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I wasn't sure whether to post this in Help forums or not since this topic isn't directly related to help with the game. IMPORTANT NOTE: No need to bash me for my hobby of pro LBP play. This is just a request for help with good way to record, with an explaination of why!!! Please read whole post first! I have gotten lots of requests for pro play LBP videos in past, but sadly there are no recordings of professional play. I've also been wanting to record for a long time to keep records/documentation purposes, and to create pro demo reels of major players and other things related, including expert technique tutorial vids, etc, because it would also help for players we mentor time to time to study on their own time if they wish. I looked into it and a capture card like Dazzle is what everyone mentions, but with Dazzle you have to play with no HDMI. So I'm asking if anyone knows a way to play with HDMI, but record in high quality? The recording doesn't have to be HD, but I do want high quality recording. But I want to be able to play normally in HD while it records in high quality or HD (HD recording not requirement) Is there a capture card that can do that? Or any device that does not involve buying a camera/camcorder? Any help appreciated, thanks! And if this topic somehow makes people want to bash me, then please do it in visitor message on my profile or PM. EDIT: I'm sure many have asked this in past. But I wasn't around to see it if it did, so sorry if this is a tired subject.

2010-11-05 02:45:00 Author: Hana_Kami Posts: 393

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I bought a Happague HD PVR and I like it. You can't use the hdmi when your recording but you play in HD using the cables it comes with while recording directly to your computer.

2010-11-05 02:47:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983

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Thank you Morgana, I'll look into that. Sounds like sort of thing I'm looking for. ^^ If anyone else has suggestions, fell free to post them. I'll check into every suggestion.

2010-11-05 02:52:00 Author: Hana_Kami Posts: 393

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There are HD capture cards you can find. They are very few however if you use a PC. I got one that is really good called the Intesity Pro by Blackmagic designs. It can even capture in full 1080p 60fps. If you want to look at some example from my capture card, I have videos of my LBP levels on Youtube in 720p 30fps: http://www.youtube.com/user/RangerJSG#p/u/6/5_JLhd4ucd8

2010-11-05 15:17:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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There is no way to record PS3 game-play using HDMI. The PS3 uses HDMI 1.3 which has High-Bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which prevents you from recording the signal.

2010-11-06 01:15:00 Author: fluxlasers Posts: 182

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The PS3 uses HDMI 1.3 which has High-Bandwidth Digital Copyright Protection (HDCP) which prevents you from recording the signal. Doesn't HDCP only apply to copyrighted materials, like Blu-rays? I thought that gameplay footage was fair game, as long as you have an arm and a leg to spare on BM Intensity and all the ridiculous hardware requirements that go with it.

2010-11-08 03:15:00 Author: jdteather314 Posts: 74

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HDCP prevents you from recording any digital signal via HDMI. This is why HD video recorders use component (analogue) signals. However, there may be some hardware/software/firmware that can "crack" the HDCP, but there is no easy way (if any) to record signals via HDMI(v1.3). Check out the forums on machinima.com for more information relating to recording gameplay videos in HD. machinima.com/forums/gameplay capturing and recording (http://www.machinima.com/forums/viewforum.php?f=31&sid=8e6623b616a43d45edd9e270c06e6861)

2010-11-08 04:25:00 Author: fluxlasers Posts: 182

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I looked up everyone's suggestions and I'm stumped. The HD PVR Morgana mentioned and the Intensity Pro Ranger mentioned are both the same price of $200. I guess they're so expensive because they record in HD. Guess I'll save up an extra month. Wasn't planning to spend over $100. Thought there might be something out there that can record in standard high quality, but let you play in your usual HD. @Morgana: I looked up the HD PVR you mentioned, and it says it only records 2 hours. But I might be misunderstanding what they said. They said 2 hours can be recorded to blu-ray disc. Are they just meaning how much can fit to a blank blu-ray? Or that the HD PVR itself can only record 2 hours for a single recording? I'm wanting to be able to record as long as I want with my only limit being my PC's memory. Can it do this? @Ranger: I looked up the Intensity Pro. On the official site there are 2 now. There's also an Intensity Shuttle. They are both same price, but I'm confused. The Pro you mentioned looks like a computer chip, almost like a graphics card, or something that goes inside the computer. The Shuttle on the other hand actually looks like a device, which is what I'm looking for. But is there any difference between them besides one looks like a device and the other a chip? I'm not familiar with stuff like this, so I figured you might know better. @fluxlasers: When I asked to be able to record in HDMI, I meant HD in general, not that it had to be the HDMI cord. Sorry for confusion. Also that Intensity pro Ranger mentioned does record with HDMI. It has an HDMI input and output and says you can capture with HDMI. Apparently it's the world's first HDMI and analog component, or at least it says that on their product description (official site).

