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LBP is Dead? :(

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I dont understand lbp is takeing a new turn for the worst. Now with its latest update almost any person can put there levels in the cool level section and now the cool level section is blastered with a bunch of crappy noob levels and that gets me mad because now its gonna be harder for actual good level creators to get there levels popular. I don't understand why MM is doing this over all they should make it easier on the good creator to get popular not the bad. LBP is filled with more amature cretors then good. So my question is, how can this work for lbp and its actual well rounded creators?2010-10-28 05:29:00

Author:
Henred
Posts: 123


they should make it easier on the good creator to get popular not the bad.

My question is how does MM achieve that? By looking at the rating from the community (Lots of nooby levels have high ratings) or by playing each of the 3 million levels?

If you want to find good levels go Here (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/content.php?221-creator-spotlights) or Here (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?40-Level-Showcase).
2010-10-28 05:42:00

Author:
TheAffected
Posts: 626


I dont know how but alot of the levels i saw yesterday on the cool level and busy section weren't there anymore. It worries me because I'm publishing a great level soon but I'm afraid that its gonna be over shadowed by a bunch of noob levels. At the very least MM should abolish copyability. It worries me very much because what I saw today was an utter blow in my face and I knew know theres no chance to get myself noticed and noobs takeing full control. I just cant bare that idea I'm am so upset and I am fully aware of the level show case I just want LBP to go back 2 normal or just make the situation better.2010-10-28 05:54:00

Author:
Henred
Posts: 123


That's what LittleBigPlanet Central is for! You post your level up and many people will play your level(s)! No need to be on Cool Pages, as long as you have true plays 2010-10-28 07:06:00

Author:
Unknown User


A - Coool pages not aving good levels IS normal... :S

B - As long as you can't think of a solution for the problem, I don't se how you can expect tomsomeone magically think and implement a feature to fix everything.
If you yourself don't know what you're asking for, how can you expect others to?

C - Not trying to be mean, but how can you be so sure your level would've made it to cool pages anyways?
Even if it was pefect system and actually good players controlled it, how do you know that wouldn't only show waaaay superior creators only?
You may think your levels are good, but I'm pretty sure there are plenty extremely incredible talented creators out there that would over shadow a lot of people easly.

In short, you're pretty much asking of a system that'd only guarantee your levels in cool pages?

My advice, forget cool pages, m8!

There's no such thing as a perfect system that will only show amazing levels.
(At least not one that can be easly made/ maintanied. )

So just publish it and try your luck in the community, we folks at LBPC will be sure to support all of its members as much as possible, wether its by helping build the level to give feedback to help you make your level better!
2010-10-28 07:10:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707


I never said for sure my levels wil be in the cool pages I just said it will be harder for good level creators to get exposure dont be so sublime. I never said that besides I just see it unfair that people that dont even work hard on there levels are getting better advantages and apprciation for some resason. I dont care about the cool pages I just care the stuff thats in it now it was better before today. But thank you anyway.2010-10-28 08:29:00

Author:
Henred
Posts: 123


"the cool level section is blastered with a bunch of crappy noob levels and that gets me mad because now its gonna be harder for actual good level creators to get there levels popular."
Are you talking about before or after the new system? Because, c'mon, the cool pages never shown any cool levels to begin with.

"I dont understand lbp is takeing a new turn for the worst. Now with its latest update almost any person can put there levels in the cool level section"
Thats how it works in LBP2. New published levels hit the cool levels list almost instantly (keep in mind being a beta with limited people, so I don't know how the full LBP2 game will handle it). No longer it's about fighting to reach the top spot, if your level is great, it will take top spot and remain there for how popular it is. No more cool page dominates.

"I don't understand why MM is doing this over all they should make it easier on the good creator to get popular not the bad."
They can't, you just answered your own question too (see next question). Either they take my idea of temporary (permanently for multiple offenders) stunting bad creators from getting their levels noticed, but I don't think people agree with the idea so much.

"LBP is filled with more amature cretors then good. So my question is, how can this work for lbp and its actual well rounded creators?"
That is the problem, not enough good creators out there to push content, at the same time everybody wants their levels noticed, fair enough. The new system should deliver this.

