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The Chicken came before the Egg
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| http://www.metro.co.uk/news/835020-the-chicken-came-first-not-the-egg-scientists-prove Or at least so says that source ^^ It's kinda' dissapointing that we know now, but at the same time; Go science, woo! | 2010-07-15 00:25:00 Author: Asbestos101  Posts: 1114 |
| YES finally the question of life finally got an answer! Wooo science rules! | 2010-07-15 00:27:00 Author: Alec  Posts: 3871 |
| Scientist #1: Hey guy's what you up to? Scientist #2: Well im furthering my research on curing cancer, turning dirt into water and the meaning of life. What are you doing? Scientist #1: *Hides chicken and egg under sheet* Oh you know.....science stuff.  | 2010-07-15 00:31:00 Author: Mr_T-Shirt  Posts: 1477 |
| I'm not seeing that as conclusive. The protein could have existed in the animal that the chicken evolved from..... Plus it's reported in the Metro lol. Also: Understanding how chickens make shells is fascinating in itself Is it really though?  | 2010-07-15 00:32:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| Wait, WHAT!? It's impossible! The Theory of Evolution states that it takes time to transform into another species. So, a T-Rex might have taken centuries to form, and by the time it dead, the egg with the final version of the chicken would have come out. I DEMAND A RECOUNT! :kz: | 2010-07-15 00:32:00 Author: CyberSora  Posts: 5551 |
| Exactly, it MUST have been a ifferent soecies close to a chicken, which layed egges from wich the 1st chicken came out from. 2nd answer They never specified if it had to be a "chicken egg" it could've been any other egg, in which case the egg was 1st as well. Scientist are pretty dumb to be scientists.. Everyone noticed hoe many stuff "scientists come up with is already known by regular people?  Seriously, wth are they paying them for anyways?! British researchers say the chicken must have come first as the formation of eggs is only possible thanks to a protein found in the chicken’s ovaries. Oh yeah, because i'm sure there's no way that the close predesessor from which the chicken was born, had those proteins as well... I mean, didn't most dinosaurs lay eggs?! Oh wait, then all mus be wrong, they couldn't have, they'd have to all been current time chickens only for them to be able to do that... -_- I repeat, some scientist are pretty dumb, they don't think of possiblities or beyond the box... Gah, so annoying these people get paid som much for suuch dumbness... | 2010-07-15 01:18:00 Author: Silverleon  Posts: 6707 |
| That's too much to read, I'm just going to agree with you, k? | 2010-07-15 02:36:00 Author: ExplosiveCheddar  Posts: 978 |
| Well, i'd assume they mean "What came first, the chicken chicken, or the chicken egg?". I think the technicality they are working on is the fact that the first chicken would have come from an egg that wouldn't have a tough shell, and so wouldn't be a proper chicken egg. The chicken would then go on to produce hard shelled eggs. That small change is probably the evolutionary trait that scientists are defining 'chickens' by... Or maybe i'm just pulling that all out of my- | 2010-07-15 03:17:00 Author: Asbestos101 Posts: 1114 |
| OK, here's my theory. NEITHER the chicken NOR the egg came first. Because everything is constantly evolving, the chicken and its egg would have evolved simultaneously, being that one comes from the other. | 2010-07-15 05:45:00 Author: Holguin86  Posts: 875 |
| Also: Is it really though? any quote attributed to beardy science guy gains instant truth points. | 2010-07-15 05:53:00 Author: monstahr  Posts: 1361 |
| yah must be the egg first | 2010-07-15 05:54:00 Author: theswweet  Posts: 2468 |
| Ahh, but in the article, they never stated the countless other possibilities that may have made the chicken into what it is today. It could have mutated while inside the egg. So I still think the egg came first. | 2010-07-15 07:31:00 Author: Mastadom Posts: 195 |
| I'm pretty sure the egg came first. Unless you mean an egg layed by a chicken. That would have to come from a chicken. Eggs have been around for a real long time though, as far as I know. Are you telling me that fish evolved from chicken?! *BRAINEXPLOSDE!" And what about dinosaurs? Have cartoons been lying to me all this time?! The chicken is probably a dumb flightless bird because it wasted all of its Evolution Points on laying eggs. Wouldn't a chicken be in the egg? So wouldn't the chicken and the chicken egg come at the same time? Eggs are stupid anyway, the babies are safer inside you dummy. It's kinda like the ABORTION ISSUE! Are fetuses people? GO! | 2010-07-15 10:14:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| I think the question, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg" was raised along time before the fact of evolution was discovered. The domesticated chicken is a hybrid form of the Red and Grey Junglefowl so the egg came first. | 2010-07-15 10:33:00 Author: Rhys125  Posts: 841 |
