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Note from rtm223:
Seeing as the AC:B thread has turned into a series of spoiler tags and with it being such a plot-driven game, I've split out this conversation into a spoilers thread. Feel free to post spoilers here without the tags now, as non-spoiler discussion can occur in the original thread. It just makes life easier for everyone


I still can't believe he did that at the end...*sob*		2010-11-23 04:20:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

I know right... *double sob*
and-
was that the doc guy, Vidic I think, in the credits saying to put him back in the animus? how did he get there?		2010-11-23 04:42:00

Author:
Merc
Posts: 2135

I don't know at all! Was that even Desmond speaking? It sounded a lot more like Subject 16. But GOD that is the biggest cliffhanger ending to a game EVER.2010-11-23 04:47:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
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I'm kinda wondering if one of the modern day characters is actually being viewed through the animus at some later time. Although, now I realise it is Vidic (or is it? IDK.) then the timescales seem a little off (how old would Vidic have to be to be putting one of their descendents into the Animus?

On a related topic... Cesare Borgia. I'm gonna guess he's not dead. They made too much of a big deal about him not being able to die for it to just be irrelevant. Part of me was expecting to see him alive in the modern day section as part of the inevitable twist in the ending, though that was a hunch that based on basically nothing 		2010-11-23 09:43:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

I didn't believe Cesare was dead for a second, it was just too easy. I actually was really surprised when Rodrigo Borgia was killed by Cesare, I thought he had turned over a new leaf since he realized his son was going mad and tried to kill him before he ruined Rome, so I was beginning to think he was a good guy.
But yeah, I have a feeling Cesare could be Vidic's descendant or something.

Oh, and also, what was with those emails from a guy named 'William M.'? There were suspicious-looking emails from him that were being sent to Shaun and Lucy. Who is he?		2010-11-23 16:01:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

So we can post without spoiler tags here?

Cool, well I literally just completed this, waiting for the credits to end, OMG, I dun care who made the game.

The ending makes me really really badly want to play the next one now, is she really dead forever? D:		2010-11-23 21:18:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

I can tell you why, I just don't want to yet. hahaha2010-11-23 21:24:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777

NUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU don't be mean plz. tell us.2010-11-23 21:27:00

Author:
Merc
Posts: 2135

The first civilsation cannot allow desmond to be sidetracked from his union with eve, the carrier of the other half of the First Civilization DNA stock and the key that subject 16 names. Lucy was a distraction that they could not afford. So when Juno mentions the danger of the cross once again (Lucy = Templar Pawn after all, placed to win cooperation? or simply someone who desmond is not allowed to cross breed with). the POE turns him into a pawn and he stabs lucy against his own will

that is all I got for now, I still have to finish the game yet		2010-11-23 21:40:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777

Now that's exactly what I was thinking as well.2010-11-23 22:30:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

*Lucy's dead, but What happened to Shaun (legend) and Rebecca?

*When Desmond stabbed Lucy, did something in the background say something like "Synchronization complete"? If so, we are looking at Desmond still through an animus.

*How did those two men, (one I'm pretty sure is 16) get to Desmond in Juno's temple? OR- In a twist... Desmond's descendant is viewing this from an animus, and is sent into shock by such a sight.... Subject 16 says this in a truth video: "I cannot... The sun... Your son... Too weak... Must replenish energy..." Your Son? Spelt SON.... Strange...
Also, Desmond talks of a memory inside a memory... This could be a clue to what is happening over him...

I also read this thought on the ending: Desmond as a descendant of Adam needs to create a child with the descendant of Eve... Lucy as a love interest is in the way this, and Juno deals accordingly...

*Cliff hangers eat me alive, so right now I'm very moody...		2010-11-24 22:15:00

Author:
KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

1.) That's exactly what everyone is wondering. What are they going to think of Desmond? Where will they go? Are they really going to continue to trust Desmond after that? What's gonna happen next?

2.) WAIT, WHAT?! Could that...have been...the future?!

3.) WHA?!

