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Moderation Policy Overhaul
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| http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/2508/moderationchanges.jpg LittleBigPlanet Central has always been a great resource and destination for thousands of LittleBigPlanet fans alike. We are the busiest LBP fansite, and yet we have maintained a family-type atmosphere. Lately, however, we have seen a rise in the small minority of users who go against this sense of community spirit. I'm sure most of you have noticed members putting other members down, or posting only with the intent of riling others up. This stops now. Being a large site does not need to correlate with chaos. With that in mind, we have decided to take a hard line on negative and antisocial attitudes. We firmly believe in your rights to freedom of speech and freedom of expression, but as soon as you push the limits of your freedom to encroach on the freedom and experience of other members, we are going to have problems. If you choose to post in this manner, then you are choosing to give up your freedom to post, and potentially even your freedom to use our site. Thus, starting now, if we catch you choosing to make any other members' experience at LBPCentral less enjoyable, we will remove your ability to post. Healthy, respectful debate can further knowledge and understanding, but the manner in which that disagreement or debate is expressed is the issue, and it is where we commonly witness the biggest problem. We don't want to deny anyone the right to post here, and I'm sure nobody out there wants us to take away this right. It's your choice. You can choose to be respectful to other members, or you can choose to go elsewhere. How will we take away your ability to post? By giving you an infraction that pushes you into Silenced status. If you haven't read the Site Rules (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=21530-Rules-Consequences), you should really stop now and read those before going any further. Silenced status removes your ability to post until the infraction we dole out expires. As part of these moderation changes, the durations of all of the in-site infractions and their accompanying disciplinary actions have been increased. See the spoilers below for more. If you continue to commit serious, infractable offenses during your time here, you are choosing to leave our site, and your account will be banned. Note that any staff member has the ability to custom tailor an infraction given a set of circumstances. This is just to give an idea of where we are making a baseline. 21 Days Advertisement, 2 points Piracy, 2 points 30 Days Bumping/Double Posting Uselessly, 2 points Multiple Accounts, 2 points Spam/Off-Topic, 2 points Arguing with Staff over a disciplinary issue, 3 points Bypassing language filter, 3 points 45 Days Inappropriate Content, 4 points If you are unfamiliar with the infraction system, automatic action is taken if the following number of points is accumulated: 4 points - Silenced. You will not be allowed to post until you have fewer than 4 points. 5 Points - 2 week ban 6 Points - 1 month ban 7 Points - 2 month ban 8 points - Permanent ban. You will not be allowed to access the site any longer. Other Items: One of the best ways that you can earn an infraction is to be disrespectful to other members. This takes many forms, and includes, but is not limited to: Publicly harassing another member for posting in the wrong section or for posting a duplicate thread. Trolling Mocking another member. Posting "Facepalm," "Thread Derailed," "Fail," and "Spam" pictures/videos/comments. These are now an automatic 4 point infractions, and will result in being Silenced. Asking for reputation or experience. This is disrespectful to the system in place. Earn these, don't demand them. Swearing. This a family site. If in doubt, use a different word; there are lots of them. Abusing new members of our community, simply for making minor site/internet faux pas. Arguing with Staff over a disciplinary issue. Discourse is fine, anger and name-calling is not. Trying to take moderation issues into your own hands. It's okay to be helpful, but not bossy. If you see anyone else engaging in these antisocial behaviors, please remind yourself of the last item on that list. We have a report button to bring any potential issues to the attention of the staff. These are the times when a little bit of unfriendly sarcasm snowballs into a public brawl, which is the last thing anyone wants to see on the forums. Take two deep breaths, report it to the staff if a serious matter, and move on with your life. Let us reiterate: We love this site. We have no intention of turning LBPC into a police state - where's the fun in that!? Most of you will never, ever be directly affected by the measures listed above and can carry on acting the way you do now. However, for those of you who enjoy using the rest of this community as a punching bag, your time is up. The truth is, none of us staff actually like giving out infractions, and disciplining is the worst part of a moderator's job. We would all be much happier if we never had reason to infract anyone. We hope that by taking a hard line on those few who exhibit disrespectful and antisocial behaviour, we can bring this site a big step closer to that ideal and make it a better place for everyone who frequents these forums. We thank you in advance for your support and understanding in this matter. Sincerely, The LBPC Staff - ConfusedCartman, Aya042, schm0, Morgana25, and warlord_evil | 2010-09-30 02:32:00 Author: ConfusedCartman  Posts: 3729 |
| My name is comphermc, and I approve this message. Paid for by the Ad Council of ConfusedCartman, Inc. | 2010-09-30 02:32:00 Author: comphermc  Posts: 5338 |
Good call gents and lady.  I think we all can agree that LBPC is a special place and I'd like it to stay that way.  | 2010-09-30 02:41:00 Author: Morgana25  Posts: 5983 |
| This is going to be a great idea. | 2010-09-30 02:44:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| Nice! Thanks CC for this rules! Now there will only be good people here! | 2010-09-30 02:46:00 Author: shadow3596  Posts: 2442 |
| I really wanna post a fail comment just to see what happens :O Anyway, I was going on a rant a few days ago, do I have special privileges, or is it cause of LBPC: TG or was it cause I reported my own post or what? Eh. W/e Still, very nice, Spaff knows you need it. (cwatidudthar? It's like God but with Spaff... Meh w/e) Or we need it. But yeah, at any rate, you guys are awesome and stuff. Especially in dealing with people confronting you. I can't do that ;-; Tough but necessary since LBPC has gone to such huge heights, way different then the days of yonder... ... Am I rambling? Yes. Still, the point is, you do a good job. I honestly think each of you are crazy for doing all of this for no real reward. I like crazy <3 Edit: Ok, fine, I was talking more to the mods... CC technically does get the reward of all that experience and references and stuff for jobs and stuff. But the mods? totally crazy. | 2010-09-30 02:47:00 Author: RockSauron  Posts: 10882 |
| Keep up the good work. | 2010-09-30 02:51:00 Author: littlebigmeteor  Posts: 396 |
| Thank you, CC and Staff, for making this call. It is greatly appreciated. | 2010-09-30 02:59:00 Author: RickRock_777  Posts: 1567 |
| Can we still post "facepalm", and other silly internet memes in general chat? | 2010-09-30 03:03:00 Author: Deviantgeek  Posts: 386 |
| Thanks I Love This Site! It's Nice And I Want It To Stay Nice And Be As Good As It Can Be! This Post Was Sponsored By chinook3 | 2010-09-30 03:04:00 Author: chinook3  Posts: 453 |
| My name is comphermc, and I approve this message. Well I never!! I take issue with that statement and am a callin ya out!  Kidding!! Just kidding.. put down the ban hammer!! NO Wait! AAAAACCCKKK!!!  Actually quite a nice post up there CC, and like compher, I couldn't agree more. Things have lately gotten way out of control at times and I love there will be a bit more consequences to personal attacks and the like. It is one thing to have some discussion, but we should be able to remain civil. | 2010-09-30 03:05:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| ya i know some people who had a bad experience on this site and end up leaving. this a good idea | 2010-09-30 03:07:00 Author: HollieCat  Posts: 197 |
| Very good move... things were starting to get a bit out of hand, with the trolling and attacks... Thanks moderation team. | 2010-09-30 03:08:00 Author: Sage  Posts: 2068 |
| Sounds good. I can assume from what I have seen lately (and to some extent I also have posted) that this was needed. Aye. Onwards into the future of LBPC we go, I suppose. | 2010-09-30 03:09:00 Author: Fishrock123  Posts: 1578 |
| Tough? Yes. Necessary? For the most part. I see that further rules needed to be put in place, but I'm going to have to see how well this goes first; before I totally approve.Not to be rude or against your policy, just honest feedback from a pretty active, long enrolled member. I've seen hundreds, or thousands, of threads and have seen very, very few threads that have gone far off track. Sure, we've seen a few extra over the past month, although, I don't entirely agree that it should get much more strict than it was before. Increases are normal, and decreases inevitably follow. Most derailed threads branch (and feed) off of some lack of common sense. Really, that's just about it. If we, as a whole community put an extra 10% of thought into our posts, the forum would be squeaky clean, apart from those little fingerprints on the window that are the unavoidable derailed threads. Now, even after all that, I'm not saying, "Oh this policy is terrible." Not even close. This could, and probably will, make the forum a better place. I just don't want this to be the classroom where all the students are afraid to talk or joke around, because the class clown pulled one joke too far and got kicked out of class. Sometimes, the class really likes that class clown and didn't want to see him/her go... :[ Good luck with policy though. Seriously, I wish you and the community the best. | 2010-09-30 03:11:00 Author: piggabling  Posts: 2979 |
| good call CC I have been seeing a lot of chaos in LBPC and it need it to stop! Thanks again  | 2010-09-30 03:13:00 Author: Arnald23  Posts: 1843 |
| Wow, a lot to read but I read it, now I'm wondering if I post a picture that goes with my post does that make me spamming? Is it bad? Please answer me ASAP. I don't like being silenced. | 2010-09-30 03:15:00 Author: The-Questor  Posts: 1328 |
| Um, also, has this happened lately? Like a player putting down another player? never seen that happen before Also I think its mostly the new recruits that are getting bullied | 2010-09-30 03:16:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I had a funny encounter with the notification about this. I clicked settings, on my usual basis to see if people thanked my post, whether they found it helpful or funny when I saw the notification. I was like.. "Oh crud! I went and got myself in trouble  !". Then I realized it was changes to the rules, and I was all like, /face..oh wait. Oops! Don't hurt me! But yeah, not suprised by these rules. So much people flooding in, and with a huge amount of people like that there are gonna be some bad ones. Hopefully this works out well! | 2010-09-30 03:16:00 Author: Testudini  Posts: 3262 |
| Can we still post "facepalm", and other silly internet memes in general chat? Well, you can. But you won't like the outcome. Actually quite a nice post up there CC, and like compher, I couldn't agree more. It was pretty easy to agree with myself, if you catch my drift...  Consider this a group effort more than anything. | 2010-09-30 03:16:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| Sack panda is already happy about the rules | 2010-09-30 03:29:00 Author: Shadowriver  Posts: 3991 |
| Yep, good call Cc and mods, thats why I'm still here, we, as a community are devoted to something and we love it so much we're ready to--- OMG that panda sackboy is so cute! :3 err... yea I can't wait to see if LBPC will somewhat feel like the good ole' one Just A Big Family... | 2010-09-30 03:31:00 Author: Chump  Posts: 1712 |
| Can we still post "facepalm", and other silly internet memes in general chat? "Posting "Facepalm," "Thread Derailed," "Fail," and "Spam" pictures/ comments. These are now an automatic 4 point infractions, and will result in being Silenced." According to CC post, it doesn't look like it. | 2010-09-30 03:31:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Free sack-panda, since he's so cuuuute: http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1071/sackpanda.png http://www.mediamolecule.com/images/uploads/sad_panda.png + http://www.mediamolecule.com/images/uploads/sadpanda-hope.png = http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1071/sackpanda.png /Photoshop | 2010-09-30 03:34:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| Don't get me wrong, having order is a great idea and needs to be done as well as ridding the internet of trolls (the impossible task, mirite?). However, you talk about people trolling/harassing but then in the list of infractions you don't mention it once. I find that odd. You only really point out arguing with staff but nothing about arguing with members/flaming, etc. Maybe you just missed it? Also you have Piracy as the lowest infractable offense. Underneath something as trivial as Bumbing/Double Posting. :/ Personally I think the list needs some work, but the idea of the changes is welcome. | 2010-09-30 03:35:00 Author: RSQViper  Posts: 302 |
| Whilethese rules may ruin half of my funny posts, I think they are for the better. I've never witnessed a bad decision made by the mods yet so I'm all for it. | 2010-09-30 03:35:00 Author: The-Questor Posts: 1328 |
| However, you talk about people trolling/harassing but then in the list of infractions you don't mention it once. I find that odd. You only really point out arguing with staff but nothing about arguing with members/flaming, etc. Maybe you just missed it? Nope, not on the templates. We make a custom one for this, and under the new policy, it will likely get an automatic 4 points. | 2010-09-30 03:38:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| I agree with this, but it starts with the moderators themselves as well...as from what I've been told in PSN messages at times from LBPC users and such moderators like to go into a "sarcastic" way of speaking that confuses most users and this starts arguements and such...never been told names but I've seen it around a few times (not pointing anyone out) also that sarcasm goes with some members here to where a "joke" turns into an arguement and the victim takes that "joke" seriously and the whole thing escalates so with that said i think there needs to be something done about the sarcasm as well...not everyone that comes to this site is in a "joking" mood ya know and to add to this also warnings for people who like to correct grammar so much...not everyone in LBPC is a perfect english speaker and it's never a good idea to talk down to them for using incorrect spelling when you could simply help them out along the way...or if you understand the content then just simply reply to the content instead of flying into a rage fit over some text but so far i'm liking the direction this site is going in it's new moderation policy (well except the cursing...since we have word filters i thought that would be ok...i can understand instantly silencing for bypassing the word filter...but since foul language is censored i would assume that's fine as long as it's not in a hateful manner) but as i said im liking the new changes and hope this site becomes a little more calm then before | 2010-09-30 03:39:00 Author: Shadowcrazy  Posts: 3365 |
| Free sack-panda, since he's so cuuuute: http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1071/sackpanda.png http://www.mediamolecule.com/images/uploads/sad_panda.png + http://www.mediamolecule.com/images/uploads/sadpanda-hope.png = http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/1071/sackpanda.png /Photoshop I knew it! Sack Panda was photoshoped! Anyways, thanks for this new re-updated policy. However, one thing does concern me: sarcasm. Let's be honest, this place is littered with it, and we all use it for many purposes (talking, mocking, and commenting on trolling/funny stuff). So how exactly is that monitored? People can use sarcasm to go around the "no facepalms, spam, etc." rule by posting things like "Wow.... Best thread ever." and other nonsense. | 2010-09-30 03:44:00 Author: CyberSora  Posts: 5551 |
| heres a question lets say your internet crashes for a week or your on vacation cant you make a button that allows you to stay "paused" or in standby while you are gone? also where`d you get that sack panda picture its so cute!!!!! X3 | 2010-09-30 03:50:00 Author: Lgjoka2002 Posts: 538 |
Oh man with more strict mods and rules LBPC just won't be as lulz-y as it was  it's going to be hard to bring in chuckles and laughs to threads now. What if we manage to find a loophole? | 2010-09-30 03:52:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Oh man with more strict mods and rules LBPC just won't be as lulz-y as it was it's going to be hard to bring in chuckles and laughs to threads now. What if we manage to find a loophole? A loophole to what, finding a way to laugh? They aren't trying to restrict fun, just don't do it in the form of spammy images and what-not. | 2010-09-30 04:00:00 Author: warlord_evil  Posts: 4193 |
| Nope, not on the templates. We make a custom one for this, and under the new policy, it will likely get an automatic 4 points. I gotcha'. 4 points is good since that's what you're aiming at. | 2010-09-30 04:07:00 Author: RSQViper Posts: 302 |
| So what will happen if you SPAM twice? Will you get banned for the first? Or for both? | 2010-09-30 04:08:00 Author: The-Questor Posts: 1328 |
| Oh new question, can we still put "facepalm" and other meme pictures in Visitor Messages? To people we know? D: I leik sending Bremnen random pictures :C | 2010-09-30 04:10:00 Author: Unknown User |
