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Shooting for 12 year olds
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| I have a 12 year old son who has just bought a PS3. He wants to play shooting games like Call of Duty, because his friends are playing 'em. I've told him absolutely no way, and his mum shares the same view as me. I don't mind him playing shooting games like R&C or Transformers, but I don't want him exposed to scenes of graphic mutilation, sadism, torture, sexual content, bad language, etc. Can anyone recommend any good shooting games that are suitable for a 12 year old boy to play? | 2010-09-04 10:41:00 Author: Ungreth  Posts: 2130 |
| wolf of the battlefield: commandos 3 is a PSN game which is a top down (well, almost) shooter with little to no gore and the art style would fit young kids. | 2010-09-04 10:50:00 Author: oldage  Posts: 2824 |
| There's a game where you shoot this: http://www.littlebigplanetoid.com/images/uploads/PAINTINATOR.jpg I forget what it's called though!  Seriously though, I can't think of any FPS games that are rates PEGI 12. I think the most suitable FPS' you will find are the Battlefield series which are for age 15-16. If it doesn't have to be an FPS, PixelJunk Shooter off the PS Store will be fine for a 12 year old. It was received pretty well too! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4z5OLT78zM | 2010-09-04 11:01:00 Author: Rhys125  Posts: 841 |
Metal Gear Solid 4 sees like a good option.  Srry m8, but you're kinda asking for a paradox, asking for a "clean" shooter is like asking for a bladeless knife, its dull.  My reccomendations would be, let him be, introduce him to that stuff, remember that sheltering kids is not always the best idea, you may think you're protecting them" but sometimes you're just better to let them expereicen that kinda stuff early on. Yet again, I don't wanna be rude and put your parenting on question, specially considering I don't have a child and don't know how parenting is like, and is also good in a way trying to keep your son from watching some stuff until later on. Altho you gotta realize that maybe, just maybe, if he thinks he can handle it and ready to play those kinda games, maybe he is? I don't know, I'm just saying that maybe you could buy him ONE of those games as a "trial," if he hendles it well, then great, if not, then you can just stick to other genres, heck, I'm preetty sure there are planty awesome non-shooter games out there that he would enjoy. A good old RPG or adventure game perhaps? Hope that helps! | 2010-09-04 11:03:00 Author: Silverleon  Posts: 6707 |
| Perhaps you could guide him away from the FPS. Let him have a go at a fun game on the PSN. Show him there's more fun in different games. | 2010-09-04 11:05:00 Author: talbot-trembler  Posts: 1114 |
| To be honest I would've thought if their friends are playing the games then they could just go round their house and play too; if it gets to that then you're essentially only inconveniencing them rather than 'protecting' them. | 2010-09-04 11:40:00 Author: Shermzor  Posts: 1330 |
| I'm pretty sure warhawk is relitivly clean, and cheap on the psn now. its third person tho, and the comunity (i.e. me!!!) has gotten quite badass at it. there is a small amount of blood but its hardly visable unless your litteraly on top of someone whilst you shoot, in which case your playing against noobs!!!!! if your not sure their is a free demo off the psn. | 2010-09-04 11:43:00 Author: Smudge228  Posts: 533 |
| I'm pretty sure warhawk is relitivly clean, and cheap on the psn now. its third person tho, and the comunity (i.e. me!!!) has gotten quite badass at it. there is a small amount of blood but its hardly visable unless your litteraly on top of someone whilst you shoot, in which case your playing against noobs!!!!! if your not sure their is a free demo off the psn. Dude, please don't use that many exclamation marks. It's really annoying...  But Warhawk is generally an alright game. | 2010-09-04 12:03:00 Author: talbot-trembler Posts: 1114 |
| The Worms series maybe? Not really a shooter though.. | 2010-09-04 12:03:00 Author: Boomy  Posts: 3701 |
| i think r&c is kinda silly, the first ones, trandsform em into chickens! no blood neither... they just dissapear or turn into bolts, witch you use as money. (lol?) personally i can't see what's so funny with shooters, i've had enough with those games | 2010-09-04 13:34:00 Author: >er.  Posts: 785 |
| Mag is about the only good Teen rated FPS. 256 players all at once! It gets to be extremely hard though. Im not sure about this one, but Theres always Battlefield Bad Company.(Number 1,of course, Number 2 is out of the question.) Its got the rare swear word, but nothing too horrible. The multiplayer is extrememly fun, and IMO, its better than any CallOfDuty game. Partly because theres useful veichles and you can collapse entire buildings. Thats my two cents, Theres really no other FPS that would suit a 12 year-old. I can agree where you stand on Modern warfare 2, But its the one mission your worried about, right? The "No Russian" one? That mission IS skippable, and you can disable it right when he boots up the game for the first time. And modernwarfare 2 only drops the F-bomb on the final level. !m not trying to convince anyone into buying MW2, And Im only staing my opinion as I see that battlefield is better than COD! Please, no flame! | 2010-09-04 13:43:00 Author: grayspence  Posts: 1990 |
| I know I'm just a kid, but I think you should see if he has a firm and mature grip on reality. If you see that he understands that it's only a game, then I think he's fine when it comes to the more mature stuff. But of course, I wouldn't know anything. I'd go along with everyone here and say Battlefield BC 1. | 2010-09-04 13:52:00 Author: Astrosimi  Posts: 2046 |
| This is a tricky subject for many reasons... First of all, 12 is not that young anymore. This is entering the age when someone already starts building up their individuality and learning about the world, and things instilled from the years to follow will stick throughout adulthood. But, this is still young enough for you to guide and mold. In general, by that age I think trying to hide children from "bad" media is a futile attempt. All their friends will have access to it and it'll only mean they're being exposed to it without your guidance, and that can lead to some bad habits. Another problematic habit that's starting this to begin with is peer pressure - does your son actually enjoy these things or does he want to do it just because his friends are doing it? Very important thing to talk about. It's very hard to find a shooter nowadays that isn't based on "realistic" warfare and/or have a lot of gore. But either way, it's good he's been starting on more cartoony shooters like Ratchet and Clank, that is a logical progression so he can understand the difference between play and reality, and about safety and all. | 2010-09-04 14:53:00 Author: Foofles  Posts: 2278 |
| The remastered version of the PS2 game: Medal of Honour: Frontline is out on the store in October. It was the first FPS I'd played back in 2002 and it was a pretty solid game. I'm not sure if the remastered version will have online multiplayer though. It's PEGI 12+, so if the fact that the game is around 8 years old isn't an issue, then this is a pretty safe bet. | 2010-09-04 18:27:00 Author: Rhys125 Posts: 841 |
| Just get him Call of duty and games like that. The only thing you can some what worry about is nudity, but really it wont kill him, it wont even affect him besides entertainment, shooting games online aren't even that graphic, call of duty doesn't even have a lot of blood. but thats my opinion | 2010-09-04 18:35:00 Author: Snrm  Posts: 6419 |
| Valkyria Chronicles (I REALLY LIKE THIS GAME) It's fun, has NO BLOOD, and is strategic at the same time, it could get him to think things through before doing things etc. | 2010-09-04 18:43:00 Author: Pantyer2  Posts: 652 |
| Just get him Call of duty and games like that. The only thing you can some what worry about is nudity, but really it wont kill him, it wont even affect him besides entertainment, shooting games online aren't even that graphic, call of duty doesn't even have a lot of blood. but thats my opinion except world at war, the bodies get ripped apart in that one. If you want to stay away from graphic violence this is the only FPS game I would say keep away from. MAG has been said but there is nothing inappropriate about that game. | 2010-09-04 18:48:00 Author: robotiod  Posts: 2662 |
| + ungreth mentioned "no torture", the first WaW cutscene is a torture scene. still my fave cod though | 2010-09-04 18:55:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824 |
| except world at war, the bodies get ripped apart in that one. If you want to stay away from graphic violence this is the only FPS game I would say keep away from. MAG has been said but there is nothing inappropriate about that game. alright besides to my point I have played M games A lot, i played GTA 3 when i was little, and i play the New GTA's and other GTA, I play COD and Gears of war, but anyway my point is that nothing happened to me, im 13 right now and all i got from them was entertainment, i don't go around school talking about guns and blood , It did not alter me in anyway/Affect my school grades, ( im in Advanced Classes)Anyway its your pick | 2010-09-04 19:04:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419 |
| alright besides to my point I have played M games A lot, i played GTA 3 when i was little, and i play the New GTA's and other GTA, I play COD and Gears of war, but anyway my point is that nothing happened to me, im 13 right now and all i got from them was entertainment, i don't go around school talking about guns and blood , It did not alter me in anyway/Affect my school grades, ( im in Advanced Classes)Anyway its your pick Sometimes I want to shoot people, but I have always had anger issues, but I have been playing violent video games since I was old enough to hold a controller. Its never affected me, it just made me awesome at 1. headshotting n00bs and 2. Laser tag  ! | 2010-09-04 19:12:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| Thanks for your thoughts guys. Any games where you get to revel in sadistic killing are totally out of the question for a 12 year old and there has to be a limit set on exposure to such things at an impressionable age. It's not about kids going out and repeating what they see in games. It's about the emotional desensitization that comes with it. However, mature content comes at many different levels. In some games you are the hero fighting evil forces. The people you kill shed little blood, you don't violently dismember them and they don't lie there twitching in agony while you toy with their lives. Other games focus on portraying gory and agonising deaths for the sake of the players sadistic gratification. If my son really wants to play a game like that then I worry about his reasons for it. I would like to introduce him to more mature content, but at a graded rate. A game like Manhunt for example is absolutely not ok. But your suggestions have been noted. Mag sounds like a reasonable comprimise and I think I'll check it out for him. Nobody's mentioned Lost Planet 2. I'm wondering how is that game, because he's really keen on playing it? | 2010-09-04 20:36:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130 |