2010-11-09 13:02:00 Author: Hana_Kami Posts: 393

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@Morgana: I looked up the HD PVR you mentioned, and it says it only records 2 hours. But I might be misunderstanding what they said. They said 2 hours can be recorded to blu-ray disc. Are they just meaning how much can fit to a blank blu-ray? Or that the HD PVR itself can only record 2 hours for a single recording? I'm wanting to be able to record as long as I want with my only limit being my PC's memory. Can it do this? Not Morgana (obviously!), but I do have an HD PVR. There is really no limit except for the space on your pc that you are capturing to. Two hours though would be a horribly huge file depending on the bit rate you choose for the capture, especially recording to an M2TS file type. I use around 8mbps as my bit rate and usually try to keep each recording around 5 - 6 minutes as that will be a 300mb - 400mb file. I mostly do videos for the Creator Spotlight, so each shot can be quite short for the storyline (1 to 2 minutes unless there are several retakes). When doing the Closeup part of the videos, I have to watch it because each segment I record can quickly creep up to 8 - 12 minutes which ends up being over a gig of data. This may not be an issue for you, but in my case I am uploading to an FTP server so one of our editors can download and have at it all.. They like to deal with smaller files for their editing as it makes it easier to mess with. I like smaller files as well since I have to upload all this stuff and in the terms of bandwidth, upload speed is usually much slower than download speed. lol

2010-11-09 13:17:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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Just realized I forgot to thank fluxlasers for the machinima HD recording info link. My mind must of wandered, meant to do that last post. @jww: Ok, thanks for clearing that up. And for my purpose I would need long recording times. A lot of pro levels are extremely long. Some can average 4 to 12 hours to clear if they are infinite cp and hardest out there. I guess I'll have to only record obstacle clears and skip the deaths. But even then some insane limited cp ones can be very long, like it took me 3 hours to clear Elite Stage 4 by willtang1134, well then again it did have one infinite cp part, but still. His Elite Stages are known for their length, somewhere from 75 to 100 extreme obstacles in Elite Stage 4. But some pro levels are very short, like clear within half hour. I guess I should be fine because once I upload the vids and burn them to a disc, I'll be deleting them from my PC.

2010-11-09 13:51:00 Author: Hana_Kami Posts: 393

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Twelve hours? Who would ever want to watch that much? Never mind... no need to answer. However as a comparison, youtube only accepts up to 15 minutes on a standard account. If you are burning to a bluray, then you will have quite a bit of time to play with, but still whoever your audience is might fall asleep before they ever get to the ending. As far as recording and skipping.. that is what editing is all about.