Jeez, I didn't even think of those as possibilities...Now this cliffhanger is eating me alive even more!		2010-11-25 01:04:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

*the AC gods can be heard nom nom noming on Mercuy*2010-11-25 01:36:00

Author:
Merc
Posts: 2135

I completed the story a few days ago.. i've not really been paying as much attention to it as I did with AC2. When you were walking towards Lucy.. were you controling it? Every time I pressed a certain button it would trigger a reaction.. but I just don't know..

On another note.. <3 Shaun!		2010-11-25 02:33:00

Author:
iTriangle
Posts: 125

On another note.. <3 Shaun!

Is it just me, or does there have to be a british guy in EVERY game to make it good?

try to name a game that doesn't have a british guy.		2010-11-25 04:04:00

Author:
Merc
Posts: 2135

Is it just me, or does there have to be a british guy in EVERY game to make it good?

try to name a game that doesn't have a british guy.

Uncharted 2.		2010-11-25 04:28:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Is it just me, or does there have to be a british guy in EVERY game to make it good?

try to name a game that doesn't have a british guy.

Uncharted 2.

-Ahem- Zim... You forgot inFAMOUS

and Resistance 2, Street Fighter 4, Metal Gear Solid 4, Killzone 2. Need I name more?		2010-11-25 08:03:00

Author:
illuminationx
Posts: 860

In fact, I was going to include that one, but I was just naming one because I could go on and on about how many there are.2010-11-25 08:04:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

In fact, I was going to include that one, but I was just naming one because I could go on and on about how many there are.

Nonsense! You should just name 'em all just to prove how wrong he is...

-Trollin'-		2010-11-25 08:06:00

Author:
illuminationx
Posts: 860

Bringing this back on topic slightly, Shaun's last comment supposedly hints at AC3 being based around the French Revolution... Just wondering how people feel about that? Personally, I think it's gonna be a shame to leave the Renaissance, regardless of where they go to, so I don't really know how I feel about 18th Century France...2010-11-25 09:38:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Really? I never thought of that...2010-11-25 18:54:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Anyone think that if there is to be another assassins creed before AC3, I think it should be of a new protagonist, Eve's descendant, and she will then be tied in to Desmond's plotline in Ac3. I would like this.2010-11-25 20:48:00

Author:
KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

Anyone think that if there is to be another assassins creed before AC3, I think it should be of a new protagonist, Eve's descendant, and she will then be tied in to Desmond's plotline in Ac3. I would like this.

I can tell you right now that's going to happen.		2010-11-25 21:41:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Oh goody...2010-11-25 21:48:00

Author:
KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

WHICH will be probably next year. I heard we were getting another AC game next year that isn't AC3. Or it could be Assassin's Creed 2: Bloodlines lololjk2010-11-25 22:31:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

So, it occured to me earlier that I reached the end of the story before bothering to leave the animus and explore [town name I can't spell] and I didn't read that email either.

Anyone wanna fill me in on interesting aspects of the things I missed?		2010-11-26 14:09:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Monteriggioni. I left the Animus and tried exploring to find the artifact you get that trophy for, but I couldn't find anything. I don't really remember what they say when you talk to them, though, probably just some historical stuff or 'get back to work' as usual.

The only interesting things in the email are some mysterious emails sent to Lucy and Shaun from some guy named William M. One of them updated on the status of their assassins all over Europe, but that's the only thing worth noting.		2010-11-26 16:14:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

The guy at the start... Eridito (something like that) gives you Lucy, Shaun and Rebeccas passwords, telling you to "Stay in the loop"..2010-11-26 18:41:00

Author:
KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

Huh? What guy? As far as I can remember, I kept trying to get into their email but couldn't, and then one day I magically could. I don't remember a guy giving me the password...2010-11-26 18:53:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

He doesn't really.. Just read the first message you get and then you can enter the others... I just think the message had them hidden in there or something...2010-11-26 19:35:00

Author:
KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

I completed the story today, simply shocked.

I made sure that I collected all 5 artifacts (Feather Chest, Claudia's Diary, Mario's Sword, Ezio's Belt, and the Medici Cape), checked email, and had conversations with all present day characters.