| This stops now. ...and this is where I knew I would love the post. I agree, and couldn't have asked for a better stance on the situation. LBPC didn't always have so much useless spam, but I guess factors like the LBP2 hype and newer members are having large impacts on everything. Having to flip through pages of spam to find information is not what the news forums should be all about. Discussion threads are not for sarcastic cat or meme pictures. People seem to take any opportunity to spam when they get the chance, as long as everyone else is doing it. Every time someone breaks a site rule or unintentionally makes a fool of himself, that thread is pelted with spam while intelligent discussion threads are ignored. I also hope this means that threads won't be locked because of the actions of a small few. Cheers to clean posting, good conversation, rational discussion, a more serene environment, and a great place to talk about all that is LBP | 2010-09-30 04:24:00 Author: Incinerator22  Posts: 3251 |
| Oh man with more strict mods and rules LBPC just won't be as lulz-y as it was it's going to be hard to bring in chuckles and laughs to threads now. What if we manage to find a loophole? Not more strict, just more clarified. And when I hear you say "loophole" I interpret that to mean "custom infraction." Oh new question, can we still put "facepalm" and other meme pictures in Visitor Messages? To people we know? D: I leik sending Bremnen random pictures :C Rules are rules. That's why we offer private messages. If it's reportable, it's potentially infractable. | 2010-09-30 04:39:00 Author: schm0  Posts: 1239 |
| Not more strict, just more clarified. And when I hear you say "loophole" I interpret that to mean "custom infraction." Rules are rules. That's why we offer private messages. If it's reportable, it's potentially infractable. Thank you for answering my questions, but, what if your friend doesnt report it? Or is PM preferably the way to go? | 2010-09-30 04:45:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Thank you for answering my questions, but, what if your friend doesnt report it? Or is PM preferably the way to go? We would prefer that you refrain from any form of spam anywhere on the site. Keep in mind, anyone can view your visitor's messages. | 2010-09-30 04:46:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| I agree with this, but it starts with the moderators themselves as well... Fear not... there's no way we'd introduce changes like this without some self-evaluation and a commitment to hold ourselves to the same standards we expect of the rest of the community. so with that said i think there needs to be something done about the sarcasm as well...not everyone that comes to this site is in a "joking" mood ya know and to add to this also warnings for people who like to correct grammar so much...not everyone in LBPC is a perfect english speaker and it's never a good idea to talk down to them for using incorrect spelling when you could simply help them out along the way...or if you understand the content then just simply reply to the content instead of flying into a rage fit over some text Actually, there were originally specific paragraphs in there that dealt specifically with those very issues, but in the interests of brevity, they were cut back. However, both UNFRIENDLY sarcasm and correcting others' grammar both come under the headings of mocking other members/putting others down and pointing out those who make internet faux pas, etc.. So yeah, we will be cracking down on those. heres a question lets say your internet crashes for a week or your on vacation cant you make a button that allows you to stay "paused" or in standby while you are gone? I don't see what this has to do with this topic, sorry. :/ Oh man with more strict mods and rules LBPC just won't be as lulz-y as it was it's going to be hard to bring in chuckles and laughs to threads now. What if we manage to find a loophole? If you need to get lulz at the expense of others, then yes, it'll be less fun. Those of us who don't spam and indulge in sarcastic comments/memes seem to be able to have fun just fine. Stop by and I'll give you some pointers So what will happen if you SPAM twice? Will you get banned for the first? Or for both? We generally consider each case on an individual basis, taking into account the previous behaviour/attitudes and infractions of the member. We'd deal out whatever infraction we felt was appropriate to the member's understanding of site policy and blahblahblahblah... just don't do it, okay? A loophole to what, finding a way to laugh? They aren't trying to restrict fun, just don't do it in the form of spammy images and what-not. THANKYOU!! That is 100% correct! | 2010-09-30 04:50:00 Author: BabyDoll1970  Posts: 1567 |
| We would prefer that you refrain from any form of spam anywhere on the site. Keep in mind, anyone can view your visitor's messages. Thank you c: | 2010-09-30 04:50:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Ok, I love this. Things have kind of been getting out of hand lately and a bit of discipline never hurt... But because I am still not clear on this completely... I understand we cannot spam memes, such as "facepalm" and "fail". Can we post less sarcastic memes, if the post itself actually contributory to the overall topic/the meme serves to compound the message of the post, or is it "no memes, no exceptions"? I'm just asking, whatever it is, I'll make sure to follow. | 2010-09-30 05:00:00 Author: Astrosimi  Posts: 2046 |
| For the good of the LBP AND LBPC communities, let's keep the Internet a safe place for all sackfolk alike! | 2010-09-30 05:07:00 Author: xtremesackboy  Posts: 479 |
| Ok, I love this. Things have kind of been getting out of hand lately and a bit of discipline never hurt... But because I am still not clear on this completely... I understand we cannot spam memes, such as "facepalm" and "fail". Can we post less sarcastic memes, if the post itself actually contributory to the overall topic/the meme serves to compound the message of the post, or is it "no memes, no exceptions"? I'm just asking, whatever it is, I'll make sure to follow. A good way to measure this is to ask yourself if what you are posting is actually contributing to the thread in a substantive or contextual way. If the answer is "no" or "kinda-sorta" to any of those criteria, then it's potentially off-topic. And, as BabyDoll pointed out so very eloquently: We generally consider each case on an individual basis, taking into account the previous behaviour/attitudes and infractions of the member. We'd deal out whatever infraction we felt was appropriate to the member's understanding of site policy and blahblahblahblah... just don't do it, okay? | 2010-09-30 05:09:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| I'm a whale, therefore I have fins, therefore I can FACEFIN. Is that the same? Just kidding, I love all of you and I appreciate all the work the moderators and CC take. I know how hard it is since I was a moderator back in the old days, actually a few months ago but I wanted to make it sound epic. | 2010-09-30 05:13:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino  Posts: 5250 |
| Well hopefully this stops a lot of the crazy stuff. | 2010-09-30 05:14:00 Author: rseah  Posts: 2701 |
| I think this is a fantastic, absolutely fantastic idea. And nah, I don't see it becoming a police state. I see this making things more peaceful and fun. I'm a whale, therefore I have fins, therefore I can FACEFIN. Is that the same? Just kidding, I love all of you and I appreciate all the work the moderators and CC take. I know how hard it is since I was a moderator back in the old days, actually a few months ago but I wanted to make it sound epic. Your post made me laugh pretty hard. | 2010-09-30 05:24:00 Author: Ryhas  Posts: 179 |
| Oh man with more strict mods and rules LBPC just won't be as lulz-y as it was it's going to be hard to bring in chuckles and laughs to threads now. What if we manage to find a loophole? Fun at the expense of others only. General jokes and other funny stuff not meant to put others down should be still fine, right? | 2010-09-30 05:26:00 Author: Silverleon  Posts: 6707 |
| I'm glad something is being done about the unacceptable behavior of some members as of late. We all appreciate you guys' hard work to maintain the site and keep it clean, thanks for deciding to do this. Let's just hope it works! | 2010-09-30 05:28:00 Author: TheZimInvader  Posts: 3149 |
| Fun at the expense of others only. General jokes and other funny stuff not meant to put others down should be still fine, right? Yes, both jokes and fun are still allowed. (Unless you have a history of being completely unfunny.) | 2010-09-30 05:32:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| This should start tomorrow so we can all get FUUUUUU-, facepalm and others out of our systems with a bang xD or have memedays jk. So these rules take place......nao? So sudden D: | 2010-09-30 05:45:00 Author: Unknown User |
| FINALLY!! All those "facepalm" posts were getting really annoying : Double posting was starting to become a common thing *shivers* Oh the horror!! D: Well at least all those things will be over....I hope O.o | 2010-09-30 05:52:00 Author: Amigps  Posts: 564 |
| Altho, would it not be a good idea now to re-ad the spam can? I mean, not saying its because of that, but ever since it was 'deleted' was when all this started if I'm not mistaking. Maybe it was actually good as it contained all spam in one single area for all members to get all the spam they want there, and don't need to do so elsewhere? | 2010-09-30 05:53:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| I've had a lot of fun here. My # one internet destination. While I don't really believe these 'more clearly clarified rules more strictly enforced' are meant for or directed at me... I really have no idea what an acceptable post is anymore! And now apparently-- its important to know which moderator is 'on' and where their 'particular' sensitivities lie. Case in point. I love Comphermc as a creator. I like him as a friend. I found his first post offensive and irrelevent, but figure, you guys have been dealing with a lot of stuff lately so... I look the other way. Then his next post is a bunch of malarkey about pandas! Someone help me out here, cause my post expressing I felt like crap over a three month lbp2 delay was moderated YET you let Moderators run roughshot over the rabble and abuse those same rules? Often, as is the case, (though not in mine) quite sarcasticly to boot! Now I'm all for this I really am, but can someone please explain to me how either of these posts can not be considered spam? They add absolutely nothing to the topic and in all "truthiness" run in direct violation of the official policy just stated directly preceeding. Maybe I don't understand what spam is... but I really don't think it should matter who's posting it-- now should it? Comphs' victorius self-serving post is no different than those "I got TEH BETTORZ" we all love-- upon reading I feel somehow unworthy like a bad dog who just got my nose rubbed in it... If someone, (like say Inanimacy) posted the same thing-- (not just the sentiment) I think he'd already be silenced... yet Compher recieves THANKS on what I view as a silly, ridiculous, unwarranted post by a moderator. I might even say it's a 'fun' post. Yet I've already discovered that fun is not guaranteed nor equal. I really just hope EVERYONE puts a little more thought into their posts... And please, I'm not siding with anyone here or drawing any lines in the sand... Inanimacy walks a line I am far to afraid and care not to tread... nor do I mean to single-out anyone... My apologies to both of my examples (especially Comph) my intent is not to portray anyone in an unfavourable light... I'm just saddened and confused. I come here for fun. And am a little confused as to what we are actually saying here... what it means... and who it applies to. It is my personal fear it is already to late. :hrmf: | 2010-09-30 05:58:00 Author: Gravel  Posts: 1308 |
| Well I think this policy is completely dumb and that the mods can just [+4 pts] Also, you should all play my new level: [+4 pts] And let me tell you, there's this guy on the site named Sehven who is such an idiot and he's always putting down other creators and hijacking threads to plug his levels [+4 pts] I.... uh.... can't really think of a joking way to bypass the word filter without... you know... actually bypassing the filter.... so um.... d@rn!! Yes, both jokes and fun are still allowed. (Unless you have a history of being completely unfunny.) Oh. Guess I'd better start packing my bags now.In all seriousness, this is probably a good policy. I hadn't seen much trouble (except for that which I caused) but I've been told that it's gotten pretty bad here and there. I've always loved how civilized this site is and it's good to see that steps are being taken to keep it that way... and.... I'll um... try to behave myself better in the future. :blush: Just to be clear, that first part was meant to be funny and I don't actually have a problem with the policy or have a new level to promote and I think that Sehven guy is pretty cool. | 2010-09-30 05:59:00 Author: Sehven  Posts: 2188 |
| Thanks CC & Spaff! I've noticed alot of Name-Calling & Mocking and sometimes i would be the Victim! And i think it's a great idea what you're doing, Making the site a better place, So the only people that will be on this site is, Polite, Respectful, Nice, Respectful Of Other's Opinions, Knowing that some people just don't know about something but it doesn't mean that they're not Smart, They just don't know. So Thank Spaff & CC Sooooo Much! You Guys are the best! | 2010-09-30 06:10:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I have never really encountered any flame war around here... Maybe I always stayed on the safe side of the forum. Wait we don't get to do "yo mama" jokes? D'awwww Just kidding I am all up for the new rules, I do not want any unreasonable fighting anywhere so | 2010-09-30 06:58:00 Author: moonwire  Posts: 1627 |
| I've had a lot of fun here. My # one internet destination. While I don't really believe these 'more clearly clarified rules more strictly enforced' are meant for or directed at me... I really have no idea what an acceptable post is anymore! And now apparently-- its important to know which moderator is 'on' and where their 'particular' sensitivities lie. Case in point. I love Comphermc as a creator. I like him as a friend. I found his first post offensive and irrelevent, but figure, you guys have been dealing with a lot of stuff lately so... I look the other way. Then his next post is a bunch of malarkey about pandas! Someone help me out here, cause my post expressing I felt like crap over a three month lbp2 delay was moderated YET you let Moderators run roughshot over the rabble and abuse those same rules? Often, as is the case, (though not in mine) quite sarcasticly to boot! Now I'm all for this I really am, but can someone please explain to me how either of these posts can not be considered spam? They add absolutely nothing to the topic and in all "truthiness" run in direct violation of the official policy just stated directly preceeding. Maybe I don't understand what spam is... but I really don't think it should matter who's posting it-- now should it? Comphs' victorius self-serving post is no different than those "I got TEH BETTORZ" we all love-- upon reading I feel somehow unworthy like a bad dog who just got my nose rubbed in it... If someone, (like say Inanimacy) posted the same thing-- (not just the sentiment) I think he'd already be silenced... yet Compher recieves THANKS on what I view as a silly, ridiculous, unwarranted post by a moderator. I might even say it's a 'fun' post. Yet I've already discovered that fun is not guaranteed nor equal. I really just hope EVERYONE puts a little more thought into their posts... And please, I'm not siding with anyone here or drawing any lines in the sand... Inanimacy walks a line I am far to afraid and care not to tread... nor do I mean to single-out anyone... My apologies to both of my examples (especially Comph) my intent is not to portray anyone in an unfavourable light... I'm just saddened and confused. I come here for fun. And am a little confused as to what we are actually saying here... what it means... and who it applies to. It is my personal fear it is already to late. :hrmf: I honestly think the issue is you're just not understanding the point we're trying to convey. Ignoring all the rules, all the infractions, all the point values and lengths of time each lasts, essentially what it all boils down to is this: does your post constructively contribute to the discussion at hand in a positive way? If it does, you've literally got nothing to worry about. This is why we feel 95% of our members will never have to concern themselves with the changes we've enacted - all we're doing is ensuring we more effectively crack down on posts that don't constructively and positively contribute. The pointless one-picture replies and other spam, basically - the things that we couldn't really ever silence/ban for consistently because of the way the old system was designed. Before, you could spam fairly frequently without ever being punished - you'd have to literally become a nuisance to the point that we took notice and dealt a punishment manually. Now, if you spam regularly, it will eventually come back to bite you because, this time, infractions stick with you for much longer. That, coupled with higher point values and smaller requirements for various ban lengths, all come together to ensure that those who knew how to work around our old system won't be able to do so any longer. Like we said before, we're not excited about disciplining anyone - in our perfect world, we wouldn't need mods (sorry guys! I still love you! ) because everyone would contribute well, contribute often, behave themselves, and be respectful of others all the time. Sadly, that's just not how it is, so we have to make sure we've got systems in place that enforce good behavior as often as possible.We're always working to make these systems less infringing on most members' "day-to-day" while still retaining their efficacy, and I think this is definitely a step in the right direction. Think about it like this: if we do our jobs right and you're already a positive member of our community (I'd say your respectful concern about these changes proves you are), out of this deal you're getting less spam in each thread, more people contributing to the topic at hand, and better overall forum behavior, all without having to change anything about how you personally behave on the forum. Sounds like a good deal to me! ---------- In terms of staff accountability, I don't think we'd ever expect the users to adhere to any standard we weren't OK with adhering to ourselves. None of comphermc's posts in this thread would be considered spam by our measure - they're all related to the topic. Though it is a bit more indirectly related than the others, even the Panda post would be OK. It's just him providing that photo for others to use, since it had to be made in Photoshop. There will always be a grey area in terms of what is considered spam and what isn't. Some posts will always be more or less related to the topic than others. The difference between a post that leans off-topic and a post that is spam is simple: spam doesn't contribute (and, in some cases, does damage) to the thread. You could remove the "spam" post with zero impact to the flow or discussion of the remainder of the topic. You couldn't manage the same with posts that are simply considered "more unrelated" than others - they will always be left alone given they still manage to contribute in a positive way. One final word, before I sign off for the night: if I can be perfectly honest, it irritates me that some would think our mods aren't willing or able to adhere to the standards they're enforcing. I take that as a personal insult. I choose staff members based on a number of factors, and it's a nightmare ensuring new additions are familiar with the rules they're tasked with enforcing on a day-to-day basis. The team we have now is an awesome set of dedicated, intelligent people, who honestly want nothing but the best for the community (why else would they work so **** hard for literally nothing?), so it rattles me a bit when I hear that some think they might be trying to subvert the system they worked to hard to build up. It's not like these rules are insane expectations we pulled out of a hat - they're basic decencies. They're not at all difficult to follow. In fact, I already manage to adhere to them on a daily basis, as does the entire LBPCentral staff and the huge majority of our community, so there's actually not much going on in terms of real change. There's only a very small group of people who'll feel impacted by these changes, and that's the intended result anyway. | 2010-09-30 07:02:00 Author: ConfusedCartman Posts: 3729 |
