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------==Disclaimer==------ I WILL be ranting like crazy, so i may get a bit out of hand.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- So, i was at the library checking out the games section of the teen area. I walked up and heard these two kids, about 9-10 years old talking about Halo: Reach. Like the gamer i am i decided to cut in and say "That game ruins the halo series for me... i miss Shoot-em-ups like duke nukem" This was the response i got "Duke what? Is that like Call of duty?" My body got red hot with firey anger.... i then started to explain what the game was and when it was made. They just laughed and told me those games were probably really low graphic games, and i went off! I told them that they needed to go out and buy a nintendo 64 and play REAL games before making fun of them. The only game they knew out of all the greats was the legend of zelda... and the youngest one said the dumbest thing i have EVER heard!!! "Zelda was the only character out of that game i liked, he had the coolest sword ever" "AAAARRRGHHHH!!!!! HIS NAME IS LINK!!!! YOU STUPID LITTLE KIDS!" I am now not allowed to go to the library anymore.... ------------------- Rant time! ------------------- I feel that most gamers have lost touch with their gaming roots... i remember having a blast with friends playing pokemon Red and Blue back when i was a kid. now look at all these horrible crap pokemon games... i mean COME ON PEOPLE! 492 Pokemon?! Most of them look like mutated Digimon! They ruined all of my favorite games from my childhood and covered them with crap... i mean look at some of the remakes of old games... Conker's bad furday? RUINED! Legend of zelda? DESTROYED! Pokemon? NUKED! Resident evil? ARRGHHH!!! WHY?! It's all been ruined for me... there are very few games that have been great, and most of them are in the 80's and 90's! And i believe that we need to teach our smaller gaming brethren what it was like back in the good old days! Hand them a gameboy color and a copy of Pokemon silver and buy them a PsOne, MAKE THEM FEEL WHAT ITS LIKE TO PLAY WITHOUT A JOYSTICK! With that said, i think even the gamers born in the 90's drift apart from the games they once loved... i think that's wrong! Please, if you still have one, go play your old consoles, play them untill you cry from nostolgic glee! ------------------------- ---------------- ---------- ------ --- - JB

2010-05-18 09:07:00 Author: Joshofsouls Posts: 1569

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2010-05-18 09:19:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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>:I I'm not sure how to take that... as an insult or a sigh of relief that you can't make a proper Waambulance... But whatever... I'm possitive that someone will agree with me...

2010-05-18 09:26:00 Author: Joshofsouls Posts: 1569

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I feel that most gamers have lost touch with their gaming roots... Ummm, no. Because those games aren't their roots, they are your roots. Why on earth should someone else be in touch with your roots?? Seriously. There is no point in trying to introduce young people to older games, as they genuinely are dated. Even going back as far as my PS1 games, the ones that I love, they are dated and actually quite naff. Doom looks awful and the interface is clumsy as hell (not that modern console FPS is much better), Blood Omen and Soul Reaver, are the same. Resident Evil, one of the clunkiest control systems ever, and the graphics are none too pretty either..... the list goes on. I still love these games, along with many others from that period and the 10 years before, but honestly, half the appeal is nostalgia. If I hadn't of played those games I wouldn't think much of them after playing the great games from today. And honestly, do you really think you would love most of the games from 15-20 years ago and, if you grew up with PS3s and XBOX360s? You wouldn't, because the overwhelming thing you would see is how far along video games have come. The other point is that it's completely down to opinion anyway. Halo, the first one, was crap. I've never been able to see how it became so popular when it was inferior to most other FPS's out at the time. Resident Evil 4 was banging (I'm iffy on RE5, but still a lot better than 1, if I try to be objective). Do you really think that just because these kids don't agree with you then they are n00bs, or "lost touch", of course they haven't. And if you're that bothered, go lock yourself away from the world and play Pong, just to prove to everyone how much more in touch with your video game roots you really are

2010-05-18 09:53:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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but honestly, half the appeal is nostalgia. Aye, truer words ne'er were spake. Why rose-colored spectacles gotta be so comfy all the time? I mean seriously, play Resident Evil 1. Play it right now. I'll wait. I know, that was rough, but boy oh boy, the memories! At the same time, I'll back you up on one thing. The 90s saw the transition from 2D to 3D gaming (at least, mainstream gaming). It was fertile ground for rich experimentation, innovation, and revolution. No game I've ever played has really captured the mind-blowing experience of playing Ocarina of Time the weekend it came out. I knew then that I was playing the future of videogames, and to this day we've barely made much progress beyond it. That'll happen again. That rich innovative land where developers are exploring new ways to play games and inventing wondrous new experiences by the day will happen. I don't think the Wii is it, and I don't expect the Playstation Move or the Natal will be it, but maybe they're steps toward whatever "it" is going to be. Surely the LBP franchise is a part of it. Even looking back at the SNES era, which is MY golden age of games. There was a lot of "platformer fatigue". The safe way to make a game that was profitable and accessible was to do a traditional platformer. Most movie tie-ins were some sort of platformer. Run, jump, punch, collect. Sound familiar? It's the same today, only with the fps/3rd person shooter. There's an ebb and flow of innovation-tradition-stagnation-reinvention. So you may feel like games are stale compared to that period when developers were exploring new country and making games unlike any we had really played before - but there's plenty of reason to be excited about what may be around the corner today.

2010-05-18 10:13:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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The 90s saw the transition from 2D to 3D gaming (at least, mainstream gaming). It was fertile ground for rich experimentation, innovation, and revolution. Ahhh of course. But is this not still part of the nostalgia? 3D games are mostly a given nowadays, with the quality of the graphics and engines so far in advance of the games that took those first, industry-changing, footsteps. The old ones, while undeniably important, are of far less interest to those that didn't witness it, unless you are taking a purely academic interest in videogame history.

