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What happens when an unstoppable force hits an immoveable object?
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| Okay, 'Nother question. Actually, two variations on one question: What happens when an unstoppable force hits an immoveable object? I would like both LBP and real world answers if possible.  (Planning to make a thread on this after you guys answer!) Well, for the real world answer, my understanding is that there is no such thing as an immovable object. So... yeah. Okay.. in LBP, my guess would be that unless that immovable object was made of dark matter, it would break and you'd have to rewind. Oh crap, rtm already said that below.. and with more flair...  Let's suppose that there is, then, soooo hypothetically, what happens in the real world, if it were really possible? Boom. Big badda boom! In lbp we are talking darkmatter and a flipper... Which goes 'crunch' and makes me sad Haha, nice. In the real world it would definitely be a big boom. With lots of energy... infinite energy... we'd all die. Well, someone once used that unstoppable force/immovable object metaphor to describe my real world relationship with a certain guy. The result = we got married  (and now our offspring now carry both those traits :eekcomphermc mrsupercomputer rtm223 BabyDoll1970 Right. I posted that on the 'meet the staff II' thread, and those are the answers. Now, I want to know what everyone else thinks about this. Feel free to post about the LBP or real-life version. So, what *would* happen if an unstoppable force hit an immoveable object? Go wild! Jokes dealing with the amount of energy created by this are on-topic. | 2010-08-04 02:54:00 Author: Fishrock123  Posts: 1578 |
| This happens. http://asset.soup.io/asset/0844/4482_64e5_450.jpeg | 2010-08-04 03:03:00 Author: Jaslow  Posts: 775 |
| It would cause a temporary blackout, during which i would steal all the hearts! .....And real world? I guess i could steal money......Don't know what I would do with that, pointless really. | 2010-08-04 03:07:00 Author: MrFunctionality  Posts: 637 |
we'd go boom  | 2010-08-04 03:19:00 Author: Bremnen  Posts: 1800 |
| It already happened. The result was the 80s. | 2010-08-04 03:32:00 Author: Foofles  Posts: 2278 |
| It already happened. The result was the 80s. No, its definately Vietnam. lol | 2010-08-04 03:36:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Chuck_Norris.jpg/220px-Chuck_Norris.jpg Nah, jokes aside, probably some sorta 'splosion. A big one! | 2010-08-04 03:41:00 Author: KlawwTheClown  Posts: 1106 |
| IRL: they would pass right through each other LBP: somewhere a shark explodes | 2010-08-04 04:42:00 Author: IStwisted  Posts: 428 |
| IRL: they would pass right through each other LBP: somewhere a shark explodes I'm liking what I'm seeing! @Jaslow Awesome pic!! | 2010-08-04 04:49:00 Author: Fishrock123 Posts: 1578 |
Foolish Mods! ,They do not seem to realize when an object's fast enough (in LBP) it will ignore any "object" in front of it. Altho there IS a "something that's "umoveable in the game, and its almost aboslute, and that is the wall boundaries, and as you know anything kitting that at high speed will either break like that operson in the "leave breatney alone" video, or simply smash and stay there, like any regular crash is the material is resiliant enough. now in real life, what might happen depends on the objects. Let's say its some sort of spear chuck norris threw a spear with all his strength, thus turning it into the "unstoppable object, and at the sme time Chuck Norris is standing on the other side (yes he can do that somehow) and decides he doesn't anna leave the spot, aka the unmovable object. Now what can happen variates. 1- The impact causes a highe energy glast like said above, the heat generated there would probably bur if the spear hit a "flat" ( ----> l ) or inwards curved ( ----> ) ) surface on on the object, they would either mesh together and fuse to an atomic level, or simply pass through each other (the speed of the spear makes the moleculesunstable or something.) 2- The Spear hits an uneven or curved surface ( ----> / or ----> ( ) the impact would cause the same reaction than before (heat burnas all, etc.) but this time it would only be reflected to another direction. Its still "unstopped" just changed directions a little. 3- A bit off the main question's variation, but a similar one often asked. Let's say the unstoppable/ strongest spear is thrown at you , oh but what's this, you've found the ultimate shield that won't break no matter what. So you pick it up and brace for impact, and BAM! Lats just say for sake of argument that the shield protects you from the scorching heat of the collision, you'd syill be pretty much screwed, why? Because sadly, even tho the hield IS undestructible, and it will not break and won't let anyhing behind it thus making you "safe," neither you or the shield are " unmovable," so even thos ou won't be affected by the main "blast" the sheer force the spear had would most likely throw you into oblivion. (not the game...) You'll be completly protected from the shield, but unless you're unmovable and have incredible strength, you'll wind up smashed in between the shield and something at about 5M mps... Is that a suitable answer? | 2010-08-04 05:12:00 Author: Silverleon  Posts: 6707 |