| Publicly harassing another member for posting in the wrong section or for posting a duplicate thread. Trolling Mocking another member. Posting "Facepalm," "Thread Derailed," "Fail," and "Spam" pictures/ comments. These are now an automatic 4 point infractions, and will result in being Silenced. Asking for reputation or experience. This is disrespectful to the system in place. Earn these, don't demand them. Swearing. This a family site. If in doubt, use a different word; there are lots of them. Abusing new members of our community, simply for making minor site/internet faux pas. Arguing with Staff over a disciplinary issue. Discourse is fine, anger and name-calling is not. Trying to take moderation issues into your own hands. It's okay to be helpful, but not bossy. So we're now not allowed to tell someone they have posted in the wrong area? That sounds... sensible? Automatic 4 point infractions for NOTHING? That sounds... utterly retarded. Who the hell asks for rep/exp anyway? They sound... stupid. Swearing in censored anyway, so banning it sounds... pointless If i want to argue with the staff, i shall. If i disagree with their reasoning for giving an infraction out, i have every right to tell them what i think. If someone does something that needs moderation, telling them that 'x' isn't allowed isn't 'taking moderation into out own hands' and being 'bossy', because their fail has made it worse for other users, someone has to tell them. I don't understand why you have bothered, in all honesty. I never saw a problem in the first place. Although, maybe you should bring back the Spam Can. That's sensible, right? | 2010-09-30 07:10:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Ever heard of the Magna Carta? Don't you think you're being a little dramatic? We're talking about an internet forum here. The absolute worst that could happen is that you *gasp* won't be able to post on a lbp site. I just don't want the number of infractions to get out of hand, to the point where a quarter of our active members are muted at a time. Thank you. CC has specifically said that they DON'T want to get all heavy handed with this: they're just trying to keep things from getting out of hand. | 2010-09-30 07:15:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188 |
| Don't you think you're being a little dramatic? We're talking about an internet forum here. The absolute worst that could happen is that you *gasp* won't be able to post on a lbp site. CC has specifically said that they DON'T want to get all heavy handed with this: they're just trying to keep things from getting out of hand. Things haven't got out of hand. This is stupid. | 2010-09-30 07:21:00 Author: Unknown User |
| So we're now not allowed to tell someone they have posted in the wrong area? That sounds... sensible? You won't get points just for politely explaining the rules to someone: they just don't want us jumping all over people for every little thing. Swearing in censored anyway, so banning it sounds... pointless $ure 3ut yoo c@nn fynd w@ys @r0und teh w0rd f1lt3rs. Don't do that. If i want to argue with the staff, i shall. If i disagree with their reasoning for giving an infraction out, i have every right to tell them what i think. Go for it, but keep it polite and respectful and don't attempt to undermine their authority. If in doubt, send them a pm rather than posting in a publicly viewable thread. It's not that hard to be an independent thinker or whatever without being rude. Things haven't got out of hand. And now they won't. Isn't that nice? This is stupid. Careful. I haven't seen much of this nonsense (apart from the shameless level plugs I seem to work into every post I make in everybody's threads), but there has been some in the lbp2 beta threads specifically (not the closed beta forum, but the thread announcing the beta: there was a lot of spam in that one), and I agree that it needs to stay reigned in. Seriously, it's just about using common sense and common courtesy and maybe being a little bit more mature than the internet as a whole. | 2010-09-30 07:27:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188 |
| I certainly approve it, though I think that the MOD's tasks will be harder. I hope this will also mean less of abused sarcasm and a bit more of patience from both parts. And I wish to everyone a more serene experience. | 2010-09-30 07:39:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Ja wohl mein Fuhrer! Um, I mean...indeed. A draconian regime of hard, uncomprimising discipline is exactly what's needed in this lawless backwater hellhole. | 2010-09-30 08:21:00 Author: Ungreth  Posts: 2130 |
| [B]While I don't really believe these 'more clearly clarified rules more strictly enforced' are meant for or directed at me... I really have no idea what an acceptable post is anymore! And now apparently-- its important to know which moderator is 'on' and where their 'particular' sensitivities lie. Hi Gravel - and thanks for your thoughtful comments. My response to your concerns about moderator sensitivities is this - It's no different than it has always been. We have a basic set of rules and certain contexts which we discuss often in the staffroom, and for the most part we are all on the same page. We often discuss our infraction decisions with each other to make sure we're being fair. We've discussed these new infraction penalties (based on feedback we've received from the community about their experience here at the moment) and so while there is indeed a degree of personal interpretation in choosing the penalty for rule breaking, that has always been the case. No, these changes are not directed at you at all. The group we are aiming this at is really quite small, but they have been pervasive and many of our good members have been suffering as a result. There is bound to be some periods of adjustment, but as stated, we are happy to discuss these with you on a case by case basis if you are unsure. Here's something that might be helpful to your question about posting. This is a definition of trolling from Wikipedia and it's pretty comprehensive. "In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into a desired emotional response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion." Of course, I'm not saying you're a troll! But rules about trolling and being off-topic have always existed here, they just haven't been enforced as rigorously and the result has been threads where you have to wade through pages of nonsense to get to any actual content (as Incinerator pointed out). Almost every thread ends up like something from General Chat! Lol! For those who have actual content to discuss, that can be a tad frustrating. I think schm0 and CC described it quite well in that if a post is useful, and contributes to the conversation, then it's okay. I know what you're referring to there Case in point. I love Comphermc as a creator. I like him as a friend. I found his first post offensive and irrelevent, but figure, you guys have been dealing with a lot of stuff lately so... I look the other way. I'm sure comph can answer this himself, but if I can add a bit of context perhaps... While this has indeed been a group initiative - with constant input and discussion between all members of staff - comph was the one who initially put the article (and the artwork) together, based on our discussions. The rest of us then chopped, changed, added, subtracted and pushed and pulled it, of course, and then he pulled it all back together into publishable form, ready for CC's scrutiny, input and approval We've been anxiously sitting on this article for a while now, just waiting for a green light on all fronts and we're all pretty excited that it has finally happened. I read his first post as an expression of his enthusiasm and relief (and I thanked him there for his efforts and enthusiasm). Hopefully my perspective helps put it in another light?And am a little confused as to what we are actually saying here... what it means... and who it applies to. It is my personal fear it is already to late. :hrmf: Hopefully your fears will be allayed very soon In actual fact, we started rolling out these changes over a week ago and so far it seems to be working quite well. The proof of the pudding is in the eating, I guess, so we'll all see how this effects the site over the next little while. The main focus is to stop the nastiness that's been going on (and the threads full of nonsense spam). But we'd also ask that people please bear with us while we settle into it all properly. As I said, discussion is welcome I think Gravel hit the nail right on the nail head right there. These rules should apply to all... I mean not to offend anyone, I wholeheartedly agree with what is being put into place here, but I just don't want the number of infractions to get out of hand, to the point where a quarter of our active members are muted at a time. Thank you. Yes, the rules should apply to everyone, and I'm sure we'll all be pulling our socks up every now and then - we are as human as the rest of you! And I wouldn't worry about your last point there. As I said, this has already been in effect for a week and a bit, and from my perspective it seems to be working. Some of our more notorious... er... proponents of this kind of anti-social behaviour have been responding quite well knowing that their behaviour has more serious consequences. Most of the people here are very good and once we're all in the swing of it, I think we'll see positive results and possibly even more active participation from those we know of who are currently too intimidated by site bullies to post. So we're now not allowed to tell someone they have posted in the wrong area? That sounds... sensible? You can tell them (if you must), but do it nicely and without making them feel like an idiot. New members find the forums daunting. This also implies that once someone has pointed that out in a helpful, friendly manner, we do not then need another 5 people to then point out the same mistake, as is common practice here for some unknown reason. OR you can also just report it and we can move it. Simple. Automatic 4 point infractions for NOTHING? That sounds... utterly retarded. There are no infractions given out for nothing. Who the hell asks for rep/exp anyway? They sound... stupid. It happens quite frequently. Some people even make duplicate accounts in order to thank themselves and accumulate rep, but we always catch them and shut them down. My point is, just because you don't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. If i want to argue with the staff, i shall. If i disagree with their reasoning for giving an infraction out, i have every right to tell them what i think. If someone does something that needs moderation, telling them that 'x' isn't allowed isn't 'taking moderation into out own hands' and being 'bossy', because their fail has made it worse for other users, someone has to tell them. Of course people are welcome to tell us what they think, it's the manner that we are concerned with. And as for that last part of the quote.. well.. I hope your perspective on that changes long before you decide to father any children... :/ I don't understand why you have bothered, in all honesty. I never saw a problem in the first place. Of course you didn't. As you and I have discussed previously, your idea of having fun on the forum is vastly different to most of the members here. So my advice to you, and any others that potentially share your philosophy of dealing with others and have trouble understanding the need for these changes, is that it might be beneficial to find another forum where you can indulge that behaviour to your heart's content. Because this is not the place for it and you can't have your fun at others' expense any more. | 2010-09-30 08:34:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| I don't understand why you have bothered, in all honesty. I never saw a problem in the first place. Although, maybe you should bring back the Spam Can. That's sensible, right? Yeh I have to agree, the only thing was that LBPC3 thread and a few inb4 posts.. Oh well. I hope your perspective on that changes long before you decide to father any children... Ehh.. Also 4 points for one spam post? Seriously, thats a bit extreme. | 2010-09-30 09:07:00 Author: Boomy  Posts: 3701 |
| I just feel like it's a bit overkill that we can't post nonsense to each other via VM. I love posting random pictures and facepalms and all that good stuff to my good friends here at LBPC, not in threads but in Visitor Messages. Sure other people can see it but why should that mean we can't post it? It's a one on one discussion between A and B, if C comes in to be nosy why should we be punished? And sure Private Messaging is an option, but then why have Visitor Messaging in the first place? Everyone can Private Message, the point I'm making is sending a VM is much faster and you can have a conversation constantly going back and forth. Private Messaging makes it real sluggish. Gettit? | 2010-09-30 09:08:00 Author: Whalio Cappuccino Posts: 5250 |
| I just feel like it's a bit overkill that we can't post nonsense to each other via VM. I love posting random pictures and facepalms and all that good stuff to my good friends here at LBPC, not in threads but in Visitor Messages. Sure other people can see it but why should that mean we can't post it? It's a one on one discussion between A and B, if C comes in to be nosy why should we be punished? And sure Private Messaging is an option, but then why have Visitor Messaging in the first place? Everyone can Private Message, the point I'm making is sending a VM is much faster and you can have a conversation constantly going back and forth. Private Messaging makes it real sluggish. Gettit? I get what you're saying and for the most part, if it's not intended as a put down or unkindly, then VM images and whatnot are unlikely to ever get reported. The forums are our main focus. Most of the reported VM posts we get are from the members who have been insulted on their page or those who have seen inappropriate content such as language or images that are offensive, so look.. while clogging up the site with all sorts of spam pics is not ideal, you can rest assured we're not going to come patrolling peoples' VM pages looking for them. Just use your common sense, really, about what/what not to post on VMs. Hope that helps EDIT: Yeh I have to agree, the only thing was that LBPC3 thread and a few inb4 posts.. Oh well. Also 4 points for one spam post? Seriously, thats a bit extreme. Sorry, Boomy, didn't see this before I posted above... Firstly, as I said to Alex, just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not happening. And if I can once and for all establish this before we get more "I've never seen any of this" comments - hopefully you can all appreciate that we moderators see the site in a different and more comprehensive way than regular members do. We're not making stuff up. If we say it's going on, please believe that it's going on. And 4 points are handed out at the discretion of the moderator. Post history is taken into account. Sometimes a hard ball is what some people need in order to get the message, alas. But by the same token, a brand new member who posts spam is unlikely to get hit with a 4 pointer, obviously. We're not fools | 2010-09-30 09:20:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| Good work Hope the Mods can keep up | 2010-09-30 10:24:00 Author: jeperty  Posts: 486 |
