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gamesharing = legal, or illegal?
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| i don't even know ._. | 2010-10-12 20:32:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| probably should b illegal, they have your card details and ur adress O.O | 2010-10-12 20:33:00 Author: Unknown User |
| if you borrow some one your Monopoly then yes | 2010-10-12 20:34:00 Author: Unknown User |
| From the ToS of PSN 8. YOUR RIGHTS TO CONTENT All content and software provided through PSN, including game, video, music and comic content, (collectively defined as "Property") is licensed non-exclusively to you solely for your personal, private, non-commercial use subject to these Conditions and any relevant Additional Conditions. The Property may be used only on a limited number of activated Authorised Devices associated with your PSN account, as specified in the product description, these Conditions or any relevant Additional Conditions. "Authorised Devices" are PlayStation?3 computer entertainment systems, PSP? (PlayStation?Portable) systems or other hardware devices as authorised by us from time to time. All intellectual property rights in the Property belong to us and/or our licensors. All use of or access to such Property is subject to these Conditions, any relevant Additional Conditions and all applicable laws. Unless expressly authorised by us, you must not: (i) share, sell, transfer, rent or sublicense any part of the Property to anyone else; or | 2010-10-12 20:40:00 Author: Syroc  Posts: 3193 |
| As far as I am concerned it is against PSN rules, because the content has been bought by you, I would rather explain as buying a computer CD video game and then make a copy for a friend to play it. (I would post that "don't copy that floppy" video but can find it at the moment XD) | 2010-10-12 20:41:00 Author: Ragnarok  Posts: 898 |
| Read what syroc posted. ... And therefore this discussion should end here... | 2010-10-12 20:42:00 Author: Fishrock123  Posts: 1578 |
| The only reason why "gamesharing" is even possible is if something were to happen to your ps3, so that you would atleast be able to download your games again to a new system. The use of "gameshare" simply because someone dosn't want to buy it themselves isn't entirely fair : | 2010-10-12 20:52:00 Author: Bradlee  Posts: 96 |
| You know how stores like blockbuster let you rent PS3 games? Isn't that technically against the rules unless they have exclusive permission from Sony? | 2010-10-13 01:35:00 Author: Enlong3 Posts: 357 |
| They pay a premium for rental licences. | 2010-10-13 01:37:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| Better question: who cares? I pirate almost every program on my computer and every song on my iPod, and nothing has ever happened to me. Perfectly fine in my opinion. inb4 this post draws in every moralf** on the board.  | 2010-10-13 12:34:00 Author: Voltergeist  Posts: 1702 |
| Well... you are sharing your private information and in many cases it hasn't gone well. In some cases, the extra user changes the password, thus locking out the real player and losing all their published levels. In other cases, the extra users have purchased additional content from an attached credit card racking up a ton of money on the others credit card. Another issue is that you can only share it up to 5 times and have seen where all the original owners DLC is lost due to their PS3's finally suffering the inevitable YLOD. So it's a situation that you have to say "enter at your own risk" and have seen way too many threads here on LBPC where game sharing ended badly. There is even a post about it in the site rules (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=2248-Our-Stance-on-GameSharing) that you might want to check out. | 2010-10-13 13:05:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| Better question: who cares? I pirate almost every program on my computer and every song on my iPod, and nothing has ever happened to me. Perfectly fine in my opinion. inb4 this post draws in every moralf** on the board. The programmers and musicians who spend their time working to create those programs and songs care. You are stealing from them. | 2010-10-13 14:55:00 Author: mrsupercomputer  Posts: 1335 |
| indeed, except when it's something that's priced ?60 and up, and you can't pay for it. that way it's not really stealing as they did not lose nor get a sale. there's limits though. | 2010-10-13 19:58:00 Author: oldage  Posts: 2824 |
| I'm not sure I understand what you mean, care to explain with detail? | 2010-10-13 20:01:00 Author: mrsupercomputer Posts: 1335 |
| I think he is saying if it costs way too much and they can't afford it, then it is ok to go ahead, rip it off and use it anyway. ...sounds like twisted logic to me. I'd like to get Adobe CS5 Master Collection which is horribly expensive, but I will just save up and get it legally as I want all the updates and support. | 2010-10-13 20:05:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Oh, I see. So if it's expensive, he wouldn't be able to buy it anyway, thus the creator isn't losing a sale. Gotcha. Yeah, that is a pretty weak justification Oldage. If you want something that is expensive, you can always save up and buy it like Jww is doing with Adobe CS5. | 2010-10-13 20:19:00 Author: mrsupercomputer Posts: 1335 |