| I don't think Unreal Tournament 3 is gory, You can try out this (http://www.filefront.com/8780331/Unreal-Tournament-3-Beta-Demo/) demo and see if you think it's all right for Him. I played violent games when I was a kid but they weren't as realistic then. | 2010-09-04 20:45:00 Author: lifeiscrapislife  Posts: 396 |
| If lost planet 2 is anything like number 1 it should be fine, it isn't really violent, the blood is replaced with basically what is orbs that you pick up for power. I might be wrong but it doesn't show any real horrific gore, If you ever feel uneased rent it and play yourself first, I understand your concern but if your son is mature enough most games will be fine. I agree that manhunt would be a bit over the top though XD | 2010-09-04 20:45:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| Desensitizations not really a problem unless the person repeats what they see. The act of doing it yourself is what desensitizes it for you. I've played M games since I was a kid, im not going to go into a crowd and unload an m14 screaming "100 points *troll face*!" If your son can judge whats right and wrong then it'll be ok. Personally imo, if your son goes by his friends houses, hes probably already played them so its futile. By now you can be sure he's heard a good bit of profanity from school and/or tv. So really its only the violence and sexual stuff, which if he plays them by his friends house, beats the purpose of you trying to keep it away from him. :/ I've played Lost Planet 1, it wasn't bad, don't know about LP2. | 2010-09-04 20:55:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| agreed, and MAG should be a bit more fun soon... | 2010-09-04 20:55:00 Author: theswweet  Posts: 2468 |
| If you want to see what the game looks like and judge it for yourself, go on Youtube and look up gameplay videos. | 2010-09-04 22:01:00 Author: Pantyer2 Posts: 652 |
Get him Black Ops. It teaches the valuable lesson of money and how to gamble it all away.  | 2010-09-04 22:10:00 Author: CyberSora Posts: 5551 |
| Any Battlefield from 1942 to 2142 has NO BLOOD, foul language and stuff. But it's an online game (the singleplayer sucks), and remember, online interactions are not rated by whatever rates your games. | 2010-09-04 22:13:00 Author: gdn001  Posts: 5891 |
| Borderlands blood is replaced with numbers so he can learn Math while he shoots people. | 2010-09-04 22:17:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| We have a very similar problem in that our 11 year old son wants to play GTA because some of his friends do. We're holding the line on that one (and on other 18+ games) but we know we have to be realistic. For that reason and because there has to be some give and take on these things we have allowed him to play some 15+ games. He really enjoyed Uncharted 1 and 2 and is currently very much into Assassins Creed 2 (which actively discourages players from killing innocent civilians). Anyway there look to be few good suggestions in this thread and I'll be checking some of them out. | 2010-09-04 22:24:00 Author: shropshirelass  Posts: 1455 |
| Metal Gear Solid 4 sees like a good option. Srry m8, but you're kinda asking for a paradox, asking for a "clean" shooter is like asking for a bladeless knife, its dull. My reccomendations would be, let him be, introduce him to that stuff, remember that sheltering kids is not always the best idea, you may think you're protecting them" but sometimes you're just better to let them expereicen that kinda stuff early on. Yet again, I don't wanna be rude and put your parenting on question, specially considering I don't have a child and don't know how parenting is like, and is also good in a way trying to keep your son from watching some stuff until later on. Altho you gotta realize that maybe, just maybe, if he thinks he can handle it and ready to play those kinda games, maybe he is? I don't know, I'm just saying that maybe you could buy him ONE of those games as a "trial," if he hendles it well, then great, if not, then you can just stick to other genres, heck, I'm preetty sure there are planty awesome non-shooter games out there that he would enjoy. A good old RPG or adventure game perhaps? Hope that helps! Yeah, some kids are more inclined to do something if it's against the rules, just because breaking rules is "fun" and "dangerous" | 2010-09-04 22:29:00 Author: Weretigr  Posts: 2105 |
| I bet he only wants to play these games because his friends are. Do you have both the R&C PS3 games? (Tools of Destruction / Crack in Time) There is also a downloadable (much shorter) game called "Quest for Booty." Pirate treasure booty of course. | 2010-09-04 23:20:00 Author: midnight_heist  Posts: 2513 |
| Desensitizations not really a problem unless the person repeats what they see. The act of doing it yourself is what desensitizes it for you. Personally imo, if your son goes by his friends houses, hes probably already played them so its futile Actually Brem, I believe that simulating "bad" actions can also desensitize. My son doesn't play at friends' houses anyhow. We lives miles from anywhere. He hears them talk about FPS at school. I bet he only wants to play these games because his friends are. Do you have both the R&C PS3 games? (Tools of Destruction / Crack in Time) There is also a downloadable (much shorter) game called "Quest for Booty." Pirate treasure booty of course. I've given him both R&C titles already, but he's determined he wants to shoot "real" people because that's what his friends do. I refuse to encourage that. | 2010-09-04 23:32:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130 |
| I've given him both R&C titles already, but he's determined he wants to shoot "real" people because that's what his friends do. I refuse to encourage that. Maybe he just doesn't like R@C :/ It looks pretty kiddy.. 12 year olds arent the same as 5 year olds, and even then you still find 5 year olds playing shooting games online. If your letting him play AC you might as well just give him a FPS, its the same concept, except you take out the civilian factor and throw in more guns. Then you just tell him to not use expletives | 2010-09-04 23:44:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Well If you want to turn him off shooting real people show him the no russia level of MW2, that turned me off wanting to play FPS's for a while. Seriously don't let him play that level it will scar him for life. The multiplayer is great, but a level where your infiltrating a terrorist organisation by shooting hundreds of civilians, and then to end the level with a bullet between your eyes. That is the only time playing a video game I have been offended. I also agree with the metal gear solid games that some people have said, the problem with them though is the stories are mostly for nostalgia sakes for us that have played all of them. Has your son played any RPG's Oblivion is a really nice game for anyone, My friends little brother has played that game. This hasn't been said but the ghost recon games are also nice shooters for anyone to play. I could go on and on but I don't think I need to. *cough* Monster Hunter *cough* | 2010-09-04 23:55:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| If he wants a multiplayer FPS, MAG might be an okay idea, it's rated T, and has comparatively little "graphic" realism. It's also a really good FPS while he's at it. Just sayin. | 2010-09-05 00:00:00 Author: Fishrock123  Posts: 1578 |
| If he wants a multiplayer FPS, MAG might be an okay idea, it's rated T, and has comparatively little "graphic" realism. It's also a really good FPS while he's at it. Just sayin. As long as he joins VALOR | 2010-09-05 00:05:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| No, SVER all the way. I've actually been playing FPS games since I was 8, and besides, I got desensitized by the internet. Everyone does at some point. | 2010-09-05 00:07:00 Author: Arkei  Posts: 1432 |
| I just bought MAG two days ago (Valor 0/ ) and I'd say compared to other FPS it's fine content wise. I've never actually clearly seen blood in the game and there's technically no swearing (but I can assure you someone's going to on the headset) and unlike call of duty the game is heavily objective based so much so that it requires you to complete them to actually win (except one game mode but that's not actually a real game mode). But if your worried about some of the things people will say on the headsets, I can't guarantee anything. Only about 7 to 9 people can say anything to you so and for the most part I haven't encountered anyone blatantly stupid and rude. But the only thing is that this game is impossible without teamwork and you MUST listen to your squad leader or else your probably going to lose or just get voted out and I can see a lot of 12 year olds get turned off by that. | 2010-09-05 00:38:00 Author: kitcheninja  Posts: 211 |
| Well If you want to turn him off shooting real people show him the no russia level of MW2, that turned me off wanting to play FPS's for a while. Seriously don't let him play that level it will scar him for life. The multiplayer is great, but a level where your infiltrating a terrorist organisation by shooting hundreds of civilians, and then to end the level with a bullet between your eyes. That is the only time playing a video game I have been offended. but then again, you can also just walk thru the level aiming upward so you don't have to see any of the shooting if you would be offended by it | 2010-09-05 00:46:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824 |
| Is there a Timesplitters for PS3? Those games were ace! | 2010-09-05 00:54:00 Author: Ayneh  Posts: 2454 |