| So we're now not allowed to tell someone they have posted in the wrong area? That sounds... sensible? Automatic 4 point infractions for NOTHING? That sounds... utterly retarded. Who the hell asks for rep/exp anyway? They sound... stupid. Swearing in censored anyway, so banning it sounds... pointless If i want to argue with the staff, i shall. If i disagree with their reasoning for giving an infraction out, i have every right to tell them what i think. If someone does something that needs moderation, telling them that 'x' isn't allowed isn't 'taking moderation into out own hands' and being 'bossy', because their fail has made it worse for other users, someone has to tell them. I don't understand why you have bothered, in all honesty. I never saw a problem in the first place. Although, maybe you should bring back the Spam Can. That's sensible, right? I have no problems with you disagreeing with the system in place. However, in the first post... Healthy, respectful debate can further knowledge and understanding, but the manner in which that disagreement or debate is expressed is the issue, and it is where we commonly witness the biggest problem. The language you have chosen to express your disagreement is aggressive and offensive, while being packaged in a shell of negativity. These are the sorts of things we have a problem with. Prior to your post, Gravel posted a response in a similar vein questioning a few of the moderation policies. He did so respectfully, and thus we cannot be upset by his words. The manner in which you post suggests that you are simply out to test the limits of the rules... to see what you can get away with. It's very counterproductive to whole system in place, and thus it won't go unnoticed. If you push the rules, expect the rules to push back; I can tell you which of them is able to push harder. | 2010-09-30 11:03:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| So basically, everyone must post squeaky-clean posts from now on with a squeaky-clean attitude? That's actually brilliant, dictator-like, and so needed now, although a bit harsh on some parts. I hope this knocks out those down-putting sarcastic posts that some members spout out. And while I'm here, I can finally get this question I've been asking on other sites outta my system. Hopefully a mod can explain this. I am well-aware of the double-posting rule and have been wondering about this. Okay, say that you've made a thread and you are the last to post in it after replying to the last poster. Over time, no one else posts for a long, long time, weeks even, and you have something to add (art and creativity/level showcase wise). Is it a bad thing to double post on your own thread, even if it is a new piece of art you just want to show or a new feature added to your levels? | 2010-09-30 12:05:00 Author: siberian_ninja15  Posts: 444 |
| Posting "Facepalm," "Thread Derailed," "Fail," and "Spam" pictures/ comments. These are now an automatic 4 point infractions, and will result in being Silenced. finally. | 2010-09-30 12:08:00 Author: oldage  Posts: 2824 |
| And while I'm here, I can finally get this question I've been asking on other sites outta my system. Hopefully a mod can explain this. I am well-aware of the double-posting rule and have been wondering about this. Okay, say that you've made a thread and you are the last to post in it after replying to the last poster. Over time, no one else posts for a long, long time, weeks even, and you have something to add (art and creativity/level showcase wise). Is it a bad thing to double post on your own thread, even if it is a new piece of art you just want to show or a new feature added to your levels? I'm pretty sure somewhere in the site rules it says that that's fine. Here we go you may make two consecutive posts in the same thread only if you have new, substantial information to add, which you feel is necessary for others to see, and a reasonable amount of time has passed since making the previous post. Just a little something to add to the 'I never see this happen' thingy. I never saw the LBP3 thread at all and I was online at the time. Anyway I think this new policy will be great since I, for some crazy reason, absolutely hate memes. | 2010-09-30 12:32:00 Author: SR20DETDOG  Posts: 2431 |
| And while I'm here, I can finally get this question I've been asking on other sites outta my system. Hopefully a mod can explain this. I am well-aware of the double-posting rule and have been wondering about this. Okay, say that you've made a thread and you are the last to post in it after replying to the last poster. Over time, no one else posts for a long, long time, weeks even, and you have something to add (art and creativity/level showcase wise). Is it a bad thing to double post on your own thread, even if it is a new piece of art you just want to show or a new feature added to your levels? Yes, like SR20DETDOG has said, you'll find the answer to that in the Site Rules, point number 5, which says - "On a related note, please avoid double posting and creating duplicate threads. You may make two consecutive posts in the same thread only if you have new, substantial information to add, which you feel is necessary for others to see, and a reasonable amount of time has passed since making the previous post. Otherwise, please edit your previous post. So the reasons you have given for posting in your thread would be acceptable. Edit: Oooo, darn it! he just beat me to it with his edit! But at least you've also now heard it from a mod. | 2010-09-30 12:37:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| *Begins packing bags* EDIT: Actually, I feel I should go into depth here. This takes a sensible policy change and wraps it in slime so disgusting that I feel I have no choice but to leave. The slime in question is the no facepalm rule. This is a fair rule when not taken to such a high extent - I could see two-point infractions for every image only post, with no comment. THAT would consist of spam. But, if I want to post a facepalm image and then help someone out, should I be punished for it? This is classic zero-tolerance nazi modding at work. ... This can only get worse from here, and so I'm leaving while I can. Goodbye LBPC. | 2010-09-30 12:38:00 Author: Voltergeist  Posts: 1702 |
| That's exactly what I needed to hear er read. That's a load off my shoulders. Thanks a lot! | 2010-09-30 12:45:00 Author: siberian_ninja15 Posts: 444 |
| Great new policy guys! | 2010-09-30 12:53:00 Author: X-FROGBOY-X  Posts: 1800 |
| *Begins packing bags* EDIT: Actually, I feel I should go into depth here. This takes a sensible policy change and wraps it in slime so disgusting that I feel I have no choice but to leave. The slime in question is the no facepalm rule. This is a fair rule when not taken to such a high extent - I could see two-point infractions for every image only post, with no comment. THAT would consist of spam. But, if I want to post a facepalm image and then help someone out, should I be punished for it? This is classic zero-tolerance nazi modding at work. ... This can only get worse from here, and so I'm leaving while I can. Goodbye LBPC. That's quite a dramatic post. Couldn't you just think of posting the facepalm pic but keep it to yourself? Whatever question it is that someone asked that you're going to help them out with can't be worthy of a facepalm if the person is trying to learn. In one of my classrooms at school there's a poster stuck up on the wall, it's my favourite, and says something along the lines of. "The most foolish question is the one that isn't asked." | 2010-09-30 12:59:00 Author: SR20DETDOG Posts: 2431 |
| So we're now not allowed to tell someone they have posted in the wrong area? That sounds... sensible? It says publicly harassing another member for posting in the wrong area. If you do it nicely, there isn't a problem. It's just a matter of being helpful rather than harassing someone. However, if you get your kicks from harassing people, then you have a problem regardless of the consequences this site might have in store for you. | 2010-09-30 12:59:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Always interesting to read rules that I'll never break. Don't worry guys, only people who want to make trouble will get punished. All of this is common sense really, It's like getting your driving permit or license. Who actually reads the whole book? I'm fine and the footpath is a good driving spot as far as I'm concern, cops haven't pulled me over for it so it must be OK. | 2010-09-30 13:06:00 Author: PPp_Killer  Posts: 449 |
| *Begins packing bags* EDIT: Actually, I feel I should go into depth here. This takes a sensible policy change and wraps it in slime so disgusting that I feel I have no choice but to leave. The slime in question is the no facepalm rule. This is a fair rule when not taken to such a high extent - I could see two-point infractions for every image only post, with no comment. THAT would consist of spam. But, if I want to post a facepalm image and then help someone out, should I be punished for it? This is classic zero-tolerance nazi modding at work. This can only get worse from here, and so I'm leaving while I can. Goodbye LBPC. Well, stepping back from the overreaction there for a second... did you ever stop to think about the message you're sending other members with 'facepalm' pics? It's not complimentary, nor is it helpful. It's basically insinuating that the person you're referring to is an idiot or has done something idiotic/embarrassing. Why can't you just be helpful without the putdown pics first? Why is that such an essential part of your forum experience? And it's rife here and needs something serious in order to stop it. While I understand it will interfere to a degree with how some of our members, like yourself, prefer to interact, I'm afraid that the negative effects of facepalm pics (and such) on the people they are aimed at and the community at large, is a higher priority than members like yourself getting enjoyment out of posting them. Honestly, if that's too much to ask of you, then it would be a shame, but maybe you might be better off moving on. Either way, it's your choice. We're just tired of people being picked on. | 2010-09-30 13:24:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| Posting "Facepalm," "Thread Derailed," "Fail," and "Spam" pictures/ comments. These are now an automatic 4 point infractions, and will result in being Silenced. I don't do that, but those are funny, I'm going to miss them. However, maybe this will bring back some of our members who left to go to LBN. I'm looking at you swanbrown. | 2010-09-30 13:25:00 Author: Super_Dork_42  Posts: 1874 |
| Is it spam to send messages to your friends wanting them to look at your level? | 2010-09-30 13:27:00 Author: Emogotsaone  Posts: 1030 |
| I suppose my first post was a bit over dramatic... I'll try to make my point clearer. I think this is a good rule in general, but may be pushed too far. Here's an example: If I forget to back up my data and my save gets corrupted, should I be punished for posting "'facepalm.jpg' I can't believe I forgot to back up everything! Noooooo...." My suggestion for this rule would be a restatement: Use of fail, facepalm, or spam pictures to harrass other members will result in an automatic four point infraction. I think it would make more sense, and be more in keeping with the intent of this - because honestly, I can't understand how a zero-tolerance no reaction image rule would help anything. This step in and of itself is not such a big deal. It is the long-term results I'm worried about - this sort of step has, in my past forum experience, led to drastic measures later on that ruin the forum for everyone. That's why I reacted as such - because I LOVE this forum, and I don't want to see it go down that path. But who knows, maybe LBPC will be the exception. | 2010-09-30 13:47:00 Author: Voltergeist Posts: 1702 |
| As stated earlier, B3, moderators have discretion over which posts have earned 4 point infractions. The context you put that in would be fine EXCEPT (and here's the problem) even if you were aiming the facepalm pic at yourself, members who tend to skim across the forums, not really paying attention (you know, the ones who ask the same question that was answered like 2 posts before) will see it and go "hey! if he can use it, so can I!" - not stopping to even consider the context. Then there are also those who will choose to take the route of arguing that if it can be used in that context then it should be admissible in this one and this one and this one, etc. It's an image that causes problems and so we need to have a blanket rule where that is concerned. I'm sure you can express your horror at not backing up your data without having to resort to internet images, no? | 2010-09-30 13:55:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| So are all reaction images banned? If not, I think I can stay... for now. For example, this? /bashbashbash/ http://www.littlestcomputershop.com/images/c-bash.gif | 2010-09-30 13:58:00 Author: Voltergeist Posts: 1702 |
| If people skim over posts they should have to suffer the consequences, not us.. Also if mod discretion is a factor perhaps that should be included in the first post. | 2010-09-30 14:02:00 Author: Boomy Posts: 3701 |
| If people skim over posts they should have to suffer the consequences, not us.. Well, that's true to an extent, but if anything, the entire community is now suffering the consequences (if you choose to look at it that way) of dozens and dozens of people who have upset other people (and made extra work for us) by posting those kinds of pics in the first place. :/ Also if mod discretion is a factor perhaps that should be included in the first post. Actually, it's the first thing you see when you open the 'Default Infractions' spoiler in the OP. | 2010-09-30 14:25:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| I meant mainly for the 4 point issue that is clearly a problem for a lot of people. I'm guessing as so many people have brought it up, making a bigger deal of it would be sensible. | 2010-09-30 14:31:00 Author: Boomy Posts: 3701 |
| Nice, but i'm going to miss the lolcats Joruto posts... | 2010-09-30 14:38:00 Author: Jonaolst  Posts: 935 |
| Same with me. Great to see action being taken on little problems like this. However, i read that swearing is part of an offence. Does this now mean any manner of mild language is banned too? EDIT: Sorry to edit your post, Solid_Snake-38, but it's a legitimate question and I didn't want my response to you to get lost down the track... The language filters and what is considered swearing hasn't changed at all. You might find we take a harder line on certain types of name calling or derogatory terms, but as long as you're not insulting anybody, you have no need to worry | 2010-09-30 15:42:00 Author: Solid_Snake-38 Posts: 17 |
| Gravel posted a response in a similar vein questioning a few of the moderation policies. He did so respectfully, and thus we cannot be upset by his words. I sincerely hope this is the case and fully understand you are tasked with a near impossible job-- and I respect you all for it. I have never posted a meme. Do not know what it's short for, and have no need for them. I don't find them particularly offensive either. Conversely, I can not stand TEH INTERNETZ SPEAK. Can we do something about that? It generally accompanies pointless posts. Additionally, aren't smileys a form or atleast a variation of the meme. A visual representation of a sentiment? If that is the case, then I see smileys as a serious loophole to these changes. Incidentally, why exactly are there (for lack of a better term) sad-smileys? Or negative post Icons for that fact? Without much thought, (if I were the type), I'm sure I could get my unscroupules agenda across loud and clear without ever typing an objectionable word. (And it would hurt more than a facepalm pic I'd seen posted a thousand times.) Finally, Where's Rawksauron? Is it true this is just free advertising for LBPTG? (...Just cant help noticing there are some paralells between this, and that fabled oft-delayed work of Art.) | 2010-09-30 16:01:00 Author: Gravel Posts: 1308 |
| Other people have made breathless posts about tyranny. Allow me to make one about community. Confused Cartman helped build something awesome, at 15 years old, basically with his BARE EXPLETIVE DELETED HANDS. With the elusive ninja "lbp", he made a website so we could be freed of the tyranny of Cool Pages. I know many other internet communities have arisen to fill that need, but this one is the one I choose to throw money at. One thing does concern me: sarcasm. People can use sarcasm to go around the "no facepalms, spam, etc." rule by posting things like "Wow.... Best thread ever." and other nonsense. What if we manage to find a loophole? I would say that most of us here are here to improve our LBP experience, and make friends doing it. This site is a tool for that. Some of us will use it for what it was made it for. Some of us will try to use it to Win At The Internet - something that I don't think is possible, but I still see people try to do. If loopholes and sarcasm, for their own sake, constitute a win for you, you may be trying to Win At The Internet, and I bet you could use that brain power curing cancer, or making an awesome level. Fear not... there's no way we'd introduce changes like this without some self-evaluation and a commitment to hold ourselves to the same standards we expect of the rest of the community. If you need to get lulz at the expense of others, then yes, it'll be less fun. Those of us who don't spam and indulge in sarcastic comments/memes seem to be able to have fun just fine. Stop by and I'll give you some pointers Because most of us don't want to sit around arguing about how to run the society - we just want to be in it - we have to have cops. Cops are not perfect, and that's why they work so well. Cops can interpret rules, and determine whether applying them in a situation is fair. Cops can be corrupt; or, in BabyDoll's case, they can just say "stop by and I'll give you some pointers" because they're human and get peeved sometimes. Without cops, though, our only choices are self-defense or anarchy. I have been many places on the earth; there are many places anarchy is being tried, most especially on the Interwebs. In my experience, it fails everywhere it occurs. Let anarchy reign long enough, some bully comes in and takes over, or raiders come and pillage everything (in the Interwebs, raiders=Russian botnets). And am a little confused as to what we are actually saying here... what it means... and who it applies to. It is my personal fear it is already to late. :hrmf: *Begins packing bags* Well, stepping back from the overreaction there for a second... did you ever stop to think about the message you're sending other members with 'facepalm' pics? The only solution to anarchy is community, and community means agreeing to limit a few of your freedoms, with the understanding that the payoff is worth the cost. Sometimes, it's hard to know whether what you're typing is against a rule or not. I'll tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to think before I type. I'm going to consider what my statements will look like by themselves. No one can see my face to tell if I'm joking, serious, sarcastic, or otherwise. I'm going to try to communicate with the human beings on the other side of this screen, and abandon all attempts to Win At The Internet. If I attack someone, it will obviously be an attack; if I'm joking, that will be clear. If I'm not clear, I will fix it and apologize. I'm probably the biggest post editor in history. B3 can pack his bags if he wants. He can stay if he wants. That's why calling this decision "Nazi", "excessive," or "unnecessary" is off the mark. People can leave if they want. Nobody's had their computers hijacked; it's not like your browser automatically boots to LBPC and nowhere else. CC doesn't even work for Media Molecule! If everyone left, that would hurt him - and if you don't believe that, seriously...he does this for free. He's just asking you not to pee in his sandbox. Defending yourself by saying "unpeed sandboxes are dumb to the power of lame", or "but my pee is sterile" just makes you look like part of the problem, even if you mean well. And if you find yourself asking, "is this pee?" The answer is either a) "probably not", or b) "yeah, we shoulda told you earlier. No, it's cool, dude. Really. Now could you scoop up that sand and go change your pants? No, we promise not to laugh." @Gravel's last: emoticons make up for people not being able to see your face on the internet. I vote they stay. "Memes" would narrowly apply, in my view, to a thought you don't have to actively think about before passing it on. Answering every question with "your mom" is a meme; answering the question, "who probably loves you unconditionally?" with the same is not. | 2010-09-30 16:17:00 Author: coyote_blue  Posts: 422 |
