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'What's New' is missing! D:

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I use the 'What's New' button all the time instead of actually looking through the forums. But just now I went to click it and ended up here (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/content.php?124-Community-Content) and was all like "Wait...wuh?". And then I noticed I clicked 'Spotlights' by mistake. I was very confuzzled. So I went on a journey to search for my best buddy 'What's New?' - I went all around the world, even China! But 'What's New' was not in sight. I was very worried about her, and I still am.

What's happened to mah best buddeh? Did you kill her? Or is she hiding? 		2010-10-17 23:13:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

BRING IT BACK :kz:2010-10-17 23:14:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

BRING IT BACK :kz:

...It? She is very offended by that. No wonder she ran away...

2010-10-17 23:16:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

...It? She is very offended by that. No wonder she ran away...



But in the op, you said him...

I miss it (hah!) too though.		2010-10-17 23:18:00

Author:
Jedi_1993
Posts: 1518

She? He is very offended. I've been close to 'him' for a long time. So please bring 'him' back!!!!!! 2010-10-17 23:19:00

Author:
TheCountessZ
Posts: 537

Yes, the What's New button needs to come back!

In the meantime, you can all use this link:
http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/search.php?do=getnew


Edit: Here it is in a more familiar format.


What's New? (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/search.php?do=getnew)		2010-10-17 23:44:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

We needed to make room for the new Spotlights link, and the What's New link seemed to be the best candidate for delegation down to the sub-link list. Sorry it took me so long to actually finish cleaning up after myself and get the What's New link added as a sub-link, but it's there now and it still functions the same way. You'll just have to be in the Forums to use it - if you're on the homepage or anywhere else that has a different set of sub-links, you'll need to come back to the forums before you'll be able to use What's New.2010-10-18 00:02:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

If you hit Forum there is a sub-link called What's New in the first position, but I agree not as handy as it was.2010-10-18 00:03:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

We needed to make room for the new Spotlights link, and the What's New link seemed to be the best candidate for delegation down to the sub-link list. Sorry it took me so long to actually finish cleaning up after myself and get the What's New link added as a sub-link, but it's there now and it still functions the same way. You'll just have to be in the Forums to use it - if you're on the homepage or anywhere else that has a different set of sub-links, you'll need to come back to the forums before you'll be able to use What's New.

I think Market is much less important, especially since it is also accessible via the LBPC XP thing. Please swap them. I CANNOT HANDLE HAVING TO PRESS A SMALLER LINK EVERY FIVE SECONDS D:

... but yeah, isn't Market far less important? Unless, of course, you decided to add more items like that trading Card game I'm always talking about... :kz:		2010-10-18 00:06:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

We needed to make room for the new Spotlights link, and the What's New link seemed to be the best candidate for delegation down to the sub-link list. Sorry it took me so long to actually finish cleaning up after myself and get the What's New link added as a sub-link, but it's there now and it still functions the same way. You'll just have to be in the Forums to use it - if you're on the homepage or anywhere else that has a different set of sub-links, you'll need to come back to the forums before you'll be able to use What's New.


I think Market or Blogs would have been a better candidate.. Unless of course What's New would show up on every sub link. Main links are the ones that are hit more times than any other by most users. Spotlights are important, but the same argument could be made for Level Showcase. What's New is what most people hit more times than any other link.

..another thought would be to remove the LBP for PSP since that is a known section in the Forum.		2010-10-18 00:13:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Sorry guys, all of these options I've already considered, and this is the route we're going to take. What's New is used by quite a number of people, but it isn't used by everyone, and we've got to keep everyone's best interests in mind when we're making changes like this. We're not axing the feature, we're just moving it, so it shouldn't have a significant impact on your browsing habits in the long run.2010-10-18 00:17:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

If everyone begs you to bring What's New back up, would you do it? I WILL NOT BE SILENCED :kz: ... unless it's by a mod.

but yeah, uh... <_< >_> ... Quick, add a poll! /runs		2010-10-18 00:21:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

While we're on the subject, the sub-links toolbar seems to have disappeared from the Search Results. So it's impossible to "Mark forums read" from the "What's new" link. Is anyone else experiencing this?2010-10-18 00:25:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

Well, I don't agree. You've got all the stats on your side, but it would have made much more sense to put "Market" inside the "LBPC XP" tab and replace the "Market" tab with the new "Spotlight" tab. The "Market" should have been under "LBPC XP" in the first place.

