Archive: 7 posts

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Not at once. But if when you made a On/Off or Direction switch you could change another option in your popit to split the wires. So you end up with a On wire, and an Off wire, or Left, Right. Separated by colour of course. It would be an easier option to the logic we make now, even though we have uber cool microchips in 2. It would work that you put an ON wire from a button to a motor bolt and that switch would turn the motor bolt permanently* on. The OFF switch from another button or sensor switch etc; would permanently* turn the bolt off. Any takers? *Until the other switch is activated. Or, have permanence an option.

2010-05-19 07:32:00 Author: Snappyguy Posts: 710

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Eh? That's more confusing thatn the logic, so i'll stick with logic.

2010-05-19 08:19:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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Like a toggle switch, basically. Check out the One-Shot Toggle Switch (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=18579-Intermediate-Pack-Overview)

2010-05-19 08:23:00 Author: KablooieKablam Posts: 364

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Then why not just make a toggle switch yourself? Its not that difficult, a guide is even available on the link of the above post...

2010-05-19 08:47:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707

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It could be replaced with element to make it simple :>

2010-05-20 00:36:00 Author: Shadowriver Posts: 3991

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Well, it would grind off that 3 pixel Thermo increasement with that.

2010-05-20 05:30:00 Author: Unknown User

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Like a toggle switch, basically. Not really, what he is asking for is multiple signal types on each mag switch etc. Typically the solution is just to place down extra mag switches / grab switches, or in the case of levers / buttons, something similar to the "switcher" from the Logic Pack (oh how the name switcher brings back memories!). As we move forward into the realms of microchip logic, "adding extra magnetic switches" becomes a redundant concept, in fact you would either need to duplicate the output stage (i.e. have multiple AND gates), or implement an additional conversion / inversion stages after the switch. Not a massive deal, but a right pain in the butt. Simply being able to tweak the output type on a per-wire basis would work as well (i.e. determine what output type it is at destination, rather than at source). Combine this with the possibility that we won't be able to invert signals at the destination logic (i.e. setting connectors to backwards to imply a NOT), and you start to find that the simplified logic mechanics may well actually mean that our logic networks are going to become more complex. Allowing output type and inversion to be specified at destination would drastically reduce the amount of logic required for system design. It would certainly be a useful feature. I don't see it happening though, sadly. It would certainly be a candidate for the Advanced creator view if such a thing ever existed (which it won't). Might be of interest, from Waste Not, Want Not, Part 1 (http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/entry.php?866-Waste-Not-Want-Not-Part-1) 6. Using Multiple Outputs So sometimes your switches are going to need to output more than one signal and sometimes these signals will be of different types (by types I mean directional, on/off, etc). You might be using some kind of "converter" device to create these multiple signals, but I doubt it. Typically this will involve using two magnetic keys instead of one, as shown below: http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt82/rtm223/APhoto_2-5.jpg If you are using converters, then you should probably ditch them. They are really useful for outputting multiple signals from levers and buttons, but not within your logic networks. However, beyond the multiple magnetic switches, there isn't much you can do to reduce thermo if you need multiple signal types. However, a while back I found out that, in some cases, I thought I needed multiple signal types when in fact I didn't. As it turns out, the following devices will (counter-intuitively) take directional inputs, as well as the more obvious on/off and/or one-shot signals: Music Objects Sound Objects Magic Mouths GLTs Rockets I never, ever thought to try it, so I didn't know. I figured there might be a couple of you out there that are in the same position. I use a lot of sounds, magic mouths and cameras controlled by logic systems and this knowledge actually saves me a fair number of magnetic switches. Note that these objects will always treat outwards direction as on. Unlike the connectors, you cannot do inversion at the destination (i.e. using backwards setting on connectors). Just something to bear in mind.

2010-05-20 10:13:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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