| This is a problem of nomenclature. Living, as we do, in this brief snapshot of evolutionary time, we have assigned fixed names to transient animal forms. There really was no point at which a non-chicken gave birth to chicken. Each child would have been of the same species as - i.e. would have been capable of successfully mating with - its parent's generation. In the same way, there is no fixed point at which we change from children into adults. Due to our need for a legal watershed, we deem that one becomes an adult at the stroke of midnight on their eighteenth birthday. This, like the separation of chickens from non-chicken ancestors is merely convention. As it happens, ovocledidin-17 evolved from other proteins which did the same job for the ancestral chickens. To say that because ovocledidin-17 exists only in chickens, chickens must have predated eggs, is factually inaccurate. As Gabriel uh... Silverleon? points out, this research has simply identified the protein used in chicken eggshell formation. Of course, this reply in itself may actually have evolved from a comment made by Crocoduck, Colchester, 15/7/2010 10:17 on the actual article featured in the OP. Unfortunately, since most scientists are working on such petty issues as curing AIDS and cancer, we will never know. | 2010-07-15 11:38:00 Author: resistance1  Posts: 812 |
| any quote attributed to beardy science guy gains instant truth points. It's a shame gordon freeman never speaks then. | 2010-07-15 12:00:00 Author: Asbestos101 Posts: 1114 |
| What if both came at the same time? | 2010-07-15 12:12:00 Author: Incinerator22  Posts: 3251 |
| what if both came at the same time? :o -------------- | 2010-07-15 12:44:00 Author: Alec Posts: 3871 |
| :o -------------- Aw I really though I could derail this thread and make it about abortion....  | 2010-07-15 14:37:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Aw I really though I could derail this thread and make it about abortion.... Last week I had an egg, bacon, cheese bagel for breakfast and some chicken for lunch. So that day, the egg definitely came before the chicken. I thought about having some eggs or chicken that evening, but I aborted the idea and had a burger. All were very yummy!! | 2010-07-15 15:12:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| Last week I had an egg, bacon, cheese bagel for breakfast and some chicken for lunch. So that day, the egg definitely came before the chicken. I thought about having some eggs or chicken that evening, but I aborted the idea and had a burger. All were very yummy!! That sounded like a very good day. | 2010-07-15 15:19:00 Author: Boomy  Posts: 3701 |
| That sounded like a very good day. It was! Funny thing though, yesterday when I went to the grocery. I passed by the meat coolers where lots of chicken was displayed. It wasn't till much later that I passed by the eggs as they have them waaaaay down on the other end of the store!! Wow! I can see why this debate is so difficult! | 2010-07-15 15:52:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| But the real question is who came last? | 2010-07-15 16:05:00 Author: CYBERSNAKE  Posts: 280 |
| well i know that the chicken came first cause the bible never mentioned the creation of eggs, just the creation of animals | 2010-07-15 16:29:00 Author: lightningbug1 Posts: 515 |
The chicken came first, and then the Egg, because that's the order I unlocked them in LBP (the fried chicken & egg objects)  | 2010-07-15 16:29:00 Author: Matimoo  Posts: 1027 |
lol  ................... | 2010-07-15 16:50:00 Author: lightningbug1 Posts: 515 |
| You better ask when we started to call the chicken a chicken. For all we know a chicken was a brontostegoceasariostigmasaurus before we named it chicken. | 2010-07-15 18:08:00 Author: Luos_83  Posts: 2136 |
| ...prolly around the same time it was tasty with bacon and mayo on a sandwich? lol I think the argument could go on forever as it sorta depends on the perspective. | 2010-07-15 18:13:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| I'm going out on a limb and say that I have not clue O.o | 2010-07-15 18:14:00 Author: piggabling  Posts: 2979 |
| Wrong. It was the egg. Sorry. | 2010-07-15 18:37:00 Author: Heckboy88 Posts: 179 |
| http://www.geekgaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/square-egg-egg-cuber-details.jpg I miss my egg press | 2010-07-15 18:37:00 Author: swanbrown  Posts: 898 |
