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Swastika in LBP2? D:
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| First off, I'd like to say that it took a lot of courage for me to post this. I am afraid it could damage my reputation in the LBP Community and even I honestly don't think that this really is what I'm observing it to be, but I thought the Community should still be alerted of this observation. I don't mean to startup any controversy or rumors, but I am a Reform Jewish American and although I'm not directly offended, I am still...a little bit concerned. I was looking at LBP2 stuff and was going through some fan site kits, when I noticed what appears to be a Gear in a Windmill but of which seems to scarily resemble a Swastika, the symbol that was used by the German Nazi Party. The "New Life" Sticker is Pictured Below in Full Resolution: http://i51.tinypic.com/34pf8ko.png Here it is again, with the controversial part highlighted for those who can't seem to find it. Again, not trying to start-up drama, this may have just been a result of over-examining it: http://i56.tinypic.com/mkc3mv.png I understand LittleBigPlanet is a game for people of all types & ages, and I love that about it. So obviously, no one would think that they did this on purpose...unless it somehow slipped in? I HONESTLY doubt that this was intentional in anyway, but I really felt like this should just be pointed out. Please do not flame me. Thank You for Your Support & Understanding Towards Me Feeling Alarmed. | 2010-11-03 21:54:00 Author: Tap Dat App  Posts: 108 |
| Archaeological evidence of swastika-shaped ornaments dates from the Neolithic period and throughout the Iron Age and Classical Antiquity. It remains widely used in Eastern religions, specifically in Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism a mark made on persons and things to denote good luck. Why do people keep thinking it means evil or asomething wrong anyways... Just because the NAZI used it doesn't mean its a bad symbol in itself. In short, its not a 'bad sign' or that means anything 'evil.' Its a good luck sign, and that's all it should be seen as.  (Seriously people, you keep giving too much credit to Nazis for a lot of stuff...) | 2010-11-03 22:00:00 Author: Silverleon  Posts: 6707 |
| This is the Nazi Swastika: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Nazi_swastika_clean.svg/200px-Nazi_swastika_clean.svg.png While this is a picture of the actual Swastika, a symbol the Nazi's used for their symbol (above). It was originally a sign meaning peace: http://www.1uptravel.com/flag/images/r/rel-kr-b.gif As you can see, the LBP Swastika resembles the second picture more than the first (in terms of the direction of the lines). Although it is pretty obvious to see the inspiration for the picture.. But you have to think about when in time the Neon Propaganda levels are set. In a time where this symbol was seen everywhere. I'm sure they did not mean to harm anyone, it's Mm! Sorry if I somehow offended anyone. This kind of stuff is always a little controversial. | 2010-11-03 22:01:00 Author: Plasmavore  Posts: 1913 |
| While I see what your getting at I don't think it's some sinister plot to put Nazi symbols into the game. What I think it is, is a symbol that resembles the swastika in a few ways but has been altered sufficiently to not represent that symbol. The whole New Life themed stuff seems to pull a lot of style from old propaganda posters from the cold war imo. The group mentality of strength through common work, that sort of vibe. It's not unlike stuff from the former Soviet Union. I think you have to take this as a reference to our history that they're using to imply what kind of world that particular area is. Sort of like in V for Vendetta. The government in that film had logos that were hinting at Nazi war propaganda films and that tells the viewer a little more about the nature of the government without spelling it out in words. It's what logos are meant to do. So ya, I wouldn't sweat it. Why do people keep thinking it means evil or asomething wrong anyways... Just because the NAZI used it doesn't mean its a bad symbol in itself. The symbol itself isn't evil - it's what it was used to represent that is. It's got a lot of meaning for those who were affected by the evil that was Hitler's final solution. So ya, you have to be a little sensitive to people's feelings about it. | 2010-11-03 22:05:00 Author: Morgana25  Posts: 5983 |