The above is much more logical than removing the "What's New" tab from the top banner.		2010-10-18 04:00:00

Author:
piggabling
Posts: 2979

The "Market" should have been under "LBPC XP" in the first place.

The above is much more logical than removing the "What's New" tab from the top banner.

In fact, Market is already accessible from the LBPC XP link. It is the last tab on the right.		2010-10-18 04:06:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

I think this is going to make it much harder for me to check the site from my phone. I guess I'll have to adapt.2010-10-18 04:08:00

Author:
Morgana25
Posts: 5983

Well, I don't agree. You've got all the stats on your side, but it would have made much more sense to put "Market" inside the "LBPC XP" tab and replace the "Market" tab with the new "Spotlight" tab. The "Market" should have been under "LBPC XP" in the first place.

The above is much more logical than removing the "What's New" tab from the top banner.

Well, it seems CC's going by the logic: "Remove the most used links, even if not used by everyone, and leave the barely used ones, even if just used a little bit, if used by everyone."

I mean, look, "Mark all forums read" got cut off, I'm sure plenty people used it too, but aparently not all did, and it got cut off completly.
(Unless there's a sub-sub-bar somewhere?)		2010-10-18 04:19:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I mean, it "Mark all forums read" out as well, but I guess not all used it, so it got cut off.
There's still the link at the bottom of the forum page too.

CC hasn't been active lately, maybe he just needs to look at this thread and he can change this.		2010-10-18 04:20:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

I mean, look, "Mark all forums read" got cut off, I'm sure plenty people used it too, but aparently not all did, and it got cut off completly.
(Unless there's a sub-sub-bar somewhere?)

As near as I can tell, "Mark forums read" was not removed, it's just that the sub-links toolbar was in the same block as the "What's New" link. So when that link was hidden, so was the toolbar. It seems to be more of a bug/oversight than something intentional.

From looking at the page source:

<li class="selected" style="display:none"><a class="navtab" href="search.php?do=getnew&contenttype=vBForum_Post">What's New?</a>
<ul class="floatcontainer">
<li><a href="search.php?do=getnew&contenttype=vBForum_Post">New Posts</a></li>

. . .

. . .

<li><a href="forumdisplay.php?do=markread&markreadhash=12873723 30-6dc227595035daf647e92813c383f0834ea2b0a8">Mark Forums Read</a></li>

</ul>
</li>		2010-10-18 04:34:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

CC, I'm afraid I have to disagree heavily with your choice of What's New as the move-down. What's New is overwhelmingly used, and it comes in much more useful when browsing the forums. The forum experience is more streamlined when you have the more useful (and judging by the response on this thread, and personal experience, the most used) buttons in the foreground. I'm pretty sure almost every user here checks for new posts much more than they check their XP or buy things on the market.

I please ask you reconsider this change.		2010-10-18 04:52:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

I just noticed that I can see "What's New" at the top left...can anyone else?2010-10-18 05:02:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

I just noticed that I can see "What's New" at the top left...can anyone else?

Yeah. I can see it there.

(I never used it, but, eh.)		2010-10-18 05:17:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

Screenshot?2010-10-18 05:23:00

Author:
shadow3596
Posts: 2442

Screenshot?
http://i301.photobucket.com/albums/nn65/warlord_evil/wahts_new.png

And it works as a link, it goes to the right page.		2010-10-18 05:30:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

As near as I can tell, "Mark forums read" was not removed, it's just that the sub-links toolbar was in the same block as the "What's New" link. So when that link was hidden, so was the toolbar. It seems to be more of a bug/oversight than something intentional.

"Mark forums read" is in the dropdown box titled "Forum Actions". Having it out bare doesn't seem like a good idea - I certainly wouldn't ever do it intentionally, at least not up top. Too much risk of it getting clicked accidentally.


Well, it seems CC's going by the logic: "Remove the most used links, even if not used by everyone, and leave the barely used ones, even if just used a little bit, if used by everyone."