| Technically, if there is an unstoppable force, then it would be impossible for there to be an immovable object because the immoveable object would have to be moved by the 'unstoppable' force... and vice versa. I win. | 2010-08-04 05:28:00 Author: iGotFancyPants  Posts: 1355 |
| Agree somewhat There would be an explosion from the impact, then the objects would pass through each other. LBP Ex: Go in LBP, place 2 peices of dark matter apart, put any material in between them, attach a stiff piston, slowly increase the length to push it into the second peice of dark matter, Voila! The unstoppable force met the immovable object and they combined/ moved through each other. | 2010-08-04 05:33:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| i think if the force and the object would just sit down and crack open a cold one they could sort out their differences on their own beer summit! | 2010-08-04 05:39:00 Author: monstahr  Posts: 1361 |
| It would create Chuck Norris edit: Klaww got it before me dang. Well now i'm gonna have to think of something else.... hmmm | 2010-08-04 05:40:00 Author: Shhabbazz  Posts: 746 |
| This is a question that comes up in lots of philosophical works both modern and ancient. I don't know the answer. | 2010-08-04 06:04:00 Author: Ayneh  Posts: 2454 |
| Technically, if there is an unstoppable force, then it would be impossible for there to be an immovable object because the immoveable object would have to be moved by the 'unstoppable' force... and vice versa. I win. That's the point... What happens if the two meet? | 2010-08-04 17:14:00 Author: Fishrock123 Posts: 1578 |
| The two would compress into a tiny amount of extreme mass, a.k.a blackhole. | 2010-08-04 17:26:00 Author: gdn001  Posts: 5891 |
| If that was possible, then all the energy might create a supermassive black hole. Yipee! Ah. Someone beat me to it. | 2010-08-04 17:38:00 Author: AgentBanana  Posts: 511 |
| the world would IMPLODE! >:] whuahaha. | 2010-08-04 17:41:00 Author: Smelling-Cowboy  Posts: 668 |
| That's the point... What happens if the two meet? An unstoppable, immoveable PARTAAY!!! | 2010-08-04 17:51:00 Author: IStwisted Posts: 428 |
| O o /?____________________________ ______________ | BLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAARGH!!! ----------------------------------------- O _??????????????? ^ ? Unstoppable force O= Unmovable object | 2010-08-04 18:04:00 Author: Jovuto  Posts: 2345 |
| If that was possible, then all the energy might create a supermassive black hole. Yipee! Ah. Someone beat me to it. You mean like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsp3_a-PMTw) ?  Hmm my real opinion? Massive explosion/fusion in which all would be consumed in a fiery ball of fire. | 2010-08-04 18:09:00 Author: Keanster96  Posts: 1436 |
| Well to my understanding, if an unstoppable force hits an immovable object, the the object being powered by the force would disintegrate or just explode into a massive amount of pieces, thus the pieces can maneuver around the immovable object and continue on with the same force they had before impact. But that's just a guess. | 2010-08-04 18:17:00 Author: CyberSora Posts: 5551 |
| Couldn't the unstoppable force bounce off the immovable object and just continue being unstoppable in a new direction? | 2010-08-04 18:23:00 Author: Rabid-Coot  Posts: 6728 |
| Couldn't the unstoppable force bounce off the immovable object and just continue being unstoppable in a new direction? But in order for that to happen it'd have to be stopped to change direction. | 2010-08-04 18:35:00 Author: Keanster96 Posts: 1436 |
| This makes me wonder... How the hell can an object be Unstopabble? (LBP aside) | 2010-08-04 18:37:00 Author: gdn001 Posts: 5891 |
| Seeing as Captain Falcon is an immovable object, and his Punch is an unstoppable force.... This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S363ixv9oZk)  | 2010-08-04 18:39:00 Author: Matimoo  Posts: 1027 |
| Technically, I think either they would pass through each other, or the fabric of the universe would implode and kill us all instantly. | 2010-08-04 19:49:00 Author: nitewalker11  Posts: 222 |
