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| I love everything that is paranormal in any way so I thought I start a thread about it. For those who don't know what that means, it's everything that is supernatural like ghosts, aliens psychic powers and all that. First I want to know if you believe in such things and why do/don't you believe in that? Oh and please tell me if you believe in UFO's. | 2010-04-27 20:28:00 Author: Chrree  Posts: 554 |
I believe in extraterrestrial life. I just don't picture them as evil green men with antennas  Ghosts? No. Psychic powers? Just a tiny bit. | 2010-04-27 20:33:00 Author: Heckboy88  Posts: 179 |
| Ya I believe in them too and I really doubt that they are small and green either. I do think that they are grey and have big black eyes though. Maybe the are retalted to insects? | 2010-04-27 20:42:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| I believe in extraterrestrial life. I just don't picture them as evil green men with antennas yah same here i love paranormal stuffs.. its actually very interesting.. something else that i love.. is the Bermuda triangle.. i live in it lol.. some people think its a lie.. but when you get in it, your compass gets crazy.. and you feel dizzy.. etc. | 2010-04-27 22:59:00 Author: Joey  Posts: 758 |
| I believe everything can be explained by science ... Is that boring? | 2010-04-27 23:08:00 Author: Holguin86  Posts: 875 |
| I believe everything can be explained by science ... Is that boring? No, my friend. Not at all. That is wisdom! My beliefs? Aliens are out there. Will we ever see them? Most likely not. Telepathy is possible. Psychic powers are a bit more of a stretch. | 2010-04-27 23:20:00 Author: Astrosimi  Posts: 2046 |
| The universe so go******** huge that there's other life out there for sure, but I doubt whatever it is would be remotely humanoid. Might even be just bacteria, I dunno. | 2010-04-27 23:32:00 Author: monstahr  Posts: 1361 |
Aliens im almost sure are out there, will i myself ever see them? not unless they come to me, or we advance extremely fast. As for phychic powers, I think theres a strange connection between most living beings intelligent or not, I myself can make most animals flip a lid or calm down on will, how? i have no idea but i can  as for using mind power to move stuff, mmmmno, producing enough energy to shock or burn stuff, i wouldn't be surprised if its true, still a little skeptical, telepathy, like clearly sending messages between minds, is hard to believe in. Ghosts? idk. | 2010-04-27 23:34:00 Author: Littlebigdude805  Posts: 1924 |
| @Joey I guess that must be because of electromagnetic fields. They have influence on compasses and even have influence on humans senses. @Holguin86 Of course not because I also believe in that. There are many cases with aliens and UFO's you can't deny though. A whole town that sees the UFO's which get chased by jets or UFO's seen by the military. I would never say that there are no UFO's for sure. When it comes to ghosts it's much more unrealistic but there are some things like EVP (Electronic Voice Phenomenon) which you can't explane. According to science psychic powers could be possible since we only use a small part of our brains and there is the theory that we could do some crazy stuff if we could use the full capacity. | 2010-04-28 00:19:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| The universe so go******** huge that there's other life out there for sure, but I doubt whatever it is would be remotely humanoid. Might even be just bacteria, I dunno. Either that or WE are like bacteria compared to them... Neve thought about that now did ya? Anywho, do i belive in aliens, yes of course, i've even seen them! You mean those people from other countries, right? No but seriously, i do believe and have seen my fair share of "alleged" UFO's personally. Psychic abilities? Absolutely, psychic abilities and ghost/ spirits are strongly connected. (Tho i don't believe a word those phony "psychics" you can hire say) And ghosts? I'd be crazy to deny them as i've been seeing/ hearing them for a long time now. At nights i've heard the ghosts walking around at least once in any house i've lived in before, and i know its not someone else as the steps seem to have no problem passing from one room to another even tho doors are closed... One even grabbed my shoulder once. | 2010-04-28 00:31:00 Author: Silverleon  Posts: 6707 |
| Alien life as far as I'm concerned is 100% guaranteed to exist in some form or another. I mean, milky way has 100 billion stars.. that's a lot of opportunities in our own galaxy let alone the hundreds of billions of galaxies out there. I don't think they are likely to be humanoid. We are the only life on earth that aspires to go into space, that could be something unique to us as a species. I think we will find aliens before they find us if we are ever to make contact so to speak. But there is so many chances we will go extinct by the time we are advanced enough to do such things. Maybe that is why no aliens are coming to us, extinction is a huge part of life with 99.9% of all life that ever existed on Earth long gone. Psychics I don't believe in. I don't understand what some do exactly but I believe there is an explanation. There's nothing divine about it in my opinion. Humans are bound to have things in common these people can use to their advantage. There is systems they ask some questions, then that leads onto others etc. Plus it's usually quite general, then generals can lead to more specific. Mind power like telekinesis and whatnot is just no. Not possible, no other creatures possess anything remotely close to powers like spewing fireballs etc so why humans would exclusively have these I do not know. We all come from a common ancestor so surely other species would have similar traits. It's just something from out of our imaginations like dragons and other mythical beings, life is just a tad boring some times and we think up these fantasies that have been turned into stories and they are such a hit because who wouldn't want something extraordinary like that in everyday life? Our minds enjoy being captivated and we are like moths to a flame. I am of the belief we live, we die and then that is it. Blank, emptiness, in fact not even emptiness just nothing. We get recycled and the process repeats. It is pretty tragic, to think this is the fate of everything we know, the universe will fade to black and all life in it will perish some day then it will repeat again. Fun times!  I have witnessed "supernatural" things. But I believe there is an explanation for everything, it's in the mind in my opinion. | 2010-04-28 00:32:00 Author: OneEyedBanshee  Posts: 1370 |
| I'll believe anything... so as long there is enough evidence to support it. | 2010-04-28 00:41:00 Author: CyberSora Posts: 5551 |
| @Silverleon I also had some expiereince with "ghosts" already. One night I went to bad and faced the wall. After a few minutes I heard someone slowing walking towards my bed on the carped though no one opend the door. Then the person stopped at my and seemed to stare at me. I was too afraid to turn around so I starred at the wall and waited what happend. After a minute or two I slowly turned around but there wasn't anyone. I immediately turned the light on the other side of my room and looked around but I was the only one wake and when I asked my family in the morning they said that it wasn't them. It couldn't be a dream because at that time it always took me an hour or more to fall asleep and it happend within a few minutes. | 2010-04-28 01:31:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| @Joey I guess that must be because of electromagnetic fields. They have influence on compasses and even have influence on humans senses. nah... its not only that.. lots of weird stuffs that cant be explained  | 2010-04-28 01:46:00 Author: Joey Posts: 758 |