| but then again, you can also just walk thru the level aiming upward so you don't have to see any of the shooting if you would be offended by it or skip it altogether, you did realize they gave you about 50 warnings and then they even put a skip feature in the pause menu of that level. Oh wait no you were to busy shooting all the russians. It was a good level, I just didn't like the killing civilians part, when you had to face the riot shielder's it was a bit more fun. EDIT: A Ayneh: no but there is Haze, we all love haze right.... right....right..... *tumbleweed* | 2010-09-05 00:55:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| I have to recommend all MGS games, from 1-4. First of all, it makes you use your brain, how do you stop yourself from being caught? Also, the game actually discourages you from killing people, they say in game "Try not to kill them, they have family you know." | 2010-09-05 00:58:00 Author: Pantyer2 Posts: 652 |
| Well, the Uncharted games are pretty good. There you shoot "Real" people, and it's got pretty good puzzles too. Of course, with a lot of games nowadays, you can turn off the blood. | 2010-09-05 01:12:00 Author: standby250  Posts: 1113 |
| Oh wait no you were to busy shooting all the russians. the only time I fired my weapon was the first time I played it: I had no idea they would shoot me if I would shoot my "friends" | 2010-09-05 01:14:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824 |
| you know why not let him play any legend of zelda game or tetris, sure he might not like or his friends might say it sucks or its lame, but hey you cant beat the classics! | 2010-09-05 01:17:00 Author: wait wtf  Posts: 853 |
| you know why not let him play any legend of zelda game or tetris, sure he might not like or his friends might say it sucks or its lame, but hey you cant beat the classics! Asteroids is a shooter, have him play that in time for the upcoming movie | 2010-09-05 01:22:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| http://boingboing.net/2009/02/22/parent-of-gamer-asks.html Is it just me, or has nobody brought that up? There was a better article that had an interview with the kid, but I can't seem to find it. Anyways, the whole reason that he would really want to play is probably the social aspect. The vast majority of shooters these days are heavily based on the multiplayer modes. You would have to consider that, since it is essentially leaving them out of something that their friends do constantly... I'm sure there is also an element of pure pressure involved. http://www.news.com.au/technology/video-games-social-not-violent-study-finds/story-e6frfro0-1111117579541 However, other problems arise when playing online... In fact, that's probably a bigger issue than the violence and gore. Not to mention the fact that pretty much everybody hates prepubescent kids on games like that. | 2010-09-05 01:32:00 Author: microchirp  Posts: 412 |
| Keep your kid away from those violent games! Studies have proven that violent video games cause for more aggressive kids. The difference in game violence they play will determine if they grow up to be the next Nobel prize winner or the next thug holding up a liquor store. Choose carefully what your child is exposed to. Make sure to read your facts first! http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2010/mar/vvgeffects EDIT: Well, do any of you fellas hold a PhD in Psychology? No? I think I'll stick with Dr. Anderson's professional expertise. Thank you very much. Want more proof? Ok. Here, here and here! http://www.pamf.org/preteen/parents/videogames.html http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/297 http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/children_and_video_games_playing_with_violence http://rolemodels.jou.ufl.edu/rolemodels/entertainment/videogames.shtm http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache  A940LOYfzoJ:dana.ucc.nau.edu/~bjl28/Model_GroupArgument.doc+grand+theft+auto+cause+cri me+site:.edu&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ushttp://www.psychology.iastate.edu/faculty/caa/abstracts/2005-2009/07CAB.pdf http://www-inst.eecs.berkeley.edu/~cs10/fa10/readings/videogames/gentile_violence.pdf http://facstaff.unca.edu/tlbrown/RM1/VideoGamesAggression.pdf http://people.ee.duke.edu/~jshorey/MRIHomepage/violent.html http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache _FFIe... (http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache_FFIegCZKgJ:citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download%3Fdoi%3D10.1.1.129.8463%26rep%3Drep1%26ty pe%3Dpdf+violent+video+games+site:.edu&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESiarv_zmPCcVZhYXQ_uHl_NtC6ERxxAh3LKrIcE CxXAncAO_pP9HMVkxjTCrT-3W7PF0VKy6ImMnlKoLDyVrZkmSu6YylF6uTgv6R902F9XIDs86 PBPXO5TyxB9OppaeiRqsIl0&sig=AHIEtbT953q8lDfAHDexmRc4CbZdx9oalQ)Oh and BTW, GTA does cause people to kill. Get the facts right here, here and here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/60minutes/main702599.shtml http://www.rcgd.isr.umich.edu/news/greenwood.ScientificAmer.6.22.10.pdf http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/13/earlyshow/living/parenting/main708794.shtml facts people facts! Fine, let your kids play all the violent video games they want but don't come crawling to me when their college fund suddenly becomes money for bail OK, i didn't want to do this but I see I have no other option... A recent study from the UNIVERSITY OF MICHIGAN clearly stating the evidence required to support my reasoning. PROOF! (http://www.rcgd.isr.umich.edu/aggr/articles/2010.Huesmann.NailingCoffinShutVideoViol.PsychBull .pdf) | 2010-09-05 01:45:00 Author: Enlong3 Posts: 357 |
| Keep your kid away from those violent games! Studies have proven that violent video games cause for more aggressive kids. The difference in game violence they play will determine if they grow up to be the next Nobel prize winner or the next thug holding up a liquor store. Choose carefully what your child is exposed to. Make sure to read your facts first! http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2010/mar/vvgeffects That is a total lie, I for one know lots of people who play violent video games, I have a friend who plays them just as much as me, he got 17.5 A* in his GCSE's. Now is that not impressive, he has not been kept away from violence whatsoever and it is not encouraged but no was discouraged. The fact is you can make up facts and figures all you want but their are a lot of varying factors that lead up to kids who misbehave (and worse). Most of these variables are based on the area they live, the families punishment of bad actions and of course the friends that inevitably pressure children. If someone plays a bad video game and he starts smoking due to peer pressure you can guarantee the media will say that it was video games that caused the person to start smoking. I do not claim to have done any research but it is common knowledge, other tests have had the result of playing games like killzone actually stimulating the brain before an exam and causing the person to have a better result. I remember hearing of one such test which involved killzone 2 and flower and the participants who played killzone did better. Now I am not saying that bad video games are good for people, I am just defending the case that they are in no way necessarily bad for the individual playing them. | 2010-09-05 02:03:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| Keep your kid away from those violent games! Studies have proven that violent video games cause for more aggressive kids. The difference in game violence they play will determine if they grow up to be the next Nobel prize winner or the next thug holding up a liquor store. Choose carefully what your child is exposed to. Make sure to read your facts first! http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2010/mar/vvgeffects ... Ignorance is futile. | 2010-09-05 02:09:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Yeah, I've been playing games like GTA and Call of Duty since I was a preteen, and I still get good grades at school (I got 3rd place in my grade on the first two months) and I'm mentally stable. I think (and it's not only me, I saw an article about this in a trusty magazine) that when it comes to judging videogames, it's just unfair. Take this example: People say that "GTA stimulates murdering". That's like one in 100.000 people who play GTA. There are a lot of worse things out there, but they just blame GTA. If a (sorry for the word) retarded kid plays GTA and commits a murder, GTA is a bad game, but the other 99.999 normal people who play it aren't taken into account. Of course there are bad things in those videogames too, but they aren't exclusive to videogames. There is bad language in videogames, right, but there's also in a lot of movies, and books. If the kid plays a videogame or reads a book with the same amount of language, the effect is the same, but the videogame is still "worse". EDIT: Btw, the magazine I talked about isn't a videogame magazine. | 2010-09-05 02:12:00 Author: gdn001 Posts: 5891 |
| Keep your kid away from those violent games! Studies have proven that violent video games cause for more aggressive kids. The difference in game violence they play will determine if they grow up to be the next Nobel prize winner or the next thug holding up a liquor store. Choose carefully what your child is exposed to. Make sure to read your facts first! http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2010/mar/vvgeffects EDIT: Well, do any of you fellas hold a PhD in Psychology? No? I think I'll stick with Dr. Anderson's professional expertise. Thank you very much. Want more proof? Ok. Here, here and here! http://www.pamf.org/preteen/parents/videogames.html http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/297 http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/children_and_video_games_playing_with_violence facts people facts! Grade A BS. I've played violent games for a long time, and I've never had violent urges, nor have I wanted to commit crimes. "Researchers" are ignorant as to what videogames even are. | 2010-09-05 03:20:00 Author: Arkei Posts: 1432 |
| I have to recommend all MGS games, from 1-4. It would be kinder to send him to Guantanamo Bay for a week than to make the poor kid play eleven finger twist with the ridiculous control scheme in MGS3. you know why not let him play any legend of zelda game or tetris, sure he might not like or his friends might say it sucks or its lame, but hey you cant beat the classics! He hasn't got the patience for Zelda. He's tried 'em all, but never gets past the first area. Basically, he can't be bothered to work out how to progress unless there's a big flashing neon sign saying "do this next". Actually, he's a lot like many LBP players in that respect. Grade A BS. I've played violent games for a long time, and I've never had violent urges, nor have I wanted to commit crimes. "Researchers" are ignorant as to what videogames even are. I went out and killed my first animal after playing Crash Bandicoot. It was a small dog that looked a bit like a bandicoot. I don't want my son to follow the same dark road that I did. | 2010-09-05 13:30:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130 |