| The unstoppable will stop on impact and the immovable will move on impact next lol | 2010-08-04 20:07:00 Author: Littlebigdude805  Posts: 1924 |
| You call for Chuck Norris. | 2010-08-04 20:29:00 Author: Mr_T-Shirt  Posts: 1477 |
| In real life, when an unstoppable force meets an immovable objects... My cleaning-freak mom vs. my kind of messy room. In LBP... That is when joey comes up with yet another duurp costume! | 2010-08-04 20:37:00 Author: moonwire  Posts: 1627 |
| Does it create a rift in the space time continuum that alters reality in such a way that people stop attempting to pass off pretentious discussion of self-contradictory hypothetical nonsense as intellectualism? That would be nice | 2010-08-04 20:51:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| When they collide they create rtm, who then goes in to a rant which kills us all. Does it create a rift in the space time continuum that alters reality in such a way that people stop attempting to pass off pretentious discussion of self-contradictory hypothetical nonsense as intellectualism? Wishful thinking | 2010-08-04 20:56:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Reality as we know it will end up dividing by zero. | 2010-08-04 22:23:00 Author: Laina  Posts: 99 |
| the immovable object will remain as such sepending on if the matter used is soft or hard.If its harder the matter will dent or go completely through the type of matter that is immovable. if the unstoppable force is softer than the immovable object depending on the speed of the object the object may become crushed as it is trying to move past the object if the object has a slow speed then the object will stay in shape and stay in place.the location of the matter matters also if both objects are in the ocean the object may become easier to penetrate, no matter what the unstoppable force will slow down | 2010-08-04 22:41:00 Author: Charlemagne  Posts: 513 |
| They will just pass through eachother as if nothing would have happened. That is if such a thing could exist. I think there is no real unstoppable object in LBP so we can't know. If someone was about to program this happening, like in a simulator... I think either the system would crash or they would just pass through eachother. | 2010-08-04 22:46:00 Author: napero7  Posts: 1653 |
| No. Inertia has to come in action somewhere. Breaking that basic law would be catastrophic... | 2010-08-04 22:48:00 Author: gdn001 Posts: 5891 |
| Well a force is just a force it's not actual matter (can't be touched) so it wouldn't be able to touch the unmovable object. They would pass right through each other..no collision...no nada... | 2010-08-04 23:14:00 Author: Amigps  Posts: 564 |
| Well a force is just a force it's not actual matter (can't be touched) so it wouldn't be able to touch the unmovable object. They would pass right through each other..no collision...no nada... THAT'S IT! "Unstoppable" and "immoveable" are just forces acting over the objects. So, the object passes this force to other when it colllides. The force is conserved, but the objects won't keep their movement. | 2010-08-04 23:20:00 Author: gdn001 Posts: 5891 |
| The gods need to intervene. In Greek mythology, the Teumessian fox[1] was a gigantic fox that was destined never to be caught. The fox was one of the children of Echidna. It was said that it had been sent by the gods (perhaps Dionysus) to prey upon the children of Thebes as a punishment for some national crime. Creon, the then Regent of Thebes, set Amphitryon the impossible task of destroying this beast. He discovered an apparently perfect solution to the problem by fetching the magical dog Laelaps, who was destined to catch everything it chased. Zeus, faced with an inevitable contradiction in fate due to their mutually excluding abilities, turned the two beasts into stone. The pair were cast into the stars, and will remain there forever more. | 2010-08-04 23:22:00 Author: midnight_heist  Posts: 2513 |
| You know someday Zues is gunna run out of things to throw into the sky and then what huh? thats right | 2010-08-05 00:39:00 Author: Littlebigdude805 Posts: 1924 |
| You know someday Zues is gunna run out of things to throw into the sky and then what huh? thats right ... he's gonna start throwing you into the sky instead. | 2010-08-05 01:09:00 Author: CyberSora Posts: 5551 |
| Theres going to be so many stars it will always be daytime | 2010-08-05 01:11:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Does it create a rift in the space time continuum that alters reality in such a way that people stop attempting to pass off pretentious discussion of self-contradictory hypothetical nonsense as intellectualism? That would be nice I don't think we even need a rift in the STC.. we can end all speculation with a simple scientific experiment where "unstoppable pseudo-intellectual nonsense" versus the immovable "lock". Any takers? | 2010-08-05 02:01:00 Author: BabyDoll1970  Posts: 1567 |