| @Silverleon I also had some expiereince with "ghosts.. (shortening for lack of space). O_O That's pretty ,uch what happened to me! Only that the steps went back and forth a couple of times around the house first (oddly enough it seemed to randomly speed up and slow down from time to time), and the house didn't have carpet so the steps sounded like bones... First time it was just the walking, 2nd time was "it" stopping nest to my bed for a bit then grabbing my shoulder... (that creeeped me out more than anything has ever  ) i couldn't turn aound as it kept its (what i think is) hand on my shoulder and ended up falling asleep like that (or fainting, not sure ) Next morning, no one heard anything or knew anything about it...Btw, do you happen to remember the day of this "apparition"? (Monday, tuesday, wednesday, etc) | 2010-04-28 01:50:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| Well that sounds even more scary! Unfortunately I don't remember the day it happend, why? Do you? The same thing happend to my cousin. He told me after I told him what happend to me. According to him and my grandparents there are many of these phenomenons in our family. Another story of mine is that I tried to do EVPrecordings myself. I changed the batteries of my recorder and tried a while. Since I didn't record anything unusuall the next room I tried was my brothers room where never anything unusuall used to happen. His tv, stereo and anything else always worked without any problems but when I tried to record in his room my recorder wouldn't work. I thought the batteries were empty already so I changed them again. I tried again but it didn't work but when I tried it outside his room the recorder always worked normaly again. I tried again but it still wouldn't work. I wanted to show my brother that I'm not lying so we both went to his room and just when I started to record his lamp started to flicker though it was turned off!! We got so scared we ran out of the room and told our mother. After that I stopped trying and nothing unusuall happend in his room ever again. Now that I'm mentioning such things anyone else experienced such things him-/herself? | 2010-04-28 04:20:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| I heard a scream once. It was the most terrifying thing that has ever happened to me. I was lying in bed on a school night minding my own business. It seemed too hot though, I just couldn't sleep. My window was wide open to let cold air in and it was also right next to my bed. I slept in a top bunk so the window was literally a few feet from my head, everything outside I could hear. It was a weeknight about 1-3am, can't be sure. So it was pretty quiet out with everyone sleeping and whatnot. But I live in a suburban area so noises of things in the distance are always present. Then gradually I started to hear this whistling. It wasn't scary but it stood out. The whistler just kept whistling over and over the same tone. It was high pitched but not too high, they sounded far away with a reverberating sound to it, I imagined in a field about 5 mins walk away. There was no wind so it was very clear. This whistling seemed to go on forever, time is hard to measure but I'd have thought about 10 mins. It was at this point I thought or said out loud, I cannot remember which, "Shut the fff up!". I am not joking, instantly I heard a scream(not sure if whistling stopped instantly but I don't remember it after). But this didn't sound far away, it sounded like it was in my garden! Believe me with the window wide open the volume seemed insanely loud. I got the vibe it was in my neighbors garden though, don't know why. It, as far as I'm concerned it had no gender, sounded like a monster. I am still given chills to this day by the thought of it. I couldn't sleep after it that night. And for days after I was completely paranoid and couldn't sleep either, it was truly TERRIFYING. It screamed twice by the way. Both times it sounded in pain and really demonic. It's voice as I say didn't seem to have a gender. It sounded male and female, it's voice was really high pitched and really low pitched. Plus a whole lot more pitches in between but none were harmonious, it was painful on the ears. Like the effect in horror movies where a female voice is played and a male one at the same time to give this possessed demonic sound. But it was so much worse than anything a movie has even produced. Top that with the WAY it screamed. Oh my god it was horrible. It started out low like a groan, like, huuuuu... it might look funny typed but this is how it screamed.. huuuurrrAAAAAHHHHHHHUUuooooo or something along these lines. It sounded like it had a speech impediment almost. I have never heard anything like it before or after. I hate seeing things on paranormal shows like ooh there was a knock. It was so quiet etc, this thing I heard was undeniable, it was so loud, so in your face vomit inducing and disgusting there is no "oh what was it" innocently. It is a case of what the hell was THAT thing, that monster freaky mess that will cause nightmares. I wanted so bad to close the window but I couldn't bring myself to pull back the curtain and possibly see what made the noise. My heart rate rocketed and I couldn't move I was so scared. Still can't really explain it to this day and I hope I never hear such a thing again. I have heard several weirdnesses over the years but that one tops the chart for fear factor. | 2010-04-28 06:07:00 Author: OneEyedBanshee Posts: 1370 |
| @Chree Yes i clearly remember the day and time it happened the times it did. It was at exactly midnight on Tuesday (technically wednesdays) i know because there was i show i watched called "Otro Rollo" which was shown on Tuesday and ended at midnight. This phenimena occured like a minute right after i turned off the Tv those days, bby then al else was off as well. I could clearly hear the steps. Oh **** today is wednesday isn't it...? Oh well, at least its past midnight... Long story short i never turn off the T.v. right after midnight anymore if everything else is off already (I leave a timer or something) @OneEyedBanshee I am aware that spirits REALLY dislike cursing and supposedly may drive them away, that or simply make the spirit freak. I believe yours might be the later. Perhaps it was just a wandeering spirit, and you saying it to f-off made it freak? Thus the screaming. Well, all this talk of spirits after midnight is giving me the creeps, so i'll be back tomorrow (or later today, whatever,) >_> | 2010-04-28 09:28:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| It is irrational to believe that something exists, until it has been proven to exist It is equally irrational to discount the possibility that something might exist until it has been proven that it can't exist So I keep an open mind. It's the only rational outlook. However, I'm also aware that people love to tell elaborate stories of their experiences with ghosts, ufo's, etc. to gain a little attention for themselves and to give others the impression that their banal, mundane lives are full of mystery and excitement. Ahem... | 2010-04-28 09:44:00 Author: Ungreth  Posts: 2130 |
| Ironically a simple sience logic can make it easier to believe. Its possible/ existant; You just have to know its possible in any way, whenever, wherever. Its impossible/ non existant: You have to kno everything that's alway happening, alway happened and always will happend everywhere and anywhere. In other words, there's an eternity to prove somthing's possible/ exists, but you'd have to know everything in the entire universe to fully disclose anything as non-existent or possible. | 2010-04-28 09:52:00 Author: Silverleon Posts: 6707 |
| Yeesh, this and the other thread (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=25324-Disney-s-huge-secret), are you people absolutely set against anybody on these forums ever getting a peaceful night's sleep again?? I for one have always had a great deal of fun sharing and hearing ghost stories, the freakier the better. I love being scared. For me personally, by far, my most terrifying experiences have been nightmares and night terrors. I've had countless awful nightmares - who doesn't - but there have been a tiny, miniscule select few that have absolutely shaken me up and freaked me out to an unnatural degree. But nothing paranormal. The closest thing to a paranormal event I ever experienced was very, very vivid, and was shared by my girlfriend. We were just in bed reading - this was about 4 or 5 years ago. The lamp was on by the bed. Middle of the night. both of our heads were against our pillows, right next to each other. There was a feeling and a sound of fingers tapping against one of the pillows. RIGHT next to our ears. By the way, the head of the bed was against the wall, not a window, closet, cabinet, or anything else. a rapid tap-tap-tap-tap. Neither of us reacted instantly. I think I assumed she had done it and she assumed I had done it. But I sort of turned my head at the same time as her to check - and we both freaked. We sat up and looked around for spiders and just generally wondered what in the holy hell that was. I thought for a terrible second that a giant spider had fallen on the pillows. But nothing came up, which was a huge relief to me. (to me, a giant spider living in the ceiling or wall right above our sleeping heads is way worse than a slightly mischievous ghost companion.) To this day I'm left to assume that one of us just had a very absent-minded moment. I can certainly see me OR my girlfriend doing that kind of thing blindly, without realizing it, but it was our simultaneous reaction that made it a very bizarre event. Another possibility is that it wasn't on the pillow itself at all, but rather in the wall. We were on the 3rd floor, and the other side of the apartment wall was outside - it could have very easily been a pigeon roosting or scratching or tapping, or some other critter of the alleyway. But the sensation we both shared was that it was ON THE PILLOW. Darned ghost critters... | 2010-04-28 09:55:00 Author: Teebonesy  Posts: 1937 |
