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POTC Might Not Be Needed To Use Water In LBP2!

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I just found this on Media Molecule (http://twitter.com/mediamolecule)'s Twitter!


http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/LBPC-Style/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted via Twitter by misterneon http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/LBPC-Style/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://twitter.com/misterneon/status/20918856053)

But will I need the PoTC kit to use water in LBP2?


http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/LBPC-Style/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted via Twitter by mediamolecule http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/LBPC-Style/buttons/viewpost-right.png (http://twitter.com/mediamolecule/status/20922699008)

I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think so, no

Unless I'm not understanding this right, does this mean those without the POTC pack will be able to use water in LBP2? 		2010-08-13 01:36:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

That's AWESOME!!!
Even tho i already bought the POTC level kit!!!		2010-08-13 01:38:00

Author:
shadow3596
Posts: 2442

Define "use" - Currently you don't need PoTC to "use" it, just to create with it.2010-08-13 02:03:00

Author:
Mrgenji
Posts: 803

Define "use" - Currently you don't need PoTC to "use" it, just to create with it.
Mm wouldn't have to confirm something that simple do they?		2010-08-13 02:10:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

Mm wouldn't have to confirm something that simple do they?

he's just tryna be a smarty pants. >_>		2010-08-13 02:44:00

Author:
Strodigy
Posts: 124

I just found this on Media Molecule (http://twitter.com/mediamolecule)'s Twitter!





Unless I'm not understanding this right, does this mean those without the POTC pack will be able to use water in LBP2?

Kinda makes sense though - isn't LBP2 just like a Gigantic expansion pack? 		2010-08-13 02:45:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

Kinda makes sense though - isn't LBP2 just like a Gigantic expansion pack?
Not really.

Not at all, in fact.		2010-08-13 03:28:00

Author:
Arkei
Posts: 1432

Hmmm...i too have the Pirate kit and outfits but this would be pretty cool even if not useful for me :3
hmMmm.... i wonder what goods LBP2 will have that has not been said, can't wait to find out! Yoho!. *mew		2010-08-13 03:54:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

I thought this was obvious.
I was just assuming it came with all of the power-ups/enhancements/etc.		2010-08-13 04:10:00

Author:
Sack-Jake
Posts: 1153

Sorry to dissappoint but you WILL NEED PotC to use water even in LBP2. Oc you can swim in it. This shouldn't be in news and media anyway.2010-08-13 05:23:00

Author:
FreeAim
Posts: 2462

Sorry to dissappoint but you WILL NEED PotC to use water even in LBP2.THIS is MOSTLY TRUE 2010-08-13 05:25:00

Author:
SackBoy98
Posts: 588

Sorry to dissappoint but you WILL NEED PotC to use water even in LBP2. Oc you can swim in it. This shouldn't be in news and media anyway.

But what is your source here? If it's the lower end of your back area, please allow me to believe more in Media Molecule's twitter...		2010-08-13 05:42:00

Author:
RangerZero
Posts: 3901

I think they meant that new animated material of water.2010-08-13 05:58:00

Author:
tomodon246
Posts: 624

Water create tools are part of DLC that has to be paid for, as is the paintinator and paint tools. You cannot insert these objects into your levels in LBP, without first getting the DLC, but you can play levels that use them online. Also, MediaMolecule have said that "all DLC you have previously bought can be brought over into LBP2", so it follows logically that you will still be unable to put paintinators in your levels until you buy the DLC.

The discrepancy arises in that game data for water may not be present in LBP2, so the game won't even be able to use water at all until a patch is installed. Including water create tools in LBP2, or any other DLC for that matter, completely undermines the purpose of DLC at all.		2010-08-13 18:30:00

Author:
Holguin86
Posts: 875

MM promised nothing. Anyway POTC is such a great money source so they wouldn't make it unwanted. Still I won't say 100% it won't be there but all the facts and possibilities say so. Don't we already have a thread like this?2010-08-13 18:35:00

Author:
FreeAim
Posts: 2462

When the PotC pack first came out, I was surprised. I had thought we were just going to get water. Remember, the "water switch" is separated from the other levels- it is in a tutorial level. Maybe just the water mechanics, like the water switch, and global water, (and maybe the bubble switch) will be included, but not all the PotC stickers and materials. Either way, I'll still feel cheated; I only bought the PotC pack to use water, not for the materials and other prizes.2010-08-13 18:42:00

Author:
Stoicrow
Posts: 276

But what is your source here? If it's the lower end of your back area, please allow me to believe more in Media Molecule's twitter...

