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The God Theory
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| The God theory is a very debated topic so why not discuss it here? Since I'm terrible at explaining things and many of you have had trouble understanding, I have included a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9feXeL-3XA | 2010-08-03 17:28:00 Author: MrFunctionality  Posts: 637 |
| The theory states that our planet Earth is perfectly suited for all forms of life, and therefore it must have been created specificaly for us by a higher intelligence, God. Correction: The Earth is perfectly suited for life that exists here. Of course all life that lives here is suited for the environment in which it lives. That's basically the main basis behind evolution. Who's to say that this world is fit for ALL life? Would it be fitting for silicon based life? No, the world is perfect for everything that lives here. Why would something evolve that was imperfect for the environment in which it was formed? | 2010-08-03 17:32:00 Author: RockSauron  Posts: 10882 |
| *Reads thread* ... Ima stay out of this one, for everyone's sake.  | 2010-08-03 17:34:00 Author: Voltergeist  Posts: 1702 |
| I do not believe the earth is perfectly suited for all forms of life,for an example, aliens who might come here probably have a different amount of gasses in their air on their planet, which means our air would be poisonous to them and vice versa. The earth itself was probably created by a supernova or something like that, though how the universe was created is another thing. And with billions of stars and planets out there, it should be a lot of planets around suitable for life. | 2010-08-03 17:36:00 Author: moonwire  Posts: 1627 |
| i believe in god but i dont believe he pays attention to us, in space there are billions of possibilities, anyone who says life doesnt exist elsewhere is recieving their information from the wrong person.were probably just his play things. its probably like Civililization but with his/her own complicated universe, and i wouldnt say he isnt the only player. with this huge universe id be unproffesional if i said there wasnt a planet EXACTLY like earth. and with that in mind the nature of the universe cannot create such beautiful artwork without a few strings attached, whats pulling those strings? we may never know. | 2010-08-03 17:42:00 Author: Charlemagne  Posts: 513 |
| Personally, I hate it when people instantly assume that aliens are super advanced beings. How do you know this??? How do you know they are super advanced??? They could be as far us with technology or maybe we are more technologically advanced than them : it just annoys me. And no I'm not saying that someone her said that. Just trying to get it out there. When I say that people just give me this blank stare.....I believe in the combination of both..... @Moonwire The earth wasn't created by a super nova XD it was probably formed from the debris AFTER the super nova........or just a regular nova. If that's what you mean I'm sorry  It could have also formed from a regular dust cloud....... | 2010-08-03 17:45:00 Author: Amigps  Posts: 564 |
| well, i dont believe there is a god, and i dont disbelieve it...largely because it is something we will never find out and if there is a god, what means to say we will find out when we die? why would it give us and afterlife? all this god could be is a being who created us for pets, experiments, its entertainment or simply just farted and our universe flew out of it and its non the wiser that we exist or god doesnt exist and life is indeed...a complete accident. or maybe aliens cameabout and we exist through them from experiments or something and then begs the question...where did a god come from if it exists? how came something just be there and create life...and how can something not be there, then just be created and life comes from that. looking at these things makes it seem like life, is an impossible event....but since we do exist in some from or another...maybe it isnt and yeah with this alien thing, they may very well be less advanced than us and be asking the same question..do aliens exist on other planets? then there might be aliens that have found others. we might find out that aliens exist, but that doesnt help us with what happens when we die, who created the basis for life and all that i dont think we will ever find out why we are here and what put us here if anything, but thats not gonna stop me wondering about it | 2010-08-03 17:49:00 Author: Xegethra  Posts: 207 |
| Personally, I hate it when people instantly assume that aliens are super advanced beings. How do you know this??? How do you know they are super advanced??? They could be as far us with technology or maybe we are more technologically advanced than them : We know that they are super advanced, because scientists have proved that if aliens are advanced enough to travel to our planet, the chances of us being technologically within 5000 years of them are roughly zero. This is because to travel that far (Because scientists know that their isn't intelligent life anywhere near us) the aliens would need to have insanely advanced technology. This also means that if they didn't like the look of us, they could destroy the earth pretty easily. | 2010-08-03 17:55:00 Author: resistance1  Posts: 812 |
| inb4thisgetsnasty Don't start these kinds of threads. They ALWAYS lead to flaming. | 2010-08-03 17:57:00 Author: Jaslow  Posts: 775 |