| Ironically a simple sience logic can make it easier to believe. No it doesn't. Your logic simply states that a fundamental disbelief of such things, an assertion that they categorically do NOT exist, is illogical until you know everything. Fair enough, I can get behind that. But that logic gives no extra weight to a belief in any particular unproven entity. It still makes far more sense to be sceptical of those things that are unproven rather than just believing in every single rediculous thing you hear about, like Russel's Teapot and the rather more popular Flying Spagetti Monster | 2010-04-28 11:02:00 Author: rtm223  Posts: 6497 |
| One time I woke up and there was some terrible sound. I don't think it was anything outside, it was like it was in my head, like when your ears ring. I can't explain it, it was like static or something but Family Matters was on TV, but at the same time it wasn't as smooth as TV static. It was sporadic. It didn't really freak me out that much, though. Maybe it's from playing drums too loud and destroying my hearing. It was probably definitely aliens. | 2010-04-28 11:44:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Those who don't write serious posts just get ignored. @OneEyedBanshee How sure are you that it wasn't a dream? Sometimes when you are half asleep you start to dream something but then it wakes you in an instand and you believe for a moment that it was real. Maybe your experience was a really realistic dream? Did anyone else hear that scream? Were there any footprints or other evidence? In case you didn't just dream it that's really terrifying! I can only agree to what Silverleon said. In parapsychology it's common knowledge that spirits dislike cursing. It could be that you provoced it by doing so. Most spirits just leave but it seems that you had bad luck. An other explaination could be that someone tried to kid you and used a stereo for that sound or something. Can you think of anyone who would do that to you? @Teebonesy That sounds really weird. Did you just believe that it was on your pillows because it was close or was it because of the sound it made aswell? I just recreated the noise on my pillow (since I'm still lying in my bed and using my notebook anyway) and I think you can really tell if it was the pillow or not. | 2010-04-28 13:31:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
Does alien excists? yes, we can't be alone in the whole univers or can we?  Ghosts? naaah, not really | 2010-04-28 13:41:00 Author: Alec  Posts: 3871 |
| Oh, boy. A thread about the paranormal. Here's something good. ^^ Do aliens and ghosts exist? I think so. As has been said, the universe is just too big for us to be alone in it. Statistically, it's highly improbable that we're alone. As for ghosts, while I don't think they are the spirits of the dearly departed, there is definitely something going on with all these paranormal claims you hear. Take a story like Chrree's or OneEyedBanshee's. I noticed when reading them the amount of detail in those stories. If you're just making something up, it's much harder to put so much detail in, compared to something that actually happened. Plus, Silverleon's been having experiences for years, apparently. So, try telling him that ghosts aren't real. Heck, try telling anyone who's had a legitimate paranormal experience that ghosts aren't real. They'll laugh in your face. Personally, I've never had any paranormal experiences, but my mum says she had a ton when she was a kid. She used to live on the lake in a big-ish house. Around the time they lived there, her parents started going through a rough time (they ended up divorced) and were fighting a lot. This is when the stuff started happening. I guess the ghost was pretty active; my mum says it got to the point where she could actually see it when it would walk by, like a shadow person. One time, she woke up in the middle of the night, and there was a depression on the side of her bed, like someone was sitting there (though this could have been something like one of those half-awake dreams, or sleep paralysis, which she is prone to get). Here's my favorite story, though. One time, the family was in the living room and a candle flew off the mantle of the fireplace across the room at my grandma. Not like it just fell off, it flew across the room. Now, talk to my mum and tell her that there's no such thing as the paranormal. | 2010-04-28 15:36:00 Author: dandygandy2704  Posts: 1002 |
| Ive had my share of UFOS :| At night around 8:00 pm I went outside, looked up, and saw this huge thing with lights on the bottom SLOWLY flying south, away from the nearby airport. Then, maybe a couple years later, i was looking up in the sky one day and saw a small circle fly FAST through the clouds. lolwut Also, one night this year I was listenting outside when the dogs started barking, ALL at the same time. They usually bark, but this was the loudest Ive ever heard. And for the next 3 minutes, over the barking, I heard a strange humming noise. I was so freaked out I couldnt move for like 2 minutes after it was gone. And once, I saw a weird shaped logged that looked like a skater falling onto the ground from a heart attack. At the time I shrugged it off. 2 weeks later, I found out a man who works at the roller rink died while skating by a heart attack. And ghosts..sort of hard to say. I've had some encounters and one even gripped my shoulder VERY hard (I had seen that ghost before. Yes, I have the guts to look at them !), and I had to say some weird crap for it to go away. | 2010-04-28 15:42:00 Author: Testudini  Posts: 3262 |
| @Chree Honestly it was definitely not a stereo lol It was like it came from a mouth, the sound was completely clear and there was no other sounds around. I remained awake after that so I would have heard the people behind the stereo at least press stop not to mention walking away. I didn't hear footsteps before or after. Plus there is no one who would have done such a thing. I was the only one in my room even though bunk bed and as far as I know no one else heard it. I have thought a lot about this dream theory myself, there is a state when your body falls asleep but your mind stays awake. This is like heading into lucidity but in the phase between awake and lucidity people say they see/ hear extremely disturbing things. I have personally never pulled off lucidity this way. And also it's much harder to do so at night when we have been awake all day. So I have my doubts about that. I also think if it was a dream the first scream would have woken me up. There was a pause before the second scream so I am not sure what the story is with that. Interestingly folklore says whistling at night summons spirits, is that another link? I had no clue about the swearing thing so that's kind freaky as well. ODD! | 2010-04-28 15:49:00 Author: OneEyedBanshee Posts: 1370 |
| @OEB: That's called Sleep Paralysis. My mum gets that sometimes. She says it's some of the scariest stuff she's ever experienced. It is possible that that's what happened to you. Do you remember if you could move at all during that time? Or maybe during the whole experience you felt a sense of dread for no real reason? Did anything else happen besides the screaming and whistling? Maybe you saw something? | 2010-04-28 15:53:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002 |
