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Why have sackbots at all ?
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| I can't see how sackbots will open new possibilities imho. It will make a lemmings level or an abes oddysee level alot easier. But it can be done right now. Unskilled creators shouldn't be helped to anything, they gotta learn ! Why implement sackbots when you can make sacksized objects that fill the same function ? for exampel, if you wanted to make an abe's oddysee level right now. You could do AI that simply follow the player ( wcih would be enough. When they come to a rescue portal they dissolve and help the player unlock the next area, basic logics). If you want to make a side kick you can do so as well. Just have an sackboy looking object that follows the player with sensor switch and invisibel piston. Whenever it has to change layer it can simply " dissolve/Emit without the player seeing it so you can maintain the sollution. When an enemy arives it can be programmed to shoot painballs to help you, you can even get it to aim with magnetic sensor logics ^^- Lets say i wanted to make a race level vs an AI. Can i do it right now ? Yes i can. Simply have a thin cardboy figure that goes trough a track by dissolving emmiting whenever it has to change layer, Use pistons to make it jump and programme it to take about 1:00 minute, whenever the AI racer reaches the goal the goal will close down forcing the player to restart the level/course. Lets say i wanted to make an intelligent AI that attacks the player with plasmaballs. That's not hard to move. You can use wheels that will go away/towards the player with sensor switch logics, aims towards the player with sensor switch logics. And if you wanna create a spectaculair fight simply have him running away to the next checkpoint were he will have a more powerfull attack after taking a certain amount of hits. Lets say i want to make discosackbots that will follow the player to the discotec and then dance when it comes there. Well simply use a creature brain/sensor switch logic and whenever it comes to the right area it will " dissolve/reemitt to a simmulairly looking object that danses. Voila you created an illusion of a 70s sackbot ! There is nothing that you can do with sackbots, that you couldn't do without. So whats the point with sackbots ? MM shouldn't have snow since it is possibel to make fake snow. All the new gadgets/items should open up new possibilities. Not merely simplifying existing options. Sackbots will become overused. Right now it isn't because it is extremly hard to make ( still possibel) I hope MM will remove the sackbot option... but i doubt they will =/ | 2010-05-13 15:49:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| I'm sorry to sound so childish here but You're wrong. I don't think anyone can create a sackbot like creation with the tools available in LBP1 | 2010-05-13 15:52:00 Author: Mkwone  Posts: 104 |
| Basically anything could be done with what we have now, but it would be harder and wouldn't look as nice. Cutscenes will be much better now, and we no longer have to have carboard cut-outs of our own sackboys, they look so much better in motion. | 2010-05-13 15:55:00 Author: napero7  Posts: 1653 |
| Sackbots are a cool new tool. We don't NEED THEM but... we don't NEED anything. | 2010-05-13 16:00:00 Author: poorjack  Posts: 1806 |
| Im sure you could make better looking snow. But unless it is impossibel to make snow it shouldn't happend. Anything you can do with sackbots can be doen with some simpel logic/creativity. It will be alot easier. But this defeats the purpose of lbp=Anything can be made, but you have to make it ur self. Whats next ? Automatic h4h bomb survivals ?? No we have to work to. sackbots are not needed at all. Noobs are going to use it alot -.- | 2010-05-13 16:00:00 Author: Unknown User |
| *facepalm* You sir, have lost the game. | 2010-05-13 16:02:00 Author: Testudini  Posts: 3262 |
| Im sure you could make better looking snow. But unless it is impossibel to make snow it shouldn't happend. Anything you can do with sackbots can be doen with some simpel logic/creativity. It will be alot easier. But this defeats the purpose of lbp=Anything can be made, but you have to make it ur self. Whats next ? Automatic h4h bomb survivals ?? No we have to work to. sackbots are not needed at all. Noobs are going to use it alot -.- Get this, noobs are going to use anything we get. That doesn't mean it shouldn't exist. | 2010-05-13 16:05:00 Author: napero7 Posts: 1653 |