| Like alot of people said, MAG is probably the most suitable FPS out there. | 2010-09-05 13:36:00 Author: AbstractFlesh  Posts: 837 |
| Well, the Uncharted games are pretty good. There you shoot "Real" people, and it's got pretty good puzzles too. Of course, with a lot of games nowadays, you can turn off the blood. Yeah, Uncharted 2 would be great. Keep your kid away from those violent games! Studies have proven that violent video games cause for more aggressive kids. The difference in game violence they play will determine if they grow up to be the next Nobel prize winner or the next thug holding up a liquor store. Choose carefully what your child is exposed to. Make sure to read your facts first! http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2010/mar/vvgeffects EDIT: Well, do any of you fellas hold a PhD in Psychology? No? I think I'll stick with Dr. Anderson's professional expertise. Thank you very much. Want more proof? Ok. Here, here and here! http://www.pamf.org/preteen/parents/videogames.html http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/297 http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/children_and_video_games_playing_with_violence http://rolemodels.jou.ufl.edu/rolemodels/entertainment/videogames.shtm http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache A940LOYfzoJ:dana.ucc.nau.edu/~bjl28/Model_GroupArgument.doc+grand+theft+auto+cause+cri me+site:.edu&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=usOh and BTW, GTA does cause people to kill. Get the facts right here, here and here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/60minutes/main702599.shtml http://www.rcgd.isr.umich.edu/news/greenwood.ScientificAmer.6.22.10.pdf http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/13/earlyshow/living/parenting/main708794.shtml facts people facts! Fine, let your kids play all the violent video games they want but don't come crawling to me when their college fund suddenly becomes money for bail Maybe you've been watching too much Fox News? Supposedly, Ice Cream causes murder too. I think Borderlands might be alright. It's not particularly gory, and when there are gory deaths (people dissolving from corrosive acid), it feels really cartoony. It's nothing I couldn't handle when I was 12, I don't think. | 2010-09-05 15:59:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Keep your kid away from those violent games! Studies have proven that violent video games cause for more aggressive kids. The difference in game violence they play will determine if they grow up to be the next Nobel prize winner or the next thug holding up a liquor store. Choose carefully what your child is exposed to. Make sure to read your facts first! http://www.news.iastate.edu/news/2010/mar/vvgeffects EDIT: Well, do any of you fellas hold a PhD in Psychology? No? I think I'll stick with Dr. Anderson's professional expertise. Thank you very much. Want more proof? Ok. Here, here and here! http://www.pamf.org/preteen/parents/videogames.html http://www.drphil.com/articles/article/297 http://www.aacap.org/cs/root/facts_for_families/children_and_video_games_playing_with_violence http://rolemodels.jou.ufl.edu/rolemodels/entertainment/videogames.shtm http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache A940LOYfzoJ:dana.ucc.nau.edu/~bjl28/Model_GroupArgument.doc+grand+theft+auto+cause+cri me+site:.edu&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=usOh and BTW, GTA does cause people to kill. Get the facts right here, here and here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/06/17/60minutes/main702599.shtml http://www.rcgd.isr.umich.edu/news/greenwood.ScientificAmer.6.22.10.pdf http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/13/earlyshow/living/parenting/main708794.shtml facts people facts! Fine, let your kids play all the violent video games they want but don't come crawling to me when their college fund suddenly becomes money for bail Don't **** me off now... Only people with mental disabilities and who are predisposed to outbursts of violence are ever found to have violent video games in their homes and it's never proven its a direct cause. Also you can't listen to jack thompson because his studies/articles he references are always funded by him and therefore they always turn out with the results he wants to further his agenda. If you are not a complete nutter then playing games will have little to no effect on you. There has never been a case study of a normal, average person becoming addicted to specifically violent video games and then committing a felony because of it. I do agree that games like WoW can have serious effects, but thats not the violence thats doing it; thats the structure of the game. So yeah, stop spreading your go******** lies. | 2010-09-05 16:13:00 Author: Asbestos101  Posts: 1114 |
| Yep, most of the Battlefields, MAG, or Warhawk (although it may be dying, haven't played it in a year). I believe, that having a parent such as yourself, once you decide to allow him to get a Call of Duty (or whatever shooter), he will not be affected emotionally or physically. My parents were the same way. I think you're being smart. Introduce him slowly, until you think he's of age. | 2010-09-05 18:39:00 Author: piggabling  Posts: 2979 |
| He hasn't got the patience for Zelda. He's tried 'em all, but never gets past the first area. Basically, he can't be bothered to work out how to progress unless there's a big flashing neon sign saying "do this next". Actually, he's a lot like many LBP players in that respect. thats kinda sad, cause when i was a like 10 or 8 i had the patience to play any zelda game, well expect the water temple in OoT, caused the made me MAD!!!! | 2010-09-06 00:36:00 Author: wait wtf Posts: 853 |
| Oh yah let me say whatever you do... dont play Dante's Inferno. That game scars you for life *remembers cleopatra* | 2010-09-06 02:53:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419 |
| Oh yah let me say whatever you do... dont play Dante's Inferno. That game scars you for life *remembers cleopatra* Yea, your 'scarred' alright | 2010-09-06 02:56:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Yea, your 'scarred' alright Have you played the game? Do you not remember the tongues and the babys and everything | 2010-09-06 03:11:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419 |
| Have you played the game? Do you not remember the tongues and the babys and everything Nope, i was assuming you meant..well.. nevermind.. | 2010-09-06 03:14:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Nope, i was assuming you meant..well.. nevermind.. You don't even want to know what happens :kz: | 2010-09-06 03:44:00 Author: Snrm Posts: 6419 |
| I had to read and analyze the book for English class, very confusing and hard to read - don't read it. There are some sick levels of hell down there I'm afraid. Still wanna play the game tho | 2010-09-06 03:52:00 Author: Enlong3 Posts: 357 |
| I think Borderlands might be alright. It's not particularly gory, and when there are gory deaths (people dissolving from corrosive acid), it feels really cartoony. It's nothing I couldn't handle when I was 12, I don't think. You've got to be kidding, Borderlands is quite gruesome. In fact, the death from shock weapons is probably the most brutal looking thing I have ever seen. Plus, the enemies scream for a good 20 seconds .I still love every spec of blood in that game. It's amazing. | 2010-09-06 04:54:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412 |
| hmm... i'm sure the metroid prime games are fine, and they are VERY fun... | 2010-09-06 04:59:00 Author: theswweet Posts: 2468 |
| You've got to be kidding, Borderlands is quite gruesome. In fact, the death from shock weapons is probably the most brutal looking thing I have ever seen. Plus, the enemies scream for a good 20 seconds . I still love every spec of blood in that game. It's amazing. Eh, I guess. It just feels like a cartoon to me, though. If a game was going to turn someone into a sociopath, I would have figured it would be because of scenes like No Russian in Modern Warfare 2 and not electrocuting a space-bandit. Admittedly any of the suggestions I could make would probably be terrible for what Ungreth wants. Does he have the patience for Portal or Half-Life 2? | 2010-09-06 05:09:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Admittedly any of the suggestions I could make would probably be terrible for what Ungreth wants. Does he have the patience for Portal or Half-Life 2? Ah, now thems are suggestions! Portal is good for all ages, really. It's a little dark, but it's mostly just implied dark humor. Half-Life 2 is amazing, as is the first. If possible the first Half-Life doesn't exactly involve mindlessly killing civilians... The PS3 is seriously limited in good shooters, though. Good "kid-friendly" shooters especially. If it's really because of the multiplayer thing Burnout Paradise might actually be a good suggestion. Obviously it's not a shooter, but there's no real violence or gore... Plus the multiplayer is pretty interesting on it. I dunno. | 2010-09-06 10:07:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412 |
| I'm going to second Portal and Half-Life 2. You do kill lots of humanoids in Half-Life 2, but this is not Modern Warfare. It's a fantastic, imaginative, amazing, innovative shooter. I'm not big on shooters, but Half Life remains at the top of my list. And Portal is absolutely incredible. Better than, oh, 99.99% of fps games ever made? Did you mention the Resistance games? You only kill aliens, but it's still got that M-rated "bad-***" pedigree that stuff like modern warfare has. But honestly, it's all just alien-killing. Stay FAR away from Resident Evil 5. Don't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Same with Modern Warfare 2. Possibly two of the stupidest, most tactless games ever created. Even if they did manage to actually be fun to play... I'm a big proponent of the sociological aspect of games, and you can't ignore how far off their rockers the developers were when they created these frankensteins. Yeah, Lost Planet's perfect - you're killing gigantic aliens, very neat, action-packed, if he's interested in it that might be a good way to go. Killzone involves killing sort-of humans, and it's quite violent, but the setting and approach is so far removed from reality - unlike GTA and Modern Warfare - that it's probably a bit softer on the old desensitization. What about Bioshock? Lots of bloody violence against humans in this game without a doubt, but the approach is sort of novel. Nobody really takes away from that game the violence, they take away the mood, the setting, the world of Rapture. That's what sticks with you. It's a game filled with art and dripping with mood. It's frightening and gorgeous and novel, and most of the enemies have become more monster than human. Even if he gets a huge dosage of people-killing in it, I think anyone impressionable may take away something positive from that game - an incredibly imaginative, creatively inspiring world. Something to think about, at least. | 2010-09-06 11:06:00 Author: Teebonesy  Posts: 1937 |