I mean, look, "Mark all forums read" got cut off, I'm sure plenty people used it too, but aparently not all did, and it got cut off completly.
(Unless there's a sub-sub-bar somewhere?)

Here's my rationale: Market, in the LBPC XP page, is very hidden. If we didn't have an explicit link, half of our users wouldn't know how to find it. So, if you want a Market link, where do you put it? Certainly not in the sub-nav - you can't put it at the start because it doesn't make sense for it to precede everything else, and you don't want it "buried" in everything else because then you're missing the entire point of adding a Market link in the first place. So, if there aren't any other options, what do you do with it? It's obvious: the Market link needs to be a regular nav link.

What's New?, on the other hand, is exactly the opposite. It's its own page, so we're not trying to promote an underused feature. It exists solely for utility - in other words, those who use it do so because they find it useful, and those who don't don't because they don't (does that make sense? ). And there's another issue, right there: only some people use it. Can we justify leaving it in place and kicking another link off for a link that around half of our users utilize? No, that doesn't make sense - if we've only got a portion of our users using a feature we're offering, we have to consider moving it. So, if we move it, what kind of effects will it have? Well, that depends on the size of the group using it and how affected they feel by the change. Unless the backlash is hugely overbearing (which it isn't - it's more around exactly what I expected), it's probably worth moving, because those who use it will come to get used to the new position. As we already stated, the link is purely utility, so moving it only causes convenience issues - once those are overcome, users will have adapted to the change. As opposed to moving the Market, which, as we established, isn't an option: it's a primary link for marketing reasons, not utility, so putting it in the sub-nav will cause it to lose all marketing aspects, stripping it of its purpose as a link in the first place. Users can't "adapt" to a lack of visibility unless you've got a locked set of users, and we definitely don't have that, so we have to constantly pretend that our site is being seen for the first time.		2010-10-18 05:38:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

I'm on the forums 99.9% of the time I'm on LBPC, so I don't have to click any extra links.
However..
The old "what's new" link position was -way- more convenient.
Before: Large "easy to click on" font, closer to the center of the page for easy access.
Now: Small harder to click on font, tucked away to the left where my trackpad on my laptop rarely ventures while on LBPC.


I use that "what's new" link all the darn time. My LBPC routine consists of:
whats new > scroll > reply > repeat. Perhaps an occasional search.
I click "what's new" more than all other links combined.

What are the page stats for "whats new" compared to the rest of the navigation links?
At work, we don't banish a fast selling item to a worse location, because it would be counter productive. Same goes for convenience in navigation! *rage*

I also vote for a poll (or/and make nav stats public). If we are in fact only "some" (aka minority) I won't mind the shifting.

http://actualplay.roleplayingpublicradio.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/fffuuu.jpg		2010-10-18 09:26:00

Author:
midnight_heist
Posts: 2513

Also, while in the "New Psts" thread list, there isn't a sub tool-bar, so if you wanna "refresh" the list, you can'y jut click what's new, you gotta go to some link 1st.
Its not some "huge" inconvenince, but it was way more useful how it was before, you know?

Still, seeing as there's no choince or question about it (you could've made a poll asking which section should've been move you know? ) then I guess I'll just have to re-adjust to the new version or whatever oits called. 		2010-10-18 10:03:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

Also, while in the "New Psts" thread list, there isn't a sub tool-bar, so if you wanna "refresh" the list, you can'y jut click what's new, you gotta go to some link 1st.
Its not some "huge" inconvenince, but it was way more useful how it was before, you know?

Still, seeing as there's no choince or question about it (you could've made a poll asking which section should've been move you know? then I guess I'll just have to re-adjust to the new version or whatever oits called.

A poll would have been nice. Even if we lost the What's New tab after that, at least it would have been the communities decision, not just one person's decision. But, seeing that your mind isn't changing, I suppose we're going to be living with it. Not that it's terrible, I just feel it was irrational. Sometimes, I don't think stats and facts should be the determining factor in many situations; this being one.

There really hasn't been a "I like this new setup" in this entire thread. I think that shows something. Not that I'm against you CC, just the
decision.		2010-10-18 11:23:00

Author:
piggabling
Posts: 2979

"Mark forums read" is in the dropdown box titled "Forum Actions". Having it out bare doesn't seem like a good idea - I certainly wouldn't ever do it intentionally, at least not up top. Too much risk of it getting clicked accidentally.