2010-05-18 10:50:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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sadly like all things we have to grow up, games have changed as more money and better technology has evolved it into what it is. gaming wasnt the same since the Dreamcast, boy that was the end of an era.

2010-05-18 11:19:00 Author: monkeymagic Posts: 71

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Ahhh of course. But is this not still part of the nostalgia? 3D games are mostly a given nowadays, with the quality of the graphics and engines so far in advance of the games that took those first, industry-changing, footsteps. The old ones, while undeniably important, are of far less interest to those that didn't witness it, unless you are taking a purely academic interest in videogame history. Well of course games age! Much moreso than other media. A kid whose first game is whatever big Zelda epic on Nintendo's next-generation system might not see much in Ocarina with its blurry textures and comparatively smaller world. He might think "Ocarina of Time" sounds like a hopelessly silly title and decides the whole thing just seems like "small fish". I wouldn't really expect more of him, nor should I assume I would be any different in his shoes (I never thought Pong seemed particularly mind-blowing while I was slaying 6-headed dragons in The Legend of Zelda). Like watching Raging Bull after having already seen Goodfellas, Casino, and every other Scorcese flick of the 80s and 90s, it demands context. But undeniably the greater achievement is the game that revolutionizes, not the game that merely improves upon its predecessors. I think this is an objective truth - this is what history is for. So I think then it's a bit more than nostalgia at work here, if you happen to be talking about a truly trailblazing game. But I think my real point is that if games seem stale and stagnant now, that might be a sign that there's something big coming our way. I think there's a lot of experimentation happening right now. The big muscly monsters are watching what the little tiny geniuses do. New genres are being invented, and there's interest in that. Whether it's about new controllers, new systems, or simply entirely new types of games (god knows there's PLENTY of untapped potential there), it's becoming a pretty interesting time to be playing games right now, whether you're pining for magical ocarinas or not.

2010-05-18 11:22:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937

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Good points Josh. I get where you're coming from at least. Although it's only to be expected that young kids nowadays only see what's right in front of them and give no thought at all to what's gone before it is still annoying. They'd do well to remember that without those old games the ones thay are playing now would not even exist. As for going back and playing the old games ourselves I do that myself, although admittedly not as often as I used to before LBP. I haven't loved a game for years like I do this one and LBP2 will be in my opinion the gateway to the future of games. Having said that I could still play 'Front Mission 3' on PS1 today and it would still be my favourite game EVER ! I've completed that game ( average game time around 40 hours each play ) over 8 times now and it never gets stale because even though there are hundreds of mech battles in it no 2 have ever been exactly the same. It also has 2 different scenarios to choose from near the start so you can play from a different perspective. Even though the graphics are nothing like the modern ones the game itself is so great it doesn't matter. It totally blows COD or any other game of that ilk out of the water for me. So yes I agree there is still a place for some of the old games today. They are just as playable as ever and not simply a nostalgia trip. I can't leave it at that without also giving a mention to the original 'Crash Bandicoot', still the absolute best of the series by a long way and 'Hogs of War' which was a hundred times better than 'worms' and extremely funny. I'll never understand why 'Hogs of War' never merited a sequel. If you've never played it you've missed out on one of the best games in history. BTW both these games were on PS1 too. So, are old games still worth playing ? Too right they are.

2010-05-18 11:51:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210

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They can't really be expected to love the nineties when they grew up in the naughties but I get your point. I myself love older games. To tell you the truth I actually don't like most of the games that are made today. Many of them are far too easy or are to focused of graphics their actually gameplay suffers. That's one of the reasons I love LBP, it's actually challenging. I quite often play older games, like Super Mario Bros, on my SNES. Personally I think Mario started going down hill ever since it went 3D. A while back my brother and I bought MGS4. I absolutely loved it but I didn't understand a lot of the story so recently my bother and I have bought the whole series and I'm working my way through them. I believe the mark of a truly great game is when they still fun no matter how old.

2010-05-18 12:09:00 Author: SR20DETDOG Posts: 2431

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>:I I'm not sure how to take that... as an insult or a sigh of relief that you can't make a proper Waambulance... But whatever... I'm possitive that someone will agree with me... The first one. The whole rant is somewhere between "Get off my lawn you darn kids" and "kids today don't know they're born" Games are just a bit of fun for most people, if they get really into gaming they may decide to explore the past of a series they like but that's their choice.

2010-05-18 13:04:00 Author: Rabid-Coot Posts: 6728

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Can't really hold it against people to not cherish something they weren't exposed to... I think there is always a "They don't make them like they used to" feeling with entertainment. Video games, movies, TV shows... everyone will always reminisce about the days of old. I play my super nintendo on a regular basis... Donkey Kong Country, Yoshi's Island, etc. have taken more hours from me than any other video game(s), they are fun as hell. I have yet to find games of later generations that I could enjoy so consistently without getting burned out. I think the only thing I miss are point and click adventure games, though maybe this evolved into the epic RPG genre. In a way I guess they have their disadvantages... including the fact that when you've completed it once you basically have no challenge to it anymore. Hmmm...

