Archive: 46 posts

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Alright, we have a new rule for the site, and while it may bother some, I'll provide my reasoning for it. Religious content will be heavily monitored. Based on context, we retain the right to lock or delete any religiously-driven thread or post. It all depends on the situation, but on the whole, just avoid religious topics. This includes defending and/or attacking religion in general. We are a site based on a game, and while religion is a difficult topic to avoid, I'm asking you all to try. We're not going to be dictators and censor everything related to religion, but if we feel the need to, we have the right to take action against religiously based comments. -------------------- Also, the "News Submission" section did not allow new threads to be made, which was a mistake. It's purpose is to allow members to submit news they think should hit the front page, and for a while it was locked down. That was an accident, and it's been fixed.

2008-11-01 23:47:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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This should help.. Nice one Cartman.

2008-11-01 23:49:00 Author: TheArmedReaper Posts: 1543

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Seems fair enough.

2008-11-01 23:50:00 Author: floor3013 Posts: 287

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Well, I can see where that might be a problem. Considering it's been one recently... Anyway, nice to see you fix news submission.

2008-11-02 00:06:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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sounds like a plan we have to draw the line somewhere great as always cartman!

2008-11-02 00:17:00 Author: Frank-the-Bunny Posts: 1246

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THANK.YOU.

2008-11-02 00:26:00 Author: Unknown User

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wait, so we can't talk about religion any? like none at all?

2008-11-02 00:31:00 Author: red hot chilla Posts: 23

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wait, so we can't talk about religion any? like none at all? Seems like it. But hey, in order to build a utopia, you have to take away rights. Then again, it just SEEMS like a Utopia... no Utopia can be a utopia because of human nature... But this is not the time nor place.

2008-11-02 00:33:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Yeah, great idea. There are plenty of other forums out there set up to discuss religion (you can swear on some of them too). LBPC is about a game that has no particular religious affiliation at all. Bravo, CCartman.

2008-11-02 00:55:00 Author: FlowersInHisHair Posts: 126

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Nice move, I agree w/ you 100% thanks for putting it up.

2008-11-02 00:59:00 Author: THE-FAT Posts: 143

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ConfusedCartman I think you have made a good decision regarding religious content, where most forums would discriminate and ban discussion outright you seem to have really taken a good look at the situation. I think as long as threads about religion are orderly and respectful in their discussion they should be allowed. The trouble comes where you get people who think they are either above religion or people thinking they are better than others who believe one thing over another and proceed to belittle them or dismiss their beliefs as something trivial and worthless. As you have pointed out, threads discussing religion will be heavily monitored and I think it should be made aware that anyone posting condescending comments, trolling or being disrespectful in anyway in one of these threads can get banned for a period of time (or indefinitely) and their post removed (looking back I think this is mentioned anyway but thought I'd just repeat for extra effect).

2008-11-02 01:30:00 Author: Robinhood Posts: 79

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can you guys start giving us new site features, instead of new site rules?

2008-11-02 01:41:00 Author: Unknown User

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can you guys start giving us new site features, instead of new site rules? Well, first of all, the rules (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=1766) are fairly simple and straightforward. I don't think there are too many, if that's what you're implying. Second, what do you have in mind? Obviously we're always open to feedback (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19) and I know you've suggested some things in the past, which I've addressed. Is there something missing that we should have?

2008-11-02 01:01:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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Maybe I should of been reading a few more forum pages recently, but at the moment I'm unclear why this 'New Rule' has come about? What has sparked this new rule? I accept that there should be a certain etiquette, when posting. 'No Bad Language' etc etc is totally acceptable to me, but I'm at somewhat of a loss as to why we are now being told that certain subjects are effectively 'off-limits'. I've read the 'Rules' to make sure I know what type things are allowed and are not. However, I personally find rule No 1 puzzling. It suggests that you guys are intollerant to competition, with regards to other LBP websites or forum's. I don't understand why this rule has been included? Care to shed any light of this question? As a side note, I'd just like to say that the 'forced read' option seems to be being used way too much IMO. Near enough everytime I go to log in, I've got to read something before I can go on to what I actually want to look at.