This is a maybe, except that right now it is not in the dropdown box titled "Forum Actions" when going in the "What's New" search results, for the simple fact that the *entire* sub-links toolbar is missing from there, including the New Group posts links and everything else.

http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j294/Jirugameshi/Misc/missingsublink.jpg

This is also not limited to that search, but to every search -- whether done through Advanced Search, View Forum Posts, View Forum Threads, My Creations, etc.

I hope you agree that this is a problem?		2010-10-18 11:38:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

If the What's New link appeared on a sub menu after hitting What's New as Gilgamesh points out, it wouldn't be as much of an issue at least in my mind.

What is interesting to me is when Spotlights are published, we have a banner at the top that takes us there that we can X off once we have read it or played all the levels besides now having the new Spotlights link. However the way the site is currently structured, if you hit Home or Spotlights it gives you pretty much the same resulting information and thus ends up being a bit redundant. So while Spotlights seems like a good idea, Home does the same thing. So I'm not sure how the new link is useful other than pointing out there are something called Spotlights to begin with possibly for new members. ..and since they would have all these banners at the top announcing all that, wow.. how many paths do you need to go find them?

.. but I can live with it fine, but would sure be handy to have What's New show up on a sub menu on the resulting page after hitting that or doing a search. 		2010-10-18 12:03:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

No offence CC, but I personally can't understand why you do things sometimes. It's not the first time the whole community has shown they would prefer the site a certain way but no, you choose to do it the way you like it. Why, I really don't understand. It benefits practically no one to go with just your own opinion and reject everyone else's. In fact, you've become pretty in active around LBPC so it hardly even affects you yourself. I'm not saying you don't do a great job running this site (because you do), but I just think that you really should become more aware of what the rest of the community wants.

You can clearly see by this thread that you're the only person here who wants it this way, so why can't we just go with what the majority thinks for once?

I completely understand your want for the Spotlights link in the Nav bar, and I agree with you it's a good idea to have it there. But the LBP for PSP link is totally not needed at all. If we've got a link to the PSP forums then why don't we have a link to the LBP1 PS3 forums? And the LBP2 forums? What makes PSP any different to PS3? The PSP side is very active already so it's not as if it's in a huge need for more activity. And it's not as if new members won't be able to find the PSP forums, if they can find the rest of the forum, they can find the PSP forum without the need for a link in the nav bar. If they can't find the forum, that's their problem, not yours.

What's New was the feature I used most on this site (except the actual forum) so I'm not gonna let this go easily. Please do bring What's New back or I won't stop bugging you...

Edit: I added a poll, not sure what difference it'll make, but I liek pollz. :kz:		2010-10-18 17:03:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

I don't mind the inconvenience of it being moved however not having a sub bar on that page is very annoying.2010-10-18 17:13:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

We needed to make room for the new Spotlights link, and the What's New link seemed to be the best candidate for delegation down to the sub-link list. Sorry it took me so long to actually finish cleaning up after myself and get the What's New link added as a sub-link, but it's there now and it still functions the same way. You'll just have to be in the Forums to use it - if you're on the homepage or anywhere else that has a different set of sub-links, you'll need to come back to the forums before you'll be able to use What's New.

Could you not stick a link to Market under the XP tab, or vice versa? Whatever... Just PLEASE bring back What's New? !!!! That's the button I use the most!

But thanks so much Gilgamesh!!!

Oh, RockSauron suggested that... SEE! It IS a good idea!!

Anyway... End of rant now



No offence CC, but I personally can't understand why you do things sometimes. It's not the first time the whole community has shown they would prefer the site a certain way but no, you choose to do it the way you like it. Why, I really don't understand. It benefits practically no one to go with just your own opinion and reject everyone else's. In fact, you've become pretty in active around LBPC so it hardly even affects you yourself. I'm not saying you don't do a great job running this site (because you do), but I just think that you really should become more aware of what the rest of the community wants.

In all fairness, it is HIS site... We're just here for the ride!
It's like going to a big house party and telling them they just "Aren't allowed" to move the pool table! Yes, we do prefer it the old way, but we can't MAKE him!