| I'm glad to see everyone is taking this so well... For a minute there I thought a thread asking people to act maturely was only going to aggravate the more colourful characters in the posse... | 2010-09-30 16:28:00 Author: wexfordian  Posts: 1904 |
| I'm glad to see everyone is taking this so well... For a minute there I thought a thread asking people to act maturely was only going to aggravate the more colourful characters in the pose... HEY!! Who you calling a posse! ...oh wait.. I misread that! Sorry! lol... just hardly see you over in these parts! Had to poke fun!Actually it is basically a bit of common sense, with point values assigned to if you color too far outside the box or use only the nasty colors. | 2010-09-30 16:33:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| 30 days for double posting? Yikes! I'll have to be more careful from now on! This should be my cue to put up an Obama style poster saying "change" but I think that may go against the spam / mocking image rule thingy.. So just pretend I put one Here's to a bright(er) and friendly LBPC! *raises glass* | 2010-09-30 16:36:00 Author: Weretigr  Posts: 2105 |
| Why is everyone using me as an example? Am I really that bad of a person? I wouldve posted a pictar, but it's illegal now. | 2010-09-30 16:42:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I have no problems with you disagreeing with the system in place. However, in the first post... The language you have chosen to express your disagreement is aggressive and offensive, while being packaged in a shell of negativity. These are the sorts of things we have a problem with. Prior to your post, Gravel posted a response in a similar vein questioning a few of the moderation policies. He did so respectfully, and thus we cannot be upset by his words. The manner in which you post suggests that you are simply out to test the limits of the rules... to see what you can get away with. It's very counterproductive to whole system in place, and thus it won't go unnoticed. If you push the rules, expect the rules to push back; I can tell you which of them is able to push harder. Comphy baby, i live to push your rules.I still don't think i deserved an infraction for simply expressing my views, however. I could have done it in far more negative and/or offensive ways. Equally, if, as happened in a recent thread where some idiot decided to start throwing around accusations while trying to take the moral high ground, before passing it off as a joke, i feel i should be allowed to forcefully tell him what i think, especially when he/she is giving as good as he/she gets, etc. This forum doesn't need rules like these. ALL forums will get spam, regardless of the rules in place, because some people join specifically to spam. Sure, they get banned, but more join after. I've been here almost 2 years now, and i have never been horribly offended. The Spam Can was the only place you found spam in the past, by removing that you are almost inviting spam threads. And that makes the forum messy, and ends up with things like this, which are completely unnecessary, happening. I, along with many others, want the Spam Can back. Sure, we could make an entire forum just for spam, but what is the point in that? The only reason this forum is used over other LBP forums is the community. So why would i want to make a forum for off-topic chat when no one, or at least no real number, of people from here would join? It would defeat the purpose of it. If there was just a simple place for off topic chat, with no exp etc. in it, i guarantee you'd see a decline in spam, both as threads and as responses to threads. I want a place where i can talk to people on here without having to stay on a topic indefinitely, because it's far more interesting to see what happens. Bring back the Spam Can. | 2010-09-30 16:48:00 Author: Unknown User |
| OH NO! Just yesterday I posted a video to someone saying happy birthday... ....and I always thought I'd be banned for doing something mean.... Nah, just joking. Although I did post a birthday video to someone on LBPC. Keep up the good work guys! | 2010-09-30 16:50:00 Author: Gavin  Posts: 338 |
| Double-plus good think Bb Cc! Ungood thinks must be rectified, sent to miniluv to become unpersons. .. I'm joking, obviously... <_< But yeah, I changed my sig to mark this joyous occasion. Hopefully it'll crack down on those who seek to make fun of others, and make this site a better place for all of us. | 2010-09-30 17:05:00 Author: Keanster96  Posts: 1436 |
| See, I get what the esteemed gentleman from Wexford did there. I went to see who was online so i could question if this is an acceptable post? Sarcasm with a double face-palm avatar. No coloured titles were on line at the time... if it is an acceptable post... Perhaps, we can coin this new 'post-changes site defined gray area' as The 'Wexfordian Grey' area. | 2010-09-30 17:13:00 Author: Gravel Posts: 1308 |
| Posting "Facepalm," "Thread Derailed," "Fail," and "Spam" pictures/ comments. These are now an automatic 4 point infractions, and will result in being Silenced. ............................... | 2010-09-30 17:19:00 Author: Jovuto  Posts: 2345 |
| Additionally, aren't smileys a form or atleast a variation of the meme. A visual representation of a sentiment? If that is the case, then I see smileys as a serious loophole to these changes. Incidentally, why exactly are there (for lack of a better term) sad-smileys? Or negative post Icons for that fact? I think at this point you're really splitting hairs. We have not outlawed internet memes. We have clarified our policies (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=36936-Moderation-Policy-Overhaul) to include a broader definition of spam. If what you are posting is substantive and on-topic, then it is most likely that content falls under these guidelines. If you publish a "facepalm" pic and write a one-liner, it is most likely that it does not. I will reiterate this once more: each reported post is discussed and reviewed by Staff. Will there be "grey area"? Sure. Will that be discussed in a rational manner behind the scenes? You betcha. Will the moderators make mistakes? We're only human. Are we going to ban smileys, which are a site feature, as a result? Certainly not. We're all here (Staff and Community, BOTH) because we love a little game called LittleBigPlanet. The site was created so we could discuss this wonderful game and have a little off-topic discussion on the side. It's when those discussions get rude, abusive, hateful, disrespectful and just plain out-of-control that things begin to devolve into senseless and/or negative content. The goal of this policy shift is to promote a positive atmosphere in light of those unfortunate things. We are promoting those policies in such a way as to nudge things in a positive direction, rather than let them devolve into chaos and negativity. Let us reiterate: We love this site. We have no intention of turning LBPC into a police state - where's the fun in that!? Besides, I am fairly sure that I could never live without this guy:  | 2010-09-30 17:21:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| Just having a little fun and nothing is aimed at anyone directly.... you should have seen me in school with my teachers.. I was a nightmare! People are getting too worked up over this was my point. Mods are simply asking for people to be more polite and considerate to one another. Their not "infraction nazis" or whatever the terminology is...People can still have fun, just don't have at the expense of somebody else. Thats a reasonable request I think. | 2010-09-30 17:21:00 Author: wexfordian Posts: 1904 |
| Can the fail image rule be made redundant if applied to an external video / image? Eg, if someone posts someone falling off a bike or another video from "failblog" ? Not a great example, but you get the idea! | 2010-09-30 17:34:00 Author: Weretigr Posts: 2105 |
| Hm... ARE lolcats under the ban if they're not used as representatives of <random member here>, or other offensive way? | 2010-09-30 17:40:00 Author: Unknown User |
| facepalm and fail is ok if you're just joking around with a friend or something and not saying it in a offensive way or it's ok when you're talking about your own problem, right...?? ....right?? (oh god say it's right!!!) | 2010-09-30 17:56:00 Author: >er.  Posts: 785 |
| The new rules are going to be awesome. | 2010-09-30 17:58:00 Author: The-Questor Posts: 1328 |
| Conversely, I can not stand TEH INTERNETZ SPEAK. Can we do something about that? It generally accompanies pointless posts. ........... I dunno what to say anymore to what I have read in this thread. Some of it makes me optimistic, some makes me pessimistic. I get the points that the mods have made, but, I just hope because some few people misuse stuff, such leet-speak and/pictures, that the moderation will not be taken overboard. Personally, you'll see leet occasionally jokingly used in my some of my posts. I get the entire "in contex" thing, but I hope it doesn't slowly move to the "in all cases side". Er.... I'm scared now, for what's next to happen. As for spam... I was not around at the time when the spam can existed, but, I think it would be a very useful outlet for the some of us who liked to use meme's etc occasionally. Not that I like to get my fun by insulting other people, but the picture are funny sometimes of used in friendly context. >_> <_< I'll just... Move along now.... /runs. | 2010-09-30 18:00:00 Author: Fishrock123 Posts: 1578 |
| Twitter is the place to talk about the new policy and what you think about it well atleast for me and few others it is xD | 2010-09-30 18:05:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Just thinking, isn't ironic that just as LBPCTG comes out, CC starts the control process? | 2010-09-30 18:11:00 Author: Voltergeist Posts: 1702 |
| Create some lbp mini games Some hacker would be avable to do that | 2010-09-30 18:17:00 Author: hejhoj87 Posts: 1 |
| It's all nice, but I hope that these changes don't bring a "fear of posting". Some users (me included) will get paranoic, thinking that every post they make is about to get moderated (even if it's the most useful post in LBPC's history). I will now think 15 times before posting... | 2010-09-30 18:31:00 Author: gdn001  Posts: 5891 |
| This was a great idea Mods! Now everyone can have happy times on this forum, new and old. | 2010-09-30 18:47:00 Author: Plasmavore  Posts: 1913 |
| Thankyou For these new rules and things Im glad to see about face palming because i always Have days like that and i write stuff and people will just go *FAcepalm* Any way You have made my day alot better :} | 2010-09-30 18:51:00 Author: Sim725  Posts: 247 |
| I think many of you have missed the overall message of the changes. When in doubt, ask yourself: Is what I'm about to post going to make someone else's experience on this site less enjoyable? Misuse of the recall tags aside, asking yourself this simple question before posting, and ensuring that the answer isn't "yes" will allow you to go about your day normally without having to think of the rules. MOST instances of spam, that are not advertising, are done to make fun at someone else's expense. That is NOT ok. That is the point of all of this. | 2010-09-30 19:25:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| Thank god. I hated all those threads that boiled down to a bunch of pictures of that O RLY? owl. | 2010-09-30 19:53:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Kewllll, I'm glad that when I first joined this site everyone was sooo Friendly , and the site was soo easy to navigate... So that's why i love LBPC and I hope it stays like that | 2010-09-30 20:03:00 Author: onaga666  Posts: 293 |
| a buddy popped up on my profile in another site this morning with "<link> How about that? Is it enough, do you think, to go back?" Well, It looks like a great start. Kudos. I will continue to check in and test the water! Way to go, guys! | 2010-09-30 20:25:00 Author: swanbrown  Posts: 898 |
| Great stuff.... sort of like my old "Consideration" thread, but with actual RULES to back it up! I read the entire thread.... all nine pages.... Gotta say, I definately agree with the new rules. I know there are members who will have a problem with it, but look at it this way: there wouldn't need to be rules if people followed the principles. The principle is wanted to enhance others experience rather than knock them down. If members come into the site and start chasing people away because they aren't being respectful.... rules need to be added. Nice job, mods! I like it. | 2010-09-30 20:32:00 Author: CCubbage  Posts: 4430 |
| I am going to go out on a limb and say LOLCats when used in the correct context will be allowed. What kind of LittleBigPlanet fansite would this be if we banned all use of one of Media Molecules favorite internet memes. That being said I am happy with these new rules. The spammyness of the LBP3 thread that popped up and definitely all the spam we got around the time of the beta announcement really made me upset. I seriously considered leaving just because it was all getting too much. I know the moderators did their best to keep that under control but it was still very annoting. Now with people really thinking before they post hopefully an occurrence like that wont happen again. That being said I understand the concerns of some people, they really don't know what is overstepping the boundaries anymore xkappax for example was tentative about posting the Halloween dress up thread because she never new if it would be allowed. The main thing to remember is that LBPC is still the same, we will still be able to have people randomly choose our pizza. We will still be able to talk about indie games, and most importantly we will still be able to have fun which is what this site is about. The only difference is that if you do go out of your way to Insult, Spam or Troll you will be punished. Personally I would like to thank the site staff for implementing these rules, I know it must of been a tough decision but you definitely chose correctly for the betterment (wow that is actually a word) of this site. | 2010-09-30 20:33:00 Author: robotiod  Posts: 2662 |
| Finally, Where's Rawksauron? Is it true this is just free advertising for LBPTG? (...Just cant help noticing there are some paralells between this, and that fabled oft-delayed work of Art.) Are you insulating that CC bringing down the iron hammer just because he's the main villain in LBPC:TG? Though this thread did kinda delay release of LBPCTG by another day... Since Cc was too busy finalizing this to type up the release thingies of LBPCTG... ah well, we need it <_> I've been here almost 2 years now, and i have never been horribly offended. Kinda because you're the type of person doing all the offending. ... /runs (hey, I like you and all, but still >_<) Bring back the Spam Can. While I'd like this to come true, the brief time we managed to hack a chat room into the site made me convinced there's no real way to keep a spam can safe. I'd like it but I just don't see it going anywhere but badly. I don't just mean the spam, but the language and all that. ... But yeah, to everyone leaving because now you won't be able to troll, I'd just like to say: Yay. | 2010-09-30 20:36:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882 |
| I haven't done it yet, but I hope I don't do it by accident! | 2010-09-30 20:50:00 Author: Twilightoutcast  Posts: 80 |
| Personally I think there has to be a line between internet lulz and internet anonymous harassment/irrelevant posts. The new rules seem an obvious attempt to ensure one doesnt blend into the other. Me personally, I am not a fan of unmoderated forum behavior, being harassed for an honest mistake, or having to sift through a ton of unnecessary facepalm and sludge to get relevant info... It`s a jungle out there. I am new, but I fully support this. Good job. | 2010-09-30 20:59:00 Author: EinRobot  Posts: 739 |
| I like the new rules, you really are getting tough (its a good thing though lol) | 2010-09-30 21:09:00 Author: YEAH_NAH  Posts: 775 |