| http://www.geekgaz.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/square-egg-egg-cuber-details.jpg I miss my egg press What is an egg press?  | 2010-07-15 18:38:00 Author: Boomy Posts: 3701 |
| Yeah, ummm... I don't ever want to see another cube-shaped egg in my life... :/ | 2010-07-15 18:41:00 Author: piggabling Posts: 2979 |
| I tried coming up with a joke for this thread....I just can't ; ; thumbs up because I can't come up with a joke. But I still think the egg came first :| | 2010-07-15 18:56:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| Actually, the egg came before the chicken.... at least today it did. I had scrambled eggs for breakfast, and chicken nachos for lunch. I think the scientists somehow missed the POINT of the question. | 2010-07-15 19:38:00 Author: CCubbage  Posts: 4430 |
| Actually, the egg came before the chicken.... at least today it did. I had scrambled eggs for breakfast, and chicken nachos for lunch. I think the scientists somehow missed the POINT of the question. See! That's what I was saying! lol | 2010-07-15 19:53:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Well, I believe chickens constantly evolve genetically, and the chickens now can't be the chickens 10 years in time, since it will be a whole new generation, and if the environment stays exactly the same they still will change a little depending the father and mother... That makes me think... Where's the rooster in all of this? The chicken must have had parents... ZOMG, are chickens actually aliens secretly planning to take over the wo... *gets hit by frying pan of the dark* You know, I have never liked eggs that much. Bacon is lovely though. | 2010-07-15 19:58:00 Author: moonwire  Posts: 1627 |
| egg... off to the scientific debate thread for another debate | 2010-07-15 20:26:00 Author: theswweet Posts: 2468 |
| New thought! The chicken came first, it was pulled out of a hat! No wait. That was the rabbit. :/ | 2010-07-17 18:46:00 Author: moonwire Posts: 1627 |
Classic question. What do you think? | 2010-11-04 01:58:00 Author: Wildking123 Posts: 13 |
| is this because i started this (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=39124-If-a-tree-fell-down)? | 2010-11-04 02:00:00 Author: wait wtf  Posts: 853 |
| most definitely don't be mad | 2010-11-04 02:04:00 Author: Wildking123 Posts: 13 |
| Egg. Its not like a monkey will walk into a tree and come out a chicken. | 2010-11-04 02:04:00 Author: Testudini  Posts: 3262 |
| most definitely don't be mad eh im not really mad, at least someone shares my curiosity | 2010-11-04 02:06:00 Author: wait wtf Posts: 853 |
| ok im going to drop a bomb on the tread The answer, they say, is the chicken. Researchers found that the formation of egg shells relies on a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries. Therefore, an egg can exist only if it has been inside a chicken. | 2010-11-04 02:11:00 Author: howMUCHforBOUNTY  Posts: 623 |
| ok im going to drop a bomb on the tread The answer, they say, is the chicken. Researchers found that the formation of egg shells relies on a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries. Therefore, an egg can exist only if it has been inside a chicken. Chickens are predecessors of dinasours, I don't think scientists could be dumb enough to not realize that if the chickens have it, predecesssors could have too... (Its not like chickens are the only ovioars in the world anyways.) And ou ever asked what kind of egg, so obviously the answer its the egg, since there were all kinds of eggs before chickens ever existed. (Pterodacyles were ovipares for example.) PS: Please use the search engine m8 as I'm sure there's a couple of other threads asking the same thing. (I recall answering at least one of them, that's how I remember. ) | 2010-11-04 02:15:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| ok im going to drop a bomb on the tread The answer, they say, is the chicken. Researchers found that the formation of egg shells relies on a protein found only in a chicken's ovaries. Therefore, an egg can exist only if it has been inside a chicken. .......Thread Ended | 2010-11-04 02:15:00 Author: MrFunctionality  Posts: 637 |
Well, it never stated a specific kind of egg now, did they?  As Silver said, it's gotta be the egg. | 2010-11-04 02:17:00 Author: Outlaw-Jack  Posts: 5757 |
| I think this is a duplicate thread to be honest ..however both can be tasty for breakfast, lunch or dinner. | 2010-11-04 02:17:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| I'm really not seeing any evidence that it had to be one or the other. Either one. | 2010-11-04 02:19:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251 |