| If you can't see potential for the sackbots, then all I can assume is that you have no imagination. Yes it will make things easier for the n00bs. That is a good thing. It will also add unlimited opportunities to the skilled creators as well. Hows about when LBP2 comes out I have a go at pushing the sackbots to their very limits of what can be achieved and you show me how well you can mimic that with a creature brain set to follow and a couple of emitters? This is one of the best and most exciting features of the new game. | 2010-05-13 16:08:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| Noobs are going to use whatever we get. But why help noobs doing something ? They gotta learn the hard way. Thoose who aren t commited can go play WoW. Thoose who want to elevate their level kitting skilsl will rise on their own by for exampel googling this forum. It is possibel to go from newb 2 pro. But we can't help them doing so.They need to etheir stay alive or Die ! | 2010-05-13 16:08:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Unskilled creators shouldn't be helped to anything. Oh yeah because everyone starts out a great creator... -_- I'm not even sure you're good or not, but what i'm certain is that you sucked at this at one point or another just like everyone else. I'm sorry but that is the stupidest thing i've heard, unskilled creators are in fact the ones that SHOULD be helped to anything, that they're not skilled doesn't mean they deserve less than anyone, and this only helps them enjoy the game as much as the rest, its just plain stupid to look down on people because they don't know how to build something. What if a child is playing, or a new guy, or someone who just wants to play around? Are you saying they deserve less than experienced creators? Tch, what fool. | 2010-05-13 16:09:00 Author: Silverleon  Posts: 6707 |
| Oh man the possibilities! Trust me, some crazy things can be done!  | 2010-05-13 16:10:00 Author: jackofcourse  Posts: 1494 |
| Okay, first off, Media Molecule are wanting to make this game more accessible to everybody. You'll still need to do a lot of work to make a -good- level and make -good- use of the tools you're given, but they're also making sure newbie builders have some idea of where to start. As for how important Sackbots are: 1) You can make them look exactly like your Sackboy or give them a unique costume of their own. 2) They move and emote just like an actual sackboy, rather than jumping about on a piston like an unconvincing cardboard cutout Dracula at your fairground's "House of Horror". You can even record your own movements for them to copy. 3) Most importantly (For me anyway), You can have more than 4 of them in a level. A -lot- more than 4 of them. 4) You can make them as simple or as complex as you want. In my other thread suggesting LBPC hold some Sackbot-themed contests, I put up a few suggestions to take full advantage of this useful tool (See who can program the best pathfinding Sackbot, who can do the best acting with them for a short film, and so on). If you need a really active-looking crowd shot for a machinima, no problem - put a bunch of Sackbots in there and give them unique clothing to help them stand out. If you're a member of a gaming clan and want to make a group shot of all your clan members in the same picture, no problem - get your clanmates' desired outfits, put them on a bunch of Sackbots and pose them however you like for the picture. I'm strongly tempted to do a group shot for a clan I'm a member of, so Sackbots will be really handy. In short - Sackbots are there because they have potential. They're as useful as you want them to be. Especially considering there'll still be a 4-player limit at the end of the day. | 2010-05-13 16:24:00 Author: ChazFox  Posts: 132 |
| Crazy things are allready done, are allready in construction. As for kids ? I don't want them they shoukld be out N playing isntead of h4hing and littering the cool pages -.- Lets face it, it doesnt matter if they quit lbp or not since they still payed for the game and used money that will finance lbp2 and help making the lbpworld a better place. An unexperienced creator is worth less then an experienced creator because they haven't devoted their lives into making great levels as we have. We made it ! They haven't . We weren't helped in our path. Why should they be helped ? If you can't create, PLAY !!!!! Certain players are more importing to the community then others... Wetrher or not is is an ethnical thought or not . It doesnt matter if we like it. What matters if it is functional ! | 2010-05-13 16:24:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Crazy things are allready done, are allready in construction. As for kids ? I don't want them they shoukld be out N playing isntead of h4hing and littering the cool pages -.- Lets face it, it doesnt matter if they quit lbp or not since they still payed for the game and used money that will finance lbp2 and help making the lbpworld a better place. An unexperienced creator is worth less then an experienced creator because they haven't devoted their lives into making great levels as we have. We made it ! They haven't . We weren't helped in our path. Why should they be helped ? If you can't create, PLAY !!!!! Certain players are more importing to the community then others... Wetrher or not is is an ethnical thought or not . It doesnt matter if we like it. What matters if it is functional ! You are now dividing the community into "noobs" and "?ber-1337-creators"? Spamming has nothing to do with being inexperienced with the tools. Yeah sure, let's all go our own way and try to learn things on our own. Screw the logic pack, everyone should have figured those things out. You are just being selfish, and don't want too many people to make good levels so that you could stand out more... | 2010-05-13 16:28:00 Author: napero7 Posts: 1653 |
