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Pit bull's , Vicious or Loving

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i think these dogs have been given a bad rep by there selfish owners who just train them for fighting , the dogs shouldn't suffer by being put down because there owners neglected them. but many people say that no matter if the dog is with a loving home it still would attack . i dint think that is true .

i would love to own one because i love them kinda dogs its like a mini boxer (hmmm) but here in England its illegal to own one they get put down in the UK , but its not the dogs fault?


Vicious :
http://www.vnovember.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/pitbull.jpg
http://noticiasdegaia.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/pitbull.jpg

Loving :
http://www.thedailytail.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/dolly-the-pit-bull.jpg
http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/pitbull.jpg
EDIT: changed last pic to a better one

what do you think , Love it or Hate it ?
2010-10-20 15:00:00

Author:
howMUCHforBOUNTY
Posts: 623


vicious...

They are only ever been bred to fight. I believe it is very foolish for you to ever want to even consider wanting to own one of these, They will bite anyone or anything and are unpredictable.

Their noses are bred to breathe whilst biting, unlike some other dogs. as well as a full on bite (notice the size and shape of the mouth)

Btw the last photo has been clearly photoshopped, they never will be loving to anyone else but it's owner.
2010-10-20 15:43:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777


Well.. a buddy of mine raised them for years and always treated them better than most dogs. They were just like family and always nice as can be until one day one of them turned on him and tragically killed him. Nobody knows quite why either. I had been around them for years as well well as with other friends that had them (mostly pups from my one friends dogs) and never thought a thing about it till that happened. 2010-10-20 15:44:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383


Well.. a buddy of mine raised them for years and always treated them better than most dogs. They were just like family and always nice as can be until one day one of them turned on him and tragically killed him. Nobody knows quite why either. I had been around them for years as well well as with other friends that had them (mostly pups from my one friends dogs) and never thought a thing about it till that happened.

sorry about your bud

im not defending the pitbull but a lot of other dogs have been known to kill not just the pitbull any dog can turn on you , its just the pitbull has a rep for it so there for the other dogs are over looked

Boxer dogs
Rottweiler
Doberman
English bull terrier

some of them dogs can be more vicious than the pitbull
2010-10-20 15:58:00

Author:
howMUCHforBOUNTY
Posts: 623


They were just like family and always nice as can be until one day one of them turned on him and tragically killed him.

This is the reason why pitbulls have a bad name. This story is not uncommon at all, the pitbull that is perfectly loving and then suddenly, for no reason, mauls it's owner. Your OP suggests it's only abused animals that exhibit this behaviour, but that's simply not the case. Yes, it also happens with other dogs, many of whom also have reputations because of it. As Pattington Bear says, these animals were bred for killing, it's instilled in their very nature. I don't really get what you're trying to prove with this thread. Is it possible for a pitbull to be affectionate and never hurt anyone... of course. But no matter what you do, you'll have no guarantees.


More importantly, kitties are win ^^
2010-10-20 16:11:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497


Well, perhaps it might be easier if you start with a puppy and raise him until he grows up. But as Jwwphotos said, if friend had been raising them for years when one of them suddenly attacked him for no apparent reason, then I guess it's not that simple :/

The Labrador retriever, on the other hand, is said to be very friendly.

http://francais.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2337513/2/istockphoto_2337513-labrador-retriever-cream-puppy.jpg

Aww...
2010-10-20 16:16:00

Author:
Oddmania
Posts: 1305


Loving

i'll love them
but if they do somthing to me then i do somthing to them
2010-10-20 16:17:00

Author:
Unknown User


Loving

i'll love them
but if they do somthing to me then i do somthing to them
What? give them a tooth ache?
2010-10-20 17:44:00

Author:
lifeiscrapislife
Posts: 396


I've had friends with Pit Bulls and they can be the most loving sweethearts too.

How they are bred, raised and trained makes all the difference in the world.
2010-10-20 17:54:00

Author:
Morgana25
Posts: 5983


Both.

They're loving but if you stop loving them for a minute, they'll go for your jugular.


2010-10-20 18:11:00

Author:
trip090
Posts: 1562


Well, perhaps it might be easier if you start with a puppy and raise him until he grows up. But as Jwwphotos said, if friend had been raising them for years when one of them suddenly attacked him for no apparent reason, then I guess it's not that simple :/

The Labrador retriever, on the other hand, is said to be very friendly.

http://francais.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/2337513/2/istockphoto_2337513-labrador-retriever-cream-puppy.jpg

Aww...

Off topic, but Labs are so darn cute and good.