| Its illegal its taking away profit no matter how small I wouldn't gameshare its appauling... let me put it this way imagine you got spore you download it on your PC and then keep giving it to your friends to download... are the companys who make money from that gonna be happy? I dont think so. By the way BlueBulletBill piracy is illegal it may not seem like much but thats like stealing music albums fix your ways! | 2010-10-14 16:26:00 Author: The age of LOLZ  Posts: 229 |
| Seriously though...if your best friend asks to borrow a game from you, and says that in return he'll let you borrow one that you want to play, who's actually gonna say "no mate, game sharing is illegal and immoral"? | 2010-10-14 18:30:00 Author: Ungreth  Posts: 2130 |
| Seriously though...if your best friend asks to borrow a game from you, and says that in return he'll let you borrow one that you want to play, who's actually gonna say "no mate, game sharing is illegal and immoral"? But there's a difference between lending/borrowing games and burning copies/uploading a game and give it away. | 2010-10-14 18:40:00 Author: gdn001  Posts: 5891 |
| Better question: who cares? I pirate almost every program on my computer and every song on my iPod, and nothing has ever happened to me. Not for long.. *calls police* | 2010-10-14 18:44:00 Author: Ninjaferret22  Posts: 1403 |
| Thank you very much, really helpful, it's a bit sad to see it's against the rules. A bit Disappointing haha, but oh well, i don't know what to do now xP | 2010-10-15 03:05:00 Author: Unknown User |
| if you borrow some one your Monopoly then yes But it's all right with Cludo because they have to find out who done it   .... :blush: | 2010-10-15 15:04:00 Author: lifeiscrapislife  Posts: 396 |
| The fact that you're questioning the legality of an activity is usually a red flag to desist, is it not? Yes, as easy as file sharing may be, it is against the law. And BlueBulletBill: Better question: who cares? I pirate almost every program on my computer and every song on my iPod, and nothing has ever happened to me. Perfectly fine in my opinion. If any company finds out about that, they may try to make an example of you by suing you into oblivion. At least, they would in America! (But I hope that doesn't happen.  )Ahem, basically: File Sharing is Illegal. No matter how much you argue, it is. You know it is; you just don't want to believe it. (Or, you don't care.) But, that doesn't matter. If you're caught, I don't recommend "I just didn't care" as your defense. Image if file sharing were legal, and all programs were free. Well, there certainly wouldn't be a game like LittleBigPlanet around. Think about it: Media Molecule was a small company If they knew they'd never make any money on the original LittleBigPlanet because no one paid for it, then there wouldn't be an original, the squeal, or [B]this website that were are arguing on. End of discussion, Thank You. However, I do think that some software is too expensive, but that doesn't mean I steal it! | 2010-10-15 15:16:00 Author: Stoicrow Posts: 276 |
| Its illegal. With music i think that that the producers are doing also wrong, with the high prices. I personaly think that every song should be for +/- 1,- then the illigal downloading will be alot less. | 2010-10-15 15:28:00 Author: Smelling-Cowboy  Posts: 668 |
| @jww: that's not what I meant no, I can't really explain it. the only reason I pirate games is because they lack a demo. (and to see if it runs on my PC, as the suggested specs are BS most of the time) dead rising 2 for example, no demo at all. downloaded, I liked it and since LBP2 got delayed my money will go toward that game. | 2010-10-16 15:21:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824 |
| I just had this weird feeling, because I forgot how to spell yes. | 2010-10-16 15:46:00 Author: the_adhocracy Posts: 31 |
| @ oldage I do understand what you mean. It's not taking away profit really, it shouldn't really be a problem, but it's against the rules, i guess. I don't really think it should be, it literally isn't stealing, and if you're gamesharing it means you don't want the game enough to buy it, so it's not really taking away chances of them making money. At least, how i see it, but oh well! | 2010-10-17 20:29:00 Author: Unknown User |
| @ oldage I do understand what you mean. It's not taking away profit really, it shouldn't really be a problem, but it's against the rules, i guess. I don't really think it should be, it literally isn't stealing, and if you're gamesharing it means you don't want the game enough to buy it, so it's not really taking away chances of them making money. At least, how i see it, but oh well! But, for game companies, either you want it or you don't. There's no mid-term. | 2010-10-17 20:32:00 Author: gdn001 Posts: 5891 |
| The programmers and musicians who spend their time working to create those programs and songs care. You are stealing from them. They have thousands of dollars, i have 0 right now, they only care because they want more money to bathe in, but i guess how else can they afford their solid gold bathtubs? | 2010-10-18 02:45:00 Author: Charlemagne  Posts: 513 |
| @ oldage I do understand what you mean. It's not taking away profit really, it shouldn't really be a problem, but it's against the rules, i guess. I don't really think it should be, it literally isn't stealing, and if you're gamesharing it means you don't want the game enough to buy it, so it's not really taking away chances of them making money. At least, how i see it, but oh well! If you pirate to try a game, and if your really play it you do buy it, I don't have much problem with it. Serves the Dev right for not making a demo. I don't actually pirate anything, but that's what I feel about games. And how I would feel if I were a game dev. /opinion | 2010-10-18 02:55:00 Author: Fishrock123 Posts: 1578 |