| @dandygandy2704 Believe me I would love to put it down to a dream. But I have my doubts. I was awake, as far as I remember. I could see my bedroom darkened. Of course naturally straight after the scream I had strange images whizzing through my head trying to put a face to the noise. As for paralysis, I am not sure. It's so hard to remember, it happened about 7 years ago so my memories of exactly how I moved after aren't really there. The scream took the fore front of importance so all the extras on the side tend to be thrown out over time. I could say I didn't move much, consider it paralyzed with fear but I can't be sure I wasn't moving. I didn't feel stuck so to speak but I didn't move, I didn't want to move, just wanted to curl up under my blanket and escape whatever it was. I didn't see anything strange that seemed real, I could differentiate between my imagination and reality very easily if that's of importance. But of course these things were a bit contorted at the time, what is reality? lol Ok hunted it down happened on a Tuesday night, make that Wednesday morning. | 2010-04-28 16:08:00 Author: OneEyedBanshee Posts: 1370 |
| Sounds like it wasn't SP, then. I think you would remember if it was. For one, there's a difference between being paralysed with fear and actually paralysed. Feeling "stuck" is actually a good way to put it. When SP happens, you want to move, you just can't. Sounds like the exact opposite held true for you. Obviously there was the sense of fear, but that's natural. And I think when SP happens, it's more about seeing than hearing. That's what I gather from what I've read, that is. People see all sorts of strange things, which later become attributed to aliens, ghosts, etc. When my mum was little and she got SP, she thought she was possessed and had her dad take her to a priest to get exorcised. But I'm getting off topic. As far as I can tell, you didn't have sleep paralysis at that time. What did happen I can't say. | 2010-04-28 16:15:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002 |
| This is what i think. Ufo's: no ghosts: no some kind of upper being: no huge ice-creams from space: YEAH!!! | 2010-04-28 17:24:00 Author: Smelling-Cowboy  Posts: 668 |
| Ok, I'll tell you a really freaky story. It's about a ghost I saw which I never believed in tell I saw it myself. Heres a bit of history of this ghost. I live in a town called Coalisland (I know, weird name! Can you guess how the name began?) in Ireland. One of the locals in the 1960s owned a lot of land. Her name was Nora Gilmore, I think. There was a man who (can't remember his name) was a real buisness man and owned most of Coalisland at the time, which was not alot as it was used as a mining town for coal. Nora was tricked into selling the land off to this man, as she had no children and her life was near its end. For years she was sad because of it and soon she passed away. I know it sounds like a movie but all this actually did happen (which is why I love my town) Now the story gets freaky. The man who had bought her land had died in his sleep in 1995. All the townspeople were freaked out by this as the man had always been fit and well. Doctors said that he had died of old age and heart failure. Every Halloween, kids and adults went down to Nora's old house beside her fields and waited for Nora to appear. People did claim to see a ghostly figure but all of this was probably just fake. The rumours kept on going round. Now for what happened... In 2008 more sightings were seen. People were coming from all around County Tyrone to see the ghost. Newspapers published pictures of ghosts in Nora's old house, but these were proven to be photoshoped. Even GMTV (an english tv breakfast show) came over and filmed there, with no luck. My friend and his mum always told me of how they had seen the ghost coming in their car across to my house. I think they saw it two or three times and I just made fun of them. Every time I went over the road from Coalisland to my house I always looked out for it, but I never did see it. Then, while my friend's mum was dropping me home I finally got my wish. It was about half past 9 on a saturday night. There is kind of a hill going down past Nora's house and up again. When we were going down I saw a white figure which glowed as the car's light hit it. It was like a big cloak and a blocky figure to it. I can't remember if it moved, as we drove through pretty fast. When we drived on I asked my friend's mum if see had seen that. She told me she didn't want to say anything when she saw it as she thought I would have been scared. She told me that's what she sees every time she comes over that road. For the rest of the journey I was trembling (ha ha!) while talking to her about what we saw. I was trying not to, but I eventually cryed silently. I couldn't believed I saw it. When we told my family you'd think they would believe you, not laugh at you! I told them to come back up and see for themselves but we didn't see anything. The hype for seeing Nora has died down a bit now. Perhaps she'll show herself again. | 2010-04-28 17:39:00 Author: talbot-trembler  Posts: 1114 |
| Okay, here's my boring explanatory post: Everything that has ever happened that is remotely paranormal/extraterrestrial can be explained by science and logic. Ghosts are usually figments of peoples imaginations, kids messing around with white cloaks and lights or shadows cast by people. The sounds people experience are either: drug induced, wood expanding, an animal walking around, a recording, reverberations, someone watching a film in the other room, A DREAM, radiators warming up... etc. Many UFO sightings have indeed been reported - whether they actually happened is another story. If a UFO is genuinely (let's not forget, UFO does not mean an alien craft - it stands for Unidentified Flying Object) experienced, there are literally thousands of possibilities of what it might be. For instance - when a UFO spotting was first recorded, the pilot of the plane stated that the objects swirling around outside his cockpit looked like "boomerang shaped objects that cut through the air like saucers" but in the paper the headline was something along the lines of "flying saucer!" ever since all reported sightings have been of saucer shaped objects. Coincidence? Alien upgraded technology to a new model? People reading the newspaper and making up stories that sounded like the original encounter? Meh I'm done... I got stuff to do and I don't wanna even get started on theology... EDIT: I do love ghost stories though... | 2010-04-28 17:59:00 Author: Keanster96  Posts: 1436 |
| ^What about personal experiences like feeling someone grab your shoulder, or a picture flying off a mantle? That can't be wood expanding or the imagination. I'll give you the UFO one, though. It really bugs me when people thing UFOs=ALIENS! | 2010-04-28 18:26:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002 |
| Do I believe in UFOs? Why yes, of course. I look up in the sky every night and see a UFO... until it comes close enough for me to see that it's an airplane. A UFO is just that: an Unidentified Flying Object. I believe what you're asking is if there are "little green men" flying around in extraterrestrial spacecraft. And in that case, I say no. I've seen some unexplained phenomena, but no hard empirical evidence that they are not of this world. If anyone could link some of their best, I'd be willing to take a look. Roswell? Don't get me started... As far as ghosts, spirits, etc... the popular sources of "evidence" can typically be found on television and You Tube from popular shows such as Ghost Hunters. The best of this evidence is questionable at the very least, as the most convincing "proof" they typically provide is video evidence from a single camera. (I have yet to see any of these ghosts caught simultaneously on multiple cameras with good lighting and/or energy readings, etc.) The medium for this type of evidence leads a skeptical observer (i.e. myself) to cast rational doubt on the validity of what is presented, specifically as it pertains to the television show itself. What better way to get ratings for a ghost hunting show! In my opinion, most of the video evidence is most likely extremely well edited fakes. When you factor in the suspense of commercial interruption, toss on a "creepy" music soundtrack, and hear testimony from self-proclaimed "experts," it lends itself to a gullible audience that it is, in fact, evidence of ghosts. While shows like this claim to remain completely skeptical, and even throw in those "false positive" shows to this effect, it takes a bit more for me to believe in anything as scientific proof of the existence of ghosts. Also, as far as ghost stories go, they can only be quantified in terms of circumstantial evidence and hearsay. Electronic devices not working? Could be a million things. Strange bumps/sounds in the night? Most of these can be scientifically proven to be produced by the environment. The human brain processes sight and sound in such a way as to best make sense of the information. What could have been a bird might easily be interpreted by your brain to be a very clear human scream. This is not to discount those stories as incorrect at the start, but rather that they lack any actual definitive physical evidence. I recommend those of you haven't already rent and/or own the entirety of the X-Files television series. They cover a wide range of these so-called parapschology topics from both sides, and both Mulder and Scully (the main characters) provide a good balance of belief versus rational explanation. I have borrowed from one of the show's most iconic phrases and adopted it for it's excellent summary of my own personal views: "I want to believe." | 2010-04-28 18:32:00 Author: schm0  Posts: 1239 |