| Aww......I wanted to explode.. | 2010-08-05 02:08:00 Author: Maxi  Posts: 1176 |
| I don't think we even need a rift in the STC.. we can end all speculation with a simple scientific experiment where "unstoppable pseudo-intellectual nonsense" versus the immovable "lock". Any takers? Thats a very good answer, I say you give that experiment a shot | 2010-08-05 02:19:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| THAT'S IT! "Unstoppable" and "immoveable" are just forces acting over the objects. So, the object passes this force to other when it colllides. The force is conserved, but the objects won't keep their movement. Errr what? Immovability is force?? I thought that it just couldn't move......I mean friction stops things from moving..and other forces counteracting against each other could also stop an object from moving, but if the object itself can't move it wouldn't need a force would it? (that's how I interpreted it) And I don't think forces can collide either as they're not substantial. So the force would pass right through the object since forces can't collide with each other.....can they?...I mean electromagnetism wouldn't be affected by gravity would it?? But this is just my own opinion : | 2010-08-05 05:10:00 Author: Amigps Posts: 564 |
| the lions wibn the superbowl, and chuck norris and Mr. T get into a fight and destroy the earth | 2010-08-05 05:47:00 Author: Boiwonder 13 Posts: 7 |
| It's actually impossible. The universe can not conceive either. There is no such thing as an unstoppable force, nor is there such thing as an immovable object. | 2010-08-05 06:52:00 Author: microchirp  Posts: 412 |
| This is a question that comes up in lots of philosophical works both modern and ancient. I don't know the answer. The Joker says it in the Dark Knight: "I am the unstoppable force, and you are the immovable object! HAHAHA!!" He's creepy. Funnily enough, this was asked in science today. "Impossible," said my science teacher. "There is no such thing as either of them." | 2010-08-05 07:24:00 Author: tomodon246  Posts: 624 |
| "Impossible," said my science teacher. "There is no such thing as either of them." That's such a teacherish answer. It's what they always say when they don't know the answer. It means nothing. It's probably not possible, but it defeats the point of the old philosophical question if you just dismiss it, as the implications are quite interesting. | 2010-08-05 12:47:00 Author: Keanster96 Posts: 1436 |
| If its Unstoppable, who says it can't Reppel? It would just Bouce of and Continue in another Direction (Assuming the Location is Space?) | 2010-08-05 13:13:00 Author: Nurolight  Posts: 918 |
| Immovable becomes movable, movable become immovable. or.. The immovable object, having infinite energy, when stopped will release infinite energy. Thus creating an infinite explosion of LOL. Don't forget E=MC^2 therefore my dog can fly kites. | 2010-08-05 13:38:00 Author: Mr Nive  Posts: 137 |
| but it defeats the point of the old philosophical question if you just dismiss it, as the implications are quite interesting. No they aren't. It's just a contrived sentence than people can discuss aimlessly and feel smug about themselves. A lot of philosophy is really quite interesting and insightful and does wonders for developing our understanding of science and society and the human condition. This is just pointless. There are no implications and it should be dismissed as the nonsense it is. And here is why it's nonsense: An "unstoppable force" isn't even a phrase that has any meaning. You don't stop forces, but you can counteract them with opposing forces. And a force cannot, conceptually "hit" and object, it can act upon objects. So, if we are talking about the force acting on a second object, pushing it against our immovable object then consider the following: Gravity is an unstoppable force. If gravity acts upon our second object forcing it into the immovable object, then there will be a reactionary force equal and opposite to the force of gravity. Overall force is zero, therefore, nothing happens. If we assume the unstoppable force is acting on the immovable object, then by it's nature the conceptual immovable object would create an opposing force, so it would not move, or it would be infinitely massive so that the resulting acceleration due to the force became zero, so it would not move. So, the answer is nothing. Nothing would happen. Unless you assume that the original asker of that question was talking about something other than a force, because they don't understand basic physics. At which point they could be talking about anything and you may as well assume they are asking, "what happens when rtm meets a cute kitten?" - I can answer that for ya too - kitty gets a hug tl;dr: kittens are cute | 2010-08-05 13:44:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| What happens when rtm collides with this thread?.......Y'all get verbally b**ch slapped | 2010-08-05 15:25:00 Author: MrFunctionality Posts: 637 |
