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Media Molecule's stance on the Cool Pages.

Archive: 105 posts

I posted this on my profile at first because, understandably, threads of this nature tend to get locked pretty quickly. Doopz suggested that it was worthy of a thread, as not many people would see it on my profile.

This is a quote from Tom on the Workshop ( http://forums.littlebigworkshop.com/t5/General-Discussion/The-current-community-really/td-p/257501/page/4)


Hey guys,

We're aware of the problems with Cool Levels at the moment, thanks to some great feedback from you all.
It's sad that there are griefers out there doing this

Obviously we're all working very hard on LBP2; and all the improvements that it will bring to the community, cool levels, searching and the share aspect in general. BUT if there is anything we figure out as a quick fix for the problem that is happening right now on Cool Levels in LBP1, we will want to do whatever we can.


Also, the following was posted by Spaff in this very thread.


Hey all - yeah this is a problem, and it's a tough one to find a solution to that we can quickly do something about, we're just trying to choose the right path, but mainly 150% of our time is going into lbp2 right now.

I've got my eyes on what's going on, and will be doing whatever I can to make it better - luckily when lbp2 hits, the problem will go away.

We're very sorry about the disruption at the moment, luckily most of you use other means to find levels anyways, but yeah, apologies!

if a lot of grief reports come in via the good grief system, naming names, it might help, you never know

It's good to know that Mm are aware about what's going on and that they're willing to do something. 		2010-06-12 14:46:00

Author:
Rhys125
Posts: 841

(Blame me if this thread gets locked )

But yay! 		2010-06-12 14:48:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

This is awesome!
But I honestly can't see how they would fix it, at the current state it's in... :/

Surprise me Mm! ^_^		2010-06-12 14:50:00

Author:
Plasmavore
Posts: 1913

Not that it matters to me as I ignore those pages.. however;

Two thoughts. Not allow more than one levle of any author on page one AND republishing does not float a level back up temporarily. The latter might help them in reclaiming some horsepower from their publishing services processes as I would think after a time, kiddies wouldn't be republishing every 4 seconds after finding out it does them no good. 		2010-06-12 15:02:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

The way you find and search for levels in LBP2 is definitely much improved. It will now become so much easier to find levels that are worth playing

With the new in game searching and LBP.me, the cool pages problems will most definitely be over 		2010-06-12 15:04:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

Thanks for that Jack. I figured as much and was really happy to read some of what they have talked about concerning streams etc.

Just for clarification, my thoughts were just a quick fix for LBP1.		2010-06-12 15:07:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

I second Jacks notion. LBP.me will be a real breather.2010-06-12 15:24:00

Author:
The Gentleman
Posts: 360

The way you find and search for levels in LBP2 is definitely much improved. It will now become so much easier to find levels that are worth playing

With the new in game searching and LBP.me, the cool pages problems will most definitely be over

At start maybe but someone will find a loop hole, it could easy be worst but finger cross it dont.		2010-06-13 09:02:00

Author:
jump_button
Posts: 1014

Stephanie Ravens has to visit this thread...2010-06-13 09:21:00

Author:
talbot-trembler
Posts: 1114

So... what's the situation with cool pages, and what exactly are the "griefers" doing? Is it just the way cool pages has always sucked or is there something new that's going on?2010-06-13 10:41:00

Author:
Sehven
Posts: 2188

It's something new that's going on. There are a few spammers, and I won't mention names, that have ridiculous numbers of levels on the cool pages. These levels are copies of other levels, and really have no play value whatsoever. This makes cool pages pretty much useless, and I think most people here have just resorted to playing spotlighted levels and not even bothering to look at the cool pages. I'm not exactly the right person to describe this though, I've been away for a few months. Anyone care to elaborate? 2010-06-13 10:48:00

Author:
resistance1
Posts: 812

This is just my idea, but a simple way to fix this would be to make you only get to republish once a day. It might get a bit annoying to the really good creators who want to iron out bugs, but it would keep people from being able to just republish every five seconds 24/7.

Just my 2cents.		2010-06-13 16:51:00

Author:
SackRacer77
Posts: 153

Ok, well thank you for posting this - very nice to see that AT LEAST, MM have acknowledged this.

I think this is very easy to fix in LBP1 - you can only have one level at a time on Cool Pages. Easy enough. (Of course, they should simply ban the people that have been doing this for months and months.)

Most people (honest creators) spend weeks/months on a level - I doubt they need to post more than one level at once any way.

MM are a very creative bunch of people, I now they are busy with LBP2, but I would like to think they believe this is one of the most important issues affecting LBP1 at the moment.

Any, I'm glad to see this, thanks OP.		2010-06-13 17:15:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

I think most people here have just resorted to playing spotlighted levels and not even bothering to look at the cool pages.