Sure I'll let you to believe in what you want. I'm just being realistic. Please don't get mad from such silly things lol 		2010-08-13 18:46:00

Author:
FreeAim
Posts: 2462

That's nice...Although I already bought the Pirates of the Caribbean level pack so no worries 2010-08-13 19:05:00

Author:
Night Angel
Posts: 1214

The discrepancy arises in that game data for water may not be present in LBP2, so the game won't even be able to use water at all until a patch is installed. Including water create tools in LBP2, or any other DLC for that matter, completely undermines the purpose of DLC at all.

This is totally NOT TRUE. All patches are put on the next batch of game disks after they are released, and it would be no different for LBP2.		2010-08-13 19:06:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

I agree, it was a guess of where the discrepancy is. You'd expect to see water installed on the actual game disk, obviously, but you'd still also expect to be able to play the levels that use water. I would still stand by the fact that it shouldn't be available as a creator's object, as previous players have had to pay for them.

Maybe this confusion is similar to when a PS representative mistakenly said that costumes would affect a sackboy physically.		2010-08-13 19:18:00

Author:
Holguin86
Posts: 875

Whatever. I think the levels and the creator goodies alone would still justify the price. We'll see what happens when LBP2 is released.2010-08-13 19:20:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

If true, this is great news. I was actually planning on buying the POTC pack today. Probably still will just for the sake of it. Still, water without pay would be great. Now if only it worked better...2010-08-13 19:43:00

Author:
SLJCOAAATR
Posts: 7

Whatever. I think the levels and the creator goodies alone would still justify the price. We'll see what happens when LBP2 is released.

Let's hope so. Just hope I'm not at a loss after apending all those ???s on DLC for the first game.		2010-08-13 19:46:00

Author:
Holguin86
Posts: 875

he's just tryna be a smarty pants. >_>

I'm not "Trying to be a smarty pants" - I'm just pointing out this is a very vague response to a vague question.		2010-08-13 20:35:00

Author:
Mrgenji
Posts: 803

I agree, it was a guess of where the discrepancy is. You'd expect to see water installed on the actual game disk, obviously, but you'd still also expect to be able to play the levels that use water. I would still stand by the fact that it shouldn't be available as a creator's object, as previous players have had to pay for them.

Maybe this confusion is similar to when a PS representative mistakenly said that costumes would affect a sackboy physically.

Dude.. You don't understand...
All DLC, if you own it or not, is patched into your game. You download a code that allows it to be used.
LBP2 will have the data for everything on LBP1 so that you can play LBP1 levels.....

But, you probably will still need to buy the POTC pack to use water. (Unless Sony is nice and bundles MGS+ POTC into the CE..		2010-08-13 20:59:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

Would it not make sense for all the 'old' games features to be included in LBP2?2010-08-13 23:41:00

Author:
Unknown User

Would it not make sense for all the 'old' games features to be included in LBP2?

I think I just got 50%, but if LBP2 was to start from zero, I would rather not buy it.		2010-08-13 23:44:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

Dude.. You don't understand...
All DLC, if you own it or not, is patched into your game. You download a code that allows it to be used.
LBP2 will have the data for everything on LBP1 so that you can play LBP1 levels.....

But, you probably will still need to buy the POTC pack to use water. (Unless Sony is nice and bundles MGS+ POTC into the CE..

That's exactly what I'm saying. The ability to play water levels should come built in with LBP2, but the create tools shouldn't be available as part of the game because they're part of DLC that other players have paid for.		2010-08-13 23:56:00

Author:
Holguin86
Posts: 875

Would it not make sense for all the 'old' games features to be included in LBP2?