| I've had a lot of fun here. My # one internet destination. While I don't really believe these 'more clearly clarified rules more strictly enforced' are meant for or directed at me... I really have no idea what an acceptable post is anymore! And now apparently-- its important to know which moderator is 'on' and where their 'particular' sensitivities lie. Case in point. I love Comphermc as a creator. I like him as a friend. I found his first post offensive and irrelevent, but figure, you guys have been dealing with a lot of stuff lately so... I look the other way. Then his next post is a bunch of malarkey about pandas! Someone help me out here, cause my post expressing I felt like crap over a three month lbp2 delay was moderated YET you let Moderators run roughshot over the rabble and abuse those same rules? Often, as is the case, (though not in mine) quite sarcasticly to boot! Now I'm all for this I really am, but can someone please explain to me how either of these posts can not be considered spam? They add absolutely nothing to the topic and in all "truthiness" run in direct violation of the official policy just stated directly preceeding. Maybe I don't understand what spam is... but I really don't think it should matter who's posting it-- now should it? Comphs' victorius self-serving post is no different than those "I got TEH BETTORZ" we all love-- upon reading I feel somehow unworthy like a bad dog who just got my nose rubbed in it... If someone, (like say Inanimacy) posted the same thing-- (not just the sentiment) I think he'd already be silenced... yet Compher recieves THANKS on what I view as a silly, ridiculous, unwarranted post by a moderator. I might even say it's a 'fun' post. Yet I've already discovered that fun is not guaranteed nor equal. I really just hope EVERYONE puts a little more thought into their posts... And please, I'm not siding with anyone here or drawing any lines in the sand... Inanimacy walks a line I am far to afraid and care not to tread... nor do I mean to single-out anyone... My apologies to both of my examples (especially Comph) my intent is not to portray anyone in an unfavourable light... I'm just saddened and confused. I come here for fun. And am a little confused as to what we are actually saying here... what it means... and who it applies to. It is my personal fear it is already to late. :hrmf: Yes, Yes, Yes, and stop all those spammy lame MM posts too. If I cant post "lololol Jrange made a sackboy cake" in the news section, why can they? "Its automatic blah blah blah" Well CC said it stops now so, stop that too. | 2010-09-30 21:15:00 Author: Jrange378  Posts: 573 |
| I am scared!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :o So Warnings are still there right? | 2010-09-30 21:28:00 Author: Snrm  Posts: 6419 |
| Hey mods, I can understand where you are coming from and completely agree that this has been an issue. Speaking as someone who's received an infraction and been banned once in the distant past, I have a lot to say about this... but will try to bite my tongue. I could go on and on about why this may or may not work, but the main problem as I see it is perception. There have been occasions in the past where I have posted things where the majority of people reading get when I am joking, but a select few don't. I have also been guilty of perhaps misreading someones intentions in their posts and taken offense. The problem is that without knowing the person, we (and you, the mods) aren't always able to discern the intended tone of the post. It's just an inherant problem with the internet. I actually had someone once tell me to "relax dude... it's just the internet", when I took offense to one of their statements. That seems to be a pretty popular attitude where forums are concerned. I guess my real concern is that something I find offensive, ill thought out, or outright mean may differ from how other's see it. So I say good luck to you and I hope you make all the right decisions... not that I don't have all the confidence in you I can as human beings. Since you are already currently making changes and being more pro-active in making this a better forum, I would like to point out some other major changes that could be implemented on the site (that you have clearly missed), because I believe that change is good, and because I believe you can do more as mods to help our community change for the better. Please note... this is not intended to be funny or sarcastic. I am dead serious about these. How about adding a mandatory "Grammar Check" feature that has to be done before anyone can post? It would certainly reduce the itch to post a Facepalm meme. No... I'm not being sarcastic... it's really annoying with the amount of posts on here that read something like, "hey all I was wondringif some one could help me answer? my questions about wiring my logic like in thegardens level I don't know!! cuz i never seem to be able to find it or anyone online to help when plaing except when I play COD4! or another shooter and stuff so yeah... logics Pleeeeeez Haaaaaaaallllpppppsss meeeee naaaaaooooowwwwww!!!!!!". As an English speaking citizen, I find this sort of posting highly offensive and annoying! Or maybe we could make it mandatory that your age and country of origin shows up beside each post so we can say, "Oh, she's from Russia!? Well then I'll cut her some slack on her great effort to get her point across in our language.", or "Oh, he's only six!? Now I understand why his typing skills are lacksorz! Speaking of lacksorz... how about we start handing out infractions to those who use this ridiculous L33T speak and all other internet lingo. I'm all for using common things such as IMHO, or TBH... but some of this stuff is impossible to read! Seriously... it makes me feel like I can't connect to some of these members or what they are saying. What planet are they from that they didn't learn the English language and think that hitting the caps lock key three times and moving their fingers over to the key pad to punch in numbers is somehow shorter than spelling the actual word? If you want to speak in code folks.... get a Lil' Orphan Annie decoder ring and send messages to each other through tin cans and strings. Keep it out of the public forums please. Isn't there some GeekSpeak forum you can hang out on? I come here to discuss LBP... not get confuzzled and bamboozled. Again... I am not being sarcastic here... this garbage should be banned from the site! There are plenty of other members here who haven't got a clue what these people are saying as well. It's not because I'm in my 40's, it's because I speak English... so why shouldn't they? I don't mind the small things (like the fact that I had to look up the work meme to know what the heck you were referring to, but I shouldn't have to google PL3Vs st0p @ TeH VV1IV or other such nonsense. Oh... and I think another huge problem here is the thanks button leading to HUUUUUUGE sig pics! C'mon already... can we put a smaller cap on the maximum size already!?! Aside from the fact that some users may not have fast enough machines (resulting in slow page loading due to HUGE sigs), it's just annoying reading a thread that should have been 15 pages, but instead is 42 pages long because the same person with a huge sig responded 20 times! Plus.. most of them are just ugly. I don't care how many people like you or how helpful you've been... is there really a need for poster sized sigs? So yeah, I guess that's all I can think of right now. This stuff and all that other stuff about not being mean to people on purpose. So yeah,,, to sum up: Don't be mean on purpose and apolgise if you are, don't be meme on purpose either, try to speak English using proper punctuation (we can forgive spelling, but at least throw in some periods so we know when a new thought is being articulated), don't try to be cool by speaking L33T... you just confuse us and look dumb, and stop wasting space with giant sigs.... your name is not a movie advertisement. Good luck to everyone on keeping the forums friendly and sensical. (oh... and try not to use words like sensical.... they make no sense. Does that sound sensible?) EDIT: We also need to implement a "NO WHING" policy here, so that when games don't get released on time, or DLC isn't tailor made to each person who plays the game, or the wrong DLC was made altogether (ie. "Where's my blah-blah-blah DLC that was rumored to be in the making?"), people can get silenced for that too. Keep up the great work Mods! You are loved and appreciated more than you know. I don't know what emotion this gas mask is supposed to represent, but I'm adding one 'cause it looks cool.  SOME DAY I'M GOING TO HAVE A HUGE SIG HERE TOO!! zomg! | 2010-09-30 21:40:00 Author: Rustbukkit  Posts: 1737 |
| Uhhhhh I'd Hate to be a Kill Joy, but every once in a will you will cuss a little. I'm not trying to point a finger at anyone but...... | 2010-09-30 21:47:00 Author: Phazerz123  Posts: 440 |
| How about adding a mandatory "Grammar Check" feature that has to be done before anyone can post? Well, I can definitely rule out any sort of "grammar" check happening, ever. The reason? Well, I've got 3. The simple fact is, English is not the primary language of the world. And since LittleBigPlanet is a game enjoyed by people from all over the planet, you can not hold everyone to an English grammar exam every time they post. In addition, one of the greatest things about this site is it's diversity. Not only do its members come from all over the world, but they range in age from the very young (6-10) to the mature adult (40+)! To expect each and every person to speak English, and on top of that, with correct grammar and punctuation at all age levels is simply impossible. Lastly, even if you were to ignore the two points above: with the sheer number of posts per minute on this forum we wouldn't even have the time to analyze and critique every single post for grammar. There is no way you could standardize such a process to make it practical. Your suggestion to put "labels" on people would only lead to, well, people having "labels." I'd prefer we all be equals, wouldn't you? We should be celebrating and embracing our diversity, not putting people into categories based on their English speaking/typing skills. While I can certainly understand your frustration when reading posts with less than perfect diction, one of the overarching themes of this entire thread is that we should all be more tolerant of each other and in our posts, and that includes tolerance of imperfect grammar. | 2010-09-30 22:02:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| WOW! This thread has been created a meer 19 HRS ago and it already has 9 pages! | 2010-09-30 22:02:00 Author: The-Questor Posts: 1328 |
| I think the system is fair. Everyone should apply to the rules like in every social place. Everyone means even mods, since I saw in the past mods that didn't behave correctly with users with wrong tonew and sarcasm, and I questioned the thing personally with them, and hope everything got set for the better. I think that in forum games there's still the need of a more light space where to allow facepalms, lolcats and everything, because what's important to remember is that people come here to have a distraction from everyday's life, so a little of fun should be preserved. | 2010-09-30 22:28:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Guys, honestly, the best way to see this is, "We're going to have much less tolerance for harassment and sarcasm now." I think that's pretty much the extent of it, and having looked over the thread, the fine print is very inconsequential, unless you're one of those folks who likes to try and fit through the loopholes. | 2010-09-30 23:07:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046 |
| I don't have a massive problem with the new rules, although i do think some are a little harsh. I do however think that the new rules being put in place give need for an area in which the rules are slightly relaxed, although not to the extent that it becomes bad for the forum. However, an area in which posts don't count, where users can talk about what they want (again, within reason) without fear of being reprimanded for posting an image of some kind, as long as it has some kind of moderation and rules, would be great. As i said before, i'm sure it would cut out spam, and there must be some way it can be implemented. As i also said before, there are a lot of ways users on the site can talk to each other, however it is inconvenient, and not quite the same. The Spam Can was great fun, there was always something going on, and i personally noticed a lot less spam in general around the forum when it was active. I think it should be seriously considered. And if it does come back, it HAS to be called the Spam Can, with the capital 'S' and 'C'. I think we were up to Teh Spam Can VIII? Or something like that... Anyway, please consider it? | 2010-09-30 23:14:00 Author: Unknown User |
| a buddy popped up on my profile in another site this morning with "<link> How about that? Is it enough, do you think, to go back?" Well, It looks like a great start. Kudos. I will continue to check in and test the water! Way to go, guys! Nice. I used to hang out on lbw and after a while I noticed all the good creators were just kind of leaving. I figured they got tired of the game or something, but it turned out they moved here because lbw got too annoying. I have been starting to think that it's getting a bit annoying here lately (not so much with negativity as with people asking basic questions that've been answered 500 times already instead of doing a search), but I mostly figured it was cuz the lbp2 buzz has drummed up a bunch of new users who just don't know their way around lbp or the site as well as others. Either way, a good rule system (yeah, I joked about it last night, but I'm all for it really) will hopefully help the site to keep from going the way of lbw. I hadn't realized people were already jumping ship (I never seem to know what the cool kids are doing), but hopefully that won't be an issue any more. Kinda because you're the type of person doing all the offending. ... /runs (hey, I like you and all, but still >_<) Heh. Not to put too fine a point on it, eh? It's a good point, though. I'm trying to say this in the least mean way possible, but all the people I've seen doing the most complaining in this thread are people that I wouldn't necessarily mind not hearing from any more. Not to say that they're jerks and they should get the freak out or anything, but those negative kinds of posts are exactly why we need these new rules. Seriously, it's not that big of a deal and this is not your site, so just fall in line or find somewhere else to hang out. [edit] Might I also suggest a rule limiting signatures to a pic and two or three lines of text? The sigs that fill up half my computer screen are obnoxious. | 2010-09-30 23:29:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188 |
| Heh. Not to put too fine a point on it, eh? It's a good point, though. I'm trying to say this in the least mean way possible, but all the people I've seen doing the most complaining in this thread are people that I wouldn't necessarily mind not hearing from any more. Not to say that they're jerks and they should get the freak out or anything, but those negative kinds of posts are exactly why we need these new rules. Seriously, it's not that big of a deal and this is not your site, so just fall in line or find somewhere else to hang out. [edit] Might I also suggest a rule limiting signatures to a pic and two or three lines of text? The sigs that fill up half my computer screen are obnoxious. I'm not asking you to pay attention to what i say. And the sig size is fine, as far as i know you have to pay to get more space in your sig. I did, but that may have changed because i did it over a year ago. I make sigs and i want the option to have more than one tiny one if i pay for it. | 2010-09-30 23:33:00 Author: Unknown User |
| [edit] Might I also suggest a rule limiting signatures to a pic and two or three lines of text? The sigs that fill up half my computer screen are obnoxious. Signatures can't take up half a page silly. I love my sig space because I like to make signatures, I prefer not to have more things cut off from my LBPC Circulation. | 2010-09-30 23:37:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Well, I can definitely rule out any sort of "grammar" check happening, ever. Your suggestion to put "labels" on people would only lead to, well, people having "labels." I'd prefer we all be equals, wouldn't you? We should be celebrating and embracing our diversity, not putting people into categories based on their English speaking/typing skills. While I can certainly understand your frustration when reading posts with less than perfect diction, one of the overarching themes of this entire thread is that we should all be more tolerant of each other and in our posts, and that includes tolerance of imperfect grammar. Thanks for the response. I think you missed the point I made about the girl being from Russia or the 6 year old. I'm well aware of these factors on this great site, and enjoy spending time with people like this playing online as well. I'm also not about putting labels on people, and am actually quite fond of several members here who have difficulty with expressing their thoughts as clearly as others in English. In no way was this intended to sound offensive to any of those people. I was thinking something like spell check where it automatically scans your sentence and says, "is this what you wanted to say?", not the mods going through and scanning for grammar mistakes. I just figured it would cut down on some of the negativity and "poking fun of" that sometimes occures, but more so, might help those with ESL or the younger members feel better about their own posts as well. I know if I was posting on a German site that had that option, I'd welcome any help I could get in making sure my questions and comments were coming across to the rest of the forum properly without them snickering at me. Sure there are some people who just aren't at the advanced level yet, but there are those who just don't care and fire off run-on sentences (and they are certainly annoying). As for this site not descriminating, I hear you. Fact is though, this entire site and it's content is in English... so regardless of where in the world they come from, all members need to know and understand some English. It's not about exclusion for me, it's about making it easier for them... which in turn makes it easier for us to communicate and perhaps make them feel more like they are part of the community. Win win if you gave the option in my opinion. Meh... or not. :S I don't know what kind of emotion this gas mask is supposed to suggest, but I'm adding it 'cause it looks cool | 2010-09-30 23:45:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737 |
| Seems fair, there's nothing outrageous in there that means we can't still have fun and be a great community, and that's what LBPC is all about. BTW- Comph wins best reply. | 2010-10-01 00:45:00 Author: alexbull_uk  Posts: 1287 |
| Good call. I am very new here, but I noticed a kind of hard edge to the posts. Especially the speculation and suggestions section, where it seemed that kids were getting smacked for speculating and suggesting! I think a site dedicated to an exceptional game should have exceptionally high standards. Thank you! | 2010-10-01 01:03:00 Author: snarkwise Posts: 53 |