2010-05-18 13:49:00 Author: Foofles Posts: 2278

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------==Disclaimer==------ I WILL be ranting like crazy, so i may get a bit out of hand.... ----------------------------------------------------------------------- So, i was at the library checking out the games section of the teen area. I walked up and heard these two kids, about 9-10 years old talking about Halo: Reach. Like the gamer i am i decided to cut in and say "That game ruins the halo series for me... i miss Shoot-em-ups like duke nukem" This was the response i got "Duke what? Is that like Call of duty?" My body got red hot with firey anger.... i then started to explain what the game was and when it was made. They just laughed and told me those games were probably really low graphic games, and i went off! I told them that they needed to go out and buy a nintendo 64 and play REAL games before making fun of them. The only game they knew out of all the greats was the legend of zelda... and the youngest one said the dumbest thing i have EVER heard!!! "Zelda was the only character out of that game i liked, he had the coolest sword ever" "AAAARRRGHHHH!!!!! HIS NAME IS LINK!!!! YOU STUPID LITTLE KIDS!" I am now not allowed to go to the library anymore.... ------------------- Rant time! ------------------- I feel that most gamers have lost touch with their gaming roots... i remember having a blast with friends playing pokemon Red and Blue back when i was a kid. now look at all these horrible crap pokemon games... i mean COME ON PEOPLE! 492 Pokemon?! Most of them look like mutated Digimon! They ruined all of my favorite games from my childhood and covered them with crap... i mean look at some of the remakes of old games... Conker's bad furday? RUINED! Legend of zelda? DESTROYED! Pokemon? NUKED! Resident evil? ARRGHHH!!! WHY?! It's all been ruined for me... there are very few games that have been great, and most of them are in the 80's and 90's! And i believe that we need to teach our smaller gaming brethren what it was like back in the good old days! Hand them a gameboy color and a copy of Pokemon silver and buy them a PsOne, MAKE THEM FEEL WHAT ITS LIKE TO PLAY WITHOUT A JOYSTICK! With that said, i think even the gamers born in the 90's drift apart from the games they once loved... i think that's wrong! Please, if you still have one, go play your old consoles, play them untill you cry from nostolgic glee! ------------------------- ---------------- ---------- ------ --- - JB You do realise that banging on about Pokemon and N64 is making you sound just like the kiddies you're slating, to those of us that have acquired a few more years? I was bought up on an Atari 2600 and have very fond memories of Pitfall to this day, but that's not to say I'd recommend you play it - It's a shocking game! It didn't even have an end, you'd just play for 20min and it would stop. I'll love it forever though, as it was part of my childhood. The only thing that's actually ruined the old stuff is 40" TV's!

2010-05-18 14:13:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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I think the only reason classic games revisited always seem less fun is not because of backdated graphics or cumbersome controls, but because of familiarity with the game. You've done it all once before, so it lacks the spontaneity of walking into the unknown. See, I recently had a lot of fun completing Super Metroid, because I never played it the first time around and it was all new to me. The 16-bit graphics meant nothing because the experience was fresh. I'm sure though, that had I already completed Super Metroid years ago, it probably wouldn't have held my interest a second time around, much like Zelda: OOT didn't when I played it again. Anyway, I'd recommend any younger, current generation gamer to try out some of the old classic games, beacuse if you can overlook the graphical limitations then there are some great gameplay experiences to be discovered from "the olden days".

2010-05-18 19:00:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130

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Ummm, no. Because those games aren't their roots, they are your roots. Why on earth should someone else be in touch with your roots?? Seriously. There is no point in trying to introduce young people to older games, as they genuinely are dated. Even going back as far as my PS1 games, the ones that I love, they are dated and actually quite naff. Doom looks awful and the interface is clumsy as hell (not that modern console FPS is much better), Blood Omen and Soul Reaver, are the same. Resident Evil, one of the clunkiest control systems ever, and the graphics are none too pretty either..... the list goes on. I still love these games, along with many others from that period and the 10 years before, but honestly, half the appeal is nostalgia. If I hadn't of played those games I wouldn't think much of them after playing the great games from today. And honestly, do you really think you would love most of the games from 15-20 years ago and, if you grew up with PS3s and XBOX360s? You wouldn't, because the overwhelming thing you would see is how far along video games have come. The other point is that it's completely down to opinion anyway. Halo, the first one, was crap. I've never been able to see how it became so popular when it was inferior to most other FPS's out at the time. Resident Evil 4 was banging (I'm iffy on RE5, but still a lot better than 1, if I try to be objective). Do you really think that just because these kids don't agree with you then they are n00bs, or "lost touch", of course they haven't. And if you're that bothered, go lock yourself away from the world and play Pong, just to prove to everyone how much more in touch with your video game roots you really are Dude... it's not that graphics or the way it was played.... honestly, don't you remeber the fun you had playing those games? If i had the choice of going back in time to get those memories back..... and staying here and playing Lbp... i would go back...

2010-05-18 20:11:00 Author: Joshofsouls Posts: 1569

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Dude... it's not that graphics or the way it was played.... honestly, don't you remeber the fun you had playing those games? If i had the choice of going back in time to get those memories back..... and staying here and playing Lbp... i would go back... And if you were born before the 90's, this still appplies... i was a pokemon junky, i played the Gen 1 games, i watched the shows and i played Zelda... I guess what i TRYING to say is that, you shoulda drift away from the games that got you hooked on videogames.... some of you aren't like me, you don't spend almost every waking moment playing games and having fun with friends, most of you have jobs... Gaming is in my blood, it is what i was born to do, and i'm a person who truly appreciated the classics and all the happiness they brought me! So SSSOOOOORRRYYY for feeling a bit ticked off at the people who don't truly apreciate what games were....