EDIT: Awww... Gilgamesh's links aren't working anymore 		2010-10-18 17:34:00

Author:
Weretigr
Posts: 2105

In all fairness, it is HIS site... We're just here for the ride!
It's like going to a big house party and telling them they just "Aren't allowed" to move the pool table! Yes, we do prefer it the old way, but we can't MAKE him!

Yes, but he runs it FOR us. A house should serve the owner of the house. However, a forum owner should serve the forum, because without us this is nothing. NOTHING :kz:

But really, it just seems like such a **** move. Why do this? Just to tick us off? As people have said, there is little to no need for a PSP section on top. If anything, having that link only further separates LBPc into the PSers and PSPers, keeping them away from General Chat or Site Forums or whatever. It just divides us, so why does that have a section on top and not what everyone wants?		2010-10-18 20:25:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

Why do this? Just to tick us off?

Mate, you and everyone else know that this is not true. He made a judgment call, which many have expressed issues with. For those of you who are using the evidence of the number of responses in this thread as a sign of mass disapproval, remember that those who don't mind the change have nothing to productively add to the topic, and thus really shouldn't be responding.

That said, I personally would make a few link movements in the Nav Bars, but I respect that this is Michael's site. I will relate my ideas to him in a respectable, private manner, and will not get angry if he doesn't change his mind.

...because that's how one operates with civility. Getting angry, using emotional language as a result, and being rude about it does not provide much weight in an argument. Hold tight, adjust for now, and sit back. Your opinions have been expressed, and there is nothing more that can be productively said at this point.

Agreed? 		2010-10-18 21:36:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

The poll seems to say that 15% of people like it the way it is, which I think is reason to constitute a change.

If one is to be replaced with What's New, I vote.... spotlights (with blogs placing second.) I don't really see why they need their own link. It redirects to a version of the front page? The original version of the front page is already filled with spotlights. There is a large spotlight notification every time we get a new one. Spotlights are without question one of the great things our site has to offer, but I don't think it's the kind of thing that people need to click on daily. A bar of this site's most important links doesn't seem to have a place for a biwe-... ...bimo-... fortnightly event. The spotlight team makes it easy to find past spotlights, especially with the spotlight search tool.		2010-10-18 22:13:00

Author:
Incinerator22
Posts: 3251

Well, if it ain't broke - don't fix it! And it wasn't broke by my reckoning!

Could you not simply shunt them up with a simple "New" ? There is room and it won't look too bad...

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4527/screenshot20101018at222.png

By the way, I'm not suggesting we should stick it in that space, I'm saying we should put it back where it was except as "New" and slide the others along...

And I agree with Incinerator - Spotlights are usually found on the home page.
You may say that new users might struggle to find them, but I beg to differ. When I first signed up, I always checked the home page first!		2010-10-18 22:28:00

Author:
Weretigr
Posts: 2105

Its his site, that is true, but just as w/out him, the site would have never existed, w/out the users the site could've never been as successful and just become 'another' minor faniste.

Not here to rant and rage like some, but I do ask that you try to take into considerations the users before making a decision on your own, as the users are the ones that use the site and keep it alive.

Sure I understand not everything should be discussed all the time, but I think at least it should when replacing/moving something many use a lot, don't you think? 		2010-10-18 22:44:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

I think we are missing something here, the profile bar in the top right has two links that go to the same thing, surely you could replace profile with LBPCXP then freeing up space in the nav bar. Just an idea.2010-10-18 22:53:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

I think we are missing something here, the profile bar in the top right has two links that go to the same thing, surely you could replace profile with LBPCXP then freeing up space in the nav bar. Just an idea.

And a great one. This could possibly work, could it not?		2010-10-18 23:14:00

Author:
Astrosimi
Posts: 2046

I think we are missing something here, the profile bar in the top right has two links that go to the same thing, surely you could replace profile with LBPCXP then freeing up space in the nav bar. Just an idea.

And a great one. This could possibly work, could it not?

I was thinking the same! I think it should!

Replacing "Profile" with XP could work 		2010-10-18 23:19:00

Author:
Weretigr
Posts: 2105

EDIT: Awww... Gilgamesh's links aren't working anymore
I'm not sure what you mean, the links work fine when I use them. After all it's just the same URL that is on the What's New link.

