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Thoughts on H4Hs?

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What do you guys think about H4H?

No one will judge you on what you pick...maybe me a bit

NOTE: Im not asking for H4hs and if its bad to ask about it, please lock this mods
2010-08-17 23:46:00

Author:
Unknown User


You now h4h it's not allowed here at LBP Central!!!!
But i think it's just an easy way to getting hearts for those
creators that don't have cool leves
2010-08-17 23:47:00

Author:
shadow3596
Posts: 2442


Sorry to say it this way, but that's kind of a strange question to ask here at LBPC. We totally frown on H4H and therefore it really isn't a question to ask. In fact I think it tells you that in the sign up sheet.

Here at LBPC, we pride ourselves on earning our hearts. There are some of the most gifted, talented and unique creators in all of LBP roaming around this site, so asking that is kinda like asking if we would all rather be playing some other game. We love creating in LBP and the joy of sharing that with our friends and improving ourselves with every level is such a joy that no amount of hearts could ever take its place.

All the best!
2010-08-17 23:57:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383


In my opinion I think H4H is a way of cheating. And it makes me sick that people feel that they can overrun the system by just creating a blank level and asking people to heart them, when we are all creating incredible levels and in my case not getting noticed

it's just not right.
2010-08-18 00:03:00

Author:
AssassinatorRFC
Posts: 715


There are some of the most gifted, talented and unique creators in all of LBP roaming around this site

Then there's me. With my game.

Hai.

... H4H=bad but no real surprise.
2010-08-18 00:14:00

Author:
RockSauron
Posts: 10882


I understand what hes saying. hes not asking for hearts, hes asking us how much we hate H4H... which is a lot. ALOT! Trophies have ruined video games. they are nothing but something shiny for the mindless masses to hoard. i would rather have NO trophies at all than have ONE trophy from H4H. trophies make games about numbers not about fun. goodbye.2010-08-18 00:20:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806


H4H is the discarded ******* child of LBP. It's always there looming in the corner like some repellent hunchbacked smelly old tramp that drinks bottle after bottle of your non-alcoholic grape juice until it starts p*ssing itself all over your mother's treasured beige carpet.2010-08-18 00:22:00

Author:
Keanster96
Posts: 1436


yeah 99.9% of LBPC hates H4H, and it's actually literally 99.9% 2010-08-18 00:24:00

Author:
Snrm
Posts: 6419


I don't see the problem with H4H, at first, I didn't like it because I was just trying to be like everyone here. But really, all it gets you is a trophy that only your friends can see, and they really know if you're a good creator or not, they don't need to see if you have a trophy. Sure, some may use H4H to gain hearts on there creator profile and levels, but I, and I don't think others, seldom look at how many hearts there are in the first place on a profile. Hearts are no way to show how good a creator is.

So...H4H, I don't use it, and it is a bit annoying, and becomes very irritating when it is spammed.
2010-08-18 03:15:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193


H4H is totally sweet.2010-08-18 03:22:00

Author:
Jrange378
Posts: 573


H4H is totally sweet.

Ninjas Slay H4H; check my sig for the rest of the story.
2010-08-18 03:38:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578


lolwut i luv teh h4h

if ur reeding dis plzzzzz hart lvl an autor k thnx

/Extreme sarcasm
2010-08-18 03:40:00

Author:
RJA00000
Posts: 387


My thoughts on H4H are this: I do not ask for H4H because it is against my nature to do so. I like earning my reward instead of finding an easy route. However, I do not see it as much of a problem either. Why? Well, some people play LBP for the trophies. (That is fine.) And others spend lots of time trying to make great levels for an awesome community! (Like LBPC) Honestly, I do not get too annoyed with people asking H4H. I kindly tell them no thanks and I keep on playing LBP the way I want to. Now when people start deliberately spamming your message box and level comments with H4H, that is wrong. (But that's a whole other story.)2010-08-18 03:43:00

Author:
ShamgarBlade
Posts: 1010


H4H has also invaded other games. The other day I was playing ModNation Racers, and some guy had typed into the chat-box (?) he's offering D4Ds (download for download). Can you believe it? Absolutely despicable.




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2010-08-18 04:55:00

Author:
DrShmoogle
Posts: 115


I understand h4h in it's principal, some people don't have enough time to make a great level. They love the game, and they love messing around in the creator, "Workshopping" and such, and they love playing the levels. They aren't going to get that trophy playing the way they want to. Some people are fine with that, I'm sure. But the point of trophies are that they reward the player. People like them, because they like to feel like they accomplished something.

