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Alright, I am daring myself on the edge of a 1000 feet cliff here, but I really like to see the view, so I will just watch out for sudden gusts of wind... This is about those God things. Now, this is my view, and if it does not correspond to your own, either just ignore the thread or let your anger loose on me. I have never been a big fan of the bible and it's story, the least it's version of the world telling we've been here around 6000 years or so. I am more into what science tells, and the nature laws that control the world. Though, I do believe in a ultimate entity, or something out there beyond our comprehensivity. But him being an old man with beard living in the skies, which is the way most people portray him, I find a little silly. What I have thought out in my head is some sort of being recognized as what we call Dark matter (or was it Dark energy?), which is just a theory and still is. This substance is what you would call electromagnetic. I do not know the right term, but this is the one that fits the most. It is scattered around where there's planets and etc, and is one massive being. And into this being, everything you think gets stored, which means that when you die, you go on inside the mist of thoughts, along with all the others. You can "see" inside a human's brain with those electromagnetic devices, watching where the blood flows. The entity is able to detect this, so it always read your thoughts, along with storing them. Also, the mind of those who are already gone are still there, and they are still living. When a when you have a sense of the more supernatural, this is what you feel. The entity is able to control things at a greater scale as well. When a person, several persons, or something else concentrate their thoughts, they what you could call an implosion, where you everything is drawn toward center where you are concentrated. Everything from a pebble moved a little to the side, to a tornado avoiding hitting a house. It also gives an explanation for ghosts and etc. Ghosts are often created under horrible circumstances. Either it's murder, or it's something else. Anyway, these feelings have kind of glitched themselves, and are stuck and tied to where everything happened. These ghosts are able to control the electromagnetism that is there, and also in your brain, so you might see things that are not supposed to be real, and control their sorrounding, stirring real life up. Now, how can there have been anything at the start, because humans (homo sapiens) have not been here all the time, neither any other animals with consciousness. I am going back to the big bag theory. Now, this is still a theory, but there are reasonable arguments for it's existence, and I believe in it, since it's the one making most sense to me. How did this happen? If I am right, it was that universe was a tiny little thing, and then it started expanding at a breakneck pace. Now, what triggered this incident? I believe there was/is a giant entity from all the start, which knows all in the world. Concentrating with all it's might it made something happen, and the whole universe just went KABOOM!!! That's more or less it. Kind of wanted to share it, writing it down and see what other people think. I neither can't see in the site rules about this is going to backfire on me, as long as I am reasonable. And I am just posting my opinion on how it might me. Thank you This is all my opinions, so if you have your own reasonable ones, then please post them.

2010-06-19 23:51:00 Author: moonwire Posts: 1627

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can you make a Small story of it? i hate text walls

2010-06-19 23:54:00 Author: Unknown User

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can you make a Small story of it? i hate text walls It has paragraphs, and is therefore not a 'wall' of text. Anyway, i didn't read the entire thing, i'm too tired, so i may well edit this in the morning on the assumption it will be unrelated. But i have no idea what i think of an 'ultimate entity', i would like to believe that their is life after death (my plan for an amazing band relies on it...) however i can't see how it is possible, everything i see, think and hear points to nothing after our lives end. As for an ultimate entity, i just don't think it is possible, or feasible. I'd love to be proven wrong, it would be interesting to see what happens, however, for the time being i'm gonna side with science. Also, before anyone points me to my post that got me silenced, my saying i hope for an afterlife, and that i feel an 'ultimate entity' would be interesting, does not mean i am religious. So i'm not contradicting myself

2010-06-20 01:02:00 Author: Unknown User

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the big bag theory. The theory that if you have a big bag you can put more stuff in it.

2010-06-20 01:09:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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That was actually a cool thought on how the universe works. I am Christian, but I like that opinion. EDIT : Did I repeat myself?