Oh, well I've been doing that forever. Not necessarily checking the spotlighted levels. I've only checked a few and didn't like them that much: not that they're bad; just not my taste. Mostly, I'll skim through the threads here to see what looks good and if I find one that looks interesting, I'll give it a try. My favorite method, though, is to look through respected creator's hearted levels. Once I find an exceptional creator (such as JackofCourse, Wex, Kiminski, etc) I'll go through their hearted levels and try out the ones that look good. That's how I've found most of my hearted levels.... and I'm pretty stingy with hearts (since I use them as bookmarks rather than rewards or whatever everybody else thinks they're using them for) so most of what's in my hearted list is the cream of the crop.		2010-06-14 13:10:00

Author:
Sehven
Posts: 2188

It would be really cool to see cool levels being cool again.2010-06-14 20:47:00

Author:
Mr_T-Shirt
Posts: 1477

[...] and what exactly are the "griefers" doing?

Post-Apocalyptic 2 was moderated a couple days ago, for example. comphermc theorized that people were jealous of it being on Highest Rated. 		2010-06-14 20:52:00

Author:
Incinerator22
Posts: 3251

I've never understood why we're able to copy other people's levels and republish at all tbh. The only thing it's good for is spamming and plagiarism. Why not just make copies unpublishable? 2010-06-14 21:39:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

Yay!
Actually, I look at the pages once in awhile, every now and then a good level pops out (not copied levels either)		2010-06-15 19:13:00

Author:
JspOt
Posts: 3607

Yes!! I'm SO happy! I can find levels on LBPC, and things like that, but the cool pages is just so convient (or at least, it would be) I'm THRILLED they're fixing this!2010-06-15 19:54:00

Author:
EvasiveSpoon
Posts: 119

Hope the plan works.2010-06-15 23:16:00

Author:
767
Posts: 123

Finally a thread that is not locked about this. How freakin annoying these 2 people have become. The main issue is these people are putting keys in the levels that are on page 1 cool and it boosts the other new levels to page 2 in a day, with no republishes.
They either need banned. Or make the key system go away. I hope something is done soon.		2010-06-16 02:46:00

Author:
fijski8
Posts: 159

I think they should make it so each person can only have 1 level on the cool pages at once. After all, isn't that the problem? People like *coughcoughStephaniecoughRavens* and *coughcoughnotasbadasthefirstonebutcoughx3-powercough* spamming the cool pages with as many levels as they can cram in.

The fact that practically all of StephanieRaven's levels are copies, shark survials, Grab to Survive or those awful obstacle course levels doesn't help either.

So yeah, make it that copied levels can't be published unless the person you copy it from is on your friends list, and make it so one individual can't have more than one level on the Cool Pages at any one time.		2010-06-19 15:59:00

Author:
kirbyman62
Posts: 1893

why not have that copied levels can't get on to the "Cool Pages" ?2010-06-19 16:30:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

That would do ;D. MM should realise that these two individuals are killing their game and need to take action to save it now, rather than leaving it until lbp2.2010-06-19 16:38:00

Author:
SteveBigGuns
Posts: 423

I can't believe they're still doing it actually, it's absolutely crazy, how on earth are they not bored? I can kind of see why they might have got a bit of a thrill from doing it at first, but to continue for this long is nuts. Have they seriously got nothing better to do? Quite sad really.

I'm quite surprised (and disappointed) that they've not been banned tbh. While what they're doing hasn't been specifically outlined in the ToS, spamming and causing disruption has.

https://secure.eu.playstation.com/psn/support/grief-reporting/
http://np.us.playstation.com/complaint/pc/ComplaintForm.aspx

2010-06-19 17:00:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

Hey all - yeah this is a problem, and it's a tough one to find a solution to that we can quickly do something about, we're just trying to choose the right path, but mainly 150% of our time is going into lbp2 right now.

I've got my eyes on what's going on, and will be doing whatever I can to make it better - luckily when lbp2 hits, the problem will go away.

We're very sorry about the disruption at the moment, luckily most of you use other means to find levels anyways, but yeah, apologies!

if a lot of grief reports come in via the good grief system, naming names, it might help, you never know 		2010-06-22 11:51:00

Author:
Spaff_Molecule
Posts: 421

Hey all - yeah this is a problem, and it's a tough one to find a solution to that we can quickly do something about, we're just trying to choose the right path, but mainly 150% of our time is going into lbp2 right now.

I've got my eyes on what's going on, and will be doing whatever I can to make it better - luckily when lbp2 hits, the problem will go away.

We're very sorry about the disruption at the moment, luckily most of you use other means to find levels anyways, but yeah, apologies!

if a lot of grief reports come in via the good grief system, naming names, it might help, you never know

Thanks Spaff, its good to hear you understand! 		2010-06-22 11:55:00

Author:
Fenderjt
Posts: 1969

Hey all - yeah this is a problem, and it's a tough one to find a solution to that we can quickly do something about, we're just trying to choose the right path, but mainly 150% of our time is going into lbp2 right now.

I've got my eyes on what's going on, and will be doing whatever I can to make it better - luckily when lbp2 hits, the problem will go away.