| I'm going to second Portal and Half-Life 2. You do kill lots of humanoids in Half-Life 2, but this is not Modern Warfare. It's a fantastic, imaginative, amazing, innovative shooter. I'm not big on shooters, but Half Life remains at the top of my list. And Portal is absolutely incredible. Better than, oh, 99.99% of fps games ever made? Did you mention the Resistance games? You only kill aliens, but it's still got that M-rated "bad-***" pedigree that stuff like modern warfare has. But honestly, it's all just alien-killing. Stay FAR away from Resident Evil 5. Don't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Same with Modern Warfare 2. Possibly two of the stupidest, most tactless games ever created. Even if they did manage to actually be fun to play... I'm a big proponent of the sociological aspect of games, and you can't ignore how far off their rockers the developers were when they created these frankensteins. Yeah, Lost Planet's perfect - you're killing gigantic aliens, very neat, action-packed, if he's interested in it that might be a good way to go. Killzone involves killing sort-of humans, and it's quite violent, but the setting and approach is so far removed from reality - unlike GTA and Modern Warfare - that it's probably a bit softer on the old desensitization. What about Bioshock? Lots of bloody violence against humans in this game without a doubt, but the approach is sort of novel. Nobody really takes away from that game the violence, they take away the mood, the setting, the world of Rapture. That's what sticks with you. It's a game filled with art and dripping with mood. It's frightening and gorgeous and novel, and most of the enemies have become more monster than human. Even if he gets a huge dosage of people-killing in it, I think anyone impressionable may take away something positive from that game - an incredibly imaginative, creatively inspiring world. Something to think about, at least. I second everything said here. | 2010-09-06 11:13:00 Author: The Gentleman  Posts: 360 |
| You know, TF2 might also be a decent choice for multiplayer... The game has a fair amount of gore (though, there might be settings for it, can't remember), but it's a really good game... It's got a great community, and it's cartoony enough that there's a real "disconnect" from it being a "murder simulator". In other words, it's light hearted and doesn't take anything too seriously. Might as well be PC only, though... The PS3 version would be terrible in comparison. | 2010-09-06 11:43:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412 |
| My Mom and dad has the same problem, Lolz . Anyway, I myself have cod4 and im 12...I find the game more addictive than fun sometimes, especially online. You can do some of the "Challenges" they have made for online play. For example: Kill 25 People with a gun. and for that you get XP and unlocking new weapons and stuff... thats what im addictive to. i also bought it becouse i played a cod game at my friends house (it was his brothers COD and he is like 19) i liked it. (somehow O.o) i dont want another cod game... i dont think this helps at all but.... OK, So...! It depends a little on HOW FUN he thinks the game is.another friend to me have played MW2 very many times (His mom and dad wont let him buy MW2) . then i went to his house one day. and he asked me: Wanna throw Knife?! Me - What? O.o Friend - Throw Knife, Like in MW2, you know. Me - Umm.. well, sure..! We throwed knife at grass over a small hill and stuff.. and yeah... then we did something else! XD My post is maybe useless... but atleast i tried to help... if theres anything you have to ask, PM me | 2010-09-06 13:23:00 Author: BrainStew Posts: 11 |
| You know, TF2 might also be a decent choice for multiplayer... The game has a fair amount of gore (though, there might be settings for it, can't remember), but it's a really good game... It's got a great community, and it's cartoony enough that there's a real "disconnect" from it being a "murder simulator". In other words, it's light hearted and doesn't take anything too seriously. Might as well be PC only, though... The PS3 version would be terrible in comparison. yep, on PC you can use -gibs or -sillygibs in the launch commands so the gore is gone (blame the german version) or in the console. ungreth, may we know your PC specs? ok your hardware has to be pretty ancient if you can't run "older" source games but it'll help. | 2010-09-06 15:30:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824 |
| yep, on PC you can use -gibs or -sillygibs in the launch commands so the gore is gone (blame the german version) or in the console. ungreth, may we know your PC specs? ok your hardware has to be pretty ancient if you can't run "older" source games but it'll help. Ah! Honestly, I think it's a good thing that the gore is an option. Some people don't quite care for it, and that's fine... I do, however, love the contrast between the lovely cartoonish scenery and some guy exploding in a bloody mess. At any rate, if I recall correctly you can change the default launch commands so that it includes -gibs or -sillygibs. I'm not entirely sure, though... It's been almost 3 years since I have gone on steam. | 2010-09-06 16:25:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412 |
| yeah http://gyazo.com/5bbd6b8a83ab6f0886377be52e931d1f.png put anything there and it will be automatically applied. (e.g. if you don't watch the VALVe intro video and cba to press esc to skip it, enter -novid) | 2010-09-06 16:28:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824 |
| yeah http://gyazo.com/5bbd6b8a83ab6f0886377be52e931d1f.png put anything there and it will be automatically applied. (e.g. if you don't watch the VALVe intro video and cba to press esc to skip it, enter -novid) Sweet, thanks. But yeah, then you could theoretically do that and he wouldn't even have to know. Besides, in all honesty, once you get into the game you don't even notice the blood (well, if you have gore on it will zoom into your gibs when you die occasionally). Man, I don't think I'm making this game sound kid friendly at all, haha. | 2010-09-06 16:38:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412 |
| 12 years is far too young to play call of duty I believe. My little brother is 13 now and he plays the game (I might as well mention he gets tactical nukes now and then) And he seems perfectly fine. Myself I got to play 18 games regularly at his age, starting with Resistance: Fall of Man, which reminds me I can't wait for the third in the series. I do believe you should gradually introduce him for violence, start with 16+ stuff like Uncharted, which has a great story, and is a good game through and through and then introduce him to some of the better 18+ titles on the market. Myself I do not get affected of violent games in such a manner, it only adds to my imagination and word supply, since I always use the English option. Plus, I have been exposed to childhood bullying and am scarred enough as it is, which leaves me with an imagination worthy of a lunatic serial killer... | 2010-09-06 17:41:00 Author: moonwire  Posts: 1627 |
| only if he can seperate Virtual from Reality | 2010-09-06 18:08:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I don't really see the problem that people have with Manhunt.. I was playing that game when was 8 or 9 xD To me I was really just killing virtual people that were nothing. The 'No Russian' mission didn't really phase me at all either. I mean, I don't have any intention to kill, maim or cut people's heads off with cheese wire to use as a lure. Also for suggestions, I'd second Half Life or bad Company. | 2010-09-06 20:24:00 Author: FlameAtNight  Posts: 405 |
| I don't really see the problem that people have with Manhunt.. I was playing that game when was 8 or 9 xD To me I was really just killing virtual people that were nothing. The 'No Russian' mission didn't really phase me at all either. I mean, I don't have any intention to kill, maim or cut people's heads off with cheese wire to use as a lure. Also for suggestions, I'd second Half Life or bad Company. Ungreth mentioned not having any worry that this stuff is going to cause his son to turn into some kind of killer - nobody expects that. His real concern is absolutely valid, which is that a lot of exposure to this kind of thing at a young age will likely desensitize him to brutality and violence, even if it is "pretend" brutality and violence. I agree with him 100% on this. I mean I've personally noticed it happening to me as an ADULT playing these games. Anyone who plays a whole lot of really violent games and claims they don't have any desensitizing effect, I don't believe is being very honest with himself. On a very young person who's still developing, this effect is probably going to be much greater. I think Ungreth's right to try to limit his son's exposure as much as he reasonably can. He won't be able to keep him away from these types of games completely, but what he can do is keep the kid from playing them incessantly at home. Games have changed a lot since ungreth and I were kids. in the NES days, you never had to watch someone you shot, rendered in shockingly realistic graphics, bleed and squirm and struggle to hold their intestines in while moaning in miserable agony and trying with futility to crawl away from you. I mean this is a messed up world that young kids are playing stuff like this all over the place. | 2010-09-06 21:44:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| yeah, it might not seem like much but in about a week, they will be boasting to their friends about a good/funny kill they got. I have full conversations to my friends about COD 5 & MW2.But the one excuse I always used to use with my dad was that I'm not just going to pick up a gun from anywhere and shoot someone.(It never worked, but then he never actually agreed to me getting MW2(I'd stopped using it by then)) | 2010-09-06 21:52:00 Author: JayJSE2  Posts: 164 |
| you can turn gore and swearing off on Gears of war 2. And that was pretty good. also, ratchet and clank FTW | 2010-09-06 21:56:00 Author: flamingemu  Posts: 1872 |