| I completely believe in ghosts. I posted a few experiences in the other thread about paranormal stuff. I think teebonesy posted a link to that one. I've also had sleep paralysis, and that is one of the freakiest phenomenons that I've ever experienced. It's so scary to be able to see your room but not be able to move. I'm a sucker for ghost stories. I'm sure a lot of 'em are made up, but I've had too many weird experiences to dismiss the possibility of ghosts. ^_^ | 2010-04-28 19:13:00 Author: xkappax  Posts: 2569 |
| ^What about personal experiences like feeling someone grab your shoulder, or a picture flying off a mantle? That can't be wood expanding or the imagination. Of course it can. Human perception is a tricky thing y'know, I've seen a hell of a lot of stuff that wasn't really real and I can assure you that what you see, feel, hear is not always exactly what is there. Perceptions is complex, the imagination is powerful and belief is even more so. The human mind is a immensely complex thing and the variance in how it operates under different circumstances is amazing. Now, that' not to say that any of this stuff definitely is not real, but considering this is about parapsychology, which is generally taken to be the scientific study of paranormal effects, lets be rational for a moment here (I know, silly concept, but bear with me). People have been gathering evidence on these subjects for decades and noone has to date come up with any tangible, repeatable, concrete evidence for the existance of ghosts, or psychic powers or any of this stuff. In essence, all of the "evidence" does not bear up to the scrutiny that the rest of the scientific community must bear. But of course, people believe, so evidence is irrelevant. Take the statement of "spirits don't like cursing" as an example here. Where did that come from? What experiments and evidence have been carried out to reach this conclusion? I assume there is a wealth of documented, unambiguous, recorded data to back this up, as it is "common knowledge" In essence, the only thing that we truly know about ghosts, the only thing that is tangible and consistent, the only thing that can honestly be said to be true... is that no-one in this world, to date, has been capable of proving their existance. | 2010-04-28 19:23:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| Not capable of proving their existence? Why, just watch this educational video and you might just change your mind. : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euWOP895q9I | 2010-04-28 19:45:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| Not capable of proving their existence? Why, just watch this educational video and you might just change your mind. : [Video Link Here] I lol'd. Great find. | 2010-04-28 20:06:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002 |
| Psychic powers? The mind is a very powerful tool, if you know how to use it, so maybe. The mind is also very very stupid, and easy to fool if you don't know what you're doing, so maybe not. | 2010-04-28 20:19:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| @Non believers It's true that there are many cases where your explainaions work but you can't simpley generalize that. Maybe you should experience one of the things I did and then tell me again if it's that easy. For my "steps on the carpet" story, the carpet in my old room made a certain noise when you walked over it and it wasn't possible to hear that noise from somewhere outside or a tv. That noise isn't very loud, the windows were closed and everyone was asleep. Besides that I know I was awake because it always took me like an hour to fall asleep back then and I just went to bed before it happened. I never had any perceptional problems and there is nothing else that could explane it. It the same thing with my recorder. There was never any problem with electronic devices in my brothers room only when I used my recorder. It couldn't be that devices fault since I had no problem with it in any other room. I don't think that magnetic fields or anything like that only exert influence on that very device. About the UFO's we all know what that means so you don't have to explane that to us. I'm sure you know what we are trying to say by using that abbreviation or should we alwys write an explaination when we want to say UFO just to let you know that we are meaning alien spaceships? About your doubts because of fakes and all that there are even cases where a whole town saw them and the military chased them with jets. I don't think that such things are fakes or delusions. @UltimateClay Wow we even got an UFO story here! Those are my favourites! It's easier foo witness the day when aliens show themselfs to us and we finaly know they are real for sure! But to be sure can you draw a simple pic how it looked like? Are you sure it wasn't just a plane from the side or something like that? @OneEyedBanshee Did u have any other experience after that happend? Anything weird or unusuall? @talbot-trembler Could you please too give us a picture about that "ghost" or a more detailed discribition? @rtm223 The biggest part of our universe is invisible to us and no one knows what it is good for. Just because you don't see and hear it doesn't mean it's not there. Reality is much more complex then you imagine. Besides, no-one in this world has been capable of proving that ghosts and all that are not existant so far. | 2010-04-28 20:42:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| @rtm223 The biggest part of our universe is invisible to us and no one knows what it is good for. Just because you don't see and hear it doesn't mean it's not there. Reality is much more complex then you imagine. Besides, no-one in this world has been capable of proving that ghosts and all that are not existant so far. Honestly, you sound pretentious and paranoid. How do you disprove anything? I've had conversations like this before on here. Do you know the purpose of proof? It's to prove something exists, it doesn't work the other way. Outside of math, I can't think of ways to disprove things. Can you disprove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster? No, you can't. Therefore, the Flying Spaghetti must exist, right? I think it would be a safe bet to say that 98% of these paranormal activities are just manifestations of your own paranoia. I'm not trying to say that everything that hasn't been proven doesn't exist, but isn't it possible there are much more boring explanations for things moving on their own and seeing things that aren't there? | 2010-04-28 20:57:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| That is something completely different from the "god and the flying spaghettie monster" example. That is completely based on humans imagination compared to paranormal activities. There are even reports from the military and that is very convincing. There are many cases that are just impossible to prove wrong and such things can't be compared to something like the FSM and that's why you can say that you have to prove that it's not real. | 2010-04-28 21:09:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Maybe the FSM is a ghost. What about that, huh? | 2010-04-28 21:14:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002 |