We're very sorry about the disruption at the moment, luckily most of you use other means to find levels anyways, but yeah, apologies!

if a lot of grief reports come in via the good grief system, naming names, it might help, you never know

Thanks Spaff, it's good to have people from Mm around this site and informing us 		2010-06-22 11:58:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

Right can someone point me to a description of exactly what these guys are doing?

We're working out the best way of fixing this situation. 		2010-06-22 15:42:00

Author:
Spaff_Molecule
Posts: 421

Right can someone point me to a description of exactly what these guys are doing?

We're working out the best way of fixing this situation.

*cough* Stephanie Ravens *cough*		2010-06-22 15:48:00

Author:
talbot-trembler
Posts: 1114

Right can someone point me to a description of exactly what these guys are doing?

We're working out the best way of fixing this situation.

They copy levels, changes it's name, and claims it is their own level. They keep on republishing to stay on the cool pages. When 7 days have passed, they just get a new level up (actually tons of levels..) and do the same thing.		2010-06-22 15:51:00

Author:
Mugsig
Posts: 85

Spamming.

The simplest solution that comes to mind is to limit the amount of levels someone can have on the cool pages to 1. That would be 1 level or 1 folder, this would add a lot more variety, at least if one of the spammers has a lot of levels they will be in a folder and only take up one slot of the main page. They could still upload this folder once every week though so how do you work around that? I think the new system will fix all these things anyway so I'm not worried.

Maybe even simpler and the best solution I think is to simply allow us to block a user from our cool page feed. Then spammers go bye bye! For me at least Then the people who enjoy these levels, because with thousands of creator and level hearts someone must like it. They can still enjoy them while we are oblivious!		2010-06-22 16:05:00

Author:
OneEyedBanshee
Posts: 1370

The problem is they're bairly doing anything. They don't even republish them that often.

People have double standards, which may be fair in this case, but the reason teh cool pages are unfair is the republishing glitch. No-one new can get a decent amount of plays any more, because some-one else will always have the advantage of republishing their level over and over again.

I dont' know why Stephanie_ravens and x3power are so succesful. For a start they already had tons of hearts. On top of that, by copying other levels they can bring out new ones all the time, so can always be on the cool pages.		2010-06-22 16:06:00

Author:
chimpskylark
Posts: 335

Cool - that's what we thought really, just wanted to check if there was a certain route to doing it, and any exact timings and things.

we're on the case now, the molecule is fired up and ready to strike.

2010-06-22 16:15:00

Author:
Spaff_Molecule
Posts: 421

the molecule is fired up and ready to strike.



Go get em Tiger!
http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/dennert/archives/Zapp-Ray-Gun.jpg		2010-06-22 16:18:00

Author:
wexfordian
Posts: 1904

the molecule is fired up and ready to strike

And to think they spend millions of euros on the LHC.		2010-06-22 16:18:00

Author:
Syroc
Posts: 3193

we're on the case now, the molecule is fired up and ready to strike.



Your the best gaming company ever!
2010-06-22 16:23:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

Hey all - yeah this is a problem, and it's a tough one to find a solution to that we can quickly do something about, we're just trying to choose the right path, but mainly 150% of our time is going into lbp2 right now.

I've got my eyes on what's going on, and will be doing whatever I can to make it better - luckily when lbp2 hits, the problem will go away.

We're very sorry about the disruption at the moment, luckily most of you use other means to find levels anyways, but yeah, apologies!

if a lot of grief reports come in via the good grief system, naming names, it might help, you never know


It would seem MM see the justifcation for the good griefing proactive movement suggested in this thread...

https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=28309-A-Call-to-Arms!		2010-06-22 16:27:00

Author:
SenorZorro
Posts: 8

Cool, I don't know what those people will think if the levels will disappear, the people that actually like the Cool Pages?2010-06-22 17:55:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

Cool, I don't know what those people will think if the levels will disappear, the people that actually like the Cool Pages?

They need to get used to the change like we did when cool pages went bananas.		2010-06-22 18:24:00

Author:
Alec
Posts: 3871

The best way to fix this problem is to remove cool pages entirely right now, and maybe have Mm work with Community sites to get proper cool levels up.2010-06-22 19:26:00

Author:
Fishrock123
Posts: 1578

Go Molecule! Best game developer ever.
Also, make sure you berate those bad spammers and give em' a caning!		2010-06-22 19:27:00

Author:
Richasackboy
Posts: 619

Banning them will not help. They will just change IP address and make a new psn. Limit one level on cool pages per week per creator would work.2010-06-23 04:02:00

Author:
fijski8
Posts: 159

Go get em Tiger!
http://blogs.venturacountystar.com/dennert/archives/Zapp-Ray-Gun.jpg
I lmao'ed when I read this <3

And, Hurray!
Every comment Spaff posted made my respect for Mm jump 1,000,000 times!		2010-06-23 06:00:00

Author:
SupaSack34
Posts: 180

Cool - that's what we thought really, just wanted to check if there was a certain route to doing it, and any exact timings and things.

we're on the case now, the molecule is fired up and ready to strike.