I got all single player trophies

as far as 100% game completion goes here is my remaining list
- Guild Challenges.
- Shop Quests.
- collect remaining treasures.
- redo the Tank sequence for 100%.


Also, as you know I'm active on the AC forum for latest updates, SPOILER.

Here's another possible yet interesting theory, for the ending. I'm not the person who came up with this BTW.

Technically he may have killed Lucy (the cross), but he was forced to "kill the sun...his son"- Subject 16. "The Sun will destroy the world" -Minerva. Maybe she meant the "son" will destroy the wolrd. Which is why the goddess had Desmond stab her in her lower abdomen, not the usual kill using hidden blade (to the neck). He had to kill his unborn son.

Another thing: He is a direct descendant of "Those who came before", maybe Lucy is not. Maybe the product of a Descendant and a regular human is not what must be produced...which is why he must find Eve.		2010-11-26 19:36:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777

Huh?! Where'd you find those artifacts? I couldn't find a single one.2010-11-26 19:42:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44ZXTUXl59w

here's a walkthrough, since I'm not good at directions.		2010-11-26 19:55:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777

Man! It's too late now, I'm gonna hafta replay the game on another file. Thanks anyway.2010-11-26 21:35:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

Which is why the goddess had Desmond stab her in her lower abdomen, not the usual kill using hidden blade (to the neck). He had to kill his unborn son.


Edit: You do normally stab in the gut... I forgotz		2010-11-27 15:02:00

Author:
KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

Technically he may have killed Lucy (the cross), but he was forced to "kill the sun...his son"- Subject 16. "The Sun will destroy the world" -Minerva. Maybe she meant the "son" will destroy the wolrd. Which is why the goddess had Desmond stab her in her lower abdomen, not the usual kill using hidden blade (to the neck). He had to kill his unborn son.

If you walk up to someone and press square in assassins creed, you stab the person in the abdomen. So the total number of reasons for believing this theory just dropped to 0 Realistically, if it were to be the case, there is no "plot" in that event, so it would be a very stupid thing to use as the cliffhanger.

Having played around with the game some more, I'm pretty sure that I like every single aspect of the main story mode less than AC:2. Which isn't to say that I dislike this game, just that I like it less than AC2. Which is a shame		2010-11-27 19:48:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

If you walk up to someone and press square in assassins creed, you stab the person in the abdomen. So the total number of reasons for believing this theory just dropped to 0 Realistically, if it were to be the case, there is no "plot" in that event, so it would be a very stupid thing to use as the cliffhanger.

Having played around with the game some more, I'm pretty sure that I like every single aspect of the main story mode less than AC:2. Which isn't to say that I dislike this game, just that I like it less than AC2. Which is a shame

The theory does have it's flaws, there is a lot of INSANE discussions on the AC forum on plot, I found this most interesting, yes kills can be to the the abdomen, but no "Main (story) Target" has ever been killed this way (she is a distraction - OGG). Even the official game guide does not explain fully what happens to lucy, it doesn't even say she was killed. "Nothing is ture, everything is permitted".

Remember the assassins a "children from two worlds"- 16 (Human/OTCB), the OTCB wish to destroy the human gene and stop the cross breeding one and for all, hence the reason Desmond must find "eve" carrier of the other side of the DNA to recreate the OTCB race. 16 went insane because he unlocked the sixth sense "Knowledge", which is why he knows past, present and future events.

Also if people looked at the mysterious emails, you'd know who possibly took Desmond away.		2010-11-27 20:15:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777

The theory does have it's flaws, there is a lot of INSANE discussions on the AC forum on plot, I found this most interesting, yes kills can be to the the abdomen, but no "Main (story) Target" has ever been killed this way (she is a distraction - OGG). Even the official game guide does not explain fully what happens to lucy, it doesn't even say she was killed. "Nothing is ture, everything is permitted".