| These new breed of threads should all be asked in "The Wrong Answer Game! (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=15022-The-Wrong-Answer-Game!)". Which I like to call it, "The ask a dumb question, get a dumb answer!" Thread. I felt 'stupid' was too mean of a word | 2010-11-04 02:43:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Classic question. What do you think? WELL, you never asked what about the chicken or the egg, or "which came first"...so I'm just going to say, if you're going to smash something, smash an egg. Chicken? No, that's just wrong. | 2010-11-04 02:58:00 Author: warlord_evil  Posts: 4193 |
| What if it is an elderly chicken versus a healthy egg that is about to hatch? | 2010-11-04 03:01:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251 |
| What came first is a common ancestor of all creatures, one-celled organism. This one organism is the great-great-great etc. grandfather of every creature ever to walk this earth. This creature evolved and reproduced, and its descendants all went there separate ways along the path of evolution. The chicken path was paved by dinosaurs, who evolved into the more specific Pterodactyl, who became a bird, who split into tons of different species and types of birds. (I've been reading too much Richard Dawkins) | 2010-11-04 03:03:00 Author: Jaslow  Posts: 775 |
| What if it is an elderly chicken versus a healthy egg that is about to hatch? Elderly chickens are ususally the wisest ones, and could play a vital role in chicken society. Babies just poop. | 2010-11-04 03:04:00 Author: booXely  Posts: 654 |
| can i say nothing before both because im atheist | 2010-11-04 03:17:00 Author: WESFUN  Posts: 1336 |
| What came first is a common ancestor of all creatures, one-celled organism. This one organism is the great-great-great etc. grandfather of every creature ever to walk this earth. This creature evolved and reproduced, and its descendants all went there separate ways along the path of evolution. The chicken path was paved by dinosaurs, who evolved into the more specific Pterodactyl, who became a bird, who split into tons of different species and types of birds. (I've been reading too much Richard Dawkins) That would be technically correct, if it wasn't for the fact that it was not asked at all. (The question is between the chicken and the egg, noit the chicken and anything... :S) | 2010-11-04 04:10:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| Chicken, otherwise the egg wouldn't have a chicken to sit on it and keep it warm, thus it would never hatch and create the awesome chicken sandwich. | 2010-11-04 13:03:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I totally thought Chickens evolved from the mighty T-REX, man do I feel stupid. | 2010-11-04 13:14:00 Author: TheAffected  Posts: 626 |
| It is impossible to know, do not know how everything was formed, it remains unclear how the trees grew, no one knows how the animals ended up here. I do not believe in God (I'm atheist) carrying me who came first was the egg. If you are Christian, it is logical to believe that the chicken came first, because then God would have created her, and she hit an egg and the egg hatched and it was another... | 2010-11-04 15:12:00 Author: Cauan-XV  Posts: 491 |
| They're both delicious if thats what you're asking. Now the real question is the cookies or the milk"? | 2010-11-04 16:12:00 Author: Bradlee  Posts: 96 |
| The chicken path was paved by dinosaurs, who evolved into the more specific Pterodactyl, who became a bird, who split into tons of different species and types of birds. (I've been reading too much Richard Dawkins) The earliest bird is actually thought to have been Archaeopteryx. Also, Pterosaurs are technically not Dinosaurs. http://migration.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/archaeopteryx.jpg http://www.dinosaurspark.com/dino_imgs/big/archaeopteryx.jpg P.S. You can never read too much Dawkins. | 2010-11-04 16:30:00 Author: Rhys125 Posts: 841 |
| The egg. Why? Because a not-quite-a-chicken-but-almost-a-chicken laid an egg, and out hatched a full-proper-chicken. Simples. | 2010-11-04 17:31:00 Author: Nuclearfish  Posts: 927 |
| well if I may say so myself anybody who DOESN'T know the question is P-R-E-T-T-Y stupid. just saying | 2010-11-04 23:16:00 Author: Wildking123 Posts: 13 |
| well if I may say so myself anybody who DOESN'T know the question is P-R-E-T-T-Y stupid. just saying Its not that they don't know the question... it is just that the question is so very vague. | 2010-11-05 02:35:00 Author: TheAffected Posts: 626 |
| Vague enough that i could answer it with bagel? or vague enough for me to say that it is one of the above | 2010-11-05 19:20:00 Author: unXpectiD Posts: 1132 |