I remember hearing a similar argument when Mm gave us the ability to make pistons, motor bolts, string and other such hardware invisible. I guess the next step towards being a purist is having to take your wood, rock, and metal and shape it with hand tools rather than simply using the corner editor. Oh and I've heard hand stitched grabbable bits is the mark of a true pro.  Oh well.. each to their own I guess, but I can't for the life of me figure out why someone would want less. You always have the option not to use something and ignore those that do.  | 2010-05-13 16:28:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| Crazy things are allready done, are allready in construction. As for kids ? I don't want them they shoukld be out N playing isntead of h4hing and littering the cool pages -.- And with better tools, crazier things can be done! That's how technology works. The community as a whole will benefit from this as the skilled creators amongst us will be able to further push the boundaries of what is possible. That's obviously a bad thing for some reason that only doubletime can comprehend. Probably because he is so much better than everyone else | 2010-05-13 16:31:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Double, LBP is about having fun and making your OWN levels and games. Right now, your acting as the worst time of noob. Lifeless troll. It also seems your saying that to be an epic creator, you have to have no life, and 'the noob creators' have lifes, thus making them horrid. | 2010-05-13 16:32:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262 |
| Alright, I understand your upset over "H4H" and poorly-designed levels littering the front pages. That's all being addressed in LBP2 as well. They're revamping the browsing system so you can be assured of quality levels up front. I don't agree with you that an inexperienced creator is worth less than an experienced creator, though. Everyone was an inexperienced creator at one point or another (I still am, honestly), but they get better over time. The difference is that not everyone is as innately good at designing levels as you. Some of them need a bit of assistance or advice from a second pair of eyes to get their creative juices flowing. The last thing the LBP community needs is elitists like you scaring off inexperienced creators who do have potential, when it's much nicer and more valuable to give them advice and help them realise that potential. That's what LBPC is about, after all - showcasing great levels made by great designers, and giving less experienced designers help and ideas. (Why else would some of the most awesome people here go to the trouble of making the Logic Pack?) | 2010-05-13 16:34:00 Author: ChazFox Posts: 132 |
| I remember hearing a similar argument when Mm gave us the ability to make pistons, motor bolts, string and other such hardware invisible. I guess the next step towards being a purist is having to take your wood, rock, and metal and shape it with hand tools rather than simply using the corner editor. Oh and I've heard hand stitched grabbable bits is the mark of a true pro. I think they should make LBP2 a C++ compiler with a reference to a pixel-generating API.... Seriously, the Sackbots are one of the features I'm looking forward to the most. The immersion possibilities are endless - and the way they're being implemented would be impossible with the LBP creation tools. As I understand, they will be indistinguishable from a normal sackperson, and have AI rules that can be setup..... and can be decorated to create characters to accompany you through your journey. Implemented well, this sounds absolutely incredible. Imagine meeting a little friend, having them follow you through the level, and suddenly fall ino an abyss.... then you have to later rescue them. Yes, you could do it SORT OF with the current tools, but it would suddenly be believable and add emotion. And if you're able to grab them and save them from a fate, changing the logical sequence of things later. I'm stoked! | 2010-05-13 16:36:00 Author: CCubbage  Posts: 4430 |
| I'm not saying H4Hing and spamming and bomb and shark survivals are good, but where would LBP be without them? Everyone who buys the game has a right to post whatever they want online, as long as it's not offensive. People do that, and these levels get played, and those people get feedback on those levels, and therefore can gradually improve if they're willing to put the effort in. And, with all the spam about it makes the good levels that much more special. So really, saying that n00bs shouldn't be playing LBP is rather selfish, because they bought the game like we did and the community wouldn't be the same without them. And as for Sackbots, no-one's said that you can't build what the Sackbots can do in LBP1. The reason they're there is that it makes it EASIER to get a refined, polished, professional look to your levels, more quickly and efficiently. There are even things that Sackbots can do which sackboys can't, like jump twice as high and perform for cutscenes. You're telling me that you're going to get a cardboard cut-out on a piston to look or act as good as a fully functioning Sackbot? Yes, they make it easier to create, and that's how it should be, especially to the inexperienced creators who want to improve their skills. Chillax, man - Sackbots will open up tons of possibilities. They're one of the most exciting things in this game. /rant | 2010-05-13 16:38:00 Author: Holguin86  Posts: 875 |