Financially? no.		2010-08-14 00:04:00

Author:
Mrgenji
Posts: 803

Wow my brother and I were just talking about this. I figured you would still need it, and it would drive more sales of the pack.

I bought it anyways so I don't care. It was very easily worth $6 to me and I'm not a DLC fan.		2010-08-14 00:38:00

Author:
Grinchy
Posts: 10

This is just classic MM, being cryptic to confuse us,2010-08-14 00:46:00

Author:
Arkei
Posts: 1432

That's exactly what I'm saying. The ability to play water levels should come built in with LBP2, but the create tools shouldn't be available as part of the game because they're part of DLC that other players have paid for.

The point is... Why are you using the word should for the being able to play levels containing water part....		2010-08-14 03:38:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

It won't be available to create with, but you'll be able to play levels with water in them.2010-08-14 06:27:00

Author:
Unknown User

i hope you dont need POTC... i dont have it yet.... (not allowed >_>)2010-08-14 07:05:00

Author:
YEAH_NAH
Posts: 775

Thank god I gameshared the PoTC kit

go me!...go me!...go me!		2010-08-14 19:00:00

Author:
Unknown User

Thank god I gameshared the PoTC kit

go me!...go me!...go me!

And you expect that gameshareisng is legal? hohoho...		2010-08-14 22:37:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

Thank god I gameshared the PoTC kit

go me!...go me!...go me!

Yoho! I would not talk about that openly if i was you,
its not like DLC is that much to pay for anyways, besides from what some believe anywho, *mew

Only time i can see people doing it is when their Mom/Dad has the whole No DLC thing going on,
but even then you Don't talk about it. *mew		2010-08-14 23:27:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

YOU WILL NEED IT look here or at the part 1 talk in the videos that were posted.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7655/screenshot20100815at004.png		2010-08-15 00:44:00

Author:
Unknown User

YOU WILL NEED IT look here or at the part 1 talk in the videos that were posted.

[PICTURE]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that LBP 1?

Even if it is LBP 2, it means nothing, that could be an earlier version of LBP 2 before they'd decided whether or not to add POTC into the game.

To be honest, even though I made this thread, I somehow doubt POTC will come free with LBP 2. 		2010-08-15 00:49:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that LBP 1?

Even if it is LBP 2, it means nothing, that could be an earlier version of LBP 2 before they'd decided whether or not to add POTC into the game.

To be honest, even though I made this thread, I somehow doubt POTC will come free with LBP 2.


No it was this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHQjoxcT4ZE&feature=player_embedded But it could just be objects...		2010-08-15 01:21:00

Author:
Unknown User

Thank god I gameshared the PoTC kit

go me!...go me!...go me!

Ahem... You are taking funding away from Mm, you jerk. Now that that is all cleared up, I would imagine that water would be built in to lbp2, just not all the goodies associated with PoTC, so no stickers and mats and whatnot. But water has become an integral part of LBP, and I cant see it not being included.

P.S. You are a thief, a liar, and a fraud. Please stop stealing from the company that made this wonderful game. Thank you.		2010-08-15 01:58:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

Thank god I gameshared the PoTC kit

go me!...go me!...go me!

Is that supposed to be a joke you sick monster!!!!??!?!?!?!?!

No, I'm kidding.

Kinda.

Well, I am if it IS a joke.


Cos, y'know, its illegal.

The internet cops could getcha.

And then where would you be?

In a dirty little cyber cell.

With only Pacman for company.

"Don't eat me," You'd say.

"WABBA WABBA WABBA," Pacman replies.

Then, of course, he eats you.