2008-11-02 01:29:00 Author: scooby4953 Posts: 43

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I agree, this public announcement thing has been happening way too much lately, most of which are just simple common sense things..., but look on the bright side, once the rules for the future society has been established, its done, LBPC is just starting to grow as a community and the rules are just starting to pop up... that aside: isn't this kind of common sense, religion debate + community = flamewar...

2008-11-02 01:29:00 Author: Reshin Posts: 1081

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Maybe I should of been reading a few more forum pages recently, but at the moment I'm unclear why this 'New Rule' has come about? What has sparked this new rule? I accept that there should be a certain etiquette, when posting. 'No Bad Language' etc etc is totally acceptable to me, but I'm at somewhat of a loss as to why we are now being told that certain subjects are effectively 'off-limits'. I've read the 'Rules' to make sure I know what type things are allowed and are not. However, I personally find rule No 1 puzzling. It suggests that you guys are intollerant to competition, with regards to other LBP websites or forum's. I don't understand why this rule has been included? Care to shed any light of this question? As a side note, I'd just like to say that the 'forced read' option seems to be being used way too much IMO. Near enough everytime I go to log in, I've got to read something before I can go on to what I actually want to look at. First, this new rule exists for a few reasons. Mainly, it is because it is a rule that should be established at some point, but I waited to see if it ever became a problem. It did (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=3878), so we instated this rule. Regarding advertising: seeing as we pay to keep this site running, it doesn't seem fair that someone else should be able to use our server space(effectively, money out of our own pocket) to advertise their site, does it? I agree, this public announcement thing has been happening way too much lately, most of which are just simple common sense things..., but look on the bright side, once the rules for the future society has been established, its done, LBPC is just starting to grow as a community and the rules are just starting to pop up... I know these have been happening frequently recently, but I only use it when I think the entire site should be aware of something. This is a new rule that everyone should be aware of, and this is the easiest way to ensure it. As LBPCentral grows and matures more, we'll have fleshed out the necessary rules and other important information, and we will force read threads much less frequently.

2008-11-02 01:36:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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that aside: isn't this kind of common sense, religion debate + community = flamewar... You could say that about any debate, as long as there are people who have one view, and another group who have an opposing view point. They can all end in a flame war, but by simply saying that certain subject area's are 'off-limit', only propergates the belief that we can only do what we are told we 'can' do. LBP is about creativity, and I find it sad that a game site dedicated to LBP is 'OK' with telling their members what they can and can't talk about of thier forums. I accept rules like no bad language, as to me that's 'common sense'. But saying that something is not allowed on the forum's doesn't seem right to me. Surely, if people are flaming religion in some way (Or any other subject for that matter) that could be covered by a far more general rule that could be applied, in terms of members being respectful to each other. Simply locking a particular subject as 'off-limits' isn't good IMO

2008-11-02 01:47:00 Author: scooby4953 Posts: 43

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You could say that about any debate, as long as there are people who have one view, and another group who have an opposing view point. They can all end in a flame war, but by simply saying that certain subject area's are 'off-limit', only propergates the belief that we can only do what we are told we 'can' do. Erm, "belief"? The fact is, members are restricted by the rules, and you either respect them or you leave. LBP is about creativity, and I find it sad that a game site dedicated to LBP is 'OK' with telling their members what they can and can't talk about of thier forums. I accept rules like no bad language, as to me that's 'common sense'. But saying that something is not allowed on the forum's doesn't seem right to me. Surely, if people are flaming religion in some way (Or any other subject for that matter) that could be covered by a far more general rule that could be applied, in terms of members being respectful to each other. Simply locking a particular subject as 'off-limits' isn't good IMO I don't believe religious opinion has anything to do with creativity, or LittleBigPlanet in general. This rule is about keeping the peace around the forums. However righteous you think people can act while arguing, the fact is most will not be respectful when they disagree. Plus, where did you get the idea that the topic is completely off limits? All I said was it would be heavily monitored, not completely blocked off.

2008-11-02 03:00:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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GOD HELP US!!! another rule! lol... get it?

2008-11-02 03:20:00 Author: 12454522412412 Posts: 779

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I havent been here for that long but this has been the third rule i've seen implemented...