2010-06-20 02:02:00 Author: AbstractFlesh Posts: 837

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Im procrastinating anyway, so why not dive into moonwire's post? [...] I am more into what science tells[...} That's nice, I'll answer on that basis. But in my oppinion, your post sounds more like an esoteric approach. (not judging, just saying) and the nature laws that control the world. No, I have to correct you here: No natural law controls anything. Outside of human culture natural laws are meaningless. It is just our way to adress our recognition of patterns, meachanisms and regularities, that happen to happen despite any human intentions. (So many authors make this mistake...) Though, I do believe in a ultimate entity, So, definitely not a scientific approch !?! some sort of being recognized as what we call Dark matter (or was it Dark energy?), which is just a theory Ehh... dark matter and energy are nothing but holes in our current theorie of gravity. On a pretty large scale, regular matter seems not to act as relativity predicts. Since relativity works VERY well in other behalfs (but neither on a very small scale) one easy explanation could be that there is more stuff out there, that we just can't detect and that influences gravity on intergalactic scale. But we know more about what dm can't be than actually what it could be. But there is NO evidence, that the term "being" could be applied useful to it either. This substance is what you would call electromagnetic. If you are still refering to dm, it's neither substance (say matter or antimatter) nor electromagnatic (nor any of the other interactive forces we know about). It is scattered around where there's planets and etc Not just out there, in here as well. If there is dark matter/energy, there is no evidence to assume, that it wouldn't be here on earth, in your kitchen as well. and is one massive being. And into this being, everything you think gets stored, which means that when you die, you go on inside the mist of thoughts, along with all the others. Again, no evidence, so not scientific. It also gives an explanation for ghosts and etc. Ghosts are often created under horrible circumstances. Assuming of course, that ghosts exist, right? Which I think is actually nothing that is commonly accepted by people, who comprehend the world in a scientific way...(Hence, many believe in the existence of souls, that seems to me just like a ghost in a body...) big bag theory. Now, this is still a theory, but there are reasonable arguments for it's existence, You are talking about big baNg theory, right? (even though that other comment above was cool :-D) I know the evidence for bb theory, but I have a problem with it: You simply can not ask correctly if and what happend before. Seems to me like a built-in censor... So, to me it sounds, the being you belief in is (close to) almighty but the other ingredient, (which would be needed so that people would call it god) the interest in humans and fiddeling with our daily live is done by "ghosts", that share some similarities with it or do they become one with it? Since you asked, I share my belief as well: I believe, that evolution is the only force that formed our life sphere and that we (our human consciousness) have also devolped through evolution and that no other being has ever influenced us. I believe, that the thing, that sets humans apart from other beings is our variety and history in culture and without these 10000 years of culture, anything I could ever do would be entirely without meaning. I believe, my way to look at the world is only possible because I was born in this time (not 500 years earlier) and lived the life I had up to this point. I believe, I don't have to believe anything, just because somebody or many say so. I despise any belief, that encourages people in any way to kill other people. This is what I believe in.

2010-06-20 04:50:00 Author: Xario Posts: 238

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Interesting thoughts, Moon/Xario. Personally, I myself am an agnostic, with one foot on the side of caution, and one on the side of belief; We don't know whether there is some higher power, but I myself like to believe that, even though our universe is dominated by scientific rules, there's some kind of higher being or purpose; a karma, a destiny, a deity, or something. I myself was raised Catholic but having been led down a path of logic I saw, much like Moon, that The Bible is somewhat inconsistent with the image of what should be a God. I mean, flooding the entire Earth? Killing your son to remove a punishment you yourself instated? Come on, man. You're the Almighty. There are workarounds. "Hey Abraham, kill your son!" "R0FL! Sure thing, God!" "JK, LOL!" In any case, I kind of have to agree with Xario that, scientifically, your argument for the 'Dark Matter Deity' is kind of flawed. Maybe there is such a higher power, but your specific argument is not correct. However, Xario, there are rules, as limited as we are by our mere human foresight, to how the universe works. Yes, you can call them patterns a machinations and the like, but in any case, the universe just can't pop a sun out of nowhere, or make gravity inconsistent across the cosmos.

2010-06-20 06:47:00 Author: Astrosimi Posts: 2046

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@Mr. KittyCat: Sorry, you got to read the whole thing. I have no idea how to make this into a story. @AlexW618: Well, that's kind of how I think about it, whit your thoughts being stored and such, and so you will get punished, or praised, when you get there, and everything you have done is judged by someone or something. I am also siding with sience, until anything is approved. This is all just musing from my side. @Rabid-Coot: Ok, I was meant to write big bang, I was a little tired, and did not notice. I think I will leave it as it is, I can't stop laughing when I read your big bag theory. @Evanesced: Thank you! Comes from year after year with musings of the weirdest kind. @Xario: Well, this is kind of esoteric, or so you say, from my side. I have just come up with some random thoughts that makes sense to me, based on the knowledge we have today. I am into science, and I have tried to make what we refer to as god, or gods, a little more scientifically explainable. And you are right, the nature laws don't control it, but at least it tells what things are supposed to do. But for different places, there are different laws, is it not? one pound on earth is not one pound on mars and so on. I do believe, or think, that there might be a deity out there bigger than ourselves, but I am trying to put a scientific filter over it all. Though, what sort of substance it is made of I have no idea about. until now I have gone just for dark matter, since it is a substance that we know so little about. The electromagnetic idea is more or less from the avatar movie, with the connected trees and everything, but instead of trees, it's just a giant something that's everywhere. As for my ghost theory, it is just a muse about how ghosts would be created and exist, if they do exist of course. Yes it's always the question, what was before big bang, but that's around 13 billion years ago, so I think we have no idea. How could anyone? Plus, I am not saying just the ghosts are toying with us, they are tied to to dramatic spot, while those who went over to the next life without any problems would also be able to change things, and go anywhere they would like. Your belief is close to what I believe in, this is not some sort of religious thing I have come up with, it's more or less my own thoughts and ideas on how a being we can't recognize normally could be like. @Atrosimi: When it comes to the bible, christianity and such they are a pain in my ***. On school, the schedule for religious studies is something like 40% christianity, 25% other religions and 35% philosophy. Before, Christianity was on 55%. So at least it's going the right way. I encountered in my Religious study book (which is from before it was 40% christianity, so we are still learning 55% ) this: "In this book we will teach you about other religions and to understand their views." Now, below this it stands: This book contains around 50% stuff about christianity, 25% on other religions (Islam, Judaism, Buddhism and Hinduism) along with 25% about philosophy and ethics." A tiny bit contradictory, don't you thing? I always get really angry about chirstianity always trying to convert people (same goes for Islam), and say that you go to hell/purgatory if you don't want to. Why should their belief be any better? Not too much respectful.

