this thread were from people against H4H, giving clear reasons as to why. My guess is that the people who don't care really just didn't even need to reply. Yet there is the small percentage who do care, and they are who the message falls upon. | 2010-12-21 22:02:00 Author: Unknown User |
| If the level is denoted as five stars, but the crreator never gets much traffic, and you spotlight his level, it would still help him get plays. The reason for the spotlight existing, I think, is to bring attention to diamonds in the rough, regardless of rating, plays, hearts, statistics. The only thing that truly matters is the level content. Well, because in a perfect system, all 5 star levels would get the same amount of recognition. Think about it, if the rating system worked and you were looking for some great levels, you could just go and play every 5 star rated level, and everyone would do so as well. Sadly this is not the case and H4H just makes it worse. | 2010-12-21 22:02:00 Author: javi haguse  Posts: 744 |
| Well, because in a perfect system, all 5 star levels would get the same amount of recognition. Think about it, if the rating system worked and you we looking for some great levels, you could just go and play every 5 star rated level, and everyone would do so as well. Sadly this is not the case and H4H just makes it worse. Surely you can't blame the H4H system on all of the rating mishaps, can you? I'll admit it does effect it to some point, but many other factors are also tied in to the problem of why the ratings system has fell down since release, one of these being the majority age group's not caring how they rate, correct? Thus they'll just select the first option available, meaning the rating on level X won't change. If one person rates a level one star and these kids follow, the level will have many one star ratings. | 2010-12-21 22:05:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Oh no, I don't blame it completely on H4H, but its definitely not helping. It would be better to take a step forward into fixing the system by creating a decent level, don't you think? | 2010-12-21 22:11:00 Author: javi haguse Posts: 744 |
| That seems to be correct, but you can't hate on the dudes for trying to get hearts if they aren't very good, can you? Not everyone has the skill and willpower to plow through the exhausting, grueling process that is level creation. A few times while creating I have gone mad, and it surely sucked time out of my life to the point where I was missing important events. | 2010-12-21 22:14:00 Author: Unknown User |
| You know what? Enough has been said about how wrong the OP is, I don't need to say more. Theoretically, I would LOVE to get the create trophy. Judging by the things my levels have gotten already, I never will, however. Sure, I'm dissapointed. But so what. No biggie. There are much more important parts of the game. Such as game playing ability. I've had many chances to play levels with H4Hers and I have to say something right now. In general, they are all uber n00bs. Seriously, they skip the speech bubbles and don't know how the basic game mechanics work. I once saw one try twelve times to make a jump and grab onto a piece of sponge. They ended up saying "go on without me" and popping. This happened again and again through the level. I counted twenty three times. That one wasn't even the outstanding example. That guy was average. They don't even try to learn how to play. That is why I hate when i see H4H in a description. I refuse to heart any of them. I have said my peace. I'm out. | 2010-12-21 22:18:00 Author: Super_Dork_42  Posts: 1874 |
| Taking in account that: +H4H lets people easily earn an arguably meaningless PSN trophy -H4H is harmful for the rating system -no doubt about this one- -H4H may prevent certain creators from earning the hearts the "hard" way, thus destroying potentially good levels and potentially good creators. -H4H created enormous, and it still does create amounts of undesired amounts of spam I'd feel safe to say that H4H as a whole, harms more the community than beneciate it. I'm not really that much against H4H, hardly do I think that it's LBP's biggest problem, but I certainly believe that as a tool creates more problems than it solves. Ok, I'm out of this thread now; I feel that you and I just won't manage to understand each other. But, hey, it's ok! Peace! | 2010-12-21 22:20:00 Author: Keldur Posts: 628 |
| I am wondering the same thing... if anyone has any reason why this discussion needs to continue, please speak now. (And my comments are not based on the topic of discussion, bur rather the manner. Belittling others' perspectives is not impressive in my book) | 2010-12-21 22:21:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| caught me read my name backwards | 2010-12-21 22:22:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Well I'm in the middle here. Call me a cheater, ruiner of lbp, whatever. But I did the H4H thing way back whenever it came out. Lbp is really the only game i play, I suck at making cool levels, and it was the only trophy I didn't have. So I said "wow, good idea." Looking back now it is kind of annoying. Whenever I go to look at someone's level comments H4H is all I see. I never did that. And I took my level down when I was done. So yea i think it's kind of OK, But most people take it to extreme commenting and never take their levels down. That is what makes H4H so annoying. Also, to buy a game simply to get trophies isn't fun is it? What do you do with 7181 (or however many) trophies? I hardly ever look at my friend's trophies. | 2010-12-21 22:23:00 Author: Kitkasumass  Posts: 494 |
| Ah, frak, dave allucard. aka Make My Dinner, who was banned from this site before. Yeah. ah well. I thought he might have been ok, but meh, guess he is a troll <_< >_> >_> <_< /runs | 2010-12-21 22:23:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882 |
| See, if all you're looking for is the trophy, I don't think you have to be an amazing creator to achieve that. Let's say for the sake of argument that in the perfect system, your levels were rated at 2 stars. You wont obviously get as many plays as a 3 star level, but you'll get some. Now remember, you have 20 slots open to create more levels. Also, you could play some 3 star rated levels to see what made them better than yours. Who knows, maybe after a couple you'll get a 3 star level! and while you do all this, you probably get your trophy in no time! One can only wish... | 2010-12-21 22:24:00 Author: javi haguse Posts: 744 |
| who is this 'make my dinner' guy, and why is everyone always talking about him? someone, tell me what he did to get banned? | 2010-12-21 22:33:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| who is this 'make my dinner' guy, and why is everyone always talking about him? someone, tell me what he did to get banned? Basically all you have to know is that he is trolling... or trying to. It's a pretty sad attempt. check his vms with me if you need reassurance >_> And he was banned for, uh, being a troll I guess. I unno. lol. but yeah, this isn't real. Everyone can go back to doing other things. Like worshiping me. But I'd assume the mods shall soon clamp the ban hammah upon us. ... wait, I mean lock the thread, not ban us lol | 2010-12-21 22:36:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882 |
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