2008-11-02 04:03:00 Author: squishy_squid Posts: 64

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I havent been here for that long but this has been the third rule i've seen implemented... Since launch, we've had many new members join. The increase in activity means rules that were previously assumed(such as being respectful toward members and staff) need to be explicitly laid out. I don't think the rules really infringe upon your ability to correctly interact in the forums, and they aren't going to be changed because they irritate some people.

2008-11-02 06:16:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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Sure wont get any complaints from me about this one, nope. I dont have any problems with religions of any type, but still, I can totally understand the benefit of such a rule being set down. A good move, I think.

2008-11-02 06:39:00 Author: Bridget Posts: 334

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Well, first of all, the rules (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=t=1766) are fairly simple and straightforward. I don't think there are too many, if that's what you're implying. Second, what do you have in mind? Obviously we're always open to feedback (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=19) and I know you've suggested some things in the past, which I've addressed. Is there something missing that we should have? Well dont get me wrong, I love u guys and all, but I just feel like the censoring on the site is going a little far. Even saying things like your mother is a waliggly lag, is an offense term around here. We use these powerful words to help emphasize what we are trying to say, and this limits my vocabulary a little. But honestly I feel like theres so much more that needs to be done for the site...I just dont know where. lol. Mabye a thread to keep track of all the levels we have by users on this site, and a video to go with. Alot of great levels are being posted round here but alot of people wont play them until they see em. Sorry if this post is written terribly, im really tired and im sleepy. lol but keep the good work guys, just loosen up a little?

2008-11-02 07:07:00 Author: Unknown User

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Well dont get me wrong, I love u guys and all, but I just feel like the censoring on the site is going a little far. Even saying things like your mother is a waliggly lag, is an offense term around here. We use these powerful words to help emphasize what we are trying to say, and this limits my vocabulary a little. But honestly I feel like theres so much more that needs to be done for the site...I just dont know where. lol. Mabye a thread to keep track of all the levels we have by users on this site, and a video to go with. Alot of great levels are being posted round here but alot of people wont play them until they see em. Sorry if this post is written terribly, im really tired and im sleepy. lol but keep the good work guys, just loosen up a little? ^_^ agreed

2008-11-02 08:10:00 Author: squishy_squid Posts: 64

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Well dont get me wrong, I love u guys and all, but I just feel like the censoring on the site is going a little far. Even saying things like your mother is a waliggly lag, is an offense term around here. We use these powerful words to help emphasize what we are trying to say, and this limits my vocabulary a little. But honestly I feel like theres so much more that needs to be done for the site...I just dont know where. lol. Mabye a thread to keep track of all the levels we have by users on this site, and a video to go with. Alot of great levels are being posted round here but alot of people wont play them until they see em. Sorry if this post is written terribly, im really tired and im sleepy. lol but keep the good work guys, just loosen up a little? You can say your mother is a waliggly lag, whatever that means, all you want, you just can't swear or try and bypass the swear filter or incite racial or religious hatred. The game and therefore this site are rated E 7+ for everyone if you can't type a reply and get your point across without swearing might I suggest you try and increase your vocabulary. You chose to register to be a member of this site and membership comes with certain rules and responsibilities, it's pretty simple and most seem to not have a problem with it. As for a forum to keep track of the levels with videos have you had a look in the Level Showcase Forum (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=40)? You'll be amazed at what you'll find in there Cheers QuozL

2008-11-02 08:22:00 Author: QuozL Posts: 921

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A victory for Marino... Will the debate thread be re-opened at any point so we can continue debating things that are not controversial in the least? Look, I understand why the rule has come about; it really doesn't bother me that I'm not allowed to express myself even in a civilized manner when debating. Rules are rules and I believe in falling in line with the law, both natural and man-made. Bottom line is that certain people will have problems debating anything; they'll instead resort to name-calling and vulgarity. Again, I'm for the change if it's necessary.

2008-11-02 11:55:00 Author: supersickie Posts: 1366

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@scooby I gues this is becuase of the discussion thread whitch was about religion. though it wasn't really offensive I think.