| ....as the implications are quite interesting. No they aren't. D: Who are you to tell me I can't be interested in things?! Yes there is some questionable phrasing and yes, it is technically impossible... But philosophical questions are designed to make you think, and not to make sense. If they did they'd be rubbish! What you've done there is harpoon an old philosopher in the face with modern day technical talk. ... Please don't ban me D: | 2010-08-05 16:23:00 Author: Keanster96 Posts: 1436 |
| Who are you to tell me I can't be interested in things?! Yes there is some questionable phrasing and yes, it is technically impossible... But philosophical questions are designed to make you think, and not to make sense. If they did they'd be rubbish! What you've done there is harpoon an old philosopher in the face with modern day technical talk. I think the point of the thread was to see what kind of funny things people would say. I think RTM's post would easily qualify as the funniest and probably the most "philosophical" as well. I was going to say to you "say something funny" but that part about getting harpooned in the face took care of that. P.S. I like kitties too | 2010-08-05 17:16:00 Author: IStwisted Posts: 428 |
| It means nothing. It's probably not possible, but it defeats the point of the old philosophical question if you just dismiss it, as the implications are quite interesting. The most plausable answer has already been said many times. No they aren't. It's just a contrived sentence than people can discuss aimlessly and feel smug about themselves. A lot of philosophy is really quite interesting and insightful and does wonders for developing our understanding of science and society and the human condition. This is just pointless. There are no implications and it should be dismissed as the nonsense it is. And here is why it's nonsense: An "unstoppable force" isn't even a phrase that has any meaning. You don't stop forces, but you can counteract them with opposing forces. And a force cannot, conceptually "hit" and object, it can act upon objects. So, if we are talking about the force acting on a second object, pushing it against our immovable object then consider the following: Gravity is an unstoppable force. If gravity acts upon our second object forcing it into the immovable object, then there will be a reactionary force equal and opposite to the force of gravity. Overall force is zero, therefore, nothing happens. If we assume the unstoppable force is acting on the immovable object, then by it's nature the conceptual immovable object would create an opposing force, so it would not move, or it would be infinitely massive so that the resulting acceleration due to the force became zero, so it would not move. So, the answer is nothing. Nothing would happen. Unless you assume that the original asker of that question was talking about something other than a force, because they don't understand basic physics. At which point they could be talking about anything and you may as well assume they are asking, "what happens when rtm meets a cute kitten?" - I can answer that for ya too - kitty gets a hug tl;dr: kittens are cute Oh snap. | 2010-08-05 17:28:00 Author: Bremnen Posts: 1800 |
| Who are you to tell me I can't be interested in things?! Who are you tell everyone else they should be interested in things However, yes, when you isolate that sentence it was overly harsh. But I stand by what I say later on in that paragraph, that I don't believe there are any implications, but feel free to correct me Yes there is some questionable phrasing and yes, it is technically impossible... But philosophical questions are designed to make you think, and not to make sense. If they did they'd be rubbish! There are plenty of philosophical questions that do make sense and actually have some relevence to the world, which is why I dislike this style of philosophy, where the concept is to invent an impossible and contradictory (or unobservable, making all sensible analysis invalid - see the tree falling in the woods scenario*) and then discuss it like it has any value. Moreover, it's the pretentiousness that typically goes with this sort of thing that annoys me. What you've done there is harpoon an old philosopher in the face with modern day technical talk. Two things here: I don't feel that such a question ever had any relevance or implications to