Also at people saying visit LBPC showcase to get good levels to play.. thats is so unnecessary. I go to LBP to find and play levels, not LBPC then LBP. I never play any of the levels shown here UNLESS they have a LBP.me link.
2010-10-28 11:45:00

Author:
PPp_Killer
Posts: 449


I NEVER look on the cool pages for levels any more - nor, I dare to say it, do many other people. That's what the Community and Creator Spotlights are for. Once you publish a level and make a thread on the level showcase, there's a chance it could be spotlighted, which will get you the type of exposure you want.2010-10-28 14:45:00

Author:
Holguin86
Posts: 875


i think mm should make a search page with survivals and one with the other levels,and if u want 2 play a survival go to the survivals pages and if u prefeir another kind of lvls go 2 the other.2010-10-28 15:15:00

Author:
xkjz3l
Posts: 113


i think mm should make a search page with survivals and one with the other levels,and if u want 2 play a survival go to the survivals pages and if u prefeir another kind of lvls go 2 the other.

That kind of thing will be possible in LBP2, but unfortunately LBP1 doesn't request information like that from the creators when they publish a level. In LBP2 you have to put your level down as a versus, movie or standard level, give it tags based on its gameplay and all sorts of other things like that. In LBP1, levels can't be split up based on gameplay - only search text can pick out specific types of level for you to play.
2010-10-28 15:32:00

Author:
Holguin86
Posts: 875


Now with its latest update almost any person can put there levels in the cool level section and now the cool level section is blastered with a bunch of crappy noob levels and that gets me mad because now its gonna be harder for actual good level creators to get there levels popular.

But, hasn't the cool levels pages been already full of bad levels in the past? >__>
2010-10-28 18:10:00

Author:
Ragnarok
Posts: 898


It's not pinin'! It's passed on! This LBP is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet it's maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed it to the perch it would be pushing up the daisies! It's metabolic processes are now 'istory! It's off the twig! It's kicked the bucket, It's shuffled off it's mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!

THIS IS AN EX-LBP!!
2010-10-28 18:56:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130


It's not pinin'! It's passed on! This LBP is no more! It has ceased to be! It's expired and gone to meet it's maker! It's a stiff! Bereft of life, it rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed it to the perch it would be pushing up the daisies! It's metabolic processes are now 'istory! It's off the twig! It's kicked the bucket, It's shuffled off it's mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisibile!!

THIS IS AN EX-LBP!!

... for a second, I was going to take you seriously.

@Henred- You shouldn't generalize LBP by just looking at the 1st page. It's like a book: you can't judge it by it's cover.

LBP isn't dead yet- not by a longshot. Sure, we've got half of the community in LBP2 Beta now (one-half I wasn't invited to), and sure, we're not getting our prescribed dosage of annoying jump levels and repetitive bomb survivals, and sure, we've got pictures of creepy emo people and scantily-clothed folk appearing on every single level description, and sure, we're now seeing different levels by other random people hogging the spotlight now...

But then again, all of those people probably got in the Beta. So that's probably why the community right now isn't as active as once before. But they'll be back... mark my words, they'll be back... *sigh* I really hope they don't come back.
2010-10-28 21:19:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757


http://ts2.mm.bing.net/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=253846292509&id=3f3e6c7c4cf13ce4a574eef3af2e2b6a2010-10-28 21:34:00

Author:
Unknown User


lol nice hip hop is dead.2010-10-28 22:52:00

Author:
Henred
Posts: 123


People say there hasnt even or ever been good levels in the cool section and when I go to the cool section I play the good levels not the survival levels, you rarely see story or anything creative in the cool level section but dont be so sublime there are some good levels in the cool level section. What worries me is that now theres alot more of snoozy levels but watever Its like no one cares people just say the same old thing or just like to crtizize me.2010-10-28 22:55:00

Author:
Henred
Posts: 123


... for a second, I was going to take you seriously.

@Henred- You shouldn't generalize LBP by just looking at the 1st page. It's like a book: you can't judge it by it's cover.

LBP isn't dead yet- not by a longshot. Sure, we've got half of the community in LBP2 Beta now (one-half I wasn't invited to), and sure, we're not getting our prescribed dosage of annoying jump levels and repetitive bomb survivals, and sure, we've got pictures of creepy emo people and scantily-clothed folk appearing on every single level description, and sure, we're now seeing different levels by other random people hogging the spotlight now...

Uh, what? Random people? We don't pluck spotlight levels out at random, we choose the cream of the crop!

A while ago we were criticised for only including the "good creators", which wasn't true either.