| This is the Nazi Swastika: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Nazi_swastika_clean.svg/200px-Nazi_swastika_clean.svg.png While this is a picture of the actual Swastika, a symbol the Nazi's used for their symbol (above). It was originally a sign meaning peace: http://www.1uptravel.com/flag/images/r/rel-kr-b.gif As you can see, the LBP Swastika resembles the second picture more than the first (in terms of the direction of the lines). Although it is pretty obvious to see the inspiration for the picture.. But you have to think about when in time the Neon Propaganda levels are set. In a time where this symbol was seen everywhere. I'm sure they did not mean to harm anyone, it's Mm! Sorry if I somehow offended anyone. This kind of stuff is always a little controversial. Some great points there and I do understand that it is set in a specific time period but LBP History doesn't have to have anything to do with Real World History...especially in the case where someone could possibly become offended. | 2010-11-03 22:06:00 Author: Tap Dat App Posts: 108 |
| Well.. Since the LittleBigPlanet is made up of peoples dreams and thoughts - The Nazis etc would have been what people were thinking about at that time, isn't it? It's all about the theming...  | 2010-11-03 22:08:00 Author: Plasmavore Posts: 1913 |
| To be honest, it looks like a windmill to me. Maybe you're just over thinking it. | 2010-11-03 22:11:00 Author: TheAffected  Posts: 626 |
| First off, I'd like to say that it took a lot of courage for me to post this. I am afraid it could damage my reputation in the LBP Community and even I honestly don't think that this really is what I'm observing it to be, but I thought the Community should still be alerted of this observation. I don't mean to startup any controversy or rumors, but I am a Reform Jewish American and although I'm not directly offended, I am still...a little bit concerned. I was looking at LBP2 stuff and was going through some fan site kits, when I noticed what appears to be a Gear in a Windmill but of which seems to scarily resemble a Swastika, the symbol that was used by the German Nazi Party. The "New Life" Sticker is Pictured Below in Full Resolution: http://i51.tinypic.com/34pf8ko.png Here it is again, with the controversial part highlighted for those who can't seem to find it. Again, not trying to start-up drama, this may have just been a result of over-examining it: http://i56.tinypic.com/mkc3mv.png I understand LittleBigPlanet is a game for people of all types & ages, and I love that about it. So obviously, no one would think that they did this on purpose...unless it somehow slipped in? I HONESTLY doubt that this was intentional in anyway, but I really felt like this should just be pointed out. Please do not flame me. Thank You for Your Support & Understanding Towards Me Feeling Alarmed. And sometimes a cigar's just a cigar, Freud. | 2010-11-03 22:15:00 Author: dxdydz  Posts: 52 |
| Wow... I never made the connection and have seen that image a few times. To be honest, when I first saw the picture it reminded me more of an old Norelco electric razor blade (see below pic) until it was pointed in this thread. I doubt what you are concerned about was what they were going for since they want to sell LBP2 to all countries. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41Wuu187KBL.jpg | 2010-11-03 22:15:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| The swastika is a pretty simple symbol, you can find it in many places if you really search for it. You should be able to tell when it's intended and not, in this case it's not, if you can even call that a swastika... it totally looks like a windmill to me. The ends are barely bent, a swastika has 90? angles... | 2010-11-03 22:16:00 Author: napero7  Posts: 1653 |
| I don't think it looks like a swastika, especially as it has a hole in the middle. I think it looks more like a stylised windmill. Even if you interpret it as a swastika, the context in which it's used is so far remote of Nazi propoganda it's clear that it is not directly printed to offend or relate to the Nazi regime. I'd hate for this sticker to be removed because of this - the message as a whole is very positive, and it's one of my favourite stickers in the game. It saddened me that the first LBP was compromised because of fears of offence about lyrics to an LBP1 song - I wouldn't want LBP2 to go down the same route. | 2010-11-03 22:19:00 Author: Holguin86  Posts: 875 |
| It is not Swastika... this seems far from the Swastika. | 2010-11-04 15:03:00 Author: Cauan-XV  Posts: 491 |
| All the world loved Swastika before WWII (http://www.sharenator.com/All_the_world_loved_Swastika_before_WWII/) | 2010-11-04 15:14:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