| Game sharing and pirating is morally wrong. You should support the people behind the software. A lot of time, money, and effort goes into those projects which are made for people's enjoyment and/or benefit. So if you are benefiting from anything you may have downloaded off the internetz, please show them a little respect and give them some benefit in return. Remember that the money you pay for something doesn't always go into someone's sport car fund, it helps businesses expand and funds future projects that will continue to benefit other people too. More money = greater possibilities for most companies and if you want to help support a brighter future, then please give them the opportunity they deserve. Only consumers can keep a business thriving. | 2010-10-18 03:32:00 Author: Enlong3 Posts: 357 |
| Here: http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz49/xvoodeedoox/Piracy.jpg | 2010-10-18 11:33:00 Author: Voodeedoo  Posts: 724 |
| lol... your car may be there in the morning, but imagine 100 people getting your car for free when you had to pay $40,000 for it and you are making payments for 5 or 6 years. Say no to piracy! Make them buy their own!! | 2010-10-18 11:42:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Here: [picture] That's a really poor analogy. http://gyazo.com/1c2d7e31ff471160c96a00ba30e4b622.png | 2010-10-18 12:21:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
Oh teh noes Syroc, you have posted a rational argument to counter a picture with cartoon pigs on it.... This is the Internet you fool, your careful reasoning and understanding of the underlying concepts will never be accepted here!! | 2010-10-18 13:45:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| I'm starting a revolution here. You might at least be a bit supportive and help me bring common sense and rationality to the Internet! | 2010-10-18 14:44:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
| I became addicted to LBP using a disc I borrowed from my friend, while he borrowed Assasin's Creed from me. Now I own 2 copies for our family, most of the DLC, LBP2 paid up and waiting, and will get another copy when the price drops to $40, if not before. The difference to me between physically borrowing and piracy is : I couldn't play AC until my friend gave it back. Could be this scenerio falls apart if he had finished the AC story and then not bought the game, but he got bored with it instead. Since the Atari 2600 days, buying the same console your buddy owns had this incentive built in. A selling point, if you will. Who knows, if he didn't have a ps3, I might be on X-Box instead right now not knowing what I was missing out on with LBP.  I'll try not to ponder that too long.... | 2010-10-18 15:26:00 Author: Unknown User |
| They have thousands of dollars, i have 0 right now, they only care because they want more money to bathe in, but i guess how else can they afford their solid gold bathtubs? They don't have an infinite money pit though. Just about every publisher has been posting losses this generation and we've seen plenty of developers go under due to lack of money (some of the blame can be placed on making a bad game though.) | 2010-10-18 16:47:00 Author: Rabid-Coot  Posts: 6728 |
| Arghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.... 1 button. Press the R1 button!  | 2010-10-18 18:49:00 Author: AgentBanana  Posts: 511 |
| Here: http://i812.photobucket.com/albums/zz49/xvoodeedoox/Piracy.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgWVs4kslVw&feature=related | 2010-10-18 23:43:00 Author: Charlemagne Posts: 513 |
| inb4 this post draws in every moralf** on the board. *Looks at thread content* In after.  | 2010-10-18 23:53:00 Author: Voltergeist Posts: 1702 |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgWVs4kslVw&feature=related I'm okay with this video. | 2010-10-19 00:08:00 Author: TheAffected  Posts: 626 |
| Although piracy is not the same thing as stealing a physical good and therefore does not constitute theft directly, it is creating an unfair advantage for the person pirating by letting them receive the same benefits of a product as the person who does pay for the product. It's basically like someone getting a free joyride. And as I see it, piracy is like cheating, they both create an unfair advantage that no one appreciates and therefore are outlawed. People try to enforce this by making sure no one takes advantage of the unfair advantage. I don't think you can really say that a company loses money but rather they lose potential revenue. But like I said earlier, it is important to support anyone's work that benefits you by paying for it. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be much of a clamp on piracy other than lawsuits. Although, some of the ISPs might be required to filter for piracy if legislation goes through permitting it. I think this was in discussion for awhile but it has been heavily opposed since. | 2010-10-19 00:11:00 Author: Enlong3 Posts: 357 |
| Yes, if i was a game dev too, i definitely wouldn't want people pirateing anything of mine, but what i mean is, i wouldn't be bothered if they pirated something they're not optimistic enough for buying, yeah of course a lot of people do it because they want to get it for free, but that's not really the deal with me. I don't think it's counted as stealing, but more like not making me any money. | 2010-10-19 00:37:00 Author: Unknown User |