| Let's not start to talk about such nonsence like that. Maybe it's all just a big laugh to some ppl on this forum but there are others like me who had scary experiences or just believe in such things and want to talk about it. | 2010-04-28 21:18:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| I DO believe in UFOS!!!! my friends and parents say I'm crazy to think any of that is actually true, but we can't be the ONLY signs of life in the whole universe if it's infinite Anyway, I have felt ghosts, too. I was in... I can't remember the name of the exact place but I know it was a palace in London, in this hallway with a pic of the ghost IN that hallway, and I felt a gust of wind. I don't know if it was me but it sure felt real.O.o Hampton court palace!!! I got it. Here's a pic of the ghost. *Read the whole story* http://ghosthauntings.org/images/GhostP2.jpg ''It is nearly 500 years since Henry VIII's footsteps echoed down the corridors of Hampton Court Palace. In that time, Hampton Court Palace has become known as one of the most haunted Places in Britain. The restless spirit of the King's executed fifth wife Catherine Howard reportedly has been seen by several visitors, sometimes uttering terrible cries. Never before, however, has anything truly suspicious been captured on film. The mystery surfaced two months ago at the 16th century Palace. On several occasions, security guards heard alarms ringing near an exhibition hall, indicating that fire doors had been opened. But on investigation they found the doors closed. Confused, they examined CCTV footage, and that is when it got spooky. The cameras showed the heavy doors flying open for no apparent reason. When it happened a second time, they were astonished to see a figure in period dress appear on the screen and close the door. The doors opened a third time the next day, but the figure was not seen. A palace guard said: "I was shocked when the camera footage showed an eerie figure in period dress in the doorway. It was incredibly spooky because the face just didn't look human. "My first reaction was that someone was having a laugh, so I asked my colleagues to take a look. We spoke to our costumed guides, but they don't own a costume like that worn by the figure. It is actually quite unnerving." An Australian tourist had also noted in the visitor book that she had seen a ghost near the exhibition area when the incident happened. Dr Richard Wiseman, a psychologist and expert on haunting from the University of Hertfordshire, said: "If this is a ghost, it's one of the best images ever. What's good about it is that it's not ambiguous, it's clearly a solid figure, not blurry and not a reflection. Also, it is doing something that has an effect on the real world, closing a door. "The main thing is that this is a moving film which is much harder to fake." Dr Wiseman, a sceptic when it comes to the supernatural, said it was possible that the figure was a hoax or an oddly dressed member of the public. "Of course, it may be a ghost that just doesn't like draughts," he said. The palace, in West London, has ruled out its guides as suspects because they do not enter that part of the building. '' | 2010-04-28 21:18:00 Author: ExplosiveCheddar  Posts: 978 |
| right okay believe what you want, but just remember sometimes people only "see" what they want to see. | 2010-04-28 21:23:00 Author: Keanster96 Posts: 1436 |
| right okay believe what you want, but just remember sometimes people only "see" what they want to see. Or what other people want them to see | 2010-04-28 22:17:00 Author: ARD Posts: 4291 |
| There are many cases that are just impossible to prove wrong and such things can't be compared to something like the FSM and that's why you can say that you have to prove that it's not real. Sorry, are you saying that there is absolute, solid proof of ghosts? Or there is solid proof that there are some things we cannot explain using modern science? The two are not the same. From what you have written there you clearly don't understand the philosophical significance of the FSM and Russels teapot. The whole point of them is to underline the difference between something you can prove and something you cannot disprove. The difference is immense. Any rational, logical, intelligent human understands that the philosophic burden of proof lies with the believer. There is no difference here. Reality is much more complex then you we imagine Fixed for you I agree, the boundaries of human knowledge are ever expanding:Up to the twentieth century, "reality" was everything humans could touch, smell, see, and hear. Since the initial publication of the chart of the electromagnetic spectrum ... humans have learned that what they can touch, smell, see, and hear is less than one-millionth of reality. It's a interesting quote and highlights the point you are trying to make. Ironically, the implications also undermine your entire viewpoint. We don't know everything despite the fact that the nature of reality as we currently understand it is mind-boggling (have you ever tried to wrap your head around the fact that solid objects are almost entirely empty space?). The very fact that there is more to reality than we undestand is reason to not jump to conclusions and not to go for blind belief over keeping an open mind and searching for proof. Science *knows* it doesn't know everything, otherwise it would stop. . . . Just because science doesn't know everything doesn't mean that you can fill in the gaps with whatever fairy tale most appeals to you In fairness, I'm of the viewpoint that people are free to believe what they want to believe. People across the world blindly believe in all manner of things that all rational thought tells us is nonsense. That is their right, and your right as well. Just don't expect people to agree with it just because you had an experience that creeped you out. We've all had them, we just didn't jump to conclusions about them Anyone got any werewolf stories? | 2010-04-28 23:02:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| There's supposedly a werewolf about 25 minutes from my house in Elkhorn, WI. Google "Beast of Bray Road" if you want to read about it. I've yet to experience anything paranormal personally. | 2010-04-28 23:12:00 Author: Morgana25  Posts: 5983 |
| Let's try to keep this from becoming a theological debate. It happened before in another paranormal thread, and things didn't work out so well. I would like to talk a bit more about my own night-time experiences, as I've had many terrifying nights in my years, and I've learned a lot about how the mind works by going through them. These are lessons that can be very valuable to others, so if you've had similar experiences, pay attention! - I have regular sleeping paralysis. It occurs at least once in something like 90% of people sometime during their lives. Less common is those for whom it happens regularly. I'm one of those. For me it's always unpleasant. But some are way easier to handle than others. It's the ones that end nightmares that really freak me out. Usually in the nightmare you're faced with some unbearable horror, you're jerked out of the dream and into a half-awake paralyzed state. Now we get into some very, very strange occurences. I don't always realize that I'm only half awake. Oftentimes during this period I'll hallucinate some very mundane things, and they're often with my eyes open. I'll think that I'm lifting my arm up. But then I blink, or "snap to", and realize that my arm didn't move at all, it's still lying by my side. I'll hallucinate that my girlfriend is talking to me, or shaking me awake - then I'll realize none of this has happened. Sometimes I've hallucinated a freakish, dark entity in the room, in the corner or at the foot of the bed. A couple of times I couldn't breathe and saw this entity crushing my chest. These are shared occurences. Many, many, many people have them. Nearly every detail related above is shared across people who deal with sleeping paralysis. It's a parasomnia - a sleeping condition. Someone before, I think it was rtm223, mentioned that the brain is easily tricked. Ebeneezer Scrooge said it best. Why does he doubt his senses? "Because," said Scrooge, "a little thing affects them. A slight disorder of the stomach makes them cheats. You may be an undigested bit of beef, a blot of mustard, a crumb of cheese, a fragment of an underdone potato. There's more of gravy than of grave about you, whatever you are!" I'll overlook the fact that he's talking to an actual ghost here. His reasoning is sound and true! It's a fact that in certain conditions, the brain operates very differently. Certain parts get turned off when we're