| Beyond the discussion of whether or not a symbol of any kind should be considered offensive by it's very existance (to which I have to side with the view that context, usage and intent are the things that should define the appropriateness of a symbol).... I'm not seeing a swastika there. Yes, I can see the shape you are pointing out, but honestly, I think the perceived link with the swastika could well be a manifestation of the viewers' imaginations - remember that while much art uses symbolism and metaphor to convey it's message in subtle ways, it's far from unheard of that audiences project meaning where there is none.... On the side, I love that image, and I do hope that oversensitivity and overactive imaginations don't make it into something ugly that has to be removed  | 2010-11-04 15:19:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| Looks like a pinwheel to me http://i445.photobucket.com/albums/qq175/fenfene/Pinwheel.jpg http://www.runnerduck.com/images/kc_pinwheel.jpg In any case, the swastika is a very natural geometric figure. It is composed of only 6 orthogonal lines in a rotationally symmetric pattern. Many drawings will contain it even though it is not obvious. You can draw it without even realising because it's so simple and basic. It's ridiculous that anyone should complain if it's a coincidental occurance. | 2010-11-05 11:01:00 Author: thor  Posts: 388 |
| While I understand the power of imagery and how painful the swastika can be for some, I think it is a stretch to even project it onto this image. As others have noted, this branching, pinwheel effect is a natural, organic result of many designs and structures. Frankly, my first impression when I look at that windmill structure in the image is a recollection of the old 45 RPM vinyl record inserts (despite the difference in the number of branches): http://www.sleevetown.com/images/45insert.jpg (http://www.sleevetown.com/images/45insert.jpg) (Many here will be too young to even know what these little widgets are for, but for the rest of you... ) | 2010-11-05 13:18:00 Author: v0rtex  Posts: 1878 |
| All the world loved Swastika before WWII (http://www.sharenator.com/All_the_world_loved_Swastika_before_WWII/) Syroc's honorable age of 105 does come useful here I, along with the others, don't think that the pic is something to worry about. Besides, New Life Factory theme has a much more 'soviet' feel in terms of... everything  | 2010-11-05 18:41:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| Given the context: this is meant as a propaganda poster from an evil government portraying itself as the good guys; and the general resemblance, I would say that it was indeed intentional. Obviously Mm isn't about to put a swastika in their game, but they wanted a symbol that would represent the general idea (like what one guy say about Norsefire's symbol in "V for Vendetta.") I saw a similar approach in the comic book "Danger Girl" where the evil empire's symbol was a bent hammer against a red background. As for the actual swastika, I'm of two minds on the issue. On one hand, it's just a symbol that's been around basically forever and has been used by various religions or other organizations and doesn't categorically represent evil (at least I don't think it does--for all I know it could have originally been an evil symbol that others picked up later, but whatever). On the other hand, the most prominent use of the swastika was by the Nazi party which is widely considered to be one of the most evil groups in recorded history, and it's the first thing most people think of when they see a swastika. I also believe the skinheads use the symbol to this day. In that way, it has become a symbol of hatred and atrocities in many people's minds and displaying it can be seen as extremely offensive. So whether you agree that a symbol can be defined as evil, is it more important for one group to be able to freely display it than it is for them to be considerate of the group who are hurt or offended by it? I don't think it is. Having said that, I don't believe there's a problem with using symbols that vaguely resemble the Nazi swastika (such as the one in the lbp2 artwork) to convey the idea that this bright sunshiney government is not what they claim to be. I think this thread is a case of making a mountain of a molehill. | 2010-11-05 19:41:00 Author: Sehven  Posts: 2188 |
| Fiction is full of things like this, they're designed to set the tone of the piece as something like that of the real life event but without using the actual symbol and all the bad press it attracts. | 2010-11-05 20:11:00 Author: Rabid-Coot  Posts: 6728 |
| There's no swastika in the image. The first game got delayed because of a quote from the Quran present in one of the songs. Everyone is looking to be offended. It's childish. | 2010-11-06 05:15:00 Author: Ayneh  Posts: 2454 |