The fate of filthy game sharers.		2010-08-15 07:27:00

Author:
tomodon246
Posts: 624

And the switches. Need it be said 2010-08-15 10:04:00

Author:
Snappyguy
Posts: 710

My guess is that everyone can use the global water settings via poppit, but you need the PoTC for the switches and such.
I don't mind either way, we have a had a ton of fun for a long time with the potc pack, well worth the DLC cost imo.		2010-08-15 10:21:00

Author:
midnight_heist
Posts: 2513

If you have the PotC pack you can flood the level and use the tools and stuff but Mm was probably talking about the animated water material as tomodon246 said.2010-08-15 14:05:00

Author:
The age of LOLZ
Posts: 229

YOU WILL NEED IT look here or at the part 1 talk in the videos that were posted.
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7655/screenshot20100815at004.pngyou are right. you do need the potc pack to use water in lbp2,cuz it wouldn't be fair if ppl would get lbp2 and get the packs free :/		2010-08-15 15:32:00

Author:
SackBoy98
Posts: 588

I thought I read some analysis of E3 coverage that mentioned water being upgraded to being a placable object with several other options, rather than just a constant level of water. I could be wrong, though, and either way, it was unconfirmed and/or speculation.2010-08-15 20:09:00

Author:
Unknown User

I thought I read some analysis of E3 coverage that mentioned water being upgraded to being a placable object with several other options, rather than just a constant level of water. I could be wrong, though, and either way, it was unconfirmed and/or speculation.

That's probably the water animated material.		2010-08-15 20:11:00

Author:
gdn001
Posts: 5891

That's probably the water animated material.

I've not been keeping up on much of the news, I guess. Wouldn't the "animated water material" function the same way as global water, only confined to a creator-defined region? If so, global water would seem obsolete.		2010-08-15 20:21:00

Author:
Unknown User

I've not been keeping up on much of the news, I guess. Wouldn't the "animated water material" function the same way as global water, only confined to a creator-defined region? If so, global water would seem obsolete.

It's glass that looks like water...		2010-08-15 20:23:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

It's glass that looks like water...

oh... Neat!		2010-08-15 20:25:00

Author:
Unknown User

I just found this on Media Molecule (http://twitter.com/mediamolecule)'s Twitter!
Unless I'm not understanding this right, does this mean those without the POTC pack will be able to use (create stuff with it) water in LBP2?

INCORRECT! THAT'S FALSE! You can use water in your levels even if you haven't purchased the POTC Pack, everything you need to use it is to have entered Online Create with someone who has the pack (or at least someone who can use water) at least once, therefore, you can use water inside any level in your moon whenever you are online or offline . BUT, you can't use the tools until you purchase the pack.

In other words, Water is part of the game itself since Danish Blue and it's free to use in your levels.
So, in LBP2 water should still be free to use but not the tools. Any other questions?		2010-08-15 20:40:00

Author:
fatman689
Posts: 54

INCORRECT! THAT'S FALSE! You can use water in your levels even if you haven't purchased the POTC Pack, everything you need to use it is to have entered Online Create with someone who has the pack (or at least someone who can use water) at least once, therefore, you can use water inside any level in your moon whenever you are online or offline . BUT, you can't use the tools until you purchase the pack.

In other words, Water is part of the game itself since Danish Blue and it's free to use in your levels.
So, in LBP2 water should still be free to use but not the tools. Any other questions?
Source.
Message too short blah		2010-08-15 20:53:00

Author:
Sack-Jake
Posts: 1153

INCORRECT! THAT'S FALSE! You can use water in your levels even if you haven't purchased the POTC Pack, everything you need to use it is to have entered Online Create with someone who has the pack (or at least someone who can use water) at least once, therefore, you can use water inside any level in your moon whenever you are online or offline . BUT, you can't use the tools until you purchase the pack.

In other words, Water is part of the game itself since Danish Blue and it's free to use in your levels.
So, in LBP2 water should still be free to use but not the tools. Any other questions?

I can't help but notice you contradict yourself there, you start by saying that what I said was incorrect, then you finish by saying water will be free.

Please make up your mind. 		2010-08-15 20:55:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

INCORRECT! THAT'S FALSE! You can use water in your levels even if you haven't purchased the POTC Pack, everything you need to use it is to have entered Online Create with someone who has the pack (or at least someone who can use water) at least once, therefore, you can use water inside any level in your moon whenever you are online or offline . BUT, you can't use the tools until you purchase the pack.

In other words, Water is part of the game itself since Danish Blue and it's free to use in your levels.
So, in LBP2 water should still be free to use but not the tools. Any other questions?this is mostly true 		2010-08-15 21:00:00

Author:
SackBoy98
Posts: 588

I can't help but notice you contradict yourself there, you start by saying that what I said was incorrect, then you finish by saying water will be free.