| Personally, I hate it when people instantly assume that aliens are super advanced beings. How do you know this??? How do you know they are super advanced??? They could be as far us with technology or maybe we are more technologically advanced than them : it just annoys me. And no I'm not saying that someone her said that. Just trying to get it out there. When I say that people just give me this blank stare.....I believe in the combination of both... Did anyone say that? I was just saying they may be completely different biologically. Which they would be. EDIT: I was not sure using "all forms of life" would be appropriate. I was speaking of the various species on our planet, maybe I choose the wrong words for this and I have corrected it because I believed that you would ignore the obvious, so please get back on topic. That still doesn't help your "theory". You say the only reason that everything on the planet suits our needs is because, obviously, god did it. However, it fits out needs because of course everything is suited for everything around it. Why would something that can't stand heat survive in the desert? It wouldn't. That is one of the basic tenants of Evolution. Things adapt to their environment. How does the fact that everything naturally lives where it thrives imply that God did it? We suit ourselves to the world. The air is perfect for us to breath because we NEED to be able to breath it. We could easily have evolved to where we need to breath Carbon dioxide, but since that isn't how the world is set up then why would we? | 2010-08-03 17:58:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882 |
| We know that they are super advanced, because scientists have proved that if aliens are advanced enough to travel to our planet, the chances of us being technologically within 5000 years of them are roughly zero. This is because to travel that far (Because scientists know that their isn't intelligent life anywhere near us) the aliens would need to have insanely advanced technology. This also means that if they didn't like the look of us, they could destroy the earth pretty easily. no you dont know they are super advanced...why do you assume that aliens exist that they would be capable of space travel to our world? does the probability that they are like us and havent left their planet yet occur to you?...no it obviously hasnt. just because they havent flown to earth yet, it doesnt mean they dont exist. and even if they can space travel and have found other planets to visit, there is no way to tell that theyll definatly even find us. it might be like a metal detector, we are there but we miss each other closly and thus they just fly right by and neither of us has bumped into each other and even if they can destroy our world, why would they? if we are that insignificant to them they might just see us..not bother us and fly away again. they might know we exist, but we might not know that they do. why do people assume that aliens are just big evil world destroying beings..oh wait...the media told you...war of the worlds anyone? | 2010-08-03 18:05:00 Author: Xegethra Posts: 207 |
| Personally, I hate it when people instantly assume that aliens are super advanced beings. How do you know this??? How do you know they are super advanced??? They could be as far us with technology or maybe we are more technologically advanced than them : it just annoys me. And no I'm not saying that someone her said that. Just trying to get it out there. When I say that people just give me this blank stare.....I believe in the combination of both..... @Moonwire The earth wasn't created by a super nova XD it was probably formed from the debris AFTER the super nova........or just a regular nova. If that's what you mean I'm sorry It could have also formed from a regular dust cloud.......several stars exploded the debris formed a star, the gravitational force of the star attracted the rest of the debris the planets formed earth was hit by a smaller planet forming,the earth was moved into the goldilox zone the, the earth cooled down, the smaller planet cooled and became the moon comets and meteors struck earth while it was cooling and other comets passed by earth leaving elements behind for earths gravitational pull water formed earthquakes started to happen bacteria formed the bacteria turned into algea, the algea tutned into underwater plants the underwater plants turned into plants on land and coral the coral turned into a sponge the sponge became concious the sponge became a small crustacean the crustacean became a bivalve the bivalve became a fish the fish crawled on land the land fish turned into a lizard, the lizard turned into a dinosaur some lizards grew fur and lost scales and became mammals some lizards became dinosaurs some lizards grew smaller and became bugs the dinosaurs died the mammals grew larger and turned into monkeys the monkeys grew larger and became humans. humans thrived, mesoptamia egypt, greece, rome,rome fell, barbarians became tribes tribes grew tribes became countries, the middle ages happened then columbus went to cuba, british pilgramaged to america, america had a revolutionary war, we had a civil war we went into a stupid war, we went into another stupid war we blew up two cities, we got into a war with communists we got into a fake war with communists the fake war ended the berlin wall came down, you were probably born, we went into a stupid war for oil. Happy Now? | 2010-08-03 18:08:00 Author: Charlemagne Posts: 513 |