| Well, depends.... If you mean... "What did god create first, the chicken or the egg" Then i honestly don't care... But! If you mean, "Which was formed first, the chicken or the egg." I gotta say the chicken. | 2010-11-05 20:16:00 Author: Joshofsouls  Posts: 1569 |
| Merged threads. Interestingly, this came up on QI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QI) last night, and they went with the same tired answer of "the egg" based on the question not specifying what species of animal's egg it was referring to, which is a little boring for a show which is supposed to be "Quite Interesting". The question is more interesting if you assume it's supposed to be interpreted as "Which came first: the chicken or the chicken egg?", in which case the language nazi would say it depends how you define "chicken egg". If you define it as "the egg layed by the first creature deemed to be a chicken", then the answer is "the chicken", whereas if you define it as "the egg from which the first animal deemed to be a chicken hatched from", then the answer is "the egg". Of course, this all implies that you believe the Theory of Evolution. If you instead subscribe to the more dogmatic Judeo?Christian creationist beliefs, then it's much simpler. The answer is clearly "the chicken, because it says so in Genesis". From the Zen school of thought, a more 'enlightened' answer would be "mu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative))", i.e. that neither of the answers are correct because the question relies on a false premise. It's not dissimilar to the 'yes or no' question "have you stopped beating your wife yet?", for which to give either response implies that you have beaten your wife in the past. In this instance the problem is that the word "chicken" represents a category logic error (http://www.abelard.org/category/category.php), i.e. in reality there's no such thing as a chicken - it's just a convenient delusion to aid in the more important endeavors of human existence, such as deciding what to eat. Of course, the Zen master wouldn't actually say that. They'd probably answer with "does a chicken have Buddha-nature?" Finally, as the OP implies, the answer of a good scientist would be "I'm not sure. Give me a massive research grant and I'll spend it all on beer while pretending to do some pointless research let you know". | 2010-11-06 14:11:00 Author: Aya042  Posts: 2870 |
| Interesting post Aya!! ..I've always felt it was a matter of perspective as well. For example.. if both were going on a sandwich, the chicken comes first because it takes much longer to prepare and cook. The egg only takes a few minutes in relation to the chicken, plus you want it nice and hot for your "which came first" (i.e chicken and egg) sandwich. Of course, now the question becomes mayo or no mayo? | 2010-11-06 14:38:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Merged threads. Interestingly, this came up on QI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QI) last night, and they went with the same tired answer of "the egg" based on the question not specifying what species of animal's egg it was referring to, which is a little boring for a show which is supposed to be "Quite Interesting". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxsirHtUAC4 | 2010-11-06 14:39:00 Author: Rabid-Coot  Posts: 6728 |
| cook an egg and a chicken at the same time. the egg will be cooked before the chicken. So which came to the table first? the chicken! | 2010-11-06 15:25:00 Author: unXpectiD Posts: 1132 |
| The egg came first; an egg is, in fact, a cell, so when you think of an egg as a eukaryotic, unicellular organism, the egg as a structure for the reproduction of organisms did, in fact, come first. | 2010-11-06 16:48:00 Author: Stoicrow Posts: 276 |
| God created the chicken, then the chicken layed an egg. Simple, yes? | 2010-11-06 17:28:00 Author: The-Questor  Posts: 1328 |
| I think that the only way that it could have been the chicken first is if a mammal evolved into a chicken over time, although this is very unlikely so I believe the egg came first. | 2010-11-06 17:58:00 Author: Tomeh999  Posts: 763 |
| The chicken came first, I knew that, but the chicken wasn't the chicken like we see today, it looked more like this- http://i26.tinypic.com/303g6mv.jpg | 2010-11-06 18:04:00 Author: X-FROGBOY-X  Posts: 1800 |
| The chicken came first, I knew that, but the chicken wasn't the chicken like we see today, it looked more like this- http://i26.tinypic.com/303g6mv.jpg I knew chickens descend from dinosaurs, but that picture really exaggerates it xD Very funny picture, saved. | 2010-11-07 06:59:00 Author: robbit10  Posts: 450 |
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