2010-10-29 00:42:00

Author:
Holguin86
Posts: 875


People say there hasnt even or ever been good levels in the cool section and when I go to the cool section I play the good levels not the survival levels, you rarely see story or anything creative in the cool level section but dont be so sublime there are some good levels in the cool level section. What worries me is that now theres alot more of snoozy levels but watever Its like no one cares people just say the same old thing or just like to crtizize me.

More of a critic is just some kind of opinion, but whatever, I'm actually aware that cool pages weren't always that bad, on the beginning there used to be some nice levels (and my first online level, a shadow of the colossus one where you fight a giant horse, which in my opinion and up to date is amazing!), but then most of the levels just got stuck there absorbing plays and hearts (RAMP, Dino Island 1, 2, 3 etc......), so Mm fixed the system to allow levels to be there for a small time, what I see on the cool level pages is nothing more but a reflection of the community, a bunch of people that like cheap levels (sad, but its true, otherwise bomb/shark survivals and all those lousy levels wouldn't be too popular).
2010-10-29 01:58:00

Author:
Ragnarok
Posts: 898


This thread appears every 2 months I swear.

Cool levels pages ALWAYS been like that and they won't be any update to save it. Deal with it people. Don't worry be happy.
2010-10-29 04:53:00

Author:
RangerZero
Posts: 3901


Uh, what? Random people? We don't pluck spotlight levels out at random, we choose the cream of the crop!

A while ago we were criticised for only including the "good creators", which wasn't true either.



Psst, I think he meant "hogging the spotlight" as "being the center of attention," you know?
In its non-LBPC-spotlight related definition.
2010-10-29 07:17:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707


Lol, well you never know ... I was half asleep when I wrote that. 2010-10-29 12:39:00

Author:
Holguin86
Posts: 875


Back when i started playing.. Around the time the mgs pack was released.. There were alot of good levels on cool page.. Dino island for example.... And even after that there was actually alot of good levels..Or atleast worth while... But there are several ways to redeem or improve the cool pages.

* reImplement republishing trick to give good users a change to fight back ! It won't get any worse anyways when 1 or 2 spammers can controll the entire first page with copied levels... yuck...

" Have rated raters.. You need to compleate the game, ace atleast 80 percent of the level get collect all on atleast 80 percent of the levels and you need atleast 1 level published ( With 3 million users only 3 million levels which means that the majority of buyeres have no levels since most who have got several levels).. This means that people who are better at the game, and can see if a level is copied or not and so... Would be able to give them the 1 star it deserves and voila !!! The cool pages become way better instantly !

* Stop restarts counting as plays to get more adventure levels(Wih most people, allthough loving it only plays twice or so)

* Have an edditors choice page instead of a cool page at the start... Were MM gets to select any levels they want from fan sites and give the a guarranteed spot there for 2 weeks ! Then people will start to give their levels better quallity so they can get 100 000+ plays !
2010-10-29 14:29:00

Author:
Unknown User


Back when i started playing.. Around the time the mgs pack was released.. There were alot of good levels on cool page.. Dino island for example.... And even after that there was actually alot of good levels..Or atleast worth while... But there are several ways to redeem or improve the cool pages.

* reImplement republishing trick to give good users a change to fight back ! It won't get any worse anyways when 1 or 2 spammers can controll the entire first page with copied levels... yuck...
That may actually just give spammers an extra edge on the cool pages actually...
Remember, that if they do that, ALL will be able too, not just your specification of "elite" players you speak so much of.

" Have rated raters.. You need to compleate the game, ace atleast 80 percent of the level get collect all on atleast 80 percent of the levels and you need atleast 1 level published ( With 3 million users only 3 million levels which means that the majority of buyeres have no levels since most who have got several levels).. This means that people who are better at the game, and can see if a level is copied or not and so... Would be able to give them the 1 star it deserves and voila !!! The cool pages become way better instantly !
You make it seem as if being able to ace story levels and find items in them makes you instantly a good creator, and obviously spammers/ H4H-ers and such WILL have one at least one level published, as that's why they're dominating the cool pages, don't you think?


* Stop restarts counting as plays to get more adventure levels(Wih most people, allthough loving it only plays twice or so)
Well, to be fair, it does say only "Plays," not "Plays per person," the main point being to show how much people like that level for how many play it howevermany times.
A separate counter tho, to show how many people have played it tho, may not be such a bad Idea actually...