I haven't seen anything that says what they really do, (and you probably won't see this), but, after you publish a level, you can go back into create mode, change the tiniest thing, and republish it to get it back on page one. Keep doing that and it'll eventually stick up on the pages. It works because I've done it before.		2010-06-23 08:56:00

Author:
GreatWhite000
Posts: 673

If there's something strange in the neighborhood, who you gonna call? Molecule!!!

Yeah indeed just what the rest of the people say they keep republishing :I all day long about ever minute 0_o
I dont use the "cool"-level page anymore. I just look for a cool creator and then look for which levels they hearted 		2010-06-23 09:20:00

Author:
Smelling-Cowboy
Posts: 668

At the moment, there are 22 levels on page 1 of the cool pages.

Fifteen of these levels are by the same two people...		2010-06-23 14:24:00

Author:
Rhys125
Posts: 841

I had a quick look the other night and I noticed there actually a few other people doing it now. Two other people had about 6/7 "levels" each on the first few pages. Looks like the idea is catching on....2010-06-23 14:33:00

Author:
wexfordian
Posts: 1904

I had a quick look the other night and I noticed there actually a few other people doing it now. Two other people had about 6/7 "levels" each on the first few pages. Looks like the idea is catching on....

What do they get out of it though? :/ Just the false illusion that they're good creators?		2010-06-23 16:01:00

Author:
Unknown User

I had a quick look the other night and I noticed there actually a few other people doing it now. Two other people had about 6/7 "levels" each on the first few pages. Looks like the idea is catching on....

I looked this morning and I'm not sure who you are talking about. I only see Stephanie_Ravens and x3-power.		2010-06-23 16:02:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

Maybe some other creators are going to try and push them off of the cool pages 1-2 and then stop after their gone2010-06-23 16:34:00

Author:
Fenderjt
Posts: 1969

It's actually quite funny when you think about it. Two creators "faux" spend this much time craving, a basic human need, attention. They blatantly don't care that they're hurting the system, in fact, they take pride in it. Last night, there copied levels, including my own level, dominated pages one and two. I thought "this is really hurting the community". And this is why. A friend who used to be affiliated with them via lbp said that they enjoy attention, whether good or bad. They don't care how they get it, as long as they get it.

Gosh, we all know that, but it explains why they spammed the story levels with uploaded pics, it explains why the would used to publish levels with a cutout of a costume piece, and said they worked for Mm.

Unfortunately, even if we "ban" these two trolls, more would take their place. Remember dawid14, jeriko or clay_20_november? The system simply isn't working. But luckily for us, when LBP2 comes out, these people will be all but forgoten, because of the new promotion system. They day LBP1 becomes obselete is the day they realize they wasted all of this time trying to **** over the system, instead of learning to be better creators. Granted, there will still be trolls, but not at the same scale. In the meanwhile, I'm going to eat some blueberry crumble.		2010-06-23 17:01:00

Author:
bonner123
Posts: 1487

Well said bonner123! I whole heartedly - excuse the pun - agree!



And, Hurray!
Every comment Spaff posted made my respect for Mm jump 1,000,000 times!

Haha, every comment Spaff posted makes his LBPC respect jump up about that much too!

I remember when Spaff only had two bars >.<		2010-06-23 17:06:00

Author:
Weretigr
Posts: 2105

Look, I know I may be hated for this stance but I have reasons for it which I will tell you.
That being said, lay off of x3power. Yes, he republishes other peoples levels, but :
1. THEY ARE COOL LEVELS.
2. HE GIVES CREDIT TO THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR AND TELLS YOU TO PLAY THEIRS.
Thank you and good night.
(no, i'm not x3power)		2010-06-23 17:26:00

Author:
Super_Dork_42
Posts: 1874

But Super_Dork, that doesn't make it right.2010-06-23 17:29:00

Author:
bonner123
Posts: 1487

In fairness he does give credit to the original creator.
But the same cannot be said for Stephanie_Ravens.		2010-06-23 17:32:00

Author:
Darkcloudrepeat
Posts: 606

Unfortunately, even if we "ban" these two trolls, more would take their place. Remember dawesbr, jeriko or clay_20_november?
Wait, what? I don't remember dawes being a cool pages spammer.