| I think they should make LBP2 a C++ compiler with a reference to a pixel-generating API.... CCubbage, you're gonna feel like such an ubern00b when I'm creating my levels in assembly | 2010-05-13 16:39:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| CCubbage, you're gonna feel like such an ubern00b when I'm creating my levels in assembly I'm adaptable..... I spent 5 years coding 6502 on a Mac65 Macro Assembler.....  (good lord.... I'm FAR more nerdy than I ever imagined.....) | 2010-05-13 16:43:00 Author: CCubbage Posts: 4430 |
| CCubbage, you're gonna feel like such an ubern00b when I'm creating my levels in assembly Curses, you stole the joke I was just writing! Foiled again.  This argument somehow makes me think of maths. Sure, we COULD do all our maths on paper, but having fancy things like calculators and computers makes maths much quicker, more accessible (to math n00bs), and ultimately more precise. Sackbots are the same. We COULD make them using only basic tools, but it would be longer, not everyone would be able to make one, and there would be a lot more bugs/clunkiness. | 2010-05-13 16:44:00 Author: Gilgamesh  Posts: 2536 |
| Seriously dude, why not have Sackbots or Sackperson NPCs? Imagine the oppertunity with level storys! Instead of cut-outs, there you have a freakin Sackperson who talks to you! I think it's awesome! Sackbots can do all kinds of things when you can't, you sir need to get your creativity servos running! I love the new plans for LittleBigPlanet 2. | 2010-05-13 16:45:00 Author: PoD CREW  Posts: 268 |
| Sackbots make it easier, They look better. But it is still possibel to do it right now. So there is no need to implement it. Certain people are more valuable to the community wich means they are more valuable player that should be benefited from changes in the lbp dynamics ^^ I am right. U are all wrong ! Sackbots No thanks !!! | 2010-05-13 16:47:00 Author: Unknown User |
| The end result from putting a sackbot in the hands of a skilled creator goes far beyond what can be done now. Tell me how this is a bad thing? Or are you just glossing over that side of the argument because you realised that you said something that doesn't really make much sense? And going back to ccubbages point: everythign that can be done in LBP can be done without LBP. The logical end to your stance is that LBP should not exist.... It's whole purpose is to make creating games accesible to the masses. THAT alone is is enough to undermine your point of view here edit: and for the record, I can just about use assembler, I hate when I have to and do pretty much anything to avoid it. I just like the one-upmanship | 2010-05-13 16:49:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| I am right. U are all wrong ! Sackbots No thanks !!! No you, LBPC doesn't need a nazi. Everybody is entitled to their creative point of view, our thoughts make the world. | 2010-05-13 16:50:00 Author: PoD CREW Posts: 268 |
| Suit yourself man. You can continue making cardboard cut-outs, as far as I'm concerned. Just ignore the dynamic, interactive sackbot levels around you when LBP2 comes out. | 2010-05-13 16:50:00 Author: Holguin86 Posts: 875 |
| Sackbots are gunna be my favorite feature, you can do so much with them. It gives the usual cold dead cardboard cutouts life. Not only that but they make for some amazing gameplay objects. Sackbots aren't making anything easier for noobs, like i said in another thread people are confusing these new tools for "level in a can". | 2010-05-13 16:51:00 Author: Littlebigdude805  Posts: 1924 |
| Yup - it will still require a certain level of skill to get Sackbots working and looking proper. It's not undermining anyone's existing skills as a creator. | 2010-05-13 16:53:00 Author: Holguin86 Posts: 875 |
| You better run before the Chuck Norris sack bot gets you!! <:O | 2010-05-13 16:54:00 Author: Jovuto  Posts: 2345 |
| [...] Unskilled creators shouldn't be helped to anything [...] Why? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Sorry, but it's true. Going by your idea of "No one should be helped, do it yourself" Then technically, LBP shouldn't exist? We should all just make our own games and start from scratch? If you're so amazing, go make your own game, we however, will stick with LBP and LBP 2, call us n00bs, we don't care. | 2010-05-13 16:58:00 Author: Doopz  Posts: 5592 |
| Sackbots make it easier, They look better. But it is still possibel to do it right now. So there is no need to implement it. Certain people are more valuable to the community wich means they are more valuable player that should be benefited from changes in the lbp dynamics ^^ I am right. U are all wrong ! Sackbots No thanks !!! If you don't like them just don't use them. Better yet, don't get LBP2 so you don't even have to look at them. Also, why don't you prove what you are saying by making a sackbot in LBP1 and show everyone how simple it is. I for one am the most excited about this as it allows us to change sackboy's control scheme and potentially give him Yoshi's flutter jump! | 2010-05-13 17:07:00 Author: Jedi_1993  Posts: 1518 |