understanding the universe or reality or the human condition or indeed anything. It won't help improve you logical analysis or ability to think around issues as the concept itself is illogical, due to it's contradictory nature. If this ever had relevance, then it doesn't any more. I could ask you "what happens when you walk off the edge of the earth?", or "what happens if the sky falls down?". Applying modern knowledge to the question highlights how irrelevant it is to us today and why it should be dismissed as nonsense. But I shall leave this thread alone now and let you people have your fun * yes, the tree does make a ****ing noise when you aren't there! | 2010-08-05 17:53:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Yes, let's all ignore the conservation of momentum and energy so we can be silly. | 2010-08-05 22:00:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412 |
| * yes, the tree does make a ****ing noise when you aren't there! Lol... Yeh Okay I agree with RTM on most of these things... I guess i got a tad emotional... | 2010-08-05 22:13:00 Author: Keanster96 Posts: 1436 |
| [/divides by zero] FUUUUUUUUUUU- that's basically what happens. In my world of happy awesomeness I guess C: .....yeah who am I kidding >> | 2010-08-05 23:15:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| is this not how lbp was made? | 2010-08-05 23:28:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Nice answers everyone, I lol'd a lot. Two things here: I don't feel that such a question ever had any relevance or implications to understanding the universe or reality or the human condition or indeed anything. It won't help improve you logical analysis or ability to think around issues as the concept itself is illogical, due to it's contradictory nature. If this ever had relevance, then it doesn't any more. I could ask you "what happens when you walk off the edge of the earth?", or "what happens if the sky falls down?". Applying modern knowledge to the question highlights how irrelevant it is to us today and why it should be dismissed as nonsense. But I shall leave this thread alone now and let you people have your fun The point is that this is not real, and this is to speculate what might hpen if it was real. Furthermore, if you are looking for truly useful things to do, this thread probably does not qualify. XD And I wonder if my next thread won't be on what hpen if the 'sky' were to fall..... And I am unsure why you are leaving this thread since your posts were also, at least to me, funny; unless you do indeed deem this a waste of time, which, truly, it probably is in a most-likely scenario. The original question is stated dealing with forces and objects, however, the 'force' was intended to had physical mass, however small it may be. If the 'force' can change direction, is up to yourself. As for the fact that it's contradictory nature, which is illogical, isn't that the point..? | 2010-08-06 02:54:00 Author: Fishrock123 Posts: 1578 |
| [/divides by zero] FUUUUUUUUUUU- that's basically what happens. In my world of happy awesomeness I guess C: .....yeah who am I kidding >> 1.Divide by zero 2.Acquire infinity 3.?????? 4.Profit! stop philosophizing hard science, nerds! | 2010-08-06 04:49:00 Author: monstahr Posts: 1361 |
| * yes, the tree does make a ****ing noise when you aren't there! The definition of sound is along the lines of "the stimulation of the sense of hearing", meaning, if no one is there to hear it, it doesn't make a "sound." | 2010-08-06 05:48:00 Author: Incinerator22  Posts: 3251 |
| The definition of sound is along the lines of "the stimulation of the sense of hearing", meaning, if no one is there to hear it, it doesn't make a "sound." Highly dependent upon the definition of sound. Sound can most definitely refer to the transmission of mechanical waves through a material medium. By that definition you're wrong and a sound is made. But, this is all just semantics. There is no actual debate with that, it's just how you define things. | 2010-08-06 06:00:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412 |
| Highly dependent upon the definition of sound. Sound can most definitely refer to the transmission of mechanical waves through a material medium. By that definition you're wrong and a sound is made. But, this is all just semantics. There is no actual debate with that, it's just how you define things. True. However, that means rtm223 cannot be definitely right, so I win | 2010-08-06 06:03:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251 |
| True. However, that means rtm223 cannot be definitely right, so I win Depends on your definition of win... | 2010-08-06 07:23:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412 |
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