And while x3 gives credit, Stephanie does not. At the end of "The Fort", there's a sign that says "PLEASE HEART ME FOR ALL OF MY HARD WORK."		2010-06-23 17:39:00

Author:
Arkei
Posts: 1432

Yeah, I am usually okay with x3 because she/he does give credit to the original creators, and the levels aren't too annoying, but they're not necessarily fun. My sister and little cousin love playing them, so at least x3 has some sort of "audience" or whatever. I think everybody dislikes Stephanie Ravens. If not, they are... IDK lol

@Smelling-Cowboy: Nope! It doesn't take all day, only about an hour or two depending how fast you are. 		2010-06-23 17:41:00

Author:
GreatWhite000
Posts: 673

My mistake, not dawesbr, whats his name again?2010-06-23 17:47:00

Author:
bonner123
Posts: 1487

Just stop levels going back to the front of cool pages when they're republished. Republish spamming is how people flood the cool pages(then eventually the busiest levels page)2010-06-23 18:02:00

Author:
Unknown User

It's really great to know that Media Molecule actually responds to problems like these you don't see this kind of customer service with Activision 2010-06-23 18:08:00

Author:
Kody59527
Posts: 121

Just stop levels going back to the front of cool pages when they're republished. Republish spamming is how people flood the cool pages(then eventually the busiest levels page)

They are not even republishing. They simply put keys in the levels that are on page 1 and 2 cool, and NEVER need to republish.

Limit cool pages to 1 level per week and these idoits will then be forced to republish, and I highly doubt they will do that for a stupid copied level.		2010-06-23 19:31:00

Author:
fijski8
Posts: 159

They are not even republishing. They simply put keys in the levels that are on page 1 and 2 cool, and NEVER need to republish.

Yup, but they had to use the republishing technique before they could do that. 		2010-06-23 23:43:00

Author:
GreatWhite000
Posts: 673

Here's hoping the new cool pages will work, but fixing old problems might unfortunately lead to worse new problems which I bet has been said already in this thread.

Now, time for some tea and biscuits!

No not you, they're all mine.		2010-06-24 00:23:00

Author:
AgentBanana
Posts: 511

But Super_Dork, that doesn't make it right.

I thought you said you didn't mind much?		2010-06-24 01:46:00

Author:
AbstractFlesh
Posts: 837

No, I said I don't care, I do mind.2010-06-24 03:43:00

Author:
bonner123
Posts: 1487

what exactly is the difference between minding and caring2010-06-24 06:26:00

Author:
Super_Dork_42
Posts: 1874

Look, I know I may be hated for this stance but I have reasons for it which I will tell you.
That being said, lay off of x3power. Yes, he republishes other peoples levels, but :
1. THEY ARE COOL LEVELS.
2. HE GIVES CREDIT TO THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR AND TELLS YOU TO PLAY THEIRS.
Thank you and good night.
(no, i'm not x3power)

Oh god, get your face out of his behind lol. He knows full well the community are hacked off with it, yet he's doing it anyway to be an ****, same as the rest of them. Each one of their duplicate levels is preventing a real creator from having their moment on the cool pages, how is that fair?

Nice name btw..		2010-06-24 09:47:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

kaskaroto is another one to add to this "hitlist", so to speak 2010-06-24 10:08:00

Author:
agrx
Posts: 192

kaskaroto is another one to add to this "hitlist", so to speak

He's still spamming? I got on earlier and all I saw was X3-Power and Stephanie Ravens.		2010-06-24 10:14:00

Author:
GreatWhite000
Posts: 673

Hey, I'm pretty new here and kind of new to LBP so I didn't know about this glitch when I saw it so my view of the issue, as an uniformed outsider, was this:
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I went to cool pages one day and played a few levels and was like, "Why are these here?" Then looked and noticed the authors were all the same very few people and I was like, "Wow, how did they get so well-liked? These weren't very good at all."

Then I wondered where all the 'great' community content was if these were what was on the Cool pages. Luckily for me I had friends who were like "try these levels, they're fun!" otherwise I would have probably given up looking for ACTUAL cool levels which could easily have led to me not playing this game again and maybe getting no DLC at all since I don't play it.
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Basically, this hurts the community, people actually wanting to try out neat levels since it's glitched, and MM's pocket so it's nice to see MM in here willing to fix it or at least look into it.

I do feel the best steps to take are these: 1) Ban/Temp Ban these 2 spammers/griefers; 2) Make it so you cannot have more than 1 level of your own in Cool Levels; 3) Keys and republishing have ZERO effect on Cool Level placement; and 4) Cool Levels should be based off of Heartslays in the last week.		2010-06-24 16:14:00

Author:
RSQViper
Posts: 302

I'm still confused about how everyone seems to expect the cool pages to become better once this current issue is dealt with. Surely it'll go back to being what it used to be? You know, when it wasn't just a small number of people filling the pages with terrible levels, it was a large number of different people filling the pages with terrible levels. I take it no one can actually remember back a couple of months though, as you all seem to expect the cool pages to be filled with glorious and wonderful creations, like it was in the "good old days"? 2010-06-24 16:22:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

I thought x3 power was a girl? I had her on my list aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaages ago but deleted her lol this was before she come back to destroy the cool pages!