| So doubletime, you've never used used a tutorial or followed someones advice. Ofcourse not. The 1337 players don't need any help or advice to make the best levels. Wait, what's that, you asked for some advice on your levels and when it wasn't 100% positive you had a hissy fit? That doesn't sound like an Uber creator to me. | 2010-05-13 17:09:00 Author: Mkwone Posts: 104 |
| If you don't like them just don't use them. Better yet, don't get LBP2 so you don't even have to look at them. Also, why don't you prove what you are saying by making a sackbot in LBP1 and show everyone how simple it is. I for one am the most excited about this as it allows us to change sackboy's control scheme and potentially give him Yoshi's flutter jump! EXACTLY! OWNED! YOU WON THE GAME! | 2010-05-13 17:09:00 Author: PoD CREW Posts: 268 |
| Why invent the camera when you can just paint instead? Sackbots are my most anticipated feature! I can't wait!  | 2010-05-13 17:12:00 Author: Rhys125  Posts: 841 |
| Also, why don't you prove what you are saying by making a sackbot in LBP1 and show everyone how simple it is. Yeah, I'd love to see a tutorial on how to do this, with low thermo, and it must be able to do everything Sackbots will be able to do in LBP 2. I look forward to seeing it. | 2010-05-13 17:14:00 Author: Doopz Posts: 5592 |
| Certain skill level ? rofl | 2010-05-13 17:15:00 Author: Unknown User |
| I take it you would be using this? http://cdn.edu-search.com/uploads/trephinedrill.jpg It cuts a hole out of your skull, somewhat primitive BUT it does the same thing we do today. But that new stuff is just too easy! All the noobs getting their skulls cut open painlessly.. Sackbots are an advancement and will open up further possibilities. I expect there to be much more to what we are seeing now and some creators to take it beyond what we can think of now. Improving efficiency and performance is always a good thing, that's how we advance.. | 2010-05-13 17:16:00 Author: OneEyedBanshee  Posts: 1370 |
| Certain skill level ? rofl We imply that you related to skill level, yes. ROFL? It isn't that funny. Until you have something good to say. Please turn off your computer. | 2010-05-13 17:19:00 Author: PoD CREW Posts: 268 |
| Guys, have you noticed that doubletime has essentially sidestepped a whole bunch of reasonable points and questions, which point out why sackbots will be worthwhile. His current best justification is "I am right and you are wrong". Take a moment to understand what this means, in real terms. While you are considering that fact, please don't feed the trolls | 2010-05-13 17:27:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Guys, have you noticed that doubletime has essentially sidestepped a whole bunch of reasonable points and questions, which point out why sackbots will be worthwhile. His current best justification is "I am right and you are wrong". Take a moment to understand what this means, in real terms. While you are considering that fact, please don't feed the trolls Yup.. I agree. I think he's just a bit grumpy and likes to argue. Perhaps he just needs a nice nap. | 2010-05-13 17:32:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| Ignoring the OP, my first plan for sackbots is to re create something insane like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Xa4bHcJu8 Something will a million little cycles, a sackbot runs in pulling a block, another one jumps in from another direction and uses it to jump onto a ledge, a 3rd sackbot comes in and removes the block, another sackbot comes in and tries to jump where the sackbot used to be and falls and dies, a sackbot runs in pulling a block etc etc | 2010-05-13 17:38:00 Author: Asbestos101  Posts: 1114 |
| BTW Double, calling us inexpirened creators, noobs, and acting how you are.. You turned into a noob yourself. I think you should just stop, admit your wrong, and go back to playing LBP. Just because you have an opinion does'nt mean EVERYONE has to believe it. | 2010-05-13 17:57:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262 |
| I guess it doesn't help your case that you already seem to have taken a hit to your reputation on the boards, Double. Stop antagonising, let players do what they want regardless of their experience with the game, and let players who want to improve get pointers from staff and fellow members. LittleBigPlanet is a place for everyone, not just people who are good at making levels. | 2010-05-13 18:12:00 Author: ChazFox Posts: 132 |
| This is the most retarded thing i've read in a very long time. WHAT THE %$&@!!!! You really think that noobs shouldn't be helped? What would you feel like if no one would help you learn how to read and type? "An unexperienced creator is worth less then an experienced creator because they haven't devoted their lives into making great levels as we have" quoted from an idiot. *cough* have you heard about a thing called school? Homework? Jobs? Family? There are more important things in our lives than gaming!!! This is just plain retarded. You should be honored for even making me reply to this stupidity. it's obvious to me that you think you are above all others and the best creator there is. "I won't help you, you are too stupid. Learn the hard way!" Well guess what, an example: You are the best in your math class. But you still get an F. Why? Because you have no respect at all for people who are bad at math. you don't help 'em when they ask politely, and laugh at then when they get an F. If i was next to you i would punch you so hard... Oh yeah, important question: how old are you exactly? | 2010-05-13 19:21:00 Author: TNSv  Posts: 302 |