@howMUCHforBounty .. really appreciate the sympathies. It was a long time ago, but it was pretty freaky for sure..
2010-10-20 18:17:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383


>: No dog is naturally vicious, its just how people treat and train them. Yo Dawg I heard you like walking dogs, So I got a dog for your dawg so you can walk while you walk.2010-10-20 18:58:00

Author:
Bradlee
Posts: 96


What? give them a tooth ache?

depends
it can ebba hit with a boot to a neck snap
i only neck snap it if it seriouse hurts me (flesh wound)
2010-10-20 19:50:00

Author:
Unknown User


depends
it can ebba hit with a boot to a neck snap
i only neck snap it if it seriouse hurts me (flesh wound)

Once a pit ball bites, it will never let go, they are the only dog that can breathe while mauling. it will do more damage before you could react, that's the realism.
2010-10-20 20:35:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777


Once a pit ball bites, it will never let go, they are the only dog that can breathe while mauling. it will do more damage before you could react, that's the realism.

then ill fight with a broken arm

never give up
2010-10-20 20:41:00

Author:
Unknown User


then ill fight with a broken arm

never give up

Good... because they won't either. It's incredible to see them bite something and hang on. Like small land sharks.
2010-10-20 20:57:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383


no matter what they wont let go they can lock there jaw so it dont open o_O2010-10-21 00:18:00

Author:
howMUCHforBOUNTY
Posts: 623


This thread devolved into ridiculousness. Pattington_Bear is dead bent on making these dogs look like the spawn of Satan, and Hybrid is trying to simultaneously pass himself off as some unbeatable "bad mo'fo".

Regarding the topic... I don't know. Honestly, I cannot provide any sort of opinion on this; I have never seen a pitbull, and they are illegal here in South Florida. Nonetheless, I have a hard time believing that we humans could have possibly ingrained violence into the mind of a living species. Maybe I am wrong, but I've yet to see definitive proof. It's not always improtant of course, but in such cases like in this thread where have two people, one saying "x is true" and the other saying "y is true" and x does not equal y, then one side needs to provide statistics and research.
2010-10-21 00:46:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046


well i once had one of my neighbors sic his dog on me (german shepard).
one very important thing to know when fighting dogs.
kick them in the gut. they are very soft there. they will stop fighting.

also, i own two pits myself. (rescued from a situation that would definitely lead to violence)
the female does get feisty sometimes... but like all canines gripping the back of the neck and making her submit, reminds her who the alpha is.
anymore i dont even have to raise my voice at her.
the male is a total push over and wont even play rough if you try to get him too.
he'd rather you just rubbed his belly instead.
2010-10-21 01:02:00

Author:
Deftmute
Posts: 730


It's not fair to judge the pitbull on how it acts when the owner of the dog is at much fault. They are actually sweet dogs in the hands of the right person.2010-10-21 01:10:00

Author:
siberian_ninja15
Posts: 444


whoa whoa whoa... pit bulls are illegal in certain places? wtf? my grandpa has a pitbull, besides being a bit territorial with other girl dogs, she is the sweetest pooch! she never hurt my grandma ever, and always is nice to anybody... why would some people be so biased?

2010-10-21 04:54:00

Author:
theswweet
Posts: 2468


sorry for the double post, but heres a few pictures i just took of her... my grandpa stays with us every other week.

while you look at them think... would this dog want to hurt you?
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2010-10-21 05:05:00

Author:
theswweet
Posts: 2468


Wow.

There was a study done on this very topic, the result? Pitbulls are actually nicer than most dogs, the reason why you think they are vicious is because all you ever see of them is the dog fights. It's not "in their DNA". They are more dangerous because they are relatively stronger than most but they are also less likely to attack.
2010-10-21 05:31:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800


THANK YOU!!! some common sense finally!2010-10-21 05:40:00

Author:
theswweet
Posts: 2468


Vicious in the wrong hands. The reasons behind getting one are an enigma I will never understand. They make you look like a gang member.

They can be loving, but rarely show this side to me.

I have a black Labrador, and they are the absolute best dogs.
2010-10-21 05:57:00

Author:
tomodon246
Posts: 624


This thread devolved into ridiculousness. Pattington_Bear is dead bent on making these dogs look like the spawn of Satan, and Hybrid is trying to simultaneously pass himself off as some unbeatable "bad mo'fo".

Regarding the topic... I don't know. Honestly, I cannot provide any sort of opinion on this; I have never seen a pitbull, and they are illegal here in South Florida. Nonetheless, I have a hard time believing that we humans could have possibly ingrained violence into the mind of a living species. Maybe I am wrong, but I've yet to see definitive proof. It's not always improtant of course, but in such cases like in this thread where have two people, one saying "x is true" and the other saying "y is true" and x does not equal y, then one side needs to provide statistics and research.

is Self Defence a problem?
2010-10-21 07:20:00

Author:
Unknown User


This thread devolved into ridiculousness. Pattington_Bear is dead bent on making these dogs look like the spawn of Satan, and Hybrid is trying to simultaneously pass himself off as some unbeatable "bad mo'fo".

Regarding the topic... I don't know. Honestly, I cannot provide any sort of opinion on this; I have never seen a pitbull, and they are illegal here in South Florida. Nonetheless, I have a hard time believing that we humans could have possibly ingrained violence into the mind of a living species. Maybe I am wrong, but I've yet to see definitive proof. It's not always improtant of course, but in such cases like in this thread where have two people, one saying "x is true" and the other saying "y is true" and x does not equal y, then one side needs to provide statistics and research.