Please make up your mind.

No he doesn't... He's saying with OC you can 'use' water even if you don't own potc...		2010-08-15 21:01:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

INCORRECT! THAT'S FALSE! You can use water in your levels even if you haven't purchased the POTC Pack, everything you need to use it is to have entered Online Create with someone who has the pack (or at least someone who can use water) at least once, therefore, you can use water inside any level in your moon whenever you are online or offline . BUT, you can't use the tools until you purchase the pack.

In other words, Water is part of the game itself since Danish Blue and it's free to use in your levels.
So, in LBP2 water should still be free to use but not the tools. Any other questions?

Actually the global water tool does not have piracy lock on it, meaning you can use it in levels without owning it. This does not mean the same will be for LBP2 since the piracy lock was actually an accident by Mm. I don't know whether this has ever been patched but I know there was a lot of people that were angry about people doing this.		2010-08-15 21:05:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

lol... not piracy locked. thats ironic... hehehe............. sorry.2010-08-16 07:58:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

stop bickering i've played it. The answer is YES you can use water even if you haven't bought potc2010-08-17 00:15:00

Author:
werty131
Posts: 66

stop bickering i've played it. The answer is YES you can use water even if you haven't bought potc

the word "Use" can be seen in many ways,
but what we want to know for 100% sure is
can we " Create" with it?

and you Played it? :O!
Yoho, i'll say this before someone else does,

Source?.		2010-08-17 01:58:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

you can change the water level without buying PotC but you cant use tools or items. all you have to do is go to a PotC level with a friend. but i dont see much use for it w/ out any tools to go w/ it2010-08-17 02:57:00

Author:
Zero10100
Posts: 385

*sigh* even if Mm wants to do this, i am sure sony will push buying the water pack -_-2010-08-17 04:07:00

Author:
theswweet
Posts: 2468

Yoho! I would not talk about that openly if i was you,
its not like DLC is that much to pay for anyways, besides from what some believe anywho, *mew

Only time i can see people doing it is when their Mom/Dad has the whole No DLC thing going on,
but even then you Don't talk about it. *mew
my dad has the no dlc thing :*(		2010-08-17 09:31:00

Author:
YEAH_NAH
Posts: 775

@Fishrock123 You can't play story levels of lbp 1 on it! You can only play new story levels. I'm not sure did you exactly mean that but just clearing things up.2010-08-17 12:35:00

Author:
FreeAim
Posts: 2462

my dad has the no dlc thing :*(

So what? Sneak out into to the mall and buy psn card, use it's code, waste all money and trash the card and box into the local trashbox. Or then don't waste all money. I never tell my parents what to buy and when. They'll let me use all money I get from summerjobs anyway I want.		2010-08-17 12:38:00

Author:
FreeAim
Posts: 2462

There's water in the LBP2 story mode...2010-08-18 02:21:00

Author:
Tyler
Posts: 663

There's water in the LBP2 story mode...

Thats not the point. MM can use what they like.		2010-08-18 02:45:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

Thats not the point. MM can use what they like.

Well I mean... the POTC pack wasn't just water. It had a lot of materials and objects and music and whatnot. Mm could allow the use of water without the POTC pack losing its worth.		2010-08-18 04:39:00

Author:
Tyler
Posts: 663

Well I mean... the POTC pack wasn't just water. It had a lot of materials and objects and music and whatnot. Mm could allow the use of water without the POTC pack losing its worth.

Thats what Ive been saying this whole time. water is just ONE tool. PoTC is a level KIT. it comes with materials, stickers, music... That is what you pay for.		2010-08-18 07:32:00

Author:
poorjack
Posts: 1806

Although I'm pretty sure over half of the people who bought it bought it for the water.

But they wouldn't do that. They'd get some seriously bad press if they let people use something for free that people have had to pay for.		2010-08-18 08:31:00

Author:
Moony
Posts: 368

There's water in the LBP2 story mode...