| ... Thread lock? I mean, all this is is an argument between 1 person and everyone else as to the future necessity of sackbots (which are INVALUABLE by the way, simply amazing!!!) So yeah, thread lock? | 2010-05-13 19:23:00 Author: Theap Pleman  Posts: 670 |
| You are sackbot hitler. considder me Time Reagan. I have come back in time from the 1980's to kick your tushie terminator style! -Sackbots have AI programming capabilities, and can DO and USE anything a sackboy can... Can a cardboard cutout drive in a direct controll seat? -They have the look and ANIMATIONS of a sackboy and can use ALL THE DLC COSTUMES OF A SACKBOY! Can a cardboard cutout do that? -You sid earlier that not helping newbs is an "Ethnical issue" no. its an ETHICAL ISSUE! NEWBS ARE NOT A RACE!! -Go away. -People need to be taught things to become better at them. lets say your mother never taught you how to walk, talk, dress yourself... NEWB! YOU GOT TOO MUCH HELP AS A CHILD!!!! -GO AWAY!! -LBP IS FOR EVERYONE! HITLER! HITLEEEEER!!! - Stop playing if you wish, but this is just how it is. Welcome to earth! | 2010-05-13 19:42:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806 |
| take your wood, rock, and metal and shape it with hand tools Or Impact explosives | 2010-05-13 20:00:00 Author: Kern  Posts: 5078 |
| Lol. Explodeybots. I vote for this. | 2010-05-13 20:12:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806 |
| No i mean i can see where he might be coming from, i mean letting robots into our homes... what happens when they become self aware? | 2010-05-13 20:18:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| Oh... my... god.... SKYNET! They are here to kill us all!! | 2010-05-13 20:20:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806 |
| If RTM could create a truly self aware sackbot out of logic then i would hail him as my god | 2010-05-13 20:23:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| If RTM could create a truly self aware sackbot out of logic then i would hail him as my god ... or maybe RTM already IS a self aware Sackbot made out of logic!!! | 2010-05-13 20:26:00 Author: Gilgamesh Posts: 2536 |
| ... or maybe RTM already IS a self aware Sackbot made out of logic!!! Oh My God... it all makes sense now... RTM really stands for ROBOT - TYPE - MAN :O :O :O HIDE YOUR CHILDREN AND WIVES!! | 2010-05-13 20:32:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| Srory but the sackbots can do every thing sackboy can do. theres no way you can make anything on lbp1 that moves like sackboy. The sackbots can be dressed to look exactly like a real sackboy for one. and it can be programed to move and slap,jump and so on. plus making something like a full sackboy on lbp that functions like a real sackboy would take a lot of thermo and look odd and break a lot probably. | 2010-05-13 20:35:00 Author: Delirium  Posts: 349 |
| It can be done. But the sackbot makes things easier. But not possibel. " i want a sackbot that follows the players and pulls switch " That can be done, you can even use chains and so to make the lever moving if you'd like. " I want a sackbot that mimics the player " Can this be done ? Sorta. You can have them follow the player, jump whenver the player jumps. And have the player controll their emotions with emitt/dissolve magic. " I want a robot that acts just like a sackbot " This can't be done. Since it is impossibel to make it look as alive: This is however like asking for a human dressed up in a toxedo that oppens the door. Instead of asking for someone/something that oppends the door. You are basicly saying what you want ur server to wear. The door can open/cloose automaticly otherwise. It is impossibel to mimic a " sackbot following a character and starts dance when they reach their goal " but you can make an object that fills the exactly same gap as the sackbot does wich was my point. You can't make a sackbot. But you can fill it's purpose. Noobs shouldn't be helped. But they can help themselves by aligning with a more skilled player or googling their way to tutorials on the internet. Noobs shouldn't be given a link that they could get from a quick google search. Noobs shouldn't be givven a tool that makes realistic snow when they can make fake snow with some effort. Noobs shouldn't be givven sackbots when a player made objekt can fill it's purpose wich was my point ! Don't make it easy, make it possibel ! Think about it. If the noobs/kids got tired of playing, we would have good levels in the cool page when the true pros stay alive, followed by a few noobs that have the potential to become good at this. In the animal kingdom very few individuals will survive to adulthood of some species. But some will..... | 2010-05-13 20:51:00 Author: Unknown User |