| you can turn gore and swearing off on Gears of war 2. it's more the violence that's the problem, not the sound or graphics. EDIT:nice sig | 2010-09-06 21:58:00 Author: JayJSE2 Posts: 164 |
| It doesnt matter whether its a game where youre blowing someones head off or whether its a game with barney in it, the ESRB rating isnt going to protect your son from killing someone. you can trust ESRB to tell you whats going to give a 2 year old nightmares and whats going to give a 12 year old nightmares but you cant trust them to protect your son from what really happens in the world. ESRB isnt going to protect him forever and neither can you you can either do this now, or wait until hes 18 and joins the military to see what MW is like and get shot. you can give him everlasting fun in a videogame or you can make him wonder what its like to be in a situation like that and actually want to experience it. Your son is going to have to learn about that kind of stuff sooner or later so why not just do it now. after all he could die tommorow, and he would be wondering his whole afterlife what it must have been like to play that kind of game, so if you want to let it be then let it be its all up to you My Advice? take him hunting, he can kill something in real life without it having to be a human | 2010-09-06 22:00:00 Author: Charlemagne  Posts: 513 |
| It doesnt matter whether its a game where youre blowing someones head off or whether its a game with barney in it, the ESRB rating isnt going to protect your son from killing someone. you can trust ESRB to tell you whats going to give a 2 year old nightmares and whats going to give a 12 year old nightmares but you cant trust them to protect your son from what really happens in the world. ESRB isnt going to protect him forever and neither can you you can either do this now, or wait until hes 18 and joins the military to see what MW is like and get shot. you can give him everlasting fun in a videogame or you can make him wonder what its like to be in a situation like that and actually want to experience it. Your son is going to have to learn about that kind of stuff sooner or later so why not just do it now. after all he could die tommorow, and he would be wondering his whole afterlife what it must have been like to play that kind of game, so if you want to let it be then let it be its all up to you My Advice? take him hunting, he can kill something in real life without it having to be a human also, hire him a prostitute, get some cocaine and teach him the wonders of life? No. Some things, people don't have to experiance; i don't nor EVER WILL I smoke anything. | 2010-09-06 22:07:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| Ungreth, the ESRB won't stop your son from becoming a serial killer, your one major concern that you expressed in the OP. Now, I may be 16, but I think you should listen to my parenting advice. I play violent video games all the time, and I haven't even been convicted yet! | 2010-09-06 23:16:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Sorry... isn't this thread going slightly off topic? They guy just wanted some suggestions for games - It sounds like he and his wife have already made up their minds about games like COD - and I think we should respect that. If it's army games you're after - look up Operation Flashpoint: Dragon Rising. I enjoyed that - it's a tactical game and is more about completing the mission at hand then brutally killing people for no obvious reason. That includes "Real people". I remember I used to play a game called Ghost Recon when I was younger - it was the original and I really enjoyed that - it wasn't just mindless killing but had more to do with tactics, and involved more thinking than just shooting anything that moved. | 2010-09-07 02:18:00 Author: standby250 Posts: 1113 |
| Ungreth, the ESRB won't stop your son from becoming a serial killer, your one major concern that you expressed in the OP. It's not about kids going out and repeating what they see in games. It's about the emotional desensitization that comes with it. Why is it that anytime anyone mentions violent videogames being unhealthy, everyone defending them instantly assumes that the issue is that "games create killers," even if the topic starter never once mentioned that being the issue? Is it because it's an incredibly easy claim to defend against, totally lacking nuance and reason? Is it because the statement "violent videogames create emotional desensitization over time" strikes an uncomfy nerve? | 2010-09-07 03:34:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| In 1999 when I was 12 I remember reading in a magazine that people were upset over a particular scene in Syphon Filter where you have to kill a hostage while they plead with you for their lives. I never did play anything more than the demo of that game but that sort of **** is bog-standard in games now. I don't know if they're necessarily more violent now because I had Amiga games where you'd shoot someone and they'd explode all over the screen lol I don't think there's anything wrong with holding back on the more graphic games for a couple of years. 12 seems a bit young, that's barely starting secondary school. Maybe I'm wrong I dunno. | 2010-09-07 05:25:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454 |
| In 1999 when I was 12 I remember reading in a magazine that people were upset over a particular scene in Syphon Filter where you have to kill a hostage while they plead with you for their lives. I never did play anything more than the demo of that game but that sort of **** is bog-standard in games now. I don't know if they're necessarily more violent now because I had Amiga games where you'd shoot someone and they'd explode all over the screen lol I don't think there's anything wrong with holding back on the more graphic games for a couple of years. 12 seems a bit young, that's barely starting secondary school. Maybe I'm wrong I dunno. Dude ive been playing those games since i was like 6 if i can do it early without turning into a psychopath then his son can. You modern people have soooooo much OCD | 2010-09-07 05:49:00 Author: Charlemagne Posts: 513 |
| Dude ive been playing those games since i was like 6 if i can do it early without turning into a psychopath then his son can. You modern people have soooooo much OCD It's not a matter of you turning into a psychopath. It's a moral imperative on part of the parents and a concern for the psychological wellbeing/happiness/development of their child. Personally I see nothing wrong with playing shooting games like Timesplitters or whatever, I think it's the graphic content that was mentioned earlier in the thread (an example given was a guy's guts spilling out all over the place) that was the point of contention. | 2010-09-07 06:09:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454 |
| Oh please, what kind of mental damage comes from blowing someone into pieces in a game, you people are like in a clan of buzz kills everytime someone just wants to do something for fun everyone has to quarantine it and turn it into a freakin disease, its kinda like that episode of spongebob | 2010-09-07 06:31:00 Author: Charlemagne Posts: 513 |
| I have a 12 year old son who has just bought a PS3. He wants to play shooting games like Call of Duty, because his friends are playing 'em. I've told him absolutely no way, and his mum shares the same view as me. I don't mind him playing shooting games like R&C or Transformers, but I don't want him exposed to scenes of graphic mutilation, sadism, torture, sexual content, bad language, etc. Can anyone recommend any good shooting games that are suitable for a 12 year old boy to play? well, TBH im 13 and find nothing wrong with the Call of Duty series, their barlly graphic, no torture, not any sexual content that I can remember... Just let him play online and not the story, stories a bit.... gory in one level (MW2) | 2010-09-07 06:49:00 Author: YEAH_NAH  Posts: 775 |
| well, TBH im 13 and find nothing wrong with the Call of Duty series, their barlly graphic, no torture, not any sexual content that I can remember... Just let him play online and not the story, stories a bit.... gory in one level (MW2)Yeah...........nah......... | 2010-09-07 06:52:00 Author: Charlemagne Posts: 513 |
| Ah, I remember the days when my parents wouldn't let me play Goldeneye. And now all the kids are playing COD, lol. | 2010-09-07 07:02:00 Author: TheJollyRajah  Posts: 466 |
| Modern Warfare 2 itself isn't gory or contain any scenes of people being : mutilated, de-spining, reverse urination, liquification of any sort of humans, or limbs being torn off and shoved up other peoples buttocks. The only thing bloody about MW2, is probably when you get shot and the screen is covered in red! Very easy to convince him that the bad-guys guns are shooting ketchup. Plus, when they die, money just flies out! Hooray! So I agree on Prop "illuminationx" to allow your son to play. If that doesn't help in anyway, only allow him to play when you are home, so you can keep a good watch on him! A friend of mine allows his 9 year old to play, under supervision that is. | 2010-09-07 07:58:00 Author: illuminationx  Posts: 860 |
| Oh please, what kind of mental damage comes from blowing someone into pieces in a game? It doesnt matter whether its a game where youre blowing someones head off or whether its a game with barney in it, the ESRB rating isnt going to protect your son from killing someone. you can trust ESRB to tell you whats going to give a 2 year old nightmares and whats going to give a 12 year old nightmares but you cant trust them to protect your son from what really happens in the world. ESRB isnt going to protect him forever and neither can you you can either do this now, or wait until hes 18 and joins the military to see what MW is like and get shot. you can give him everlasting fun in a videogame or you can make him wonder what its like to be in a situation like that and actually want to experience it. Your son is going to have to learn about that kind of stuff sooner or later so why not just do it now. after all he could die tommorow, and he would be wondering his whole afterlife what it must have been like to play that kind of game, so if you want to let it be then let it be its all up to you My Advice? take him hunting, he can kill something in real life without it having to be a human ^That... Apparently psychological damage that makes you think the world is full of homicidal children that'll join gangs and the army and kill everyone if they don't play shooter games... Dude ive been playing those games since i was like 6 if i can do it early without turning into a psychopath then his son can. You modern people have soooooo much OCD Yeah...without turning into a psycho...of course your comments don't lead us to believe so at all... You know what Ungreth, actually I think you shouldn't buy those shooter games after all, Idk, just seems like a bad idea for some reason all of a suddend... | 2010-09-07 08:47:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| Well I'm 13 and my parents don't let me play games over r13... Yes it can be annoying but I can see it from my Parents view. Maybe try giving him some other genres, like RPGs or rts's... Maybe some kids parents don't want their kids telling their friends about how many Nazi zombie they killed (yeahnah). Contrary to popular belief, fps's aren't the only good games.... | 2010-09-07 11:22:00 Author: AA_BATTERY  Posts: 1117 |