| Hitler... ruining religious symbols and moustaches one war at a time. It's a pinwheel.... next topic please? | 2010-11-06 20:29:00 Author: Rustbukkit  Posts: 1737 |
| Given the context: this is meant as a propaganda poster from an evil government portraying itself as the good guys; and the general resemblance, I would say that it was indeed intentional. Obviously Mm isn't about to put a swastika in their game, but they wanted a symbol that would represent the general idea (like what one guy say about Norsefire's symbol in "V for Vendetta.") I saw a similar approach in the comic book "Danger Girl" where the evil empire's symbol was a bent hammer against a red background. As for the actual swastika, I'm of two minds on the issue. On one hand, it's just a symbol that's been around basically forever and has been used by various religions or other organizations and doesn't categorically represent evil (at least I don't think it does--for all I know it could have originally been an evil symbol that others picked up later, but whatever). On the other hand, the most prominent use of the swastika was by the Nazi party which is widely considered to be one of the most evil groups in recorded history, and it's the first thing most people think of when they see a swastika. I also believe the skinheads use the symbol to this day. In that way, it has become a symbol of hatred and atrocities in many people's minds and displaying it can be seen as extremely offensive. So whether you agree that a symbol can be defined as evil, is it more important for one group to be able to freely display it than it is for them to be considerate of the group who are hurt or offended by it? I don't think it is. Having said that, I don't believe there's a problem with using symbols that vaguely resemble the Nazi swastika (such as the one in the lbp2 artwork) to convey the idea that this bright sunshiney government is not what they claim to be. I think this thread is a case of making a mountain of a molehill. I could not have said it better. The Nazi party used it to make it look like they were the "good guys". Very well put, Sehven! | 2010-11-06 20:49:00 Author: dragonember  Posts: 607 |
| I also thought I should post this image from a promotional poster of the Sonic Costume DLC in LittleBigPlanet. Note Media Molecule said "Charlie Chaplin (in The Great Dictator)"...which is a bit politically correct. They very blatantly therefore meant Hitler, but figured just the name could cause controversy. This is the closest bit of stuff I could find related to this situation in the world of LittleBigPlanet. http://www.littlebigplanet.com/images/assets/shared/uploads/awesome_moustaches_lbp_3.jpg | 2010-11-07 00:12:00 Author: Tap Dat App Posts: 108 |
| Yep... that movie is a direct satire on Hitler, so they are definitely acknowledging him. Weird! Even weirder in that poster is the mention of Ron Jeremy... considering the games intended audience and all. | 2010-11-07 02:17:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737 |
| The 'swastika' quite similar to the japanese kanji symbol meaning temple, or o-te-ra. More of a reverse swastika, and that one's turned on its side. Everyone was surprised in Japanese class too. For the 'charlie chaplin' picture above.... I don't think it's a direct reference to Hitler. More of an accidental one. Charlie Chaplin's moustache would have been that length in the film. | 2010-11-07 06:24:00 Author: tomodon246  Posts: 624 |
| BREAKING DISCOVERY/NEWS: The Official Image in the Game Has Been Changed! Note that the one I posted was from the Fan Kit, which may need an update. I am in the Beta and was going through some level someone made full of story items they grabbed using a glitch, and one of them had this sticker on it. I wanted to examine it so I took it off the object and blew the sticker up really big to see that the Windmill Gear Piece now looks a lot more square/circle-ish. Since this has probably been this way since at least the v1.01 patch, the sticker probably wasn't changed as a result of this thread, but it's possible they realized this problem early on and changed it, as it is the only noticeable change from the Fan Kit Image. Like I had said before, it wasn't too big of a deal. But I'm glad it got changed. And it reduces the risk of any controversy or last-minute recalls. Also, I will try to post pictures from the Beta of its new look later. | 2010-11-08 07:19:00 Author: Tap Dat App Posts: 108 |
| Everyone instantly moans about Hitler, but I bet if there was a Mao Tse-Tung image, you'd get no reactions. | 2010-11-12 11:37:00 Author: Nakatsu Hime Posts: 59 |