2010-05-18 20:19:00 Author: Joshofsouls Posts: 1569

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And if you were born before the 90's, this still appplies... i was a pokemon junky, i played the Gen 1 games, i watched the shows and i played Zelda... I guess what i TRYING to say is that, you shoulda drift away from the games that got you hooked on videogames.... some of you aren't like me, you don't spend almost every waking moment playing games and having fun with friends, most of you have jobs... Gaming is in my blood, it is what i was born to do, and i'm a person who truly appreciated the classics and all the happiness they brought me! So SSSOOOOORRRYYY for feeling a bit ticked off at the people who don't truly apreciate what games were.... I don't think you really understand this. Not everyone grew up playing games, alright? Myself included, my first system was a Gamecube when I was in 7th grade. That was like what, 2005? So I 'grew up' playing Melee, Phantasy Star Online, Nightfire and Doubledash. I've played older games. Some of them have stood the test of time and are still remarkable achievements, like (IMO) Sin & Punishment, Super Metroid, A Link to the Past. Games like Ocarina of Time just can't appeal to me - I wasn't able to witness the transformation to a 3D Zelda, 3D Mario, 3D Metroid. Ocarina now feels clunky, other games do it better. Excluding Melee, my first zelda game was Windwaker, first Mario game was, god, I think it wasn't until New Super Mario Bros. came out that I got on board with that. My first metroid game was Prime. You're effectively blaming me for not being interested in videogames until I was like 13. For that, I guess I apologize? You're right, I have no appreciation for good games because I lack your haze of nostalgia. You're right, it is impossible for me to truly enjoy videogames. PS Pretty much all Zelda games have been awesome Pokemon is still just as fun the RE franchise improved on everything (well, up til 5), especially apparent in the REmakes. PPS Aren't you a little young to be acting all jaded and determining the end of a 'golden age'? lighten up, bro.

2010-05-18 20:30:00 Author: monstahr Posts: 1361

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Dude... it's not that graphics or the way it was played.... honestly, don't you remeber the fun you had playing those games? If i had the choice of going back in time to get those memories back..... and staying here and playing Lbp... i would go back... Out of curiousity, why do you need to "go back"? Why not just play those games now? Why would you even play LBP now? Why spend all that money on a PS3? You have the choice of doing exactly what you say you want to, but you specifically choose not to. I think that says everything I love digging out old games, the good ones, because I enjoy them and I do remember what a great time I had with them. I wouldn't judge someone else for not enjoying them, those kids you are looking down on are probably having as much fun with the games they play as we did when we are younger. TBH, it sounds like they are actually enjoying their gaming more than you are, if anything....

2010-05-18 20:47:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Seriously? Get over yourself and your nostalgia. You come off as sickeningly elitist. I was born in 1994. My first games were Ocarina of Time and Mario 64. However, I don't want to go back to a time where Bethesda hasn't made Oblivion or FO3, Borderlands isn't out, Mm doesn't exist, and there's no Windwaker. Also, I just got RDR. It's pretty sick.

2010-05-18 21:02:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664

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Well, I at least agree that many people need to get off of their graphical high-horse >_<. There's too much emphasis on the graphics in games these days, and it's all that a bunch of kids seem to care about. It shouldn't be that way, yes fancy graphics are nice... But, I would rush out to buy an infocom text adventure to this day... Nethack, and other roguelikes are among my most cherished games too. Why? Did they have uber fancy graphics? No, far from it. But, they have a significant amount of gameplay, atmosphere, and substance to them. But, I suppose you can't really blame them... But, it would be nice if they showed some respect for earlier games, and not just blindly say things like "oh the graphics must have sucked". Like modern shooters? Then you should at least have a bit of respect for the efforts put into Doom, Quake, Half-Life, and all the other games that came before your favorites. Should you know of every single game before it? No, of course not! But, you can't dis Quake if you're a Half-Life fan, for instance. There wouldn't be a Half-Life as you know it without Quake.

2010-05-19 06:39:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412

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What I think he means is the kids these days don't understand what awesomeness they have that came from somewhere else. They like HALO: Reach? Then they better show respect to Wolfenstien 3D and especially DOOM and ID software for inventing the entire FPS genre of games. Like advanced graphics? Then respect The original Quake (also by ID software) for inventing graphic engines that ran on rendered polygons and necessitated a graphic card industry. Enjoyed Fable and Dragon Age Origins? Then understand Fallout (the original) for making popular that open-world gameplay and choice systems. These kids probably shouldn't go back and buy these games, but I would expect a little education and respect for the original gamers. If it wasn't for DOOM, there wouldn't even be a HALO.

2010-05-19 06:58:00 Author: Iudicium_86 Posts: 167

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kids do have it made in recent time but havnt seen the awesomeness of true gaming evolution from wolvenstein, to half life and Halo, to MW2 also the hype for a game is not as special as everybody goes potty for the main game but the cult and classic ones get pushed to one side. rememebr the buzz when goldeneye or Ocerina of Time can out, oh boy those TV-AD's gave me goosebumps

2010-05-19 09:48:00 Author: monkeymagic Posts: 71

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some of you aren't like me, you don't spend almost every waking moment playing games and having fun with friends, most of you have jobs... Gaming is in my blood, it is what i was born to do, and i'm a person who truly appreciated the classics and all the happiness they brought me! So SSSOOOOORRRYYY for feeling a bit ticked off at the people who don't truly apreciate what games were.... Get a job you lazy scrote! I can't help but think that this thread has no purpose other than to tell us all how 'hardcore' you are. 'Us' being a forum half full of 30 something's who've been playing games since you were nothing more than an idea lol. Kids should only investigate the retro stuff, if they want to. They certainly shouldn't get called stupid for not knowing about games that were released years before they were born. - I don't suppose you've spent much time going through your Grandad's record collection, but it sure as hell had a huge impact on music you listen to today.