| If I had a kid, I wouldn't let them play online. Hell, I wouldn't let them near youtube unsupervised until they were at least 13 | 2010-09-07 12:38:00 Author: Asbestos101 Posts: 1114 |
| I played San Andreas when I was 10 -_- | 2010-09-07 13:41:00 Author: MrShoobalooba Posts: 1 |
| i played scary games and shooters when i was 5-8. Now i'm scared of almost everything. Before i played those games I would happily dive into a pit of sharks, if there was a ?5 note at the bottom. Playing shooter, like giving pocketmoney is diferrent for different parents, but playing scary/gory/sexually themed/ discriminative games does long-lasting phsycologial damage, or just makes your kids think it's okay to shoot people. The typical 11-year-old has seen nearly 8,000 murders on TV. Yet most of us aren’t shocked. That’s because we’ve all grown used to seeing a lot of violence – especially in movies and video games. Studies tell us that kids who see a lot may be more aggressive. They may even learn that hurting others is OK. They need you to help them understand violence – real and virtual. | 2010-09-07 16:31:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| Seeming as i am 13... I don't think there should be any restriction what-so-ever against these type of games. Although you should probably keep him away from games like God Of War or Heavy Rain.( I got a little depressed for a week after play heavy rain for an hour lol) A good shooter such as COD doesn't really have much gore in it. Although Online may be a problem for various players with headsets so try and keep the volume a bit low. I could Possible suggest Uncharted 2? I don't know about others but that game was not gory at all and Im sure he'll love it as much as i did. Just keep him from thinking reality is the same as virtual, Thats a point of view coming from a 13 year old! (Although i am turning 14 Fairly soon... =D) | 2010-09-07 16:49:00 Author: Tawarf Posts: 457 |
| If you are still looking for a game for him the I would yet again recomend warhawk. I am 14 now and have been playing it two years so scince I was around his age. there is a small amount of blood but nothing graphic, plus you cant see it unless you are very close to the person in question. When I got the game my mum said that I was only alowwed to play it for short periods of time, and as long as i played something with less shooting in between (hence littlebigplanet) or, if he doesn't mind the fact that theres no online in it, valkyria chronicles delivers a much more adult aspect to war. the story works in a way that doesn't make it seem like war is amazing fun and headshots are cool ect, but shows just how horrible it can be. theres no blood, and I think I only noticed 2 or 3 swear words, none of which were particularly bad | 2010-09-07 17:39:00 Author: Smudge228 Posts: 533 |
| If I had a kid, I wouldn't let them play online. indeed, the mw2 community is worse than the actual game. | 2010-09-07 18:13:00 Author: oldage Posts: 2824 |
| Wow, this thread makes a good read Anyway, I'm 14 years old, and the only game anyone ever even mentions in my school is COD. I'm not allowed to play games over my age, but to be honest, it's never really done much. I play games that are actually decent, but at the same time don't go other the age limit. Dragon Quest IX, LittleBigPlanet and Okami all come to mind, and the highest ratings there are 12. As many other people have said, I think the best bet would be to steer him away from FPS's if you don't want him playing them. Football games apparently have a good online multiplayer, wheras RPGs last ages and require some thinking. Having said that, I find PEGI have suddenly gotten a lot harsher recently. For example: Brawl was a 12+. Melee was a 3+ R&C PS2 is 3+, R&C PS3 is 7+ Dragon Quest IX is 12+ (oh no, you hit someone with a sword :O) Okami is 12+ ( a few people die, no blood or anything, and that's all I can think of) | 2010-09-07 18:38:00 Author: kirbyman62  Posts: 1893 |
| Ungreth, just make him a level! | 2010-09-07 18:54:00 Author: javi haguse  Posts: 744 |
| Wow, this thread makes a good read Anyway, I'm 14 years old, and the only game anyone ever even mentions in my school is COD. I'm not allowed to play games over my age, but to be honest, it's never really done much. I play games that are actually decent, but at the same time don't go other the age limit. Dragon Quest IX, LittleBigPlanet and Okami all come to mind, and the highest ratings there are 12. As many other people have said, I think the best bet would be to steer him away from FPS's if you don't want him playing them. Football games apparently have a good online multiplayer, wheras RPGs last ages and require some thinking. Having said that, I find PEGI have suddenly gotten a lot harsher recently. For example: Brawl was a 12+. Melee was a 3+ R&C PS2 is 3+, R&C PS3 is 7+ Dragon Quest IX is 12+ (oh no, you hit someone with a sword :O) Okami is 12+ ( a few people die, no blood or anything, and that's all I can think of) well if your birthday is close I think COD Black ops is going to be a 15 and the only part of MW2 that is an 18 can be disabled | 2010-09-07 19:34:00 Author: JayJSE2 Posts: 164 |
| Why is it that anytime anyone mentions violent videogames being unhealthy, everyone defending them instantly assumes that the issue is that "games create killers," even if the topic starter never once mentioned that being the issue? Is it because it's an incredibly easy claim to defend against, totally lacking nuance and reason? Is it because the statement "violent videogames create emotional desensitization over time" strikes an uncomfy nerve? Sarcasm <3 Get him Portal. Do it. | 2010-09-07 23:52:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| This thread got me asking the question, "Why are there no kid friendly and humorous FPS?" Time splitters came pretty close but I'm not sure parents would judge shouts of "Lobotomy!" and some of the other stuff very kid friendly. I can't see, "Muuum, what's a lobotomy?" being a very nice conversation Surely there would be a market for this, this thread pretty much proves that point, and surely it wouldn't be hard to make a decent one. If done well even adults could enjoy it. Then again these are the opinions of someone who played 007 Golden eye at age 8. But I turned out alright... right?  But seriously a humorous and kid friendly FPS would be great, I'd be more inclined to play that than Resistance or something. | 2010-09-08 00:14:00 Author: SR20DETDOG  Posts: 2431 |
| Being 16 myself, call of duty is the must play multiplayer game (already pre-ordered black- ops), Call of duty features very little gore and I believe that blood etc can be turned off, what you should be worried about is the language used in online multiplayer (I myself partake in such lingo) you could mute other players and im pretty sure that you can block messages. I'm sure that yor son is already exposed to such language at school anyway but most of us have enough respect to nether say such things in the presence of our parents. Since call of duty: modern warfare released many years back, it has become one of the most popular multiplayer games ever. It's something big, every single male including the teachers at my school own a console and play Modern Warfare, you can worry about everything that you mentioned and keep him excluded from the fun, or you can trust you've raised him well enough to not be influenced. The world isn't full of unicorns prancing about. EDIT: If any thing COD should improve your sons social abilities, so he wont cry when someone calls him something like a sad c*nt | 2010-09-08 00:26:00 Author: MrFunctionality  Posts: 637 |
| Being 16 myself, call of duty is the must play multiplayer game (already pre-ordered black- ops), Call of duty features very little gore and I believe that blood etc can be turned off, what you should be worried about is the language used in online multiplayer (I myself partake in such lingo) you could mute other players and im pretty sure that you can block messages. I'm sure that yor son is already exposed to such language at school anyway but most of us have enough respect to nether say such things in the presence of our parents. Since call of duty: modern warfare released many years back, it has become one of the most popular multiplayer games ever. It's something big, every single male including the teachers at my school own a console and play Modern Warfare, you can worry about everything that you mentioned and keep him excluded from the fun, or you can trust you've raised him well enough to not be influenced. The world isn't full of unicorns prancing about. EDIT: If any thing COD should improve your sons social abilities, so he wont cry when someone calls him something like a sad c*nt I dont exactly agree fully, but I do agree that your son must have played it once in his life. Its an internet phenominon. I dont encourage you to buy the game, but hes going to complain every once in ahwile about everyone else having it. Sadly, he wont get any other COD games like modernwarfare 2, as the devloper, Ininityward had major issues, and ended the modern warfare series they were popular for. Its either now, or never. Although I can understand where you stand on the issue, Ungreth. This thread got me asking the question, "Why are there no kid friendly and humorous FPS?" Time splitters came pretty close but I'm not sure parents would judge shouts of "Lobotomy!" and some of the other stuff very kid friendly. I can't see, "Muuum, what's a lobotomy?" being a very nice conversation Surely there would be a market for this, this thread pretty much proves that point, and surely it wouldn't be hard to make a decent one. If done well even adults could enjoy it. Then again these are the opinions of someone who played 007 Golden eye at age 8. But I turned out alright... right? But seriously a humorous and kid friendly FPS would be great, I'd be more inclined to play that than Resistance or something. I like this idea, I would love a kid friendly FPS. Never seen an FPS thats strays past the Teen rating. Get him Portal. Do it. Agreed. | 2010-09-08 03:58:00 Author: grayspence Posts: 1990 |