Do you want to know why?

My dog was attacked by a pit bull when she was only 1 year old, lucky the damage wasn't considerable my dad managed to pick her up, so my dog was okay just shaken up, we never found the owners.

it's okay now she's 8.


Also my friend was attacked in a gang related mugging.


Dogs most often make wonderful pets, however in certain circumstances, any type of dog can be dangerous. Even friendly dogs, can inflict great harm in the wrong circumstance. This particular dog caused at least 30 human deaths last year compared with a "mixed" breed Labrador which caused only 1 human deaths. You tell me that it's not just a coincidence.

For people who don't know there are three specific types of Pitball some more aggressive in nature than other's. I agree that they can be loving (to it's owner), the main fact is that they are unpredictable and temperamental.

They are illegal in the UK because they are known for violence and aggression.
2010-10-21 10:12:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777


There was a study done on this very topic, the result? Pitbulls are actually nicer than most dogs, the reason why you think they are vicious is because all you ever see of them is the dog fights. It's not "in their DNA". They are more dangerous because they are relatively stronger than most but they are also less likely to attack.


Do you want to know why?

My dog was attacked by a pit bull when she was only 1 year old, lucky the damage wasn't considerable my dad managed to pick her up, so my dog was okay just shaken up, we never found the owners.

it's okay now she's 8.


Also my friend was attacked in a gang related mugging.


Dogs most often make wonderful pets, however in certain circumstances, any type of dog can be dangerous. Even friendly dogs, can inflict great harm in the wrong circumstance. This particular dog caused at least 30 human deaths last year compared with a "mixed" breed Labrador which caused only 1 human deaths. You tell me that it's not just a coincidence.

For people who don't know there are three specific types of Pitball some more aggressive in nature than other's. I agree that they can be loving (to it's owner), the main fact is that they are unpredictable and temperamental.

They are illegal in the UK because they are known for violence and aggression.

30 human deaths and I bet less than 1% were domestic pitbulls. They don't say how many of those dogs were raised to attack or were abused.
Gangs and dog fighters choose pitbulls because they are demonized, misunderstood and people generally think they look "scary". Those people raise them to fight, if they get loose they have a chance to kill someone. It's not the dogs fault and it's not in them, they have to be trained.

They are illegal in the UK because of ignorance.
2010-10-21 22:34:00

Author:
Bremnen
Posts: 1800


They are illegal in the UK because of ignorance.

You don't even live in the UK, so I guess you need an update.

The government has taken several steps to try to crack down on those who breed and trade dangerous dogs, as well as those who own them.

The Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 is the most prominent of the various laws that cover dog ownership in the UK.


The act bans the breeding and sale or exchange of four kinds of dog - pit bull terriers, Japanese Tosas, the Dogo Argentinos, and the Fila Brasileiros. Cross-breeds of those dogs are covered by the law.

Any other dogs "appearing... to be bred for fighting or to have the characteristics of a type bred for that purpose" are also banned.

Under the act, a dog classed as being "dangerously out of control in a public place" can be destroyed. The owner can be fined and imprisoned for up to six months.

If a dog injures someone, the owner can be jailed for up to two years.

Other pieces of legislation covering dogs include the Animals Act 1971, which says the keeper of an animal is liable for any damage it causes, the Guard Dogs Act 1975 and the Dogs Act 1871.

The Animal Welfare Act, also includes codes of practice for keeping dogs.



Originally pit bulls were bred for bull-baiting, a gambling "game" where bulldogs attacked bulls in pits.

But when that was banned in 1835, breeders turned their attention to the practice of dog-fighting.

Pit bulls were bred to maximise aggression, to have a high pain threshold and a willingness to fight to the death.

They were not trained to be aggressive toward humans, and are said to make loyal, obedient pets.

Owners claim well-trained dogs will enjoy being around children and adults.

According to figures released in September, there are more than 1,000 pit bull terriers owned legally under the Dangerous Dogs Act in England.



Like most laws it is controversial, and some believe it is wrong to criminalize a breed of dog.
2010-10-21 22:52:00

Author:
Pattington_Bear
Posts: 777


is Self Defence a problem?

No, it's just you 'lol i am unvincible i culd tak on anything' attitude is kind of annoying. I'll be honest, people who put their money where their mouth is.

But I'm not here to discuss that. Brenmen, you show sense, but you should show sources. Pattington, you are showing sources, but they're not necessarily related to your argument. Whether the British do this or that for having a certain breed of animal is irrelevant to whether that animal is actually dangerous or not.

But if what you are saying is true, then perhaps it's not that wise to assume ALL pitbulls are the result of violent selective breeding, and kill off every pitbull we see. I mean, the majority of violent pitbulls are probably still alive, hidden probably by those people who DO train them to be aggressive. If you started breeding more placid pitbulls, perhaps we could FIX THIS. Yes, your dog was nearly mauled by one... but have you considered you're basing your argument too much on an isolated incident?
2010-10-21 23:10:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046


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