| Can this be done ? Sorta. You can have them follow the player, jump whenver the player jumps. And have the player controll their emotions with emitt/dissolve magic. " I want a robot that acts just like a sackbot " This can't be done just underlined the flaws in your argument ]Noobs shouldn't be helped Again with the noob hating! [/QUOTE] | 2010-05-13 20:56:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| Think about it. If the noobs/kids got tired of playing, we would have good levels in the cool page when the true pros stay alive Again with the elitism. You realise that the design of LittleBigPlanet is innately cute and aimed at the younger population, right? Saying that you want the kids gone is like saying you want to rip the heart out of the community. | 2010-05-13 20:57:00 Author: ChazFox Posts: 132 |
| sorry but you sound like a complete @#$%^! I like helping the new players learn to build. lbp is play create share. not treat others like bugs. And I like the sackbots as I can do alot more with it then I can with making a half arsed one. they will make things a lot funner. LBP is for fun not for seeing who is better at building. and from what I read lbp2 and the network will have the search all fixed up. my guess with category so you can find good levels and avoid the h4h and crud. | 2010-05-13 21:01:00 Author: Delirium Posts: 349 |
| ok then try and make something that can grab things like a sackbot can. what about when your contraption has to change direction. it'll end up walking backwards whereas the sackbot will just turn around. try and make it scared of heights. try and make it move like a sackperson. try and make something that can grab a rope swing and swing over to the other side. also try and make it thermo-friendly. And what about when it falls over or it has to jump over something. make something that can do ALL these things. I doubt you will. | 2010-05-13 21:03:00 Author: ADS_LEGEND  Posts: 140 |
| Basically Doubletime although you are allowed your own opinion in this case you are wrong. Sackbots will improve the game and i for one am already designing a level to incorporate them | 2010-05-13 21:04:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| Well done man, you've finally seen sense and realised what sackbots can actually do! (Thanks to Kernel for making that doubly clear). Here are two options. Spend lots of effort, thermo and logic making a cardboard cutout that does whata you want it to do, but a bit clunkily and buggily. End result looks alright. OR ... Plonk a sackbot into the level, spend five minutes wiring him up and setting up its AI, and dress it in any DLC costume. End result looks brilliant. Hmmm, decisions decisions ... We're just trying to show you that the new tools aren't here to let noobs take over the world, they're here to make everyone's creating easier, more fun and give better results. You wait - you won't resist being able to tweak a sackbot once the community starts using them ... | 2010-05-13 21:08:00 Author: Holguin86 Posts: 875 |
| Double, if sackbots are useless and your so good of a creator, make an EXACT copy of a sackbot, that does everything a sackboy can. RIGHT now. EDIT: D'oh, didn't see legends post. But still, try. | 2010-05-13 21:08:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262 |
| They make the game less complicated. Your argument is like MM saying "we could make X the select button for ease, but instead we'll make it a 20 button combination" | 2010-05-13 21:10:00 Author: Unknown User |
| It can be done. But the sackbot makes things easier. But not possibel. " i want a sackbot that follows the players and pulls switch " That can be done, you can even use chains and so to make the lever moving if you'd like. " I want a sackbot that mimics the player " Can this be done ? Sorta. You can have them follow the player, jump whenver the player jumps. And have the player controll their emotions with emitt/dissolve magic. " I want a robot that acts just like a sackbot " This can't be done. Since it is impossibel to make it look as alive: This is however like asking for a human dressed up in a toxedo that oppens the door. Instead of asking for someone/something that oppends the door. You are basicly saying what you want ur server to wear. The door can open/cloose automaticly otherwise. It is impossibel to mimic a " sackbot following a character and starts dance when they reach their goal " but you can make an object that fills the exactly same gap as the sackbot does wich was my point. You can't make a sackbot. But you can fill it's purpose. Noobs shouldn't be helped. But they can help themselves by aligning with a more skilled player or googling their way to tutorials on the internet. Noobs shouldn't be given a link that they could get from a quick google search. Noobs shouldn't be givven a tool that makes realistic snow when they can make fake snow with some effort. Noobs shouldn't be givven sackbots when a player made objekt can fill it's purpose wich was my point ! Don't make it easy, make it possibel ! Think about it. If the noobs/kids got tired of playing, we would have good levels