Remember the assassins a "children from two worlds"- 16 (Human/OTCB), the OTCB wish to destroy the human gene and stop the cross breeding one and for all, hence the reason Desmond must find "eve" carrier of the other side of the DNA to recreate the OTCB race. 16 went insane because he unlocked the sixth sense "Knowledge", which is why he knows past, present and future events.

Also if people looked at the mysterious emails, you'd know who possibly took Desmond away.

I never thought of it that way, jeezus, I think you're right...

And judging by the emails, I'm guessing that person was 'William M.'		2010-11-28 02:24:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

I'm still not seeing how killing a character that had no plot relevance (i.e. this child that no reference has been made to and therefore may as well have not existed, from the POV of narrative flow) is significant enough to build a cliffhanger around. And assuming that main characters can't be killed by a blade to the stomach is a little silly - sure it could be used as a narrative device, but it doesn't fit with the "rules" of the game - no main plot character (or any character at all as far as I remember) has been stabbed in the stomach by an assassin and survived, if you want to be nit-picky about the details... Then the fact that if lucy is a distraction from desmond finding eve, then clearly killing her is best (the imagined baby would die too anyway so win-win).

I don't really see that it is a theory that has holes, because for that to be the case, there would need to be some substance holding the holes together If this turns out to be what actually happens, then someone on the narrative team at ubisoft has really dropped the ball

And of course the strategy guide doesn't tell you the answers to the cliffhanger, that would defeat the entire point of having the cliffhanger 		2010-11-28 13:03:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

Ahh,

But Lucy has everything to do with plot relevance http://assassinscreed.wikia.com/wiki/Lucy_Stillman, of course the this "baby" has not been referenced and I'm sure in the 2 weeks between AC and ACB they didn't get it on, but they've said nothing about stopping a future event from happening (Knowledge - the sixth sense), read up on Assassin's Wiki for all character bio's on the game, the smallest of information often has the largest of relevance with AC games.

I agree the blade to the stomach is a little silly in Game play a target can be assassinated this way, but judging by the animus cutscenes most kills are to the neck. I'm not defending the theory, just keeping an open mind. Ezio himself has been stabbed twice in the stomach and survived in a time when medical knowledge was limited.

Killing Lucy was in the best interests of the one's that came before, so the race can be reborn, Desmond must be united with the carrier of "eve" for this to happen and humanity will be enslaved by the OTCB again. A pointless fact, Desmond has the same voice as Adam . Well, we'll wait and see what happens, who knows right?

BUT remember Adam and Eve (the first assassins) betrayed the OTCB and took the PoE away from Eden (the first civilization) , what's to say Desmond and the Eve carrier will not do the same?

Subject 16 talked about finding Eve in Eden, yet Eden was destroyed along with the OTCB, who's to say Eve is a person but instead a manufactured gene?


William M. hmmm.... wait I know... William Miles.


As well as the never left the animus theory, Desmond may never have stabbed lucy at all, the "bleeding effect" is the beginning of knowledge, which he needs to unlock. He could be hallucinating a future event, like he did with Altair only it was a past event instead.		2010-11-28 14:13:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777

You sir, just blew my mind.2010-11-28 15:42:00

Author:
Merc
Posts: 2135

I'm starting to think William M is probably Desmond's father... As an assassin himself, of course he would find out when his son becomes a big part in their investigation. One of The voices is very mature, calling himself, "The expert".... Using 'M' instead is part of the secret, or else the story becomes a bit obvious.2010-11-28 19:28:00

Author:
KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

I'm starting to think William M is probably Desmond's father... As an assassin himself, of course he would find out when his son becomes a big part in their investigation. One of The voices is very mature, calling himself, "The expert".... Using 'M' instead is part of the secret, or else the story becomes a bit obvious.

speculation is that he is Desmond's father.		2010-11-28 21:23:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777

Maybe he works for Abstergo? think about it, why else would he want to put Desmond back in the Animus? and in some movies/games, 2 of the closest people are on opposing sides, just a thought.2010-11-29 02:40:00

Author:
Merc
Posts: 2135

Wait who is William M?!?1?!?!?
I have played all the Assassin creed games (and beaten their stories)
But im drawing a blank here		2010-11-29 03:53:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

Wait who is William M?!?1?!?!?
I have played all the Assassin creed games (and beaten their stories)
But im drawing a blank here

William M. is a dude that was sending mysterious emails to Lucy and Shaun - If you check their inbox or sent items, you find a emails from him.		2010-11-29 04:07:00

Author:
TheZimInvader
Posts: 3149

William M. is a dude that was sending mysterious emails to Lucy and Shaun - If you check their inbox or sent items, you find a emails from him.