| No offense, but this is kind of rediculous. I took me a good five minutes of staring at the picture, and when I gave up, scrolled down, and saw where you pointed it out, I was like "Oh... that..?" It looks nothing like that. | 2010-11-28 03:05:00 Author: littlebigmeteor  Posts: 396 |
| Cut the guy some slack. He admitted he might be over-thinking things. Everyone's a little paranoid every once in a while. | 2010-11-28 03:21:00 Author: Astrosimi  Posts: 2046 |
| square/circle-ish Isn't that a contradiction? | 2010-11-28 03:48:00 Author: iBubek  Posts: 682 |
| I don't see a swastika ,it looks more like mac and cheese to me.http://www.sleevetown.com/images/45insert.jpg http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT3nWpf-qbBuLD4SnZEz39Rf4Mu8iBvvi9uz3LlocpyUY1cpZ4M8g On a more serious note, Just because something doesn't disturb you does not mean it's not disturbing. Besides speech, symbols are the way we communicate with each other so when a symbol is created out of hate it means more than just some squiggly lines. Edit: I completley missed the first page of posts, I thought this "pinwheel" was the offending symbol. | 2010-11-28 03:57:00 Author: KILLA_TODDZILLA  Posts: 653 |
| Well this is just rediculous. No offense, but I think it's just stupid that all the, and I mean ALL the people think that swastika signs point at germans. Sure they used it but so did many other people before and after them. It's not only a GD nazi symbol. | 2010-11-28 11:32:00 Author: FreeAim  Posts: 2462 |
| Well this is just rediculous. No offense, but I think it's just stupid that all the, and I mean ALL the people think that swastika signs point at germans. Sure they used it but so did many other people before and after them. It's not only a GD nazi symbol. In sehven's defense, he did mention that it was used before the Nazi's took it over. Whatever it was used for before the Nazi's took it over has almost no bearing anymore. It's polluted with Negative thoughts and feelings now and forever. Edit: Again, I missed the first page somehow. | 2010-11-28 14:47:00 Author: KILLA_TODDZILLA Posts: 653 |
| The swastika has had some prior history - however, it has been polluted as far as what it means goes. I thought it was nice that TapDatApp pointed this out: if it were released in the full game, it might cause a delay (like the last time, when the lyrics were removed from Tapha Niang), even though it isn't obviously a swastika, but can be seen as one. Anyway, I thank you for bringing this to our attention. It appears Mm has already determined that it could cause controversy, and have taken appropriate action. Hurrah! | 2010-11-28 17:31:00 Author: Richasackboy  Posts: 619 |
| Speaking as someone with jewish blood who had many relatives put to death in Nazi death camps, my view is this. The swastika should be frowned upon only where it is used as a contemporary propaganda tool to promote neo-nazism, but is quite acceptable when used in in films, tv, games, etc. to objectively portray that period of history. I seriously doubt that Mm are trying to start a nazi revival here. | 2010-11-28 18:15:00 Author: Ungreth  Posts: 2130 |
| Interesting tangent to this topic (though still almost on topic)... Swastika banned in user generated content in Black ops (http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/gamesblog/2010/nov/23/call-of-duty-swastika-controversy). | 2010-11-28 18:19:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Speaking as someone with jewish blood who had many relatives put to death in Nazi death camps, my view is this. The swastika should be frowned upon only where it is used as a contemporary propaganda tool to promote neo-nazism, but is quite acceptable when used in in films, tv, games, etc. to objectively portray that period of history. I seriously doubt that Mm are trying to start a nazi revival here. I think to prove themselves, Mm should come out with Hanukkah DLC complete with yamika, Menorah, and a hair piece with peyots.  | 2010-11-28 18:23:00 Author: KILLA_TODDZILLA Posts: 653 |
| I think to prove themselves, Mm should come out with Hanukkah DLC complete with yamika, Menorah, and a hair piece with peyots. ...and hold a community briss where players can have their sackboys ceremonially circumcised? | 2010-11-28 18:55:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130 |
| Ummm... Sure. I'm going to go play "Stiff Pistons" now. | 2010-11-28 19:00:00 Author: Richasackboy Posts: 619 |
| ...and hold a community briss where players can have their sackboys ceremonially circumcised? I'm not exactly sure how to reply to this.. | 2010-11-29 01:06:00 Author: littlebigmeteor Posts: 396 |
| Well, the swatstika was also a buddhist/Hindu symbol for peace, not always nazism. | 2010-11-29 03:06:00 Author: Cysero  Posts: 13 |
| people on this web site are paranoid. | 2010-12-03 02:34:00 Author: rez455  Posts: 113 |