I can't comment on the change since I am obviously biased : I use the big What's New link all the time -- usually from within the Search Results -- and I also use the Mark Forums Read link from there. That is my personal usage though, so I don't know how others use the forums and whether or not the change is beneficial for them. I've found a way to cope with the change though, so my daily LBPC experience is 100% unaffected. 		2010-10-19 00:13:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

The Sub-Nav bar now works on the search page. Gilgamesh, you can resume your previous browsing habits.

I had a long talk with CC about the move, and I can understand his reasoning. In terms of site usage, the top Nav Bar links are the ones that are most frequently used across the site. The What's New, while useful, is not used as much as other things. Thus, it has a new home... one that is really not that far from its previous home.

Also, I convinced him to do a bit of cleaning up with the other links in the Sub-Nav Bar.

2010-10-19 01:33:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

Hopefully, the new threads will still get the traffic that the big "What's New" tab provided.

Still, at least we can see it through the search... :/

I still can't believe Blogs are used more than What's New. lol		2010-10-19 01:42:00

Author:
piggabling
Posts: 2979

Awesome! That works for me!

Thanks!		2010-10-19 01:43:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

In all fairness, it is HIS site... We're just here for the ride!
Heh, I appreciate how easygoing you are, but the site's not just mine. It belongs to everyone that contributes to it, including everyone here. Which is why I'm working so hard to try to get my thoughts on this conveyed clearly.

OK, so I want to try to explain what my thoughts are on the change, and in a way that covers as much of our community as possible. I'm going to do that in a rather fragmented way, but that's because I've got lots of bases I want to cover. Regardless of your stance, please do me the favor of reading it all - I've read everything you guys have posted thus far, so just do me the courtesy of humoring me for a few paragraphs.

First off, I want it to be clear that I never make changes without considering the impact they'll have on the users. The site is designed to be useful to as many people as possible, and that's not done willy-nilly - the needs of each portion of our community are considered and taken into account whenever any change is made. So for everything we add, everything we change, everything we choose to remove, we need to make sure that we're doing so in a way that benefits more users than it bothers, and without bothering too many users regardless of the benefits.

However, because we have to consider so many different groups of people, to some it may appear that we're not considering anyone at all. A change may be entirely negative for X number of people (as it is here), and to those people it may appear that we simply don't care about them. That's not at all true - in fact, it's the exact opposite scenario. The group that uses What's New? the most (e.g. you guys) were the ones that had to be thought about most. If we made the change, what will the outcome be? Do the positives outweigh the negatives? Is it possible to adapt to the change, or will this drive users away from our site? We've arrived at the conclusion that this change is a reasonable one to make, and users who like What's New? will adapt and continue to use it. For those that feel the new link isn't good enough, we're assuming those users users will further adapt by making use of a bookmark or continuous refresh or some other method.

Some of you have suggested that the group that uses What's New? (and opposes the change) is overwhelmingly large, to the point of acting as motivation to revert the change, but I'm simply not seeing that. I've counted, and this thread contains a total of fourteen community members (fifteen, if you count comphermc - you may not, since he changed his mind) publicly expressing dislike toward the change. Fourteen people vehemently mad isn't enough to convince me that this change has caused mass uproar. And, on that note, neither is the poll - the data in that shows that there is a slightly larger group of people who voted against the change (24 total), but nobody can seem to agree on which link it should replace. I don't know what that tells you, but I can certainly tell you what that information means to me: it means that while all of you want What's New back, none of you really agree on which link it should kick off. If I were to follow everyone's advice and replace something with What's New, all of a sudden I'd have a completely different group of people mad at me because their link isn't up anymore. And, to be honest, all of those other links represent larger portions of the community than What's New? does. What it comes down to is this: If nobody can agree on which link it should replace, then it shouldn't replace any of them because it would have a significantly negative impact overall - regardless of which link you pick. Does that make sense?