in the cool page when the true pros stay alive, followed by a few noobs that have the potential to become good at this. In the animal kingdom very few individuals will survive to adulthood of some species. But some will..... LOL. I can see that you are desperately trying to defend yourself and that you want to get the upper hand in this pointless argument! You are stupid, retarded, and possibly drunk 24/7. WHAT THE HE** WE KNOW ONLY ABOUT 10% OF HOW SACKBOTS ARE TWEAKED AND CUSTOMIZED!!! HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ITS GONNA BE EASY?!? THEY SAID "EAS-IER" NOT "REALLY EASY!!!!!" Ps: I can't wait to see what garbage you are going to write next. Pps: Noobs SHOULD be helped. They will learn quicker and appreciate your help and possibly heart you and your levels. But what could a stupid nerd who's locked himself up in a basement who doesn't have friends like you possibly understand that? | 2010-05-13 21:17:00 Author: TNSv Posts: 302 |
| LOL. I can see that you are desperately trying to defend yourself and that you want to get the upper hand in this pointless argument! You are stupid, retarded, and possibly drunk 24/7. WHAT THE HE** WE KNOW ONLY ABOUT 10% OF HOW SACKBOTS ARE TWEAKED AND CUSTOMIZED!!! HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT ITS GONNA BE EASY?!? THEY SAID "EAS-IER" NOT "REALLY EASY!!!!!" Ps: I can't wait to see what garbage you are going to write next. Pps: Noobs SHOULD be helped. They will learn quicker and appreciate your help and possibly heart you and your levels. But what could a stupid nerd who's locked himself up in a basement who doesn't have friends like you possibly understand that? TNSv I agree with you but I think you're getting to emotional bout this. | 2010-05-13 21:23:00 Author: blizzard_cool  Posts: 752 |
| Screw sackbots!! I saw terminator... TERMINATOR 2 | 2010-05-13 21:25:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806 |
| It's clearly a troll thread. Why did we satisfy him? xD If you don't like the feature good sir, do not buy the game. I'll buy two to compensate for your loss of endless possibilities. | 2010-05-13 21:27:00 Author: AeroForce22  Posts: 392 |
| TNSv I agree with you but I think you're getting to emotional bout this. Yeah, i know. But when it starts becoming a pain in the *** getting the message through someones head the only solution is shouting. But you are right i gotta calm down. it's just that my life is full of jerks already without doubletime. I can't see how this is emotional tho. But i still want to know his age! | 2010-05-13 21:28:00 Author: TNSv Posts: 302 |
| OK FROM NOW ON NO MORE POSTING IN THIS THREAD k? K! if we stop posting he can live in Lala land and we can live in Sackbot land | 2010-05-13 21:29:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| No moderator is currently online, but I'm sure this will be locked when one logs in. Original post reported, and maker negative-repped. Guys, have you noticed that doubletime has essentially sidestepped a whole bunch of reasonable points and questions, which point out why sackbots will be worthwhile. His current best justification is "I am right and you are wrong". Listen to rtm, who worded the situation very well. It's tempting to argue with someone like doubletime, but it's just going to go in one ear and out the other with him. WHAT THE HE** Please don't do anything that could antagonize doubltime to become more selfless and outspoken than he already is. Screw sackbots!! I saw terminator... TERMINATOR 2 Please be a good example and don't spam. | 2010-05-13 21:33:00 Author: Incinerator22  Posts: 3251 |
| Mods, i command you to lock this thread to stop the endless war that has consumed our lands. Let us live in peace with out the question of the epic awesomeness that is thy sackbot!!! | 2010-05-13 21:34:00 Author: blizzard_cool Posts: 752 |
| STOP POSTING THEN!!!! Rawr! | 2010-05-13 21:38:00 Author: Kern Posts: 5078 |
| I'm not here to join this lovely argument... All I'm going to say is if you think you can do everything a sackbot can do with logic and corner-edited objects, you clearly know nothing about how sackbots work. In fact, most people don't know much about them, since MM hasn't released a significant amount of info on them. However, with the small amount we do know, we can deduce that they will be invaluable and open up countless possibilities. If you don't see this... it's most unfortunate for you. | 2010-05-13 21:38:00 Author: xero  Posts: 2419 |
| STOP POSTING THEN!!!! Rawr! rawr tiger. I don't see how you don't want an extra...I love lemmings so I'll be enjoying these things so much. | 2010-05-13 21:42:00 Author: oldage  Posts: 2824 |
| Before this post is lockeed can i just say ,Everybody has seen the trailer but nobody has played the game. I like the cardboard-cut-out because it adds humor to gameplay But sackbots would add amazing amount of depth to the realisim in this game. Anyways sacks No prejudgment! Soverso out. | 2010-05-13 21:47:00 Author: Sim725  Posts: 247 |
| Everyone needs to quit being mini-moderators. Just report the post and let it be. Thanks and locked. | 2010-05-13 21:52:00 Author: comphermc  Posts: 5338 |
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