2010-05-19 10:11:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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Then they better show respect to Wolfenstien 3D and especially DOOM and ID software for inventing the entire FPS genre of games. Except that FPS predates Id Software by a decade or more. Id just took the existing dynamics, refined it, improved the grahpics and brought it to a wider audience. They built upon existing concepts that already existed, in exactly the same way as modern games do. And this is why this thread is funny, everyone is exactly the same as the kids there. Get over yourself people. As kiminski says, people should only investigate the history of computer game development if it interests them. It's not significant in our modern world to understand the entire development of the technology we use on a day to day basis. Most of us have only the slightest understanding of the tech we use for entertainment and as tools, because there is too much there to understand and we simply don't need to. And honestly, of all the things kids could be learning about, Video Game History is right down the very bottom of the list of what is important.

2010-05-19 10:57:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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'Paying respect' to an old game does not immediately make it enjoyable to play. Probably does not at all.

2010-05-19 11:54:00 Author: monstahr Posts: 1361

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I can't leave it at that without also giving a mention to the original 'Crash Bandicoot', still the absolute best of the series by a long way... BTW both these games were on PS1 too. So, are old games still worth playing ? Too right they are. I never played Crash 1, (but completed all ND sequels) so I got it from the PS3 store. The way the games saves is quite interesting. Definitely outdated. I haven't gotten very far.

2010-05-19 14:17:00 Author: midnight_heist Posts: 2513

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This is a bizarre thread. Do you often approach children in a library? Secondly, you go on about them not respecting older games when your appreciation doesn't seem to go further back than 1994. Respect Pacman ******!! Anyway, gaming's in your blood and you're hardcore. Yay you. I have some HD gaming to do on my day off from work.

2010-05-19 14:59:00 Author: Matt 82 Posts: 1096

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i admi that pokemon is getting to be big, but is has also brought amazingly awesome things with it. have you heard what gen 5 is going to be like? its practically all 3D! ... ... ...look, i know how you feel, i have played some oldies, and though they're good, i play HG&SS now... and hey, at least they gave the players GB Sounds for us Poke-Vets!

2010-05-19 15:29:00 Author: theswweet Posts: 2468

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This was the essence of epic in my day: 17190 I do not want to hear your nostalgic whining. I have had my thumbs blister and peel from an Atari controller. I have resuscitated NES cartridges from certain doom by breathing life into them (literally) with exhausting and meticulous skill. I have written games in BASIC and saved them to 5.25" floppy disks. I have spent tens, nay, hundreds of my parents hard earned dollars in exchange for countless rolls of quarters, resulting in hours of wasted and unfufilling arcade time. Pokemon? Heh! Halo? A gamer craves not these things. You... are... too young! Besides, real men play Dwarf Fortress (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/). This message was brought to you by Schm0's tired and weary gamer soul, who has somehow managed to squeeze itself out of a deep unconscious state to strike back at the rantings of a younger, although familiar, fellow gamer. Please note that this entire post is in jest and if you feel offended or slightly taken aback, get over it. I was only teasing.

2010-05-19 20:23:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239

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Gahahaha, i admit when i first saw a Nintendo 64 (Which was when i was like... Geez i don't even remember ) I thought Zelda was Link. But i see where you're coming from, i miss my classic Sonic It's kinda stupid how some people dismiss a game because of it's graphics :L

2010-05-19 20:28:00 Author: Thunderstruck Posts: 296

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besides, real men play dwarf fortress (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/). lmao. 2cat.

2010-05-19 20:37:00 Author: monstahr Posts: 1361

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No! Lies! It's all lies!! Older games suck! PS3 games are the best... Although I have to admit I really enjoyed playing MGS1.

2010-05-19 20:37:00 Author: Doopz Posts: 5592

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Oh, and I forgot to mention, Pokemon is way better than the r/b days. It's so much deeper with abilities natures, physical/special split, etc. Plus more replay value.

2010-05-19 23:13:00 Author: midnight_heist Posts: 2513

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This was the essence of epic in my day: Besides, real men play Dwarf Fortress (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/). Dwarf Fortress is pretty new . It's amazing, but new. Rogue, Nethack, Zork... Come on guys!

2010-05-20 06:21:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412

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This is a bizarre thread. Do you often approach children in a library? LMFAO! This is win comment right here XD Secondly, there not you, i HATE the call of duty series, and i still play my gameboy coulor sometimes, but whats the point of changing someones opinion to yours? Its THIERS! If they like to play Mature rated games before theyre even 10, and like to pick apart games that you like, let em do that! I do feel what you mean though, It infuriates me when some XBOX360 fanboy screams at me for playing LBP (i have some jarheads at my school like that) or even talking about the PS3 around them, but i dont scream back at them, i just tell myself "they grew up with XBOX realated systems, I grew up with playstation" and ignore them. So, again, this thread is useless, If you know everyone hates ranting threads, Why on earth did you make one?

2010-05-20 14:28:00 Author: grayspence Posts: 1990

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Dwarf Fortress is pretty new . It's amazing, but new. Rogue, Nethack, Zork... Come on guys! New? Like 6 years old, new. And it doesn't matter if it was first released in 2004. It's roots are in the days of ASCII, BBSs and 16 color displays. (Yes, young ones. Only 16 colors! And we were AMAZED with what you could do with those 16 colors!)

2010-05-20 14:42:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239

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New? Like 6 years old, new. And it doesn't matter if it was first released in 2004. It's roots are in the days of ASCII, BBSs and 16 color displays. (Yes, young ones. Only 16 colors! And we were AMAZED with what you could do with those 16 colors!) Dwarf Fortress isn't ASCII . I was under the impression that 2006 was the first release. I would love to play Dwarf Fortress, but it won't run on my operating system .