EVERYONE gets paranoid about something. For instance, I'm paranoid about good grammar. (Atleast, MY version of good grammar  ) If I ever became a mod, I would edit everyones post to fix grammar problems. That's why I could never be one. | 2010-12-03 04:47:00 Author: jalr2d2  Posts: 256 |
| theres a very old toffee tin in my shed,its terribly rusted,it was there when we moved in. it has a swastika on it i was amazed when i saw it. its pre WW2 and has nothing to do with the nazi party,i think its dated 1920 - 30,it has a slogan on it but i forgot what it says.ill see if i can find it and take a pic of it and post it. and same as what alot of people are saying,if you look hard enough you can see a swastika in most patterns,well patterns with 90 degree angles lol | 2010-12-04 04:08:00 Author: gigglecrab  Posts: 232 |
| Everyone stop wining about this. You Dont think codwaw is offencive and it has nazi zombies in it. jezz everyone shut up and stop being ofended about everything you see. Or trying to find something to be ofended by. This happened 60 years ago let it go if you wanna start something about one type of people getting wiped off the earth look at the genoside that just happened. that happened not to long ago. Comon people cant you just forget about the past and stick with the curent times. I know you are gonna hate me for what im about to say but if hittler did it right thered only be one countery and thered be no wars, no rasisim, global warming would of been non existant because therd be not as meny people left, also world hunger would of stoped. Im sorry to sound so offencive but I have freedom of speech. And I to would of been non existant right now. So everyone stop wining about something that happened 60 years ago and think about the future, and stop worrying about the past. | 2010-12-04 17:26:00 Author: WESFUN  Posts: 1336 |
| but if hittler did it right thered only be one countery and thered be no wars, no rasisim, global warming would of been non existant because therd be not as meny people left, also world hunger would of stoped. Im sorry to sound so offencive but I have freedom of speech. And I to would of been non existant right now. So everyone stop wining about something that happened 60 years ago and think about the future, and stop worrying about the past. Yeah, everything would be so much better and there would be world peace if Hitler did it "right"... NOT! And how would Hitler be able to stop world hunger and global warming, Hitler wasn't a "god" or some magican. And if I would have been jewish I would find what you just wrote very offensive, I do find it a bit offensive now actually. Do you even have History in school? Do you know how many humans Hitler killed? I don't know about you, but people do have feelings, people do find things offensive. You might not find anything offensive but remember it's not all about what you think. Respect. | 2010-12-04 17:38:00 Author: Alec  Posts: 3871 |
| Yeah, I see a swastika-like object. Yea, the image has now been edited. If only we could have spent that wasted time on editing people's minds... instead of LBP images! Sometimes I think Colbert might have gotten it all wrong, and bears aren't the number one threat to my peaceful existence. Then, I stumble upon threads like this... and see their evil paws and maws at work weaving deep within the seams... No Country seems safe. No Border, 'No Quarter'. (Which is also an excellent song!) :hrmf:Ah well, onto the next 'made-up imaginary crisis'. | 2010-12-04 18:00:00 Author: Gravel  Posts: 1308 |
| Yeah, everything would be so much better and there would be world peace if Hitler did it "right"... NOT! And how would Hitler be able to stop world hunger and global warming, Hitler wasn't a "god" or some magican. And if I would have been jewish I would find what you just wrote very offensive, I do find it a bit offensive now actually. Do you even have History in school? Do you know how many humans Hitler killed? I don't know about you, but people do have feelings, people do find things offensive. You might not find anything offensive but remember it's not all about what you think. Respect. Yes I know how meny people died during that time but still I would of been dead aswell because my great gradparents are Jews. good thing they came to Canada and escaped hittler. Also ur saying hitler wouldnt stop world hunger and global warming he would of because thered only be 1 countery so therd be less people in the world. I mean a lot less people right now therd be only 1 billion people right now. And saying hitler wasnt a god. well back in the 1940's people worshiped him like one. Im sorry to sound offence again but that was the trouth and my great grand parents were jews! | 2010-12-04 23:09:00 Author: WESFUN Posts: 1336 |