| no you dont know they are super advanced...why do you assume that aliens exist that they would be capable of space travel to our world? does the probability that they are like us and havent left their planet yet occur to you?...no it obviously hasnt. just because they havent flown to earth yet, it doesnt mean they dont exist. and even if they can space travel and have founf other planets to visit, there is no way to tell that theyll definatly even find us. it might be like a metal detector, we are there but we miss each other closy and thus they just fly right by and neither of us has bumped into each other and even if they can destroy our world, why would they? if we are that insignificant to them they might just see us..not bother us and fly away again. they might know we exist, but we might not know that they do. why do peoeple assume that aliens are just big evil world destroying beings..oh wait...the media told you...war of the worlds anyone? Would we as humans really just fly away if we found another species? Hell no. We'd take a ton of them back with us, we'd study them, eventually kill them, and come back for more. We'd kill all of them too, and then a war would break out. We'd win, because we're so powerful, and then we'd study the few creatures left. What makes you think other species are different? | 2010-08-03 18:08:00 Author: Jaslow Posts: 775 |
| Would we as humans really just fly away if we found another species? Hell no. We'd take a ton of them back with us, we'd study them, eventually kill them, and come back for more. We'd kill all of them too, and then a war would break out. We'd win, because we're so powerful, and then we'd study the few creatures left. What makes you think other species are different? because they arent human, just because we do those things you have absolutly NO idea that they would... you should never assume anything...i dont assume that they wont kill us, im just saying that i dont assume that they deffinatly will either...simpley becuase i just dont know..YOU dont know anything either until an alien space ship starts bombing crap..then you can tell me theres an alien species that will kill us theres probably a mixture of aliens...ones that WILL kill us and ones that WONT kill us and ones that MIGHT....the fact that we are alive means that if they exist and have found us...they havent killed us and like i said, if we are so insignificant to them i dont see why they would waste their time with us anyway. you have no idea if an evil world destroying alien has passed our planet...AT ALL. just cus it hasnt killed us, it doesnt mean it hasnt flown passed us and just simply not bothered with us | 2010-08-03 18:18:00 Author: Xegethra Posts: 207 |
| Where's Bremnen >:I his replies are always interesting | 2010-08-03 18:30:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| how long before we get hate and then a lock? bets anyone? | 2010-08-03 18:35:00 Author: flamingemu  Posts: 1872 |
| Logically its the latter option, and I am a logical person so that is what I believe. I'm surprised that this thread is going so well, there is hope for us yet. | 2010-08-03 18:36:00 Author: Boomy  Posts: 3701 |
| Hello all! I just wanted to pop in a give a friendly reminder to be respectful while discussing this topic. In the past, these threads have not gone well, but I'd like to give you all a chance. However, be warned that if I or the other mods feel that this thread is heading to a bad place, we'll lock it up immediately. So, if you have an interest in this topic and want to discuss it and debate, feel free, but do so in a civilized manner. Thanks! EDIT: Also, lets stop the "In b4 this gets nasty" posts. Those don't add to the discussion. | 2010-08-03 18:37:00 Author: mrsupercomputer  Posts: 1335 |
| Please keep on topic and respect the opinions of others Also for Rocksauron...... That still doesn't help your "theory". You say the only reason that everything on the planet suits our needs is because, obviously, god did it. ......It's not my theory and I have not given my opinion on the subject, so please stop trying to contradict me and add to the Discusion. I will also add a video which will explain in greater detail to my origional post. | 2010-08-03 20:19:00 Author: MrFunctionality Posts: 637 |
| Ok, fine, it's not your theory. then what is this thread even supposed to be? You said that the fact that life on Earth is suitable to life on Earth is the work of God. Fair enough, whatever. you never said "IMO", so obviously it couldn't have been your opinion despite the fact that you made a topic out of it from nowhere, and then when someone says that it's faulty logic you claim they are not discussing it... or whatever you're saying. You said that this theory states that life on earth is suitable to life on Earth because of God. You did not say anything to indicate that this wasn't your opinion, because you made a thread dedicated to this theory in particular. Logically one would assume that that indicates that you believed said theory. However, I said that that theory proves nothing and is based on shaky reasoning that can go either way. you then called me out for not discussing it and "trying to contradict you". I have no idea what you're trying to say, but you're saying that all attempts to counter your logic is not "discussion" and tell me to "discuss" and not debate the point you're making. You said that life on Earth is suitable to life here because God must have been the cause. However, the basis of evolution states that life adapts to the environment around it. You say that the fact that an environment not suitable to things outside that environment does not matter, i.e. alien lifeforms don't matter in this discussion, let's only look at what favors our conclusion. So you say that the fact that, say, animals in the desert live where they would thrive is a result of God, and animals in the rainforest is a result of God, yes? That's pretty much your argument here. So, basically, this theory is just a way of saying that everything is how God wanted it to be? That's... pretty much it? >_< | 2010-08-03 20:41:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882 |