Now you might be thinking, but Enjay, they didn't accomplish anything, they cheated!

Yes, they did. They found a part of the game, they didn't like. They chose not to play it. They can now never get the "ultimate accomplishment" of a platinum trophy. The metagames are part of the game, and I say, if they beat the game, they deserve to have the option to beat the metagame as well. It's about having fun, not forcing people to make great levels if they don't want to. I say, just let them have fun in their own way.

I, however, love creating, and playing, so I look forward to earning all of the trophies the "fair" way, so I can feel SUPER PROUD of myself when someday I have that platinum trophy.
2010-08-18 05:04:00

Author:
Enjay
Posts: 79


No, I think you're wrong Enjay.

trophies are just that - a reward for a certain behaviour.

ie: You killed 10,000 enemies - Congratulations - you get a reward.
People looking at your profile (it's not always just friends that do this... you might be comparing stats of a particular nemesis or forum troll etc) can then see that you've put the hours in.


Now, the "Create Reward" is a gold trophy. The criterea for unlocking it is 30 hearts as a creator and 50 hearts on your level. Now it was set as such in order to get you to engage with the community (like any multiplayer trophy).
Due to H4Hers, it has actually devalued this trophy - as looking at someones LBP trophies you won't be able to tell (without knowing them) - wether they are an awesome creator who actually deserved the trophy - or wether they are a duchebag level spamming trophy whore who cluttered up Little Big Planet with their begging level - rather than get the trophy based on their own merits..
Every H4Her is like a drunken tramp begging for coins - scumming the place up and generally inconvieniencing the rest of us who are hard at work.

Now if they say "But I don't have the time" or "I'm just not that good at creating" - then you don't deserve the trophy - end of story.

Just as any other mutliplayer game trophy - if you suck at the mutliplayer aspect, then your not going to get (or at least 'shouldn't get&aposthe trophies.


Incidentally, I'm still only 3 creator hearts away from the gold create - and in turn the platinum - trophy *wink wink - nudge nudge - say no more*
2010-08-18 09:48:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970


I hate H4H but I love Heart4Beta!2010-08-18 11:28:00

Author:
trip090
Posts: 1562


H4H = I'll say your crap smells like roses if you say mine tastes like Ferrero Rocher. 2010-08-18 11:35:00

Author:
Ungreth
Posts: 2130


H4H = I'll say your crap smells like roses if you say mine tastes like Ferrero Rocher.

Monsieur Ambassador - with these cheap crappy chocolates you are really spoiling us!
2010-08-18 11:58:00

Author:
Macnme
Posts: 1970


Its like boosting in MW2, but not AS bad2010-08-22 22:20:00

Author:
m4tr1x35
Posts: 50


I understand h4h in it's principal, some people don't have enough time to make a great level. They love the game, and they love messing around in the creator, "Workshopping" and such, and they love playing the levels. They aren't going to get that trophy playing the way they want to. Some people are fine with that, I'm sure. But the point of trophies are that they reward the player. People like them, because they like to feel like they accomplished something.

Now you might be thinking, but Enjay, they didn't accomplish anything, they cheated!

Yes, they did. They found a part of the game, they didn't like. They chose not to play it. They can now never get the "ultimate accomplishment" of a platinum trophy. The metagames are part of the game, and I say, if they beat the game, they deserve to have the option to beat the metagame as well. It's about having fun, not forcing people to make great levels if they don't want to. I say, just let them have fun in their own way.

I, however, love creating, and playing, so I look forward to earning all of the trophies the "fair" way, so I can feel SUPER PROUD of myself when someday I have that platinum trophy.


Exactly.
And a badly designed metagame leads can lead to undesirable behavior in the community side of your game. If hearting would have been presented like a "favorite" system and that there would be no reward for favoriting stuff, H4H wouldn't be. The real problem is Media Molecule that didn't think more than 2 sec about their trophies. They basically forced people to go into competition in ways and in places it shouldn't be. And MM totally harvested what they did sow: H4H, levels spamming, etc

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2010-08-22 22:42:00

Author:
RangerZero
Posts: 3901


As many people said, it is like cheating, it's how noobies get hearts, but my levels suck so hard the only hearts I get are from my friends, but at least I didn't ask them! 2010-08-26 09:00:00

Author:
Unknown User


Thoughts on H4H?

Nope!
2010-08-26 09:05:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707


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