| Thanks for the changes, CC! | 2010-10-01 01:07:00 Author: JspOt  Posts: 3607 |
| Oh... and I think another huge problem here is the thanks button leading to HUUUUUUGE sig pics! C'mon already... can we put a smaller cap on the maximum size already!?! Aside from the fact that some users may not have fast enough machines (resulting in slow page loading due to HUGE sigs), it's just annoying reading a thread that should have been 15 pages, but instead is 42 pages long because the same person with a huge sig responded 20 times! Plus.. most of them are just ugly. I don't care how many people like you or how helpful you've been... is there really a need for poster sized sigs? You can turn them off completely in your settings if you want the page to load faster and especially if you find most of them ugly. I did that when my internet speed went down to dial up for a while. I turned them back on 'cause I like looking at them, well, most of them. | 2010-10-01 01:12:00 Author: SR20DETDOG Posts: 2431 |
| wow those are some big words O.O | 2010-10-01 01:13:00 Author: creator430  Posts: 12 |
| Sarcasm runs through my viens, I love poking fun at people, I love the stupid pics people post, I love all the different characters here, I love all the nonsence we post to each other, I love swearing, I love lbp and I LOVE LBPC...... Just in life, sometimes you fall in love with the wrong person, I fell I love in love with the wrong site. The combination of loving a kids game and being a bit of a crazy adult don't mix lol I know exactly where your coming from with these rule tightenings and think most of them are great as I don't like it when people are jumped on and belittled. I only like poking fun at people that I know will take it the right way and know who I am and that I mean no halm to them. Basically no one likes being told what to do and sometimes it comes across too autouratarian to some people and they react badly towards it. I just think of this place as being like the doomsday clock sometimes. And I just think this is one of them times in LBPC's history where we just clicked a little closer to midnight..... Also I just wrote this whole post on my iTouch and apolloguise for any mistakes, I actually hate it when people are are corrected on their spelling and grammar | 2010-10-01 01:35:00 Author: dorien  Posts: 2767 |
| I was already happy with these new rules even before reading them. Why? Because I'm sure that the Moderator's opinions will always prevail over any kind of rules, and as far as I know, they take their jobs pretty seriously. That said, I'd be happy to see that the individuals who decide to "push back" these rules are punished somehow. I don't think that constantly trying to be on the edge of being infracted should be overlooked, since that results in tons of extra work for the mods, even more if you actually cross the line. It's like spotlighting; deciding whether a lvl should be mentioned or not it's way harder -and thus takes more time- than turning down another mindless bomb/shark survival. What I'm trying to say it's that I'd like for the mods to make exceptions to these rules based on their personal criteria -which is supposed to be, and actually is, reliable, since that is why they are mods- not only to make exceptions to the rules and go easy on certain people, but also to go "harder" on certain people. However, I'm not saying that the rules should work different for some individuals just for the sake of being unfair; I'm saying that whenever a post, pm, vm, signature,... has to be examined as the reason of an infraction, it would be a good and sensible idea to take in account the user's history and the context in which the post was done. And I repeat myself; not just to make exceptions to the rules, but also to infract when the rules are not clearly violated but the mods feel that handing out an infraction would be reasonable. I simply want the mods to be the less hand-tied possibly, not because I'm a fan of dictatorial government/absolute monarchy models but because I absolutely trust them and their common sense. Still, I do understand the necessity of these rules, and I embrace them, not only because I like them, but because I know that they were written with the best of the intentions, experience, and by great persons. And yeah, I'm aware that that looked like a love letter to the staff, but hells, they deserve that and more for working with getting nothing in reward. And now I can say I know what I'm talking about. | 2010-10-01 01:59:00 Author: Keldur  Posts: 628 |
| And the sig size is fine, as far as i know you have to pay to get more space in your sig. I did, but that may have changed because i did it over a year ago. I make sigs and i want the option to have more than one tiny one if i pay for it. That was unfortunately timed: the sig thing wasn't directed at you personally (your sig IS just one pic and three lines of text). The other day I saw one somebody had with two separate pics and a few lines of text. I thought it took up an annoying amount of space. You can turn them off completely in your settings if you want the page to load faster and especially if you find most of them ugly. I did that when my internet speed went down to dial up for a while. I turned them back on 'cause I like looking at them, well, most of them. I wouldn't want to turn 'em off completely: a lot of them, err... some of them..... a few of them are pretty cool looking. I just think that one pic is enough and I like that if you try to use the [img] tag in your sig to bypass the size restriction, it goes ahead and resizes it anyway (mine's bigger than what actually displays, but not by much). Besides, a lot of sigs are actually useful, like Aya's and Incinerator's that have links to their tutorials. | 2010-10-01 02:29:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188 |
| Why is everyone using me as an example? Am I really that bad of a person? Dude, I don't know what kind of person you are. I don't know if you were actually trying to Win At The Internet in the quote I used...but since you didn't post a j/k, I'm taking your words at face value and offering an observation. I also don't know if you'll kill yourself if I hurt your feelings (he said, alluding to the US news today without derailing the thread with a link), so I'm making darned sure that a) any fight I have is worth having and b) I'm saying what I mean. FWIW, if you think Winning At The Internet is tons-o-fun, I'm not judging you. I'm just saying I don't get it, and I don't come here for it. But I'm not going to ignore what you say...you may teach me something unexpected. Comphy baby, i live to push your rules. i feel i should be allowed to forcefully tell him [a person Alex disagreed with] what i think, especially when he/she is giving as good as he/she gets, etc. Bring back the Spam Can. I am probably more like you in attitude than you can see right now, Alex. But I know BabyDoll's kids can read this, and I generally don't want to behave in a way I might regret in front of people's kids. Which is the reason I'm siding with the cops on this one. If you created an invitation-only Spam Can Group, then made people swear not to let it spill back to visitor pages...and you modded it, I imagine that would be educational and fun. Er.... I'm scared now, for what's next to happen. It's the surest sign you care about something. Good. I'm scared too. If I get punished, I'm gonna take it-no running, no excuses-and I'm going to try and make sure that I earn it. Being scared is being alive. I think many of you have missed the overall message of the changes. When in doubt, ask yourself: Is what I'm about to post going to make someone else's experience on this site less enjoyable? We're all missing a lot of one another's points. Some of it is honest mistakes; some of it is willful disregard of the other side's valid points. But at least we're having the discussion. I'm chuffed about it. Yes, Yes, Yes, and stop all those spammy lame MM posts too. If I cant post "lololol Jrange made a sackboy cake" in the news section, why can they? "Its automatic blah blah blah" Well CC said it stops now so, stop that too. Dude. We're a website devoted to Mm's most famous game. They get to spam us because most of us will read it. If I post my favorite lolcats once a week, I'll do it on my blog, and three whole people may care. Question: how do you say that, and mean it, and still like LBP? Also, not at you specifically, but generally: "everyone else does it," "but when I do it, it's okay," and "this is just like TEH NAZIS" are three arguments I have a difficult time taking seriously. I don't have a massive problem with the new rules, although i do think some are a little harsh... As i said before, i'm sure it would cut out spam, and there must be some way it can be implemented. As i also said before, there are a lot of ways users on the site can talk to each other, however it is inconvenient, and not quite the same. The Spam Can was great fun, there was always something going on, and i personally noticed a lot less spam in general around the forum when it was active. I think it should be seriously considered. And if it does come back, it HAS to be called the Spam Can, with the capital 'S' and 'C'. I think we were up to Teh Spam Can VIII? Or something like that... Anyway, please consider it? You just met people in the middle. Kudos. You're the reason I have faith this is going to work out. Now call me some names in a PM. I'm ready. Seriously, it's not that big of a deal and this is not your site, so just fall in line or find somewhere else to hang out. Mostly, I agree with you. But I guarantee, by adding those words, people who disagree with you saw "blah blah blah so just fall in line or find somewhere else blah." As I'm sure some people did to me in my first post. I'm not asking you to pay attention to what i say. Then why did you respond? I smell a fruitful PM conversation. Or me getting banned for promoting fights. You can turn them off completely in your settings if you want the page to load faster and especially if you find most of them ugly. I did that when my internet speed went down to dial up for a while. I turned them back on 'cause I like looking at them, well, most of them. Dude, I totally forgot. Thanks. The combination of loving a kids game and being a bit of a crazy adult don't mix lol I only like poking fun at people that I know will take it the right way and know who I am and that I mean no halm to them. Basically no one likes being told what to do and sometimes it comes across too <authoritarian> to some people and they react badly towards it. I agree with the sentiment, but not your later gloomy prediction (not quoted). I'm over 30, swear like a soldier, and I correct the spelling in people's block quotes. I'm a jerk, too. But I think we can all get along. Or at least fight clean. | 2010-10-01 02:38:00 Author: coyote_blue Posts: 422 |
| I'm going to go on record right now and throw this out there. I think in the next round of Mod considerations, coyote-blue should be a major consideration. He get's it. Honestly, his posts here (as well as the rest of the forum) are some of the most thought out, concise, relative, and diplomatic posts I've seen on this site. Sorry if this is off topic or makes you feel uncomfortable coyote, but I felt it was worth stating. Plus, he admitted he's a jerk and said he likes a good clean fight... and that kind of honesty goes a long way on forums. Just saying. PS. Can we get a male smileywink too, so I don't feel like people might think I have a crush on them or anything weird? (jk) | 2010-10-01 04:32:00 Author: Rustbukkit Posts: 1737 |
| I wouldn't want to turn 'em off completely: a lot of them, err... some of them..... a few of them are pretty cool looking. Besides, a lot of sigs are actually useful, like Aya's and Incinerator's that have links to their tutorials. Maybe an option to simply turn off signature pictures? I have no idea if that's actually possible but it would be useful feature. As you said a lot of signatures do have useful link in them to tutorials but also levels, youtube channels, blogs and a range of things. I just think that one pic is enough and I like that if you try to use the [img] tag in your sig to bypass the size restriction, it goes ahead and resizes it anyway (mine's bigger than what actually displays, but not by much). My sig is, well, huge actually. When I first put it on I thought is would automatically resize it anyway. Not long after I put it on though they did start getting resized, which saved me from having to make a new resized version | 2010-10-01 04:35:00 Author: SR20DETDOG Posts: 2431 |
| Thanks, this looks very helpful Having said that, I can't think of any examples of what's been described, but clearly it has happened, so I'll leave it (sorry if this has already been asked/answered, I didn't look throught the 10 pages :blush | 2010-10-01 17:07:00 Author: kirbyman62  Posts: 1893 |
| It's the surest sign you care about something. Good. I'm scared too. If I get punished, I'm gonna take it-no running, no excuses-and I'm going to try and make sure that I earn it. Being scared is being alive. Cuz I do man, this site is awesome. I'm fairly sure if it totally collapsed a little part in lots of us would die. We're all missing a lot of one another's points. Some of it is honest mistakes; some of it is willful disregard of the other side's valid points. But at least we're having the discussion. I'm chuffed about it. I concur to this. I agree with the sentiment, but not your later gloomy prediction (not quoted). I'm over 30, swear like a soldier, and I correct the spelling in people's block quotes. I'm a jerk, too. But I think we can all get along. Or at least fight clean. | 2010-10-01 17:31:00 Author: Fishrock123 Posts: 1578 |
| (No) posting "Facepalm," "Thread Derailed," "Fail," and "Spam" pictures/ comments. wat if u give us permision to | 2010-10-01 21:12:00 Author: Voodeedoo  Posts: 724 |
| wat if u give us permision to You do not have permission to. It's simply counter-productive to anything positive. While it may be funny to you, put yourself in the shoes of the other guy. | 2010-10-01 22:03:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| I am glad that the weird internet sub-culture (if it is correct to call it that) will not invade this site. | 2010-10-01 23:51:00 Author: the_adhocracy Posts: 31 |
| What if we double post on accident? Because I've done that like twice now and I don't want to get infractions for something I didn't mean. GOD! This site is getting so strict it's not even fun anymore I have to keep watching myself when talking about my favorite game. -.- | 2010-10-02 00:39:00 Author: wolverine_2008  Posts: 304 |
| What if we double post on accident? Because I've done that like twice now and I don't want to get infractions for something I didn't mean. GOD! This site is getting so strict it's not even fun anymore I have to keep watching myself when talking about my favorite game. -.- You can delete your accidental posts by editing them, choosing "Go Advanced" and selecting the "delete" option. | 2010-10-02 00:48:00 Author: gdn001 Posts: 5891 |
| What if we double post on accident? Because I've done that like twice now and I don't want to get infractions for something I didn't mean. GOD! This site is getting so strict it's not even fun anymore I have to keep watching myself when talking about my favorite game. -.- Wolverine.... *shakes head*.. do you have so little confidence in our intelligence that you think we can't tell accidental double posting from other sorts? C'mon, man. We're not tyrants and we're certainly not stupid Relax, man... wolf... it will allll be fiiiine | 2010-10-02 00:58:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| Wolverine.... *shakes head*.. do you have so little confidence in our intelligence that you think we can't tell accidental double posting from other sorts? C'mon, man. We're not tyrants and we're certainly not stupid Relax, man... wolf... it will allll be fiiiine So you'll ban him for that right?!! Just kidding!! No doubt!! Relax Wolverine.. just use the edit if you happen to and if you don't you will probably be nicely reminded. | 2010-10-02 01:04:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| I've noticed some of my posts getting deleted. Now that's fine and all, but if you delete it, then at least tell me why. | 2010-10-05 07:05:00 Author: Unknown User |
| So are lolcats and all those images not allowed just when you're putting down another member, or just not allowed anywhere anymore?x Like lets say I wanna put that to make a joke, or to respond to another member in a funny/ non-innsulting way, would that still be allowed? | 2010-10-07 21:14:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| Oh well I guess lbpc staff just hate the idea of lbp3... D: too bad xD EDIT I was just kidding,Honest!)I dont think this joke is very funny, and im pretty sure moderators are not amused either...id say cut the lbp3 out before you end up not even able to reply to this post. If ya know what i mean | 2010-10-07 23:41:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| So are lolcats and all those images not allowed just when you're putting down another member, or just not allowed anywhere anymore?x Like lets say I wanna put that to make a joke, or to respond to another member in a funny/ non-innsulting way, would that still be allowed? In my opinion, image macros or dead meme replies are unnecessary and annoying, but they shouldn't be a bannable offense. But, then, of course, anyone who posts them gets showered in 50 thanks for whatever reason. :| At least you're tightening up the moderation, but I think you should at least tell someone why their post was deleted. | 2010-10-08 00:18:00 Author: Arkei  Posts: 1432 |