| Rock, I think you have misunderstood MrFunctionality. He was merely putting the theory out there for discussion, he was not claiming it as his own. | 2010-08-03 20:50:00 Author: mrsupercomputer Posts: 1335 |
| Clearly you have not watched the video Rock, now added to my origional post. Just because my thread is entitled "The God Theory" Does not mean that it supports the existence of God. I believe that all of your queeries could be anwsered if you just watch the video carefully, there are two arguments mentioned in the video and therefore debatable, hence the point of this thread. If you still struggle to understand after watching the video, than please stay away from this thread. | 2010-08-03 21:08:00 Author: MrFunctionality Posts: 637 |
| The only reason we are suited for Earth is because we came from it. If there was no Earth, we wouldn't exist. "God" didn't create the Earth for us, because we never existed. | 2010-08-03 21:11:00 Author: darth621  Posts: 43 |
| Please I urge you all to watch the video in my origional post before you state your opinion. I feel that many of you may not be well informed on the topic and that is why I have included a video explaining it. | 2010-08-03 21:15:00 Author: MrFunctionality Posts: 637 |
| Where's Bremnen >:I his replies are always interesting You just want to reply "i love you" | 2010-08-03 21:32:00 Author: Charlemagne Posts: 513 |
| I've watched the video a few times and I have to say I am confused slightly as to why Rock's argument is being completely disregarded but perhaps mine which is slightly different may fit. I assume the video is saying that because we have life in the universe God must have designed this universe to produce life. Well we can apply that mentality to a few things and make it stupid. For instance my phone on my desk right now is angled precisely in a direction with nothing in the way, for it to be in such a precise direction it must have been designed to be like that and our entire universe designed by God has been designed solely to make my phone point in that direction, well done God . In terms of importance if we remove the bias of us being humans, my phone being angled in a certain way is just as important as life existing in the universe. Now we have this argument working for my phone's rotation rather than the existence of life and yet my phone's rotation theory seems ridiculous even though I'm using the same principles. That's because I've just said '...importance if we remove the bias of us being humans' and that is the key thing: importance, intelligence, morals, purpose, happiness etc. don't exist unless we're humans and so that is why I reject this argument. It is saying that life is the key factor in the design of the universe which could be false and I believe it is only because we are humans that we assume that it is true due to our love of life ( additionally the narrator refers to the purpose of the universe and I refer you to the fact that purpose only exists to humans). | 2010-08-03 22:05:00 Author: Shermzor  Posts: 1330 |
| Nobody can be sure of anything. Anything humanity comes up with is an idea, so why start complaining of other's ideas. My idea: God exists, and watches us, lets us make our own decisions, loves everyone and only wants love back. I have my ideas, and people have theirs. Let them have it. | 2010-08-03 22:13:00 Author: KQuinn94Z  Posts: 1758 |
| Where's Bremnen >:I his replies are always interesting I was sleeping  And im not posting here because I know I would offend all the people that believe in a god. Hello all! I just wanted to pop in a give a friendly reminder to be respectful while discussing this topic. In the past, these threads have not gone well, but I'd like to give you all a chance. However, be warned that if I or the other mods feel that this thread is heading to a bad place, we'll lock it up immediately. So, if you have an interest in this topic and want to discuss it and debate, feel free, but do so in a civilized manner. Thanks! EDIT: Also, lets stop the "In b4 this gets nasty" posts. Those don't add to the discussion. Listen to MrSuperComputer! They wouldn't think twice about locking this thread if you start arguing :/ | 2010-08-03 22:22:00 Author: Bremnen  Posts: 1800 |
| i dunno, i dont believe anything has a purpose. to me things exist, live for a bit..then die. human or otherwise i think its all pretty pointless when you look at it. i just live for me and to make myself feel good as i realise that life, when you really look at it...is crap and pointless as everybody dies and loses everything eventually but thats getting a little off topic....nevermind | 2010-08-03 23:45:00 Author: Xegethra Posts: 207 |
| Locked at Mr. Functionality's request. | 2010-08-03 23:50:00 Author: mrsupercomputer Posts: 1335 |
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