If the current ruiners go, there'll be more to come. Its always the way. Some over bored careless person will take their place. As soon as they go we can all enjoy the great SHARK, POO, BOMB, SLIP N SLIDE, FLOATING LUMPS levels...how exciting!!!!!....NOT!		2010-06-24 16:32:00

Author:
Fenderjt
Posts: 1969

If the current ruiners go, there'll be more to come. Its always the way. [/COLOR]

Agreed. We need to make an example of them!

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I'm still confused about how everyone seems to expect the cool pages to become better once this current issue is dealt with. Surely it'll go back to being what it used to be? You know, when it wasn't just a small number of people filling the pages with terrible levels, it was a large number of different people filling the pages with terrible levels. I take it no one can actually remember back a couple of months though, as you all seem to expect the cool pages to be filled with glorious and wonderful creations, like it was in the "good old days"?

I think people just want the opportunity to be able to get their own stuff on page one again. As pants as the cool pages can be, they're still a sure fire way of getting your level played. I dread to think how much republishing people would need to do to compete with these guys.		2010-06-24 16:45:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

I'm still confused about how everyone seems to expect the cool pages to become better once this current issue is dealt with. Surely it'll go back to being what it used to be? You know, when it wasn't just a small number of people filling the pages with terrible levels, it was a large number of different people filling the pages with terrible levels. I take it no one can actually remember back a couple of months though, as you all seem to expect the cool pages to be filled with glorious and wonderful creations, like it was in the "good old days"?


I think people just want the opportunity to be able to get their own stuff on page one again. As pants as the cool pages can be, they're still a sure fire way of getting your level played. I dread to think how much republishing people would need to do to compete with these guys.

Exactly, it used to be possible for a good level to get on the cool pages, now it pretty much isn't. 		2010-06-25 15:33:00

Author:
SackRacer77
Posts: 153

One thing that wasn't mentioned that I feel is kinda of important for Mm to know...Ravens doesn't even republish, maybe only once or twice. They just link the keys in some levels to other new levels. One level got 1,000 plays overnight, and then 2,000 later that day. I only saw that it was republished once.2010-06-29 03:44:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

i hope they fix the cool page in the way that there not all bomb survivals/shark survivals.2010-07-02 03:19:00

Author:
ktmbillyjr
Posts: 177

i hope they fix the cool page in the way that there not all bomb survivals/shark survivals.

Don't we all...

Oh, don't we all...		2010-07-03 16:57:00

Author:
talbot-trembler
Posts: 1114

The cool page used to be..erm..cool! But seriously,just ban these guys (my opinion) , I honestly dont think it will happen again after they're gone. If it does, I doubt it will be of this scale of badness!2010-07-04 16:11:00

Author:
Unknown User

I'd rather play Ramp(and not Raven's copied fake ramp, the original!) than a Raven's level!

IDC if they fix it now, I mean isn't a little late for that. As long as LBP2 has a better system in place like Jack said everything should be fine.		2010-07-04 19:38:00

Author:
tanrockstan34
Posts: 1076

MM shows their worth yet again by listening and caring to their players.Good job MM! I wont mention any names "COUGH" S._Ravens "COUGH" but these spammers are really annoying, Sony should ban them 2010-07-07 00:59:00

Author:
jeperty
Posts: 486

Um, this is going to be my first post on this forum and now I'm thinking I probably should've gone to introductions first but I like the idea of a baptism of fire. ^^

I was drawn onto this site in a search for info on these nefarious villians who plague LBP currently, having read into it a bit more I've made up my own mind about this whole messy situation. To summarise...

1. LBP2 should NOT have trophies of any variety. Hey presto, no more heart for heart nonsense and no more holding hearts as the most prized of possesions. The thing that bugged me the most about LBP was the trophy hounds sniffing around it and the whole pollicy of "Heart me and I'll heart you back". To me trophies almost devalued LBP, almost.
2. The proposed LBP.me system and the death of the cool pages is probably the best course of action to deal with the cretins SR and 3X, we'll just have to be patient until it's ready and put up with the griefers...
Which brings me onto...
3. Kids. Yup love 'em or hate 'em there are a lot of kids out there that play LBP and all of this sort of stuff is way above their heads, they just want to run and frollick in the fields of LBP. I say leashes, cages and bread'n'water for the lot of 'em but that's why I'll never be in power of anything. ><
They probably don't realise a level is a plagerised or maybe don't even care, and I'm pretty sure THEY are the majority on LBP.

When it comes to hearts and plays and general fun times on LBP I never was too bothered about setting the world on fire. But if just a few people played, and more importantly enjoyed, my levels then great. I met some really great people who were on a wave length for the go and still keep in touch with them, including the awesome MrsSpookyBuz and Tanuki75.
So I pay no mind to the copied levels, I still look at the cool pages but i browse with a little caution and try to not let a few people ruin the whole thing for me.

Oh, hello by the way ^^		2010-07-21 04:24:00

Author:
SenGoku-Shunsuke
Posts: 14

@Songoku
First off, welcome to the site dude!
Nothing bad with starting in a forum with a good old rant.
Now onto the busines to actually replying to yer post.