As to the reason it was chosen to be moved, I had hoped it was obvious, but it's not, so I'll explain it. What's New serves one specific subset of people: the people that find it useful. And that's great, it's a big enough group to justify its existence. However, the Market is used by nearly everyone, for a multitude of purposes. It spans multiple groups of people and accomplishes multiple tasks. It might not be as useful on a daily basis to you, but as a whole it is a much more widely-used, robust feature. The new Spotlights tab serves as a hub for all of our spotlights, past and present. It is also a site-wide feature, and exists to provide everyone (even those who haven't registered) an easy-to-find avenue for reading our Spotlights.

What everything I've written really boils down to is this: users shouldn't have to hunt down a link for a primary feature. It should be front and center. So, the things that are used most get to be a primary link. Niche features, like What's New?, are nice to have front-and-center, but if there's other content that is more deserving of the slot, those items will take precedence.

Hopefully that clears a few things up. If it doesn't, I'm sorry - I don't really have another solution for you.

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Also, the sub-nav/Search bug has been fixed. Sorry about that!		2010-10-19 01:43:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

The Sub-Nav bar now works on the search page. Gilgamesh, you can resume your previous browsing habits.Awesome, that is perfect.


Also, I convinced him to do a bit of cleaning up with the other links in the Sub-Nav Bar.

Also a welcome change. Thanks!

I have no qualms with the new layout as it stands now. Getting used to the new link position shouldn't take long.		2010-10-19 01:57:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

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I vote for this. It might make the nav look a little busy, but we have the space, so why not?
Heck, it could be invisible and I would still love it. We could have the convenience, and the nav could keep the non-busy design on the right (keeping the important links like donate/search as they are now).

I think forum/spotlights should definitely be up there.
Home/spotlights are basically the same thing. I don't use the rest, but you say they are more popular than our favourite link.

@CC: I have already switched my old LBP forum browser fav link for the what's new one, however, still not as convenient as before.
Everyone wins with the invisible solution.

Anyone know activate a link in your favs from some kind of keyboard shortcut?
I know there is some extension/tool to edit existing sites (like being able to change colours on you fav sites, etc), can't remember the name though. :/		2010-10-19 05:11:00

Author:
midnight_heist
Posts: 2513

... This is a bit of a pointless bump, but I just wanted to say that I didn't really mean to be so ticked off. TBQH, I was just joking, like faking rage. I was a bit ticked off yes, but not anywhere near what I appeared to be, and I'm sorry that my fake rage was so bad. I wasn't that angry or whatever, honestly ;-;. ... And just wanted to make that clear. Cause I don't like things not being clear :/. So yeah sorry for my faux rage :/2010-10-23 00:55:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882

Bump.

There's room for What's New? now the LBP for PSP link is gone. Could we please have What's New? back where it was?

http://www.atomicpopcorn.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Puss_in_boots1.jpg
Please?		2010-12-31 00:23:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

DON'T NOT READ THIS BASED ON MY STATS. JUST BECAUSE I'M NEW TO THE FORUM DOESN'T MEAN MY STATS REPRESENTS MY MIND.

I read every post in this thread and would like to say something.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/4527/screenshot20101018at222.png
Can't see what's wrong with this idea^^

Also, I realized that the only one's that had a problem have been on this forum for some time. I posted a thread in this section and was like "What's this... WhAt'S NeW TaB???".

I honestly had no idea the what's new tab was even there, or even what it was about. I figured it was the stuff that was new to the site all together. And it's right by news and media.

Just curious, but maybe not as many people are using it because they don't even know what it is. I sure had no idea as to what it was.

Maybe even change the name to new posts or threads. And also a filter for certain sections of the forum. This way it gets ALL the posts and threads that are new on one page.

Also I can see ConfusedCartman's point of view. The number of people not even members of the forum outnumber the number of people that use "What's New". People that aren't members have no use for what's new due to the fact that they AREN'T MEMBERS. A non-member can't post.

But yeah, I had no idea that existed. And as for the poll, I don't get why there is even one. You have to find this thread to take the poll, and if it gets bumped a lot, then the voter would have to find the What's new tab, or search just to post. I think it's a paradox or something.

DON'T NOT READ THIS BASED ON MY STATS. JUST BECAUSE I'M NEW TO THE FORUM DOESN'T MEAN MY STATS REPRESENTS MY MIND.		2011-01-01 05:00:00

Author:
Devious_Oatmeal
Posts: 1799


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