2010-05-20 14:55:00 Author: microchirp Posts: 412

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Since reminiscing about Pitfall yesterday, I stumbled upon this whilst looking for an emu. It captures the evolution of retro video games into LittleBigPlanet perfectly. http://farm1.static.flickr.com/126/391608145_5816aa9d89.jpg

2010-05-20 15:19:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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Dwarf Fortress isn't ASCII . I was under the impression that 2006 was the first release. I would love to play Dwarf Fortress, but it won't run on my operating system . Yes it is. It just provides tile support. If you've seen screenshots of the game with little graphical representations of dwarves, then the user is using a custom tileset. The vanilla game is rendered using nothing but a slightly modified version of the ASCII character set. 17211 You don't use Windows, MacOS or Linux? I'm getting off-topic. Perhaps it deserves it's own thread (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=27331-Dwarf-Fortress) in the General Gaming forum?

2010-05-20 16:44:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239

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Sorry dude, but games from the 90's do suck. It's the whole 'back in my day' crap. Rose tinted spectacles. All that ****. You can reminisce about how good everything was, but most of the time, going back to play it will be a let down. Especially for kids who are 9/10, because unlike you they have no emotional attachment to old games, so to them that's all they are - old. And by extension, crap.

2010-05-20 16:59:00 Author: Unknown User

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Sorry dude, but games from the 90's do suck. It's the whole 'back in my day' crap. Rose tinted spectacles. All that ****. You can reminisce about how good everything was, but most of the time, going back to play it will be a let down. Especially for kids who are 9/10, because unlike you they have no emotional attachment to old games, so to them that's all they are - old. And by extension, crap. They don't suck, they're just not as pretty. Look at Sonic 4 and Super Mario Bros Wii, they're a blatant nod to the originals. If the gameplay was turd they'd have come up with something new. While kids today might not be able to get past the blocky graphics on a huge TV, that's not to say they wouldn't thoroughly enjoy them on a tiny PSP screen.

2010-05-20 17:23:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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Meh. Thats capitalism for you. We're increasingly obsessed by it nowadays, and because the companies have realised that Gaming as an absolute MASSIVE market, everybody's swarming around it at the moment, Back in the 90's gaming was still frowned upon by society more, and it had a bad image. And I think due to that, you had alot more indie games. I remember my Sega days with a great feeling of nostalgia, and I loved those games, Micromachines, and Asterix. But now, because they realise how much money it can make,, and the fact that technology is the "thing" now, some companies are willing to bleed a franchise dry. BUT its not neccessarily a bad thing, because now we have alot of choice and theres competition in the games market, so the customers win. The only problem is that alot of indie game companies get muscled out of the way by huge corporations, other than that, Im fine with it.

2010-05-20 17:38:00 Author: Xenon- Posts: 35

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They don't suck, they're just not as pretty. Look at Sonic 4 and Super Mario Bros Wii, they're a blatant nod to the originals. If the gameplay was turd they'd have come up with something new. While kids today might not be able to get past the blocky graphics on a huge TV, that's not to say they wouldn't thoroughly enjoy them on a tiny PSP screen. It's not just the graphics, the controls are mostly outdated too. If you realize that graphics, controls, presentation, story, sound, pretty much everything is far outdated, there isn't much of a game to go back too. For many older games, that is. I'm not putting down all old games. A lot were remade or made as a 'nod' to the originals because they really did need that update. Retro games are the flannel shirts and skinny jeans of the videogame world.

2010-05-20 19:52:00 Author: monstahr Posts: 1361

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Sorry dude, but games from the 90's do suck. It's the whole 'back in my day' crap. Rose tinted spectacles. All that ****. You can reminisce about how good everything was, but most of the time, going back to play it will be a let down. Especially for kids who are 9/10, because unlike you they have no emotional attachment to old games, so to them that's all they are - old. And by extension, crap. I think that's a bit of a hyperbole, Ocarina of Time is still fun to this day, however, most games that weren't made by Rare or Nintendo back then do suck compared to today's standards. It's not like art, I think. Gaming was still in its infancy, it was slowly maturing. Gaming is maturing as technology does. It's inevitable that new games will be better than old ones, there are more possibilities. If I take out the nostalgia I associate with OoT, Red Dead Redemption is WAY better. The first Rockstar game this gen that reminds me why I loved Rockstar so much. OoT is still amazing, its gameplay mechanics were perfect and the world was imaginative and full of fun things to do, but Red Dead Redemption pushes it to a whole new level. There are so many distractions. I've accumulated a LOT of gameplay hours and haven't gotten anywhere in the story mode.

2010-05-20 20:07:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664

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I enjoy playing Mario on Virtual Console, but I have to say, it simply doesn't campare with the like of New Super Mario Bros Wii or LBP. However if someone laughs because a game has bad graphics, I'm the first to pull out Mario on NES as an example. I also hate how everyone (i.e, chavs in my school etc) nowadays thinks 'Good game = latest COD'. It's annoying and it means I don't have anyone to talk to about other (decent) games, like LBP.