1- Trophies are one of the resons many games sell, are rather enjoyed by many, and give some more re-playabiltity to certain gaims, in short they're profit, and placed in most games these days, so they'll be there, maybe getting rid of a "hearts" trophy and such may help (keeping the "for building such and such, finishing a level/ story, and collecting all, playing with others, etc" and all those other non-online competitive trophies should not really affect others that much)
2-Yes, I agree with that.
3- Don't assume It's all little kid's fault, many make that mistake, and its insulting to some, or most of them, believe me, i've seen brilliant well manered kids playing LBP while other "h4h-ing, level copying, slap fester-ing, bad mannered" teens and adults out there, saying "Its the kids" its starting to seem more like a scapegoat to everything wrong in LBP lately...
Besides, new people to the community are most likely to be fans of S.Ravens and those guys, they haven't joined a community, they haven't been on for long, so they know nothing about the copying and the misdeeds that happen behind the scene, they're not informed of whats "going on" since they don't know anyone or have a source of info yet, they just see the "popular" levels and play them, so i wouldn't assume too much like that, you may get some people angry m8.
I mean, I myself gave hearts and 5-stars to a "Distress in Ocean" copy, and it wasn't until way later that i realized he/ she wasn't the original author...		2010-07-21 04:56:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

@Silverleon: I do declare sir, you have me rather wrong there.

1. This is simply my opinion I have put up, it is my opinion that all the games I played on my NES and SNES and Amstrad and just about all the other computers I've owned never needed such a shallow reward system as trophies. Do they really validate the time spent on computer games? My opinion, no. And since when did money and profit become all that great?

2. Okay, no problems here.

3. I never assume anything because we all hate it when someone has to say the horrible little analogy about assumption.
I'm not saying the kids are malignant and intentionally bad mannered, that's just the way they are " they just want to run and frolic in the fields of LBP" as I do believe I said.

I never accused them of bad behaviour, thank you very much for putting words into my mouth.

And as for my remarks regarding the little blighters, that's just my form of endearment towards them.

And again with the assumption!!!!!

Great I'm here 5 seconds and already trouble has found me.		2010-07-21 05:17:00

Author:
SenGoku-Shunsuke
Posts: 14

@Shunsuke
1) Welcome!
2) You came here because of "those villains"? Wow, maybe they're not useless after all! 		2010-07-21 05:18:00

Author:
CyberSora
Posts: 5551

@Shunsuke
You posted an opinion. What'd you expect a nice little I'm COMPLETELY on your side?		2010-07-21 05:28:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

@Shunsuke
You posted an opinion. What'd you expect a nice little I'm COMPLETELY on your side?

No, but I did not expect to have it challenged with such gusto either. And now with your sentiment I'm really regretting opening my yap at all.		2010-07-21 05:38:00

Author:
SenGoku-Shunsuke
Posts: 14

@songoku

Oh no no, not at all, didn't post that for any trouble or anything dude, your opinion, i respect that, i'm just setting my opinion on the matters you're talking about, and it seems you misundeerstood me some ypoursef, in (1-) i didn't mean profit for the player, but profit for the company, the trophies makes game sell, so its money for them, so they'll add them as its profit for them.

On the 3rd point tho, you did seem to direct the fault to kids, but like i said, i'm merele expressing my opinion on the issues you were reffering, not the opinions themselves, so no worries m8, i'm not here to to get fights or anything. 		2010-07-21 05:38:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707

No I understood what you meant about 1, I know you meant the companies. I just fail to see how throwing more money at something like computer games makes them better. It's never worked for films or music. (Michal Bay and Paris Hilton are good examples of this respectively)
Games sold just fine without them.

As I said about point 3, I find no intention or malice in the youth of today. But given the general innocence/na?vet? of children they are more likely to be playing without cause or care and this certainly doesn't help our cause in snuffing out StephRaven and her copy-pasted clone army ^^

I wasn't here for a fight either friend so lets agree to disagree or whatever.

Though can we agree that copy-pasting is bad?


Ah, on another note, are Mm aware that there is the possibility of some foul play regarding the whole SR fiasco. Apparently she has copied Poms' levels "The Bunker" and "The Bunker 2" when they aren't even available to copy? Does this mean the possibility of a hack?

Also also this is allegedly Stephanie Ravens Youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/guiltyhalo
Though I wouldn't bother wasting your time with abusing her. She does seem to thrive on any sort of attention.		2010-07-21 05:51:00

Author:
SenGoku-Shunsuke
Posts: 14

Also also this is allegedly Stephanie Ravens Youtube channel http://www.youtube.com/user/guiltyhalo
Though I wouldn't bother wasting your time with abusing her. She does seem to thrive on any sort of attention.

Welcome, Sengoku!

Stephanie_Ravens is also on this site, but she's come out and said that they're both going to stop the spamming, which they have.		2010-07-21 12:59:00

Author:
Rhys125
Posts: 841

Welcome, Sengoku!