2010-06-20 12:35:00 Author: moonwire Posts: 1627

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Here's a quote from Tom Clancy: ?The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.? "Life" is really weird when you think about it. I just try to have fun. I think that's the meaning of life.

2010-06-20 13:50:00 Author: midnight_heist Posts: 2513

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Anything is possible, but this is a bit too stream of conscious for my tastes. The truth is, there is no real basis in scripture that supports the idea that God looks an old bearded man and not even that much that supports him/her/it even being humanoid beyond "making man in his image." That popular image more or less a product of what I'd call a "theme park" version of Christianity, which made the whole belief system more palatable to the general masses via simplified teachings and artwork for people who couldn't even read at the time. Due to ancient pop-cultural osmosis, much like the idea that Jesus was white, it ended up as the popular image rather then a strictly accurate one. What's truly pitiful is that theme park version of Christianity prettymuch remained more ingrained into the Christian psyche even to this day; an amazing number of Christians don't even really know a whole lot about their bible, which might just as well be considering the number of bizarre and disturbing stories and themes that seem to run throughout it (http://www.thebricktestament.com/revelation/index.html). And that isn't even getting into the older version of it... "Hey Abraham, kill your son!" "R0FL! Sure thing, God!" "JK, LOL!" Oh, and don't play this video at school kiddies... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWqtpqQjNug You know, the Greek gods as a whole were prettymuch pricks but their relationship with their worshippers were a whole lot more straightforward; people worshipped them because they knew even if the gods were pricks you didn't have much choice in the matter because they were still gods who could make your life and afterlife totally suck. And while physics was never my favorite subject, I know enough to tell you that calling something "electromagnetic" in nature is actually an incredibly broad statement given that electromagnetism is one of the four fundamental forces in the universe and is intrinsicly involved in just about everything observable around us (including ourselves). Dark Matter is an exception to this rule as it doesn't interact with anything on the electromagnetic spectrum, thus (as Xario stated) you can't really have an "electromagnetic dark matter entity." Not to say that a dark matter entity couldn't exist, but the only meaningful interaction it would have with the rest of the universe is exert gravitational force, which in itself isn't very special given that gravity is also one of the fundamental forces that just about everything exerts. And Avatar is probably the last thing you want to use to make sense of the universe...

2010-06-21 03:35:00 Author: Dapiek Absaroka Posts: 512

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(About natural laws, referring to Astrosini's answer): Yes, there are patterns and everything, so we can rely on our hope, not to expect random things all the time. But they aren't written down somewhere (especially not in stone) outside of human culture and during the last 1000 years, most rules, that we considered as NATURAL LAW, are not anymore. Why should that change during our lifetime? ------- gone just for dark matter, since it is a substance that we know so little about That's why I was answering, I think you have a wrong notion of dark matter (I love wikipedia for such knowledge (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter)). It's a very catchy name they've come up with, but it would be more accurate to call it: "The stupid *****, which screams in our faces, that our current theoriy of gravitation is wrong or incomplete". --------- It is very difficult to phrase a sentence, that everyone always perceives as correct, I end up with examples like: "A triangle does never have more than three vertices." @everybody: Duelity (http://www.duelity.net/) are two artsy, funny, creative and thoughtfull short movies, that show two points of view, on how we came to exist. Best is to watch both versions parallel via "watch->deulity". With this direct link to the combined file (http://media.vfs.com/media/DD/07_12_12/dd07_duelity_both_slated.flv), you can zoom in better. It's somewhat old but I still enjoy it every once again.

2010-06-21 17:41:00 Author: Xario Posts: 238

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