2010-05-20 21:10:00 Author: kirbyman62 Posts: 1893

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It's not just the graphics, the controls are mostly outdated too. If you realize that graphics, controls, presentation, story, sound, pretty much everything is far outdated, there isn't much of a game to go back too. if you didn't have the distraction of a shiny new PS3 or 360, you'd soon see the appeal of the old stuff. There's plenty of game left, you just need to give them a chance. Besides, skinny jeans are back in and chiptunes rock! <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/HQWhXU-b6jM&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/HQWhXU-b6jM&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

2010-05-20 22:04:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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if you didn't have the distraction of a shiny new PS3 or 360, you'd soon see the appeal of the old stuff. There's plenty of game left, you just need to give them a chance. Besides, skinny jeans are back in and chiptunes rock! <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/HQWhXU-b6jM&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/HQWhXU-b6jM&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object> I've already posted that I have played older games. There are some ones that I guess are timeless, I still had a lot of fun with Super Metroid. Things like Ocarina of Time, however, just serve as a reminder of the jump to 3D - there really isn't anything remarkable about it now. I don't know how to better put what I'm saying. I'm not being distracted by the HD craze, I play pretty much anything. Wii's Virtual Console is a godsend for gamers late to the party - like myself. And I've been getting a lot of cheap older GCN games (I know they don't count to you, probs, but they were before my 'time&apos. Geist and Turok Evolution being the latest, neither of them particularly good in terms of gameplay but Geist is very interesting. So I'm not just speculating... I just lack any nostalgia whatsoever.

2010-05-21 00:01:00 Author: monstahr Posts: 1361

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They don't suck, they're just not as pretty. Look at Sonic 4 and Super Mario Bros Wii, they're a blatant nod to the originals. If the gameplay was turd they'd have come up with something new. While kids today might not be able to get past the blocky graphics on a huge TV, that's not to say they wouldn't thoroughly enjoy them on a tiny PSP screen. You miss my point. You are looking back at games you played when you were younger, and to you, they have personal value, and as such you can look past what are now thought of as flaws, because that's how the game is, and that's how you know and love it. I loved F1 97, i persist in saying it is the best racing game of all time. However, whenever i play it, i don't play it long. It was a good game, but it's had it's time. F1 2010 will blow it out of the water. The handling? That'll be better on 2010, because the consoles can cope with more complex stuff. The graphics will be better, and everyone, whether they admit it or not, is a sucker for a good looking game. Things in game graphically can be used to enhance it. The rain has different stages, you see a drying line on the track. An integral part of a wet race, as Button has shown a couple of times this season. Get on the right tyres at the right time, and you can beat your faster team mate (yeah i'm a Hamilton fan...). The old F1 games couldn't incorporate this, they weren't advanced enough. The new one can, which makes it better. The track modeling improves, the surface is more life-like, there will be the right bumps on the track, i can go around a lap of silverstone on F1 97 and move out the way of the bumps that i know are there from the many walks around the track i have done in the 10+ years i've been going, but there is nothing there. F1 2010 will have them, and they will affect the car, with accurately modeled weight distribution etc. The cars react like the actual cars do, unlike the older games. The AI is massively improved. Old games were good in their time, but they are better off left there. If you want to go back and play your old games then fine, but don't be shocked when someone younger, who never played the games when they were cutting edge, has no idea why you like them. To them, they are crappy, with bad controls and bad graphics. They mean nothing to them, and why should they? 'The Beatles started Rock N Roll, you should be thankful to them'. Yeah, doesn't mean i have to like them though, i think they are crap. I'll stick with what i know and what i know i like thank you. Same applies. 'Goldeneye made FPS's massive.' Great, but i don't want Goldeneye, i want BFBC2.

2010-05-21 14:28:00 Author: Unknown User

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Old games were good in their time, but they are better off left there. I suppose you can take this opinion, but I wouldn't say this is true for all games or gamers. They don't have "retro arcade" games for nothing, after all. And for the record, my dad can kick @$$ in Galaga. If you want to go back and play your old games then fine, but don't be shocked when someone younger, who never played the games when they were cutting edge, has no idea why you like them. To them, they are crappy, with bad controls and bad graphics. They mean nothing to them, and why should they?They should at least mean something, in the fact that they paved the way for the incredible interactive experiences we call games today. In fact, some of the earliest pioneers of gaming have inspired other designers to improve on their creations. Follow the chain of evolution long enough, and you arrive at the present day. You can't have a full appreciation for something without understanding it's history, at least on some basic level. Sure, you can enjoy it, but you'd just be taking things at face value. All nostalgia aside, this doesn't mean that they have to go back and play Atari and somehow be "forced" to like it. But they should at least appreciate them for what they are: a snapshot in time. 'The Beatles started Rock N Roll, you should be thankful to them'. Yeah, doesn't mean i have to like them though, i think they are crap. I'll stick with what i know and what i know i like thank you. The Beatles didn't start Rock'n'roll, they made it unprecedentedly popular. And I shudder to think that you don't like a single Beatles song. You, young sir, need a music appreciation class. /offtopic Same applies. <s>Goldeneye</s> Wolfenstein, Doom and Quake made FPS's massive.' Great, but i don't want <s>Goldeneye</s> those, i want BFBC2.Fixed that for you.