Oh, i thought he was a random stalker 		2010-11-29 21:10:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

How do u get into their Emails?

EDIT: Also here is my take on the ending



The entire AC1, 2 and Brotherhood series was within a memory, They talk about memorys within a memory, Desmonds Grandchild or something is veiwing the memory of desmond which is vewing the memorys of his ancestors. I think this becuase whenever memorys get regected (Something bad they dont like happened) they become locked apparently. The person vewing Desmonds memory didnt like the fact lucy died thus locking the memory and the credits was him being like locked out.		2010-11-29 21:12:00

Author:
Unknown User

Just go to desmonds own little computer out of the animus, and then just click on the persons emails that you want to view.2010-11-29 21:21:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

Hey, guys another development on the Lucy dying theory.

Another PoE call "The Shroud" could revive her http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shroud_of_Turin, it is the very shroud used to bring Jesus back from the dead (in AC of course).		2010-11-29 21:42:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777

I just finished all of subject 16's puzzles and - long story short - he specifically mentions Desmonds child. This would make the previous theories regarding Lucy (who he also refers to) all the more plausible 2010-11-29 23:22:00

Author:
OCK
Posts: 1536

I just finished all of subject 16's puzzles and - long story short - he specifically mentions Desmonds child. This would make the previous theories regarding Lucy (who he also refers to) all the more plausible

I completly forgot about subject 16's puzzles.... i should do those 		2010-11-30 02:45:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419

I knew about the shroud... Jesus's Piece... made him be able to heal the sick and revive himself.
The Roman's had him crucified to get his POE, as The Templars were disguised as The Roman army at the time.

Also Convenient for the story is that Turin is in Italy.		2010-11-30 16:08:00

Author:
KQuinn94Z
Posts: 1758

Oh Ubisoft you're so predictable.


Ubisoft has announced Assassin's Creed Brotherhood: The Da Vinci Edition, due out on 25th March for PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360.

It bundles together Ubisoft Montreal's Assassin's Creed Brotherhood and the recently announced The Da Vinci Disappearance downloadable content, and slaps a ?49.99 RRP on top.

The Da Vinci Disappearance, which launches this month, costs 800 Microsoft Points (?6.85). It includes single-player and multiplayer content.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-03-01-ac-brotherhood-the-da-vinci-edition

http://images.eurogamer.net/assets/articles//a/1/3/3/3/7/3/1/ss_preview_ACB_DV_PS3_slipcase_UK_2D.jpg.jpg		2011-03-01 11:31:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

Yeah, that DLC is an insta-buy, lol.

Having not read the last three pages, I'm simply going to offer some of my observations:

Desmond is the descendant of Adam (noting the same voice actor), and he needs to find a female descendant and have a child with her, and that son will have a major impact on the future of the world. It could be that Lucy is an Abstergo spy, OR she's simply not the woman Desmond needs to find, therefore his love for her would get in the way of the way events need to unfold. Of course this is all doubtful since the game takes place just a couple of months before December 21st, 2012, which is the date of the Abstergo launch and I'm assuming the game is using the end of the Long Count on the Mayan calendar. A little soon for the son to have a major impact on things. Subject 16 says "The sun, your son", so one could make a connection to the Mayan sun god, who was important in their mythology. Another interesting note is that Altair translates to "Son of None", which could point to his ancestry to Adam, who was a "son of none".

Or this whole thing has been written by M. Night Shyamalan and serves only to confuse the hell out of everyone. =D		2011-03-01 16:54:00

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Patronus21
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