| Yes I know how meny people died during that time but still I would of been dead aswell because my great gradparents are Jews. good thing they came to Canada and escaped hittler. Also ur saying hitler wouldnt stop world hunger and global warming he would of because thered only be 1 countery so therd be less people in the world. I mean a lot less people right now therd be only 1 billion people right now. And saying hitler wasnt a god. well back in the 1940's people worshiped him like one. Im sorry to sound offence again but that was the trouth and my great grand parents were jews! Dude! So your saying all we need to do to stop global warming and world hunger is by killing people? Why didn't anyone ever think of that? Also. If I worship a leaf like a god does that make it a god. NO! You almost sound like you like Hitlers' plans.  Your getting off topic. You need to think of people who might have had close family die in this horrible war!  Try thinking about someone else for a change. | 2010-12-05 04:10:00 Author: jalr2d2 Posts: 256 |
| I honestly think WESFUN is: a. Trolling b. Intoxicated c. devoid of logic d. All of the above? I mean, I would REALLY like to debate this (I cannot emphasize that enough. Honestly, I am biting my tongue right now), but in the end I'd either be feeding a troll or just making myself feel better, and in both cases just facilitating the derailment of a thread. HOWEVER, I do see what you were trying to say. I agree this was a case of over-paranoia, but there's a reason why people are so sensitive about this. The things Hitler did resonate deeply with MANY people (Apparently not you though ), even those not of Jewish descent (Honestly, talk this over with your grandparents or parents, they'll do my job for me!). I, for one, don't cringe whenever I see a swastika in film. I certainly don't make a big deal when geometry concedes to form it. But people are not insane to not show concern. In fact, if we were all as insensitive as you'd like us to be... probably, we'd end up like you | 2010-12-05 04:56:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046 |
| dun dun dunnnnnn | 2010-12-05 05:12:00 Author: Distinct-Creator  Posts: 198 |
| Everyone stop wining about this. You Dont think codwaw is offencive and it has nazi zombies in it. That's because Nazi Zombies aren't real. Hitler's reign of real life tyrannical terror, torture, and death(?) ... totally was. Obviously the symbol in question isn't a swastika... but your comparison and reasoning is so far left field that your ball has just rolled onto that busy freeway. Quick... why don't you run over there and grab it! jezz everyone shut up and stop being ofended about everything you see. Or trying to find something to be ofended by. This happened 60 years ago let it go if you wanna start something about one type of people getting wiped off the earth look at the genoside that just happened. Which one specifically? Heck.. why just pick a recent one? There have been many... and most of them unheard of. I see your point and agree that this one alone has gotten far too much attention. We need to start focusing on smaller (or even as you suggest)... more "modern" genocides. Clearly that whole WWII thing is dated and "out of fashion" as far as heinous acts of insanity and atrocities towards specific groups of innocent people go. We should move on to something a little more chic... a little more... "now". Nes't pas? (you actually almost had a great point you were making there for a minute, but then you went on to suggest we focus on a different genocide altogether... as if that might be more appropriate, less offensive or relevant, or... actually, I don't really know where you were going with that?)that happened not to long ago. Comon people cant you just forget about the past and stick with the curent times. I know you are gonna hate me for what im about to say Probably. but if hittler did it right Hang on a second... I want to bold and highlight this bit before you go on, so that you can fully understand and appreciate my final response to you in this thread but if hittler did it right thered only be one countery and thered be no wars, no rasisim, global warming would of been non existant because therd be not as meny people left, also world hunger would of stoped. If Hitler did it right? If Hitler "DID IT RIGHT!?" You gotta' be #&$^#^@&^$ KIDDING ME!!! Are you always this ignorant... or are you making a special effort today? There WAS no "right" about anything in his sick plan. I'd love to sit here and get your twisted take on what he did "wrong" in achievng his goals, but instead I'll just