dreaming. These need to be activated when we're awake, otherwise things we subconsciously imagine will be presented to us as reality. These are sometimes called hypnagogic hallucinations, when you're half asleep or sleep deprived, and begin to hallucinate. Our brains all work the same way, have the same structures. As a result, many people who share the same parasomnias will experience startlingly similar events. The brain may be easier to "trick" than you realize. Has anyone here heard of the "Ganzfield Procedure"? What if I told you right now that you could trick your brain into having full-blown hallucinations? If you could trick your brain into thinking your friend's nose was an extension of your own? That a fake hand was your actual hand (to the extent you can even feel it if someone hits it with a hammer). Have fun! (http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/graphics/011109_hacking_your_brain/) Now, I'm not an expert on a lot of this stuff. I do consider myself HIGHLY experienced when it comes to strange experiences in bed at night. If it just so happens that your paranormal experiences happened while you were lying in bed at night, there is a very strong chance that parts of your brain are operating differently - certain imagined things will seem real, certain real events may seem enhanced or twisted somehow (as with sounds). When you're sober and you hear a tv in the other room, you can pick out what it is and what's happening. But if you're falling asleep, the sounds of the tv become quite abstract. It's the same with many psychedelic drugs. You do certain drugs and try to watch tv, and discover that in fact it's impossible. It's just an electric box outputting strange, undecipherable sounds and light. I urge people to keep in mind that the reality we live in is fundamentally tied to our own perception. The world a schizophrenic inhabits is a starkly different world than I inhabit. I have been tricked by myself at night, even when I was SURE I was fully awake and sober, more times than I can count. The more mundane, the more tricky - the sound of my girlfriend's voice, the sight of my hand moving, or even myself getting up and walking around. A couple times I witnessed the very moment my body fell asleep. I lay there in bed, drifting off into a cozy slumber, my brain positively buzzing with exhaustion, when suddenly, before even falling asleep, my body seizes up into paralysis. Another time I jerked out of a sleep paralysis, gasping and frightened and relieved to be awake and alive. In my sighing relief, I plopped face-down into my pillow. On impact, I was paralyzed again. For about 30 seconds I tried not to panic and breathed slowly into my pillow to keep myself from suffocating. This is crucial: The fear is real. We can go to great extents to try and disprove the existence of ghosts or other paranormal events, but that doesn't make the experiences less scary for the person going through it. In fact, there's a parasomnia called the night terror. This is distinct from a nightmare. It's more common in children, and VERY rarely remembered. It happens during deep sleep, not dreaming sleep. There is no dream associated with a night terror. It is simply the disembodied sensation of absolute and prolonged fear. Oftentimes the person experiencing it will shriek in a terrified agony for minutes on end and then fall back into slumber. Some people experience this on a regular basis. There is, in fact, a way for our brains to tap into the PURE emotion of fear, to realize its fullest disembodied potential. That considerably raises the stakes when experiencing "ghosts" or "paranormal events" - however real or unreal they may be. The fact is, when it comes to strange, unexplained events, it's our own minds that are the really frightening wilderness. Acknowledging this fact doesn't make the experiences any less frightening or any less important. Quite to the contrary, in my eyes. | 2010-04-28 23:27:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| I do consider myself HIGHLY experienced when it comes to strange experiences in bed at night. I'll just leave this here... And in regards to the less interesting ( ) words in the rest of your post, I think I used to experience this sleep paralysis.. when I was like 5, or 6. And it happened a lot. I would just wake up, and I would know that I was awake, but I couldn't move. Often I couldn't even open my eyes. I think my solution was just screaming until Mom came and told me to shut the hell up. I guess these would more specifically be the 'night terrors' that you talked about, but I was fully aware of what was happening. It was maaaddd scary.Freaky ****. Doesn't happen anymore, which is good because I'm always rushing out of bed to get to school on time. | 2010-04-28 23:45:00 Author: monstahr Posts: 1361 |
| About 1 year ago, I experienced something really incredible and scary! :eek: One day, when I came back home, I have been kidnapped by strange little creatures, and they completely brain-washed and enslaved me. I've lost my reason, my freedom, and my life completely changed since then, ... ....yeah, sometime I regret the day I bought Little Big Planet.... (sorry, bad humor attempt) | 2010-04-29 00:00:00 Author: dajdaj03  Posts: 1486 |
| I don't always realize that I'm only half awake. Oftentimes during this period I'll hallucinate some very mundane things, and they're often with my eyes open. I'll think that I'm lifting my arm up. But then I blink, or "snap to", and realize that my arm didn't move at all, it's still lying by my side. I'll hallucinate that my girlfriend is talking to me, or shaking me awake - then I'll realize none of this has happened. Sometimes I've hallucinated a freakish, dark entity in the room, in the corner or at the foot of the bed. A couple of times I couldn't breathe and saw this entity crushing my chest. This sort of thing is very common especially in mild cases. I (and several people I know) have experienced hallucinations whilst in bed and awake, typically that a jumper over a chair is in fact a person sitting at the end of the bed watching. Typically these are momentary and as the mind takes in the entire scene relatively and realises what is really there. But initially you see the shapes of the clothing and chair and fill in the blanks. That momentary perception is enough to kick in the "fight or flight" response, generally leading to intense panic. The sort of "filling in the gaps" hallucination is very common, far more common than the kind of hallucination where you see things that aren't there. One example I did have was similar to the one above, I was in bed but there was no chair in the room, just a blank wall. I wasn't asleep and had only been in bed for a short while, so was well away from sleep. I saw a man standing at the end of the bed and this lasted for a good few seconds. I was petrified, but when I blinked he was gone. Does this count as a "paranormal" experience? Hell no. I'm far more inclined to believe that my perception was twisted than that there was a ghost standing there. Another major concept is the power of suggestion on the human perception. This is very apparent when experiencing hallucinations while taking psychotropic substances. If you are scared / nervous about having a bad time, you are liable to find it to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Suggestion also works between people too, and groups of people halucinating the same thing is very common. This is simply because discussion of what's going on leads one person to tell the other what they are experiencing and then they start to experience the same thing. Now, obviously some of you are going to think that it's just because of the drugs and of course that enhances the effect, but often the mind perceives what it expects to perceive. Just think about every optical illusion you know of: most stem from the fact that the mind "fills in the gaps" with some preconditioned expectation. The obvious implication from these points is that if one believes they are going to experience the paranormal, they are far more likely to interpret mundane things as paranormal. Much as the jumper on the chair takes on the appearance of a person because of the association between the chair / clothing / person, normal sounds and shapes around you may become twisted from what they really are. The mind primes associations in various situations and your interpretations of what you see are very much shaped by your own metal state. Yep, the psychology