| ^That... Apparently psychological damage that makes you think the world is full of homicidal children that'll join gangs and the army and kill everyone if they don't play shooter games... Yeah...without turning into a psycho...of course your comments don't lead us to believe so at all... You know what Ungreth, actually I think you shouldn't buy those shooter games after all, Idk, just seems like a bad idea for some reason all of a suddend... Do you really wanna play this game buddy? i swear to god i cant enter a simple discussion thread without someone twisting my words around and throwing it at my face, am i aggressive? no im defensive, and youre acting like im screaming when im typing, so if you wanna be a troll, then so be it, but if you wanna be nice and quiet then perfect, but dont spew crap at me like that, over all the things you can do to me, that crosses the line. | 2010-09-10 18:56:00 Author: Charlemagne Posts: 513 |
| Okay, Considering that I'm 16 and almost 17 and not allowed to play War Games, I can understand what you are saying Ungreth. I really don't like my parents' opinions, but I respect them. They have allowed me to play Halo though. IDK What they're logic is. I really am sick and tired of not being able to play the COD games, but I found other games that intrest me more. Castle Crashers is a great game for all ages, even though it is rated T. You can turn blood and gore off or on. (your choice) And it has plenty of humor! You basically go around rescuing all of the princesses. Battle your way to victory! Just a suggestion, but Pixel Junk Shooter is a fun game too! | 2010-09-12 22:10:00 Author: theonlybub  Posts: 690 |
| Well as many people above have said sheltering him from it will just be exposing him to it without your guidance. 1st of all there are plenty of good fps games that don't have blood or gore, or not alot of it. Just visit gamestop and checkout afew games that look good check the rating and research 'em a little. 2nd I dont see what's wrong with call of duty MW2 you can skip the mission 'no russian' and last I checked you can set the blood level in the options, also just becasue your kid might see something bad doesn't mean he will take after it. Just make sure you're there to explain the reality of the thing and what's bad about it the first few times through. example: "Hey dad did you see captain [blank] shoot that terrorist while he was falling, and then execute him with his pistol!" "Yea that was Ba*******!" FAIL! "Hey dad did you see captain [blank] shoot that terrorists while he was falling, and then execute him with his pistol!" "In the military they have rules of engagment and killing someone when they could kidnap them can be considered a warcrime, did you know that even 'terroists' have families just like we have a family and the reason they're being terrorist is because they were taught to believe what they're doing is right just like our soldiers are? War isn't about killing people in awesome ways like in this game, it is just an exagerated reality." WIN! | 2010-09-13 05:29:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Hey, I forgot to tell you! There is a website that I go to to look at games and movies before I get them/see them. www.pluggedin.com is an amazing website for families to get an overview of a game when it comes out. It lists all the negatives and the positives. I go there everyday to see what is new! Everyone check out what they say about LBP (http://www.pluggedin.com/games/2008/q4/littlebigplanet.aspx)! | 2010-09-13 05:36:00 Author: theonlybub Posts: 690 |
| Oh please, what kind of mental damage comes from blowing someone into pieces in a game, you people are like in a clan of buzz kills everytime someone just wants to do something for fun everyone has to quarantine it and turn it into a freakin disease, its kinda like that episode of spongebob You only get a buzz from gore? | 2010-09-13 16:05:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454 |
| Like i sed only if he can seperate Virtual from Reality /thread | 2010-09-13 16:48:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Wow, this is a long thread. As a fellow parent, I would recommend going to the ESRB (or European equivalent, or whatever it is in your country) and make a decision for yourself. They list anything and everything that would be questionable to a parent. That way you can decide, at a glance, what's contained in the game, and whether or not it's appropriate for your kid. You mentioned Lost Planet 2 and that game has a single cuss word, some scantily clad women (but not nude) with jiggly parts, and simulated orange alien blood, for instance. You can see that and more just by flipping through Comedy Central, Spike TV, and the SciFi channel in about 5 minutes, so... It's also a bit funny to read some of the replies here, as it's quite easy to tell which ones are from kids themselves ("Yeah, jus get it he wont be a psycho look at me!") and those from some of the older folks here. I know I might sound all "holier than thou," but once you have kids, everything (and I mean: everything) in your life changes, including lots of long-held beliefs and perspectives you may have previously had. That's not to say that violent video games breed violent people, or that not exposing your kid to stuff like that makes them more prone to seek it on their own. Rather, it means that you should probably take your kids personality and maturity into consideration very carefully before deciding whether or not you want to give/allow such video games. Just my two pennies. | 2010-09-14 01:31:00 Author: schm0  Posts: 1239 |
| I agree with dman517 about teaching your son about the reality of these things. I think you should teach him about self-control, help him understand what is good and what is wrong. If he did something in a game say like in MW2 he throws a knife at someone, with self-control and understanding about the reality of video games, he would know that throwing a knife at an innocent person is not the right thing to do, and that throwing knives should only be done in the virtual world. My parents taught me about these things, and it helped me have a firm grip on my actions. They even let me play this violent fighting game: Mortal Kombat, when I was still a little kid. I turned out all right, I know about self-control, that I should be good to others and that I should think about others, not just me. I play MW2, MW1, and various other games, I think it depends if kids can tell the difference between virtual and reality, if they can handle the game, if they have good parents, and if they are mentally stable. I respect your opinion, Ungreth. This is just what I have to say about this. (For anyone who's wondering, for your information, I'm 14) :kz: | 2010-09-15 07:24:00 Author: Black265  Posts: 208 |
| Why don't you just let him play LBP? | 2010-09-15 16:54:00 Author: MasterCreator  Posts: 464 |
| I haven't really read through these discussions here but I don't think seeing mature content is the problem for most people, but for goodness sake the age limit should be on the microphones... too many screaming kids online | 2010-09-15 17:09:00 Author: napero7  Posts: 1653 |
| Battlefield 1943 can be really fun, It's rated T for Violence (No blood, swearing, or anything.) The only down side is that there is no campaign, and when playing online, people will always swear. But, the PS3 doesn't come with a headset (unlike XBox) so less people will be talking online than on the XBox. It's only $15 on the PSN Store. Of course, you can mute anyone with a dirty mouth in-game. | 2010-09-16 01:18:00 Author: tjb0607  Posts: 1054 |
| Battlefield 1943; Of course, you can mute anyone with a dirty mouth in-game. HOW?! On another note; I still suggest you rent MAG. | 2010-09-16 16:39:00 Author: Fishrock123 Posts: 1578 |
| HOW?! On another note; I still suggest you rent MAG. crap... lol, I never thought about that... But I almost never see anyone having a headset in that game, and haalf the time they DO have one... I don't think I remember anyone swearing online on that game (If I remember correctly) Maybe you can have him leave the game and join another game if someone is swearing too much. | 2010-09-17 05:03:00 Author: tjb0607 Posts: 1054 |
| crap... lol, I never thought about that... But I almost never see anyone having a headset in that game, and haalf the time they DO have one... I don't think I remember anyone swearing online on that game (If I remember correctly) Maybe you can have him leave the game and join another game if someone is swearing too much. A better solution is to go for a game that you can mute people. On that same note: MAG's proximity chat cannot be turned off. But you'll hear less than BF1943 if you sound is down. IMO. Note that really, in this society, he's going to end up hearing swear words no matter what. | 2010-09-17 16:03:00 Author: Fishrock123 Posts: 1578 |
| too many pages to read so i'll just say this: if his friends have access to the game...then sooner or later he WILL play the game out of pure temptation...i say let him play the game...and to add to it...get interested in that shooter with him so as to have a parent/child bonding...this also gives you a chance to explain to him how stuff like this doesn't fly in real life and such...i feel as a gamer when i have my kid he/she will be introduced to video games and when the time comes for M rated games i'll have a LOT to say to them about it and what they can and can't do and what's acceptable and such. you can't protect your kids forever...best thing to do is to introduce them to a situation and the best way to handle it...not tell them to never experience that situation...because sooner or later it'll happen...so its better to prepare them then to tell them not to do it and when it happens they have no idea what to do there's tons more to say but i think my point is clear...im sure that if you moderate what goes on in the games and see somethin too extreme for him you can always have a sit down at the end and explain why thats not cool or why what he just saw should never be attempted in real life...anyways thats just me but let me know what you decide to do | 2010-09-17 16:14:00 Author: Shadowcrazy  Posts: 3365 |
| Note that really, in this society, he's going to end up hearing swear words no matter what. Yeah, pretty much. No matter what, there are definitely some kids at his school who use swears, and he's going to hear it. It doesn't matter how young he is. | 2010-09-18 04:41:00 Author: Arkei Posts: 1432 |
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