point out the more obvious flaws in your statement. Where in history is it clearly detailed that Hitler's goal was to erradicate war, racism, global warming (the hell are you bringing that into the conversation for?), over-population (which didn't even exist then either), world hunger? Hitler was a war "starter"... whomever convinced you he was anything otherwise clearly has marked you as an easy target. Hitler was a racist... I'm pretty sure once he wiped out all the Jews, blacks, homosexuals, and everyone else on his list.. he would have eventually found someone else to start hating and have his army start murdering. Trying to somehow link global warming or world hunger to Hitler's bent and failed attempts at world domination and hatred is quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard anyone say in my lifetime. The next time something that dumb falls out of your mouth, the proper etiquette is to apologise, pick it up, and put it back in your mouth and continue chewing on it until it's been processed enough for the rest of us to actually swallow. Trust me... the "3-second rule" doesn't apply here. Right now you sound like someone who's been brought up in a swamp that's never had a single run in with a television, radio, newpaper, history book, or education system that doesn't consist of a one-room-school house who's only teacher is a seven toe'd inbred mutant with hair for teeth and thier still-born siamese twin hanging lifelessly from thier waist. Good lord... just where do you get these idea's from anyways? There is absolutely no proof to back up these twisted and fantastical claims you make. You're time machine that you used to jump around and see how awesome Hitler's future world ended up, is clearly broken... or you've accidentally set the target time to "Duh", instead of 2010. Im sorry to sound so offencive I don't think you have the cognitive functions for sorrow or remorse, given the nature of your dialogue throughout this entire thread but I have freedom of speech. Yes, how very unfortunate. It just goes to show that there should be exceptions to every rule. I'd equate freedom of speech to driving... one should be able to prove they are competent and capable of acting responsibly before being handed a license. And I to would of been non existant right now. So everyone stop wining about something that happened 60 years ago and think about the future, and stop worrying about the past. Yes I know how meny people died during that time but still I would of been dead aswell because my great gradparents are Jews. Dead... or unborn? There's a big difference. good thing they came to Canada and escaped hittler. Also ur saying hitler wouldnt stop world hunger and global warming he would of because thered only be 1 countery so therd be less people in the world. BZZZZT!!! WRONG!! We don't actually know how history would have played out, because you set your time machine to "Duh", or it's broken... remember? I mean a lot less people right now therd be only 1 billion people right now. You're calculator is clearly broken as well... did it come with your time machine? And saying hitler wasnt a god. well back in the 1940's people worshiped him like one. Yes, and they also believed that heavy doses of shock treatment would cure depression and mentally ill people, drove motor vehicles without seat belts, and wore these at night to make themselves prettier. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2ahB8jkZR9M/TGb2p_8V9iI/AAAAAAAAGK8/XZivntRHGsE/s1600/s640x480+(1).jpg You aren't helping your case much. Im sorry to sound offence again but that was the trouth and my great grand parents were jews! Please, just... stop talking altogether. I'd like people to still believe that we Canadians are friendly, common sense-oriented, intellectual people of the world. Right now, you... are... RUINING it for us!! No really, right now you are doing for Canadians what Rick Mercer's "Talking To Americans" did for them. Please, for the love of whatever deity it is you pray to... just stop. I also live in Ontario, and I seriously just googled where you live in proximity to me to see if my village idiot is in any danger of you escaping your village and coming into contact with him and somehow making him dumber just by standing next to him. If you want to debate something, then try to have more facts and less fiction involved in the conversation. More facts = less friction. And no... it's not a Swastika... it's still just a pin-wheel. | 2010-12-05 08:09:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737 |
| This has gone sufficiently off topic. Locked. | 2010-12-05 13:44:00 Author: comphermc  Posts: 5338 |
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