| I've noticed some of my posts getting deleted. Now that's fine and all, but if you delete it, then at least tell me why. Sorry, Alex.. we've been busy. Okay, in answer to your question (and of course this applies to everybody, not just yourself) - posts will be deleted if the content was deemed by Staff to be inflammatory, inappropriate, insubstantial or otherwise not necessary. That's a blanket explanation as we can't, nor should we have to, explain to every single person why their post was deleted. If you're contributing to a thread in a useful and polite way, we don't need to touch it So are lolcats and all those images not allowed just when you're putting down another member, or just not allowed anywhere anymore?x Like lets say I wanna put that to make a joke, or to respond to another member in a funny/ non-innsulting way, would that still be allowed? In my opinion, image macros or dead meme replies are unnecessary and annoying, but they shouldn't be a bannable offense. It's not an automatic ban on all of these. And for the most part, it's about context. The ones we are getting severe on are the nasty ones that are used as put downs or other types of unpleasantness. For all other types of images/memes/videos, etc... personally, I'd recommend you try and avoid them wherever possible as they have a tendency for being pointless and spammy. Also, aside from the aforementioned being being big fat band width hogs, I'd much rather hear what a member has to say than look at some random image they've pulled off the internet. But if you feel you absolutely MUST use one in a thread, then the important questions to consider are these: a) is it directed at someone else in a negative way? (If it is, or even if you're unsure if people might take it the wrong way, just don't post it. If you're sure it's not unkind nor offensive, then go to question b)... b) does it usefully contribute to the actual thread topic or is it irrelevant or spammy, i.e. is it a waste of time and space? (If it doesn't contribute usefully, again, I'd advise you don't post it) That doesn't mean you can't make jokes and post funny stuff when it's relevant. It's all about the context. While the whole purpose for this overhaul was to stop the unpleasantness that was going on, we will also crack down on people who repeatedly offer nothing of substance in the forums. | 2010-10-08 07:48:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| Whoa, hey CC, am i breaking any rules if i posted random things a drew on Zim's art thread, i don't think it is concidered "Spam" So i am hoping im not... | 2010-10-20 21:00:00 Author: Joshofsouls  Posts: 1569 |
| As I said, I agree with the moderation changes, and I hoped for some responsibility from users, but I think that some mods have to chill out. I can't stay silent when I see these kind of things (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=38468-What-s-Your-Name&p=664654&viewfull=1#post664654) It's not the first time, and I personally don't like this granny always sarcastic scolding tone. While I totally agree that the topic had to be locked for the subject of the thread, not the direction it took, since there were no flames and no insults. It's getting annoying to stumble sometimes in this kind of things. I think that a "Locked for an inappropriate subject" could have been really a better more classy solution than "Poor show. Everyone" | 2010-10-25 06:43:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| As I said, I agree with the moderation changes, and I hoped for some responsibility from users, but I think that some mods have to chill out. I can't stay silent when I see these kind of things (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=38468-What-s-Your-Name&p=664654&viewfull=1#post664654) It's not the first time, and I personally don't like this granny always sarcastic scolding tone. While I totally agree that the topic had to be locked for the subject of the thread, not the direction it took, since there were no flames and no insults. It's getting annoying to stumble sometimes in this kind of things. I think that a "Locked for an inappropriate subject" could have been really a better more classy solution than "Poor show. Everyone" I just read the entire thread and comphermc's response, and I disagree with your assessment. It was an immature thread, in which it was derailed by everyone. If you look at comphermc's final remark, he closed it down nicely with a final little 'joke' (Matt isn't on the list, which is is real name). I think one of the problems with writing things in the first place is that you miss the inflections that you would normally hear in someones voice, so it's easy to take things in a negative way. So, in other words, you may be reading the "granny" tone into it. Just saying.... Be positive | 2010-10-25 11:51:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| I just read the entire thread and comphermc's response, and I disagree with your assessment. It was an immature thread, in which it was derailed by everyone. If you look at comphermc's final remark, he closed it down nicely with a final little 'joke' (Matt isn't on the list, which is is real name). I think one of the problems with writing things in the first place is that you miss the inflections that you would normally hear in someones voice, so it's easy to take things in a negative way. So, in other words, you may be reading the "granny" tone into it. Just saying.... Be positive Actually I spoke because it's not the first time and I already spoke with Comph to this regard. My point is that an off topic discussion is always likely to derail in something that some may found stupid and some may found funny, and anyone can partecipate or not in the discussion as they see fit as long as it's not offensive. Sometimes there's need to remember that we're on the internet, and that we span from 14 to 50 years old users, so immature becomes a concept that is quite relative and subjective. As I said closing it was the rightest of thing, Comhy was right, but just because it's easy to miss the inflections, maybe it's the case to avoid to say some of those things. I know the work of the admins and mods is very unrewarding and annoying, and Comph tries to take a little fun out of it, but sometimes, in my opinion, he goes too far. Because joke or not, "Poor show. Everyone." is a judgement towards all the people that wrote in that thread, and I really don't think this is the right place to judge or be judged, since there's already real life for that, and we all want to come here and share some good times in respect of each other. | 2010-10-25 14:31:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Maybe the names of the name moderators should be edited into the first post, just so people know who they can contact if needs be. http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/272671-Blackfalcon/671/5/animal0064hb2_display.gif | 2010-10-25 15:05:00 Author: Blackfalcon  Posts: 409 |
| Maybe the names of the name moderators should be edited into the first post, just so people know who they can contact if needs be. http://i.neoseeker.com/mgv/272671-Blackfalcon/671/5/animal0064hb2_display.gif Surely the report button is all we need? I think that when a mod locks a thread, they should explain why they have done so. That way, we can learn from it and know what not to do again. And they always do that! Well, by "always" I mean "most of the time". The thread OmegaSlayer posted is a good example. They weren't mocking the guy who started the thread, but purely having fun! And that's what LBP's all about, isn't it? Having said that, I also believe the moderators do an excellent job that most others would not be able to cope with! And I agree with the majority of comphermc's decisions. He knows what he's doing! After all, he is a teacher - he knows how to handle kids big and small! | 2010-10-25 15:31:00 Author: Weretigr Posts: 2105 |
| Because joke or not, "Poor show. Everyone." is a judgement towards all the people that wrote in that thread, and I really don't think this is the right place to judge or be judged, since there's already real life for that, and we all want to come here and share some good times in respect of each other. True.... I suppose it's just hard, and all comes down to common sense. But unfortunately, "Poor show. Everyone" in a real-life conversion can come off several ways. You can picture a real sour-puss coming in and yelling it at a bunch of kids, or someone saying it in a much lighter sense. When it's typed, it gets interpreted based on the readers mood. Personally, I really don't post much anymore... I've been beaten down. Within the past year, I've felt that quite a bit of what I was writing would be interpreted in a negative way, so I stopped. When it stops being fun, it isn't really worth doing - same for the mods. | 2010-10-25 18:46:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| Personally, I really don't post much anymore... I've been beaten down. Within the past year, I've felt that quite a bit of what I was writing would be interpreted in a negative way, so I stopped. When it stops being fun, it isn't really worth doing - same for the mods. I was going to come in here and say pretty much the exact same thing. When the fun is gone, so am I. | 2010-10-25 18:51:00 Author: xkappax  Posts: 2569 |
| I'm sorry to hear that you started to pot less CCubbage, what you say it's true more since we're in an International Forums, where not everyone knows communication habits of the various Countries, but I think that it's one more reason to think twice before we write to not offend other people. Thinking a bit more just helps to make this place better. | 2010-10-25 19:03:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| Because joke or not, "Poor show. Everyone." is a judgement towards all the people that wrote in that thread, and I really don't think this is the right place to judge or be judged ^ This...especially since it's posted in the very same thread that states posts like that are frowned/infracted upon | 2010-10-25 19:12:00 Author: Shadowcrazy Posts: 3365 |
| I think that when a mod locks a thread, they should explain why they have done so. That way, we can learn from it and know what not to do again. And they always do that! Sometimes when we lock a thread, we simultaneously delete or edit the offending content as well. Some people may want to know, "Hey, where did that post go?" while others still may ask "Why did this mod come here and post something? That doesn't make much sense (because the content I can't see anymore isn't there!)" In those cases, sometimes merely locking and leaving it be is more effective and less troublesome. In addition, we prefer not to call people out by name to make an example of them in the thread itself (although I'm sure it's happened, we're only human after all.) Ideally, we address with those individuals on a case by case basis, via PM, warnings or infractions. So to address your suggestion, in a perfect world: Yes, this would be a great idea. But it's a shoe that doesn't always fit. Where it is apt to reply, we will. But we won't be perfect (see above comment regarding human species.) @OmegaSlayer: Now, as to the thread (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=38468-What-s-Your-Name) and comph's response, the thread itself was spammy and clearly headed in a downward-spiral. Indeed, most people's responses were sarcastic, off-topic or "I pick Jimmy." Instead of taking the thread seriously, most people offered little or nothing in substantive content. In addition, the OP requested that the thread be closed. Bottom line: there were lots of people in that thread that were not there to "share some good times in respect of each other." Thus, comph's choice of words. Could comph have worded his reply differently? Sure. I'm just not so sure it was that far out of line. That's just my thoughts on the subject, and you are welcome to disagree. We encourage this sort of thing, you know, as in the end it makes this site a better place. | 2010-10-25 19:26:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| Yeah, thanks Schm0, I only wanted to point out that sometimes locking a thread plain and simply may be the best thing. My impression when I read those words were: "Is this forum a lager or a kid's playground? For whatever stupid thing we could have said, we surely don't deserve such a rude comment" And those kind of thoughts doesn't help to feel the warm and fuzzy feeling this forum is reknown for. That's all. Closed matter for me. | 2010-10-25 21:12:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| In addition, the OP requested that the thread be closed. Oh, confusion cleared up then | 2010-10-25 21:25:00 Author: Weretigr Posts: 2105 |
| Edit: Oopsies! I started typing before your response. Will leave here to make the effort not for naught. I haven't really got much to say, Omega. It's disappointing to me that you have made a large part of your experience on this site geared towards pointing out where you think I have made poor judgments. Do I think I made a poor judgment? No. Would I change the way I worded the post? No. The thread had indeed spiraled out of control, and was no longer serving any productive purpose. Many of the posts were underhanded attempts at poking fun at the thread-starter, and it was indeed reported by another member. I very well could have said, "Thread locked for going off topic," but that is very mechanical, and downright boring. I chose to go with a lighthearted approach that still conveyed the intended message. It's too bad you read it as rude or condescending. Now, as for the Moderation standpoint as a whole: We have, across the board, seen a reduction in site-wide negativity since posting this announcement. Us mods reflected on the change and are very satisfied with how it has played out thus far. I don't know what else you want from us staff. Would you prefer that we not partake at all in the fun that is to be had? Would you prefer that we mechanically post predefined "reprimands" or "reasons" and take the humanistic component out of it? You can run a fine-tooth comb through everything we say, but it's not ultimately going to do you any good at the end of the day. I could do the same to you, or any other member, but I don't have the desire, and I know that if I going looking for the worst in people, that's all I'm going to find. In the end, man... lighten up. Don't look for the worst in people, or you'll only ever see them as bad people. I don't have to ask for your approval, either. I know I'm a good person, I know that I look out for the best for each and every member, and I know I do a dang good job at moderating here. I'm a human, and so I'm no perfect, but neither is anyone else. I would never hold anyone to these impossible standards, as I would only disappoint myself, and wouldn't be doing anything to make this a more friendly atmosphere. Here, I think you just need a smile. Since you can't see mine, I'll give you one: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v8ZEUw_x33k/TCJiDNH5noI/AAAAAAAAEZQ/Hhlst6JKEQ0/s1600/5633_859c.jpg Edit: fixed picture. | 2010-10-25 21:26:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| http://hard-reset.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/008914-smile_copyright_faccine_marchio.jpg That's fine man, we're just talking, it's not personal. Just that sometimes sarcasm has become a standard and can get annoying. That's all. | 2010-10-25 21:33:00 Author: OmegaSlayer Posts: 5112 |
| All you need to do is moderate every post before it is allowed to appear for public viewing. Simples. Edit: and so I'm no perfect Way to prove the point Comph! | 2010-10-26 16:03:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Edit: Oopsies! I started typing before your response. Will leave here to make the effort not for naught. I haven't really got much to say, Omega. It's disappointing to me that you have made a large part of your experience on this site geared towards pointing out where you think I have made poor judgments. Do I think I made a poor judgment? No. Would I change the way I worded the post? No. The thread had indeed spiraled out of control, and was no longer serving any productive purpose. Many of the posts were underhanded attempts at poking fun at the thread-starter, and it was indeed reported by another member. I very well could have said, "Thread locked for going off topic," but that is very mechanical, and downright boring. I chose to go with a lighthearted approach that still conveyed the intended message. It's too bad you read it as rude or condescending. Now, as for the Moderation standpoint as a whole: We have, across the board, seen a reduction in site-wide negativity since posting this announcement. Us mods reflected on the change and are very satisfied with how it has played out thus far. I don't know what else you want from us staff. Would you prefer that we not partake at all in the fun that is to be had? Would you prefer that we mechanically post predefined "reprimands" or "reasons" and take the humanistic component out of it? You can run a fine-tooth comb through everything we say, but it's not ultimately going to do you any good at the end of the day. I could do the same to you, or any other member, but I don't have the desire, and I know that if I going looking for the worst in people, that's all I'm going to find. In the end, man... lighten up. Don't look for the worst in people, or you'll only ever see them as bad people. I don't have to ask for your approval, either. I know I'm a good person, I know that I look out for the best for each and every member, and I know I do a dang good job at moderating here. I'm a human, and so I'm no perfect, but neither is anyone else. I would never hold anyone to these impossible standards, as I would only disappoint myself, and wouldn't be doing anything to make this a more friendly atmosphere. Yes. Uh huh. Brilliant! I think I'll comment on how- http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_v8ZEUw_x33k/TCJiDNH5noI/AAAAAAAAEZQ/Hhlst6JKEQ0/s1600/5633_859c.jpg OH MY GOD IT'S A PIG IN WELLIES Hee hee hee! look at 'em! ^^ | 2010-12-20 00:18:00 Author: Weretigr Posts: 2105 |
| Hey, I just noticed something. Publicly harassing another member for posting in the wrong section or for posting a duplicate thread. Does this mean I can harass other members for reasons other than posting in the wrong section or posting a duplicate thread? | 2010-12-20 00:55:00 Author: Doopz  Posts: 5592 |
| Hey, I just noticed something. Does this mean I can harass other members for reasons other than posting in the wrong section or posting a duplicate thread?  What do you think, Doopz? Wanna test it out? I'd suggest you don't | 2010-12-20 03:03:00 Author: BabyDoll1970 Posts: 1567 |
| What do you think, Doopz? Wanna test it out? I'd suggest you don't I'll do it for him. <3 | 2010-12-20 03:22:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| I've seen stuff like this a few times, but I didn't realize it was such a big deal. A round of applause for our fearless leaders! | 2010-12-28 02:28:00 Author: Kitkasumass  Posts: 494 |
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