* Have an edditors choice page instead of a cool page at the start... Were MM gets to select any levels they want from fan sites and give the a guarranteed spot there for 2 weeks ! Then people will start to give their levels better quallity so they can get 100 000+ plays !
I'm pretty sure people have suggested similar things to this before, on all the response being negative, since Mm is a company working on various stuff, too busycreating those hundreads of add ons LBP has (and LBP2 will have.) to be checking all fansites to hand pick dozens (hundreads?) of levels to place on that special area.

Also, you say this "so they can have +100,000 plays, yet you want to modify the counter so it only counts each play ones?
Contraddicting, no? XD


Remember m8, that just because they're H4H-ers, doesn't automatically make them horrible players/ creators.
I've seen many great creators that obviously wouldn't need H4H at all, because of how good their levels are, but still do so for some reason.
As well as many not so good creators that refuse to participate in H4H because they choose not to, and try to earn tose hearts on their own.

So don't think everyone's the same because of a classificcation they're put on dude, you'll be surprised.
2010-10-29 20:03:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707


Seems this new update has taken care of the spammers.
It also seems now, EVERYONE has a chance to get plays. Which is awesome! This new LBP will be for the best in the long run. Just make a real "cool" level and it will surely get plays now.
2010-10-30 17:33:00

Author:
fijski8
Posts: 159


sub?lime   
[suh-blahym]
?adjective
1. elevated or lofty in thought, language, etc.: Paradise Lost is sublime poetry.
2. impressing the mind with a sense of grandeur or power; inspiring awe, veneration, etc.: Switzerland has sublime scenery.
3. supreme or outstanding: a sublime dinner.
4. complete; absolute; utter: sublime stupidity.
5. Archaic .
a. of lofty bearing.
b. haughty.
6. Archaic . raised high; high up.

Hmm, not sure if the correct usage has been put in play... I think this is a far more pressing matter than that of "cool levels".

And honestly, if you don't like it, don't use it. With Mm picks, you can EASILY find really good levels. And if you are so concerned, just search the community.
2010-11-02 06:15:00

Author:
Fading-Dream
Posts: 164


No matter how many good levels we create, the marjority of players will stick with the bomb survivals/shark survivals/100 free prizes/destroy the city type levels. The taste of the masses is inveritably crappy, in whatever media form you apply it too.2010-11-02 07:00:00

Author:
booXely
Posts: 654


Well...We could allways form a pact, get one of our levels to 1st cool page by hearting/playng/tagging/rating it good...And then trough keys get all of our levels to the first cool page...

Or we could simply upload offensive pictures on crappy levels trough psEYE and then good grief em with a diffrent account ^^
2010-11-02 09:44:00

Author:
Unknown User


simply upload offensive pictures on crappy levels trough psEYE and then good grief em with a diffrent account ^^

That is a bad idea for two reasons. One, the most common moderation would be removal of the images. Two, you will get YOUR accounts banned if MM finds out it was you, abusing the moderation system.
2010-11-02 09:50:00

Author:
TheAffected
Posts: 626


MM knows how bad it is. Back in the happy day the sun would be shining with great levels to play and have fun!everyone had known what you can do in lbp. But then that huge dam keeping out the trolls and noobs sprang a leak and the noobs piled in with there levels and tore down the dam. now MM could of fixed it by now but they didn't. The trolls then copied the noobs levels and then slowly covered up the happy sun.



can i have some xp for that post!
2010-11-02 15:29:00

Author:
deschuttes2
Posts: 157


No matter how many good levels we create, the marjority of players will stick with the bomb survivals/shark survivals/100 free prizes/destroy the city type levels. The taste of the masses is inveritably crappy, in whatever media form you apply it too.

And that's the thing. The problem, for the most part, is the AUDIENCE, not the system.

If Mm made a "Mature LittleBigPlanet" where the audience is made of adults who are mature enough to know that bomb survivals are fail, bomb survivals would be no more! :arg:
2010-11-02 18:41:00

Author:
crazymario
Posts: 657


Yeah, back when I got it (January last year I think), it was pretty much just levels with lots of hearts - good ones. It was still broken though, because they wouldn't go away. The update was made so others could have a chance, but it didn't exactly work.

Yeah, don't give the Cool Pages any form of notice, come here for all your levellin' needs

Also, by mid-late 2011, LBP1 will be pretty dead methinks. Everyone will have migrated to LBP2
2010-11-02 19:28:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893


good thing they added Mm pick 2010-11-02 20:30:00

Author:
Sabooza
Posts: 68


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