2010-11-09 14:46:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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True, but the full recording with deaths wasn't intended for others to see, it would be documented to blu-ray for records, and anything longer than 8 hours is very rare anyways. Longer than 4 is uncommon. For everyone else it would be edited to only show obstacle clears, which means even in a long level I don't think it would be over 30 mins, well except extremely long ones might. As for audience, they would be for any enthusiasts/fans of extreme platforming, or new pro players or established ones that are struggling to clear and maybe want to see the entire level to know their own progress, etc, or for anyone that simply likes to see amazing gameplay/skill. But the trailer/demo reels of course will be shorter, like ones showing so and so player, maybe 3 or 4 mins average, which is the average for most pro demo trailers in things like break dancing, skateboarding, or other pro video game player demonstrations. I will be posting vid links in thread at LBPC also since many casual players that have seen pro play told me I should. But then people might think the videos are doctored/fake. Oh well, people can think what they want. Plus I'm eager to show MM some footage themselves. It'd be neat to actually mail MM a disc of pro play just because I think it'd be cool to see people playing a game we (from MM's point of view) MM created at such extremes. I'm positive MM would like it. LBP being such a wonderful and varied game, extremes are never seen. Just think it's time to shed some light on the existence of that part of the community. Much how I'm sure MM loves all the dedicated creators that are so dedicated to the point of mastering create mode/create abilities. Now players mastering the play aspect can be seen, plus 'many' have asked for it anyways. Just wished I had done sooner before LBP2. I still won't be able to get a recording device for another month or so, and I might cancel getting recording device anyways if there's other things I unexpectedly have to buy in the coming months. As for youtube I'd be updating to a paid account since I know of the account time differences. Or I could just divide the level playthroughs in parts. It's something I've been thinking about time to time past few months. But yeah, I wouldn't be uploading no 12 hour video, not even 4 hours. The upload time for that would be horrendous anyways. Lol.

2010-11-10 12:04:00 Author: Hana_Kami Posts: 393

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If you're creating videos to post on YouTube, I'd recommend that you consider recording in SD. If you record in PAL format you get 576 lines which is only about 150 lines less than the 720 lines you get when playing LBP in HD (80% of the full resolution). Recording in SD also has the advantage that the file size will be much lower. You could fit about 4 hours onto a standard DVD-R (as data files), or create a standard DVD which will play on any DVD player (no Blu-Ray player required). Plus the encoding and uploading times will be much quicker. I have had very good results recording in SD. Check out my YouTube page for some examples - fluxlasers YouTube Channel (http://www.youtube.com/user/fluxlasers) . Please note - the original SD videos are much better quality than the (compressed and with 480 lines) videos on my YouTube page. I use a video camera with a composite video input that converts the analogue signal to a digital signal that I record using my computer, so I don't even need a capture card. I think most video cameras can do this (both of mine do), check out the instruction manual to see if yours can. This option won't cost you any extra money either. The disadvantage for using this method is that you will have to play the game in SD.

2010-11-10 17:47:00 Author: fluxlasers Posts: 182

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Not bad. I don't have a video camera. If I decide to play in SD I'll just get a Dazzle and the few connectors required for it. My problems with playing in SD and why I don't want to is for 2 reasons, 1. It could greatly effect how well I play since I am use to HD clarity, and in extreme platforming perfected play control is required/perfect precision. Playing in HD and suddenly playing in SD to an average player would probably not cause a problem play wise. I've never played LBP in SD. Any slight difference in clarity can have an effect on playing in extremes. Now if I were use to playing SD it'd be different. And if I did play in SD I could probably get use to the change quick I would think. Of course recording in SD doesn't matter if I'm recording other players. And 2. I need the video quality to be perfectly clear (highest quality SD or HD) so people watching can be certain that what they think they are seeing (materials, hazards, sizing, etc) is actually what they are seeing, as some surfaces and other things can be hard to tell in SD in some cases. Anyways, I'll think of something. A Dazzle for SD recording is only around $75 give or take. At least it was a year or so ago. Otherwise I'll have to wait to get HD one. I just wish there was a device out there that records in high quality SD only (no HD and SD since that would have $200 price), but lets you play your game in HD. So on your TV screen it's same as usal with HD, but on your computer the recorded material plays back in high quality SD.

2010-11-10 20:38:00 Author: Hana_Kami Posts: 393

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Ok here's my suggestion if your tv allows it: Just play in standard HDMI signal but direct the output signal via the monitor on the back of your tv (you'll need a red, white and yellow AV cable) into the video capture card. This way you play in HD but record in HQ. Hope this helps.

2010-12-01 16:17:00 Author: LFiers Posts: 161

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My setup for this is using a DVD writer: PS3 > AV SCART > DVD Writer > HDMI cable > TV This allows me to record off the TV whilst playing but with a slight compromise on the graphics and Feed LAG

2010-12-01 23:23:00 Author: AssassinatorRFC Posts: 715

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