Stephanie_Ravens is also on this site, but she's come out and said that they're both going to stop the spamming, which they have.

Wow - that must have been recent (cause last week, they were all still spammed all over the place) - I'd love if that were true. Guess we can hope.		2010-07-21 13:18:00

Author:
CYMBOL
Posts: 1230

The fact I hate the most about the spammers is the amount of praise they get from the "nooby crowd".

"dis is awesome u shud work at mm"

While there is levels that people have worked hard on.		2010-07-21 19:08:00

Author:
talbot-trembler
Posts: 1114

Actually, I went on the cool pages earlier and I could only see one Raven level on page 2. If she has stopped, thank you. But the cool pages are still covered in spam. Bomb survivals, shark survivals, R1 races etc.
Ignore them! Use R1 to look past them! Make the cool pages cool again! Spread the word!		2010-07-21 19:14:00

Author:
Jedi_1993
Posts: 1518

What exactly do you guys consider kids? I'm 13 and sure, I like a good bomb survival every now and then.. But I, like most people here, try to steer clear of the cool pages...2010-07-21 19:15:00

Author:
Super_Clone
Posts: 849

Well clone, you may be 13 but going on the way you've put your point accross there I wouldn't want to refer to you as a kid, not in the terms I refer the other crowd at least. I'm probably generalising a little too much when I say Kids.
But it could be a range of ages 5 to 15, a little bit wild and untamed, total lack of respect for authority figures (this one, not so bad) and a lack of care or consideration for other players (though again I stress that I put this down to the na?vet? of the little scamps, no malice!)

And hey, everyone likes a good bomb survival once in a while. It's just the bad ones no one seems to like ^^		2010-07-22 01:26:00

Author:
SenGoku-Shunsuke
Posts: 14

This thread is actually funny between SenGoku-Shunsuke and silver leon but actually im finding some good levels now.2010-07-24 08:22:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

Me, I think the issue lies in the presentation of keys - after a level is finished, the linked levels that you unlocked using keys pop up. The problem here is that this totally obscures other non-linked levels from getting any attention. Yes, it's easy to back out of the linked levels section, but a younger or more unknowledgable player might not know to do that.

My idea is not to immediately display linked levels after you unlock them - you can only see them using that "find linked levels" button thingy they implemented a while ago.		2010-07-24 09:28:00

Author:
SLS10
Posts: 1129

Then what about the linked levels?2010-07-24 09:35:00

Author:
koltonaugust
Posts: 1382

SLS10 has the problem I think.
Younger players finish a level with lots of keys in.
They exit, rate etc.
Then they see all of the linked levels. Believing them to be the cool pages, play those instead thinking they must be good if they are on the cool pages.
Eventually enough people do this that those levels are indeed on the cool pages.

Proof that I know this works?
My iceberg survival got onto the cool pages.
On the last day I published my Volcano survival with a key to it in the iceberg one.
This instantly put the volcano one onto the cool pages.
Fortunately for everyone I like Spiderman and also believe that, 'With great power comes great responsibility'. And I stopped there. I didn't want to take a slot on the cool pages from someone with a deserving level. Besides, my ones weren't great anyway.

So, my point is this: People mistake 'keyed' levels for being on the cool pages.		2010-07-24 09:59:00

Author:
Jedi_1993
Posts: 1518

I've totally got over this subject.

Know why?

Cause there's good levels on the cool pages now that Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum aren't spamming! 		2010-07-24 18:30:00

Author:
talbot-trembler
Posts: 1114

They're still full of spam though 2010-07-24 19:39:00

Author:
Jedi_1993
Posts: 1518

They're still full of spam though

yeah but even so these 2 are gone more will just replace them as jedi said they're still full of spam and will be spammed until lbp2 comes out.

remember before they spammed the pages it wasnt any better then why would it be better now???

its still gong to be spammed just not them 2 doing it and besides they could just start 2 new accounts and nobody would even know its them spamming AGAIN........................		2010-07-24 20:08:00

Author:
buddy_hamster123
Posts: 376

One man's spam, is another man's best level EVER!!!1111!!

We're not all going to enjoy the same things.

At least creators are no longer getting their work stolen and everyone has a fair shot at the cool pages now. 		2010-07-24 22:01:00

Author:
Kiminski
Posts: 545

I don't even use the cool pages anymore due to all the spamming. I just find competent creators and look up their hearted levels and creators, then those creators' hearted levels and creators, and so on.2010-07-24 23:48:00

Author:
Stoicrow
Posts: 276

That sounds like a sensible course of action Jake, competent and kind authors link and network and thus you may be able to get past all the crud fairly easily.
LITTLE BIG PLANET AUTHOURS UNITE TO FORM DEVASTATOR!!! PREPARE FOR EXTERMINATION!!!		2010-07-26 12:43:00

Author:
SenGoku-Shunsuke
Posts: 14


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