| >.< so many mixewd feelings and opinions on game "borrowing without the intent of returning" will keep this thread alive. | 2010-10-19 02:13:00 Author: Bradlee Posts: 96 |
| lol... your car may be there in the morning, but imagine 100 people getting your car for free when you had to pay $40,000 for it and you are making payments for 5 or 6 years. Say no to piracy! Make them buy their own!! Well, if I could give copies of my car away to random strangers [or people who need one] and still own mine, I would be happy to... I guess it'd be a bad thing for the artists though, especially the top acts like Black Eyed Peas or Eminems. I mean, they show off all their money and wealth in MTV Cribs, so I guess they screwed'ed the relationship with the audience. | 2010-10-19 04:56:00 Author: Voodeedoo Posts: 724 |
| I guess it'd be a bad thing for the artists though, especially the top acts like Black Eyed Peas or Eminems. I mean, they show off all their money and wealth in MTV Cribs, so I guess they screwed'ed the relationship with the audience. If someone has more money than you, then it's OK to take money away from them? That is your justification: I want <insert luxury item> therefore I shall have it and not pay for it, thus taking money away from someone else." The attitude here, no matter how you wrap it up comes down to "I want it, therefore I deserve to have it" and after that you simply rationalise in any way you can, be it the "I can get away with it" argument or the "they have more money than me" or the "I paid for it, therefore I own it, because I don't understand simple concepts", or whatever... Similarly, the argument that its a copy, therefore not stealing and therefore OK is completely moot when you actually consider the over-arching economic factors and it especially becomes really quite pathetic when you introduce the fact that these are luxury items. I'd support someone in stealing food if they had to, to survive. That is one justification for theft. I support the governments of developing countries violating patents to create medicines that save lives. That is one justification for intellectual property theft. I want it and they have more money than me.... Not so much, when you think about it. If you're gonna do it, then at least stop pretending to yourself that it's justified. The livelihoods of millions upon millions of people rely upon intellectual property - it's not just the super rich, as several people naively seem to think. It's normal, everyday people, and it's those people who suffer when companies start posting losses. Those and the other everyday people who actually pay for stuff, supporting the industry and making it possible for these luxury items to exist in the first place, who have to pay more because the producers are selling less units so have to up the per-unit price proportionally to cover costs. Oh crap, I forgot... You want it. Now I see why it's OK . | 2010-10-19 10:23:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| @rtm223 Well, I know the top acts aren't the only victims [almost everyone is], and I'm not necessarily okay with that, because it's a bit saddening seeing that people like Justin Bieber have about 6,000 current downloads when he could be selling a lot more albums. I don't simply think that I should own it for free because I feel I want it, and I certainly don't feel me wanting it makes it okay, and I especially don't let their wealth determine if it should be free or not. It sounds a bit BS at the moment but I do support the artists [concerts, merch, etc] and I do buy their albums, and anything I don't own I plan to buy eventually. I'd much rather do that and own the CD/album artwork/case than have a free digital copy. The piggy picture didn't exactly reflect any realities of me or my judgement, 'twas just a pic I found. Piracy may not be as bad as theft but the artists are still victims. | 2010-10-19 11:49:00 Author: Voodeedoo Posts: 724 |
So, playing devil's advocate were we?  Well, just direct the above rant at anyone else really, it doesn't matter who, that's why it's a rant | 2010-10-19 14:07:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| But it is a bit concieted of the artists to suggest that if they weren;t being paid huge sums of money for doing it, then they wouldn't do it. If that is your attitude, then you are not an artist... you are a sell out. It is a priviledge to perform for people... and if you can make money out of it, then that's a bonus. But the sole focus of artists should be on their artwork... and not on exploiting that artwork to generate some cash. For every Beiber whining that they should be making more cash... there are 1000 wanna bee's who are doing it and not making any cash, but they do it anyway... because it's their art form. | 2010-10-19 19:00:00 Author: Macnme  Posts: 1970 |
| haha, well, i agree with Voodeedoo If i COULD make copies of my car magically, i would so give them to strangers that want one, and i get what everyone will think about how wrong it is because that's me stealing from a company, it's not stealing. It's just money they weren't gonna make, if people REALLY wanted my car, they would buy one like it, instead of trying to find a copy that's free, and if people couldn't afford a car like mine anyway, They didn't actually steal from the car's company, did they? | 2010-10-21 21:40:00 Author: Unknown User |
| It's not a big deal. (http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/103759/not-a-big-deal) | 2010-10-21 21:57:00 Author: midnight_heist  Posts: 2513 |
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