2008-11-02 12:03:00 Author: MatthijsNL Posts: 164

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A victory for Marino... Will the debate thread be re-opened at any point so we can continue debating things that are not controversial in the least? Look, I understand why the rule has come about; it really doesn't bother me that I'm not allowed to express myself even in a civilized manner when debating. Rules are rules and I believe in falling in line with the law, both natural and man-made. Bottom line is that certain people will have problems debating anything; they'll instead resort to name-calling and vulgarity. Again, I'm for the change if it's necessary. Yes, the debate thread has been re-opened. Also, where did you get the idea that religious discussion was completely off limits? In laymans terms, the rule is requesting you guys be careful with the subject, and informing you we can take executive action against posts and threads based on it if we feel it is necessary. I didn't say religion is completely off-limits.

2008-11-02 15:30:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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Yes, the debate thread has been re-opened. Also, where did you get the idea that religious discussion was completely off limits? In laymans terms, the rule is requesting you guys be careful with the subject, and informing you we can take executive action against posts and threads based on it if we feel it is necessary. I didn't say religion is completely off-limits. It might not be off-limits, but it's definitely implied that we cut it out altogether. It's clear that some have a difficult time holding intelligent and civil discussions so there's really no point in even getting a discussion going. That's all I'm saying.

2008-11-02 15:32:00 Author: supersickie Posts: 1366

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It might not be off-limits, but it's definitely implied that we cut it out altogether. It's clear that some have a difficult time holding intelligent and civil discussions so there's really no point in even getting a discussion going. That's all I'm saying. You are correct, that's why the rule is in place. If every member was mature enough to handle discussion like that, then the rules would be different. The fact is, not everyone can argue and be civilized at the same time, especially when they have the anonymity of the internet on their side.

2008-11-02 15:35:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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You are correct, that's why the rule is in place. If every member was mature enough to handle discussion like that, then the rules would be different. The fact is, not everyone can argue and be civilized at the same time, especially when they have the anonymity of the internet on their side. Agreed and understood.

2008-11-02 15:38:00 Author: supersickie Posts: 1366

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Yeah. I think I've come close to being unfair to religions, mainly Islam, so I apologise CC and everyone else.

2008-11-02 16:18:00 Author: mongoose7 Posts: 473

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I am against this rule. It was brought up in a debate thread. It is right where it belongs. So why does religion get special treatment? Because people might get their feelings hurt? Who cares if their feelings get hurt? I would much rather have their feelings get hurt than to legitimize this idea that people's religious beliefs should be not be questioned and must be respected. If beliefs were always supposed to be respected, then why do we put people in the loony bin?

2008-11-02 16:25:00 Author: Voltiare Posts: 646

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arrrrrr, oh well, can we make fun of our selfs, i thought americans was all about freedom of speech, not saying cartman is american or anything but to some of the us people wouldnt this go aganist their country believe they every one has freedom to say what they what, or have i been watching too many ameircans shows

2008-11-02 16:26:00 Author: panzer3000 Posts: 362

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arrrrrr, oh well, can we make fun of our selfs, i thought americans was all about freedom of speech, not saying cartman is american or anything but to some of the us people wouldnt this go aganist their country believe they every one has freedom to say what they what, or have i been watching too many ameircans showsThat is the way it is supposed to be, but there are many people that have this weird notion that religion is special and we must all get along. I, for one, hate this rule as it is against my freedom of speech. So much so that I am boiling to rebel and talk about religion anyway.

2008-11-02 16:40:00 Author: Voltiare Posts: 646

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arrrrrr, oh well, can we make fun of our selfs, i thought americans was all about freedom of speech, not saying cartman is american or anything but to some of the us people wouldnt this go aganist their country believe they every one has freedom to say what they what, or have i been watching too many ameircans shows I am American, but that's beside the point. We're not a democracy. Members choose to register, so they also choose to follow the rules we set. If you don't like it, you don't have to be here. That is the way it is supposed to be, but there are many people that have this weird notion that religion is special and we must all get along. I, for one, hate this rule as it is against my freedom of speech. So much so that I am boiling to rebel and talk about religion anyway. It won't get you far, I promise you.

2008-11-02 16:50:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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thanks, that always starts conflict

2008-11-02 18:14:00 Author: BloodFlameX Posts: 349

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for everyone saying this is against freedom of speech or expression or whatever. that is ridiculous. your not being stopped discussing anything you just can't discuss it here. if you think because you can't have religious discussions on LBPC is against your freedom of speech. why aren't you complaining that you can't swear on LBPC or that you can't make levels in LBP that are over the 8 rating? and you aren't even being stopped discussing religion on the fourm it just being heavily monitored from now on.