2010-05-21 16:19:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239

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You miss my point. You are looking back at games you played when you were younger, and to you, they have personal value, and as such you can look past what are now thought of as flaws, because that's how the game is, and that's how you know and love it. I loved F1 97, i persist in saying it is the best racing game of all time. However, whenever i play it, i don't play it long. It was a good game, but it's had it's time. F1 2010 will blow it out of the water. The handling? That'll be better on 2010, because the consoles can cope with more complex stuff. The graphics will be better, and everyone, whether they admit it or not, is a sucker for a good looking game. Things in game graphically can be used to enhance it. The rain has different stages, you see a drying line on the track. An integral part of a wet race, as Button has shown a couple of times this season. Get on the right tyres at the right time, and you can beat your faster team mate (yeah i'm a Hamilton fan...). The old F1 games couldn't incorporate this, they weren't advanced enough. The new one can, which makes it better. The track modeling improves, the surface is more life-like, there will be the right bumps on the track, i can go around a lap of silverstone on F1 97 and move out the way of the bumps that i know are there from the many walks around the track i have done in the 10+ years i've been going, but there is nothing there. F1 2010 will have them, and they will affect the car, with accurately modeled weight distribution etc. The cars react like the actual cars do, unlike the older games. The AI is massively improved. Old games were good in their time, but they are better off left there. If you want to go back and play your old games then fine, but don't be shocked when someone younger, who never played the games when they were cutting edge, has no idea why you like them. To them, they are crappy, with bad controls and bad graphics. They mean nothing to them, and why should they? 'The Beatles started Rock N Roll, you should be thankful to them'. Yeah, doesn't mean i have to like them though, i think they are crap. I'll stick with what i know and what i know i like thank you. Same applies. 'Goldeneye made FPS's massive.' Great, but i don't want Goldeneye, i want BFBC2. Whoa! I'm not saying you should play them if you don't want to. Neither am I shocked if you don't. I totally get the whole nostalgia thing. My point was merely to suggest that they don't all 'suck' and if people were able to see past the dodgy graphics and stop comparing them to games of today and take them for what they are, some might actually find a good game. Probably not where racing games or shooters are concerned, but certainly story driven games and platformers.

2010-05-21 16:30:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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After reading this thread (still not sure why I did that) I have a thought about videogames and athe history therof; I started gaming around the age of 7 on the origional PONG game when it was shiney and new. no buttons (except for the power switch) and just one knob per player. It did one thing...it played pong. Oh, and no sound (unless you counted the RF hum). Yes, PONG sucked! But me and my old man didn't know that, so we played nothing but PONG for almost a year. we loved it. Since then, I've gotten to see the Video game industry evolve into what it is today. Guess what. Little Big Planet sucks. We just don't know it, yet.

2010-05-21 16:48:00 Author: swanbrown Posts: 898

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The Beatles didn't start Rock'n'roll, they made it unprecedentedly popular. And I shudder to think that you don't like a single Beatles song. You, young sir, need a music appreciation class. /offtopic You sir need a class in what not to start an argument with me about. Because as many people on this forum have found out, i will not deviate from the music i like. I like it for a reason, and telling me that i should appreciate it for whatever reason isn't gonna happen. I don't like it so i don't like it... You could make some world changing discoveries in the time it would take to finish this argument with me, so go save lives

2010-05-21 17:46:00 Author: Unknown User

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I thought it was us old folks who were supposed to be resistant to change...you know, all crotchity and set in our ways. Sombody got it twisted.

2010-05-21 17:52:00 Author: swanbrown Posts: 898

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You sir need a class in what not to start an argument with me about. Because as many people on this forum have found out, i will not deviate from the music i like. I like it for a reason, and telling me that i should appreciate it for whatever reason isn't gonna happen. I used to hate my Dad's record collection, now I own half of them myself. Give it a few years lol.

2010-05-21 18:46:00 Author: Kiminski Posts: 545

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I thought it was us old folks who were supposed to be resistant to change...you know, all crotchity and set in our ways. Sombody got it twisted. Nah, it's old folks and teenagers, 'cause those are the two times in your life when you know exactly everything there is to know about the world

2010-05-21 19:07:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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I'm sorry but I don't like any old games I've tried and I was born in the 90's, never liked pokemon or stuff like that... By the way, PacMan is 30 years old today

2010-05-21 19:09:00 Author: Alec Posts: 3871

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You sir need a class in what not to start an argument with me about. Because as many people on this forum have found out, i will not deviate from the music i like. I like it for a reason, and telling me that i should appreciate it for whatever reason isn't gonna happen. I don't like it so i don't like it... You could make some world changing discoveries in the time it would take to finish this argument with me, so go save lives Nobody is starting an argument in my post, so let's not get all huffity-puffity about music. I'd just like to clarify: Music appreciation isn't about telling people they should appreciate something, it's about exposing people to music they might not have heard before. You might not like all the music you hear in such a class, but it sure would open your mind to new things and perhaps even expand on your own personal tastes in music. Or, it might just reinforce what you know you like and love. Either way, you end up with a better appreciation for music in general, thus the term. "Ya can't knock it til' ya try it," so to speak. A flat-out refusal of "all things I don't already like" is just stubborn and close-minded. Besides, look at how cute this gopher is! He's frickin' cute! Isn't he? And look at his little top-hat! Back on topic: the entire paragraph above is precisely the same for any art-form, really, and that includes video games. (Please oh please oh please do not hijack this thread into a debate about video games being art or not, please don't please don't for the love of all things holy.)

2010-05-21 22:44:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239

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Nobody is starting an argument in my post, so let's not get all huffity-puffity about music. I'd just like to clarify: Music appreciation isn't about telling people they should appreciate something, it's about exposing people to music they might not have heard before. You might not like all the music you hear in such a class, but it sure would open your mind to new things and perhaps even expand on your own personal tastes in music. Or, it might just reinforce what you know you like and love. Either way, you end up with a better appreciation for music in general, thus the term. "Ya can't knock it til' ya try it," so to speak. A flat-out refusal of "all things I don't already like" is just stubborn and close-minded. Besides, look at how cute this gopher is! He's frickin' cute! Isn't he? And look at his little top-hat! Back on topic: the entire paragraph above is precisely the same for any art-form, really, and that includes video games. (Please oh please oh please do not hijack this thread into a debate about video games being art or not, please don't please don't for the love of all things holy.) Yup, that's me alright. Problem? /off topic.

2010-05-22 01:27:00 Author: Unknown User

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Back in my day we played run escape

2010-05-22 02:05:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664

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