Yes, but Mm can do what they want, they own it all. For example, they used sounds from the monster kit in the Marvel pack levels. They can cross over things.


Although I'm pretty sure over half of the people who bought it bought it for the water.
Yup. I did.		2010-08-18 09:36:00

Author:
tomodon246
Posts: 624

Thats what Ive been saying this whole time. water is just ONE tool. PoTC is a level KIT. it comes with materials, stickers, music... That is what you pay for.

I also paid for the water tool, soooooooo...yeah. I will definitely be mad if they give something away for free that I already paid for. In fact I may just have to write a strongly worded letter!		2010-08-18 09:56:00

Author:
Unknown User

they would not be giving it away for free
LBP2 costs money ;P
it only been free if it was given away for free in LBP1 later,
Hoho~		2010-08-18 10:41:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

I also paid for the water tool, soooooooo...yeah. I will definitely be mad if they give something away for free that I already paid for. In fact I may just have to write a strongly worded letter!

That's what most of the repliers have been meaning.

I think the PoTC pack levels were under-the-bar from Mm. Thankfully the Marvel kit avenged 		2010-08-18 17:42:00

Author:
Unknown User

That's what most of the repliers have been meaning.

I think the PoTC pack levels were under-the-bar from Mm. Thankfully the Marvel kit avenged

No, only the boss was under the bar.

The other POTC levels were great. 		2010-08-18 18:02:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

Our bars aren't nearly equal 2010-08-18 18:10:00

Author:
Unknown User

The Pirate levels where perfect Nuff said,
The Marvel levels where all the worse levels
made by MM as possible T_T *mew		2010-08-18 19:02:00

Author:
Lord-Dreamerz
Posts: 4261

they would not be giving it away for free
LBP2 costs money ;P
it only been free if it was given away for free in LBP1 later,
Hoho~

Yes, but the pack cost additional money to me already purchasing the game, so in a sense it's free, but that is just my thinking. I would have no problem if they gave it away in the Collectors edition though.		2010-08-18 19:12:00

Author:
Unknown User

Hey guess what. Normal LBP2 levels use water like the one with the giant whale as seen in the new trailer. And under DaVinci's big tower.
So since Mm's using it in levels, I'm positive they'll let people who don't have PotC pack downloaded use it to create and whatnot.
Same with the paintinator and plasma.		2010-08-18 19:32:00

Author:
Sack-Jake
Posts: 1153

Maybe the game should come with enough PSN funds to buy both the PoTC and MGS packs.

If you have them, buy whatever you want 		2010-08-18 19:44:00

Author:
Unknown User

Sorry to dissappoint but you WILL NEED PotC to use water even in LBP2. Oc you can swim in it. This shouldn't be in news and media anyway.

Water is featured in one of the LBP2 Story cutscenes, and you do not need the PotC Kit to be able to use it. This has been tested.		2011-01-25 10:13:00

Author:
MaxDiehard
Posts: 14

But the water object is global, and I don't think the water sensors and switches are included in the base LBP2... so if you wish to affect water in your level dynamically, you will need PotC for the additional switches and sensors.2011-01-25 20:15:00

Author:
wizaerd
Posts: 159

My friend says he can use it, but I'm not sure if he means the global object. As with the Mm argument, the point is that we should be able to make anything they make is given to us, including some LBP1 objects (gears and some other stuff are given in tutorials), so if it's in the story, I imagine it is. What I want to know, if water is, is the paintinator?2011-01-25 21:36:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

The water is in LBP2 for people without POTC however they do not get the scuba gear and I don't think they get the bubble machine so they can't really do anything overly ambitious with the water.2011-01-25 21:42:00

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robotiod
Posts: 2662

Its funny because your all mostly wrong Haha... no but seriously without causing offence it is hilarious the level of arrogance and "im right and your wrong" all over even just the first page of this thread.

To put it straight as anyone with LBP2 will know, As of this time, Water is there in full usage, there is the scuba tanks, there is the bubble emitter, full water customisation , everything is there WITHOUT purchase of PoTC, water is one of the main global tools now, not an add on DLC feature.

Plasma is in, Paintinator is NOT.		2011-01-26 09:16:00

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