2008-11-02 18:36:00 Author: Don Vhalt Posts: 2270

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im just saying if you cant talk about the song that cause the delay then that going aganist people beleif of freedom of speech, i think one of the rule is not to be rasist, and to repect other people beilefs, so if you stop people for talking about their views, you are stoping freedom of speech, you are breaking the rule for stoping what they belief in so you cant win what ever you do i agree with no swear, you can still day what you wont without swears, but some word i dont condier swearing like c r a p, which is swearing, or a r s e, but that who ameircas say butt im klingon and part of my belief is to fight, kill and have a honourble death.

2008-11-02 20:29:00 Author: panzer3000 Posts: 362

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I am American, but that's beside the point. We're not a democracy. Members choose to register, so they also choose to follow the rules we set. If you don't like it, you don't have to be here. It won't get you far, I promise you.I am just trying to convince you all to rethink the rule. I understand where you are coming from, but there was nothing wrong happening in the debate thread. They were not insulting the persons, but rather the opinions. They disagree. So what? That's what debating means.

2008-11-02 21:07:00 Author: Voltiare Posts: 646

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So you the aristocracy of the forums? You all make the rules and we have no say in it? I am just trying to convince you all to rethink the rule. I understand where you are coming from, but there was nothing wrong happening in the debate thread. They were not insulting the persons, but rather the opinions. They disagree. So what? That's what debating means. every one has the right to say what they belief, i think people on the debate thread are trying to tell people to think through their ideas as it probley doesnt make sence, like me, a debate is a debate

2008-11-02 21:12:00 Author: panzer3000 Posts: 362

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every one has the right to say what they belief, i think people on the debate thread are trying to tell people to think through their ideas as it probley doesnt make sence, like me, a debate is a debate*Nods* Everyone has the right to say what they believe and everyone has the right to criticize everyone's beliefs. Just don't insult the person and it's all good.

2008-11-02 21:30:00 Author: Voltiare Posts: 646

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nice i am glad for this change

2008-11-02 21:56:00 Author: RAINFIRE Posts: 1101

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I am against this rule. It was brought up in a debate thread. It is right where it belongs. So why does religion get special treatment? Because people might get their feelings hurt? Who cares if their feelings get hurt? I would much rather have their feelings get hurt than to legitimize this idea that people's religious beliefs should be not be questioned and must be respected. If beliefs were always supposed to be respected, then why do we put people in the loony bin? This guy speaks the truth. However, I also think religion is talked about way too often for site like this so I'm actually in favour of this rule.

2008-11-02 23:01:00 Author: UmJammerSully Posts: 1097

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For those of you citing free speech: on this site, once you start insulting other's beliefs, free speech ends. That's how it works. I never said religion is off limits, just a touchy subject that should be avoided if possible. I don't know where you guys are hearing that it's not allowed at all. I am just trying to convince you all to rethink the rule. I understand where you are coming from, but there was nothing wrong happening in the debate thread. They were not insulting the persons, but rather the opinions. They disagree. So what? That's what debating means. Regarding your edit: No, I am not the only one who makes the rules, and we do consider the opinion of our members, but it does not work like a democracy. We make executive decisions, whether or not we are disagreed with. Also, the debate thread has been re-opened(this morning) with a warning that it would be watched for any rudeness.

2008-11-03 00:22:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729

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I've been thinking about this all weekend, and I have to say this leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The fact that the original post that started all this has now been re-opened, which is discussing if a 'WAR' can ever be just or un-just really troubles me. Especially after all the things that have gone on recently regarding the 'Offensive Song' in LBP, there seems to me that there is a legitimate reason for discussing religion. But......I see no need what-so-ever for a discussion on 'WAR' on a forum like this. WAR & LBP have nothing in common, so I just don't get it. In fact the discussion about war and some points that have been stated in that post I personally find very offensive. I'm 37 years old, so I would like to think I've been around the block a few times, but you lot really need to have a real good think about this. Disscusions on WAR has no place on this forum!! @Cartman, your original post stated to avoid the subject of religion, that's why I & others felt you were saying it was off limits.

2008-11-03 00:58:00 Author: scooby4953 Posts: 43

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