of perception is indeed very interesting and complex! And I'm so getting myself a rubber hand this weekend | 2010-04-29 00:10:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| @rtm223 I never said that there is solid proof I said that there are enough happenings and things that are too imense to be just an idea of a twisted mind or religion. The problem is that you don't see my point and that is because you don't know much about parapsychology I guess. It's not always some hocus-pocus! At least not when it comes to UFO's or aliens because there are many examples no one can explain. Not the military and not science and you would be very full of yourself if you say that you can tell that it all is just the same unreal [stuff] as religion. Btw why don't you stop telling everyone why they are wrong or why their experiences are nothing special? | 2010-04-29 01:13:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Let's not start to talk about such nonsence like that. Maybe it's all just a big laugh to some ppl on this forum but there are others like me who had scary experiences or just believe in such things and want to talk about it. I just want to clear something up. I wasn't trying to disprove anything or make light of anything you've experience. Like I said before (maybe not clearly) I believe in this paranormal stuff. I was just trying to diffuse a situation I could see coming that could have turned ugly. Blame my poor sense of humour. I apologize if I made it sound any way other than that. | 2010-04-29 01:57:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002 |
| @rtm223 I never said that there is solid proof I said that there are enough happenings and things that are too imense to be just an idea of a twisted mind or religion. The problem is that you don't see my point and that is because you don't know much about parapsychology I guess. It's not always some hocus-pocus! At least not when it comes to UFO's or aliens because there are many examples no one can explain. Not the military and not science and you would be very full of yourself if you say that you can tell that it all is just the same unreal [stuff] as religion. Btw why don't you stop telling everyone why they are wrong or why their experiences are nothing special? Oh, this is going nowhere fast. Rtm's just saying that our perception of reality is unreliable at best. Don't get offended. Honestly, I think you want to believe that your experiences were special, but you're either lying to yourself or delusional. | 2010-04-29 02:54:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| I saw ghosts at night as a kid in my mirror; but recently I read it was common for indigos to be seeing such things. As for ghosts? Well, I don't really know what they are or how they got here, but I'm sure it's all true. The worst thing you could do is go on Youtube while still deciding whether you believe in ghosts or not and look up footage of them. 99.9% of the paranormal Youtube videos are horse****, and you'll run into nothing but pop-ups. | 2010-04-29 02:58:00 Author: Voodeedoo  Posts: 724 |
| I think it's quite possible to have a full discussion and sharing of stories of paranormal events without getting into religion and belief. BUT! I don't think it's possible without getting into perception and the mind. Parapsychologists tend to focus mainly on just the types of things that distort sensory perception and a lucid experience of 'normal' reality - for example - float tanks and the Ganzfield Procedure, which I linked to above, have both been utilized by parapsychologists in studying ESP. It's one thing both parapsychologists and skeptics will agree on - that there is at least a large overlap between many paranormal experiences and "altered-state" experiences. | 2010-04-29 03:03:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| @Non believers It's true that there are many cases where your explainaions work but you can't simpley generalize that. Maybe you should experience one of the things I did and then tell me again if it's that easy. I don't think anyone here can claim with any validity that these things simply do not exist. Rather, it is much easier to make the argument of the skeptic: to cast rational doubt on those subjects that lack factual (read: empirical) evidence. The human being as an instrument of science is hardly a reliable source of empirical evidence, especially when describing experiences in the first person. This is why they do not perform psychology experiments and drug tests on individuals, but instead on large segments of the general public. The information from a single source is simply not good enough. I do not doubt the conviction of people who have experienced events in their lives (the story) and their belief in the alleged source (the "ghost") of that experience. However, a single person's story and experience do not qualify as actual proof. I look at things like what you describe and say to myself, "Wow, that's wierd. I wonder what could have caused that?" The supernatural cause is the furthest thing from my mind at that point. Others are quick to jump to those conclusions. For instance, when you hear something strange and say out loud, "Hey, what was that?" I guarantee that at least once in your life you've heard yourself or someone else respond thus: "Huh. Must've been a ghost." It's a much easier conclusion than wracking your brain over a possible scientific explanation for what you may have heard. (Or, more importantly, what your brain interpreted the audio to be.) It's incredibly easy to fool the senses, even more so when our focus is on other things, when we least expect it. Just ask any horror film director. Another example from one a fellow poster: Anyway, I have felt ghosts, too... and I felt a gust of wind. I don't know if it was me but it sure felt real. The conclusion is not based on fact, but rather personal experience. She even goes so far to describe it as a "gust of wind" and that she didn't know if "it was me", i.e. her senses being fooled. However, this does not discount the validity and conviction in what she believes was the cause. Without empirical evidence, we can not say which "cause" is for certain. Personally, I am more likely to believe that it was nothing more than a slight breeze. About the UFO's we all know what that means so you don't have to explane that to us.I'm sure you know what we are trying to say by using that abbreviation or should we alwys write an explaination when we want to say UFO just to let you know that we are meaning alien spaceships? I disagree. I feel that most people assume that the term "UFO" references the more colloquial meaning of the word, which is why there have been several posts clarifying that. I use the term literally. Furthermore, spaceships piloted by extra-terrestrial aliens infers that they are no longer "unidentified." About your doubts because of fakes and all that there are even cases where a whole town saw them and the military chased them with jets. I don't think that such things are fakes or delusions.It's not about who or how many saw the lights in the sky, it's about what they actually saw. I have regular sleeping paralysis... A couple of times I couldn't breathe and saw this entity crushing my chest. Wasn't sure if you knew this, but the condition is so common that it is popularly attributed to be the source of the mythical succubi of lore (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Succubus). The rest of your post touched on a lot of the points I made above. I couldn't agree more. | 2010-04-29 03:14:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| @dandygandy2704 Oh ok, I really missunderstood that. ^^ @Awesomemans Don't get me wrong. It's not like I don't want to think about any other explainations for what happend to me. I thought that through many times but there is simple nothing that can explain it. Nothing that was mentioned in this thread so far fits. @schm078 I would never say it was a ghost at first. As you may noticed I asked those who told their stories if there could be other reasons for what happend or I gave them examples for possible expainations. Usually I only believe in facts (that's why I don't believe in god) but when it comes to parapsychology I just want to consider that things beyond our knowledge could be possible. Besides that I'm searching for answers to my questions about reality. | 2010-04-29 03:41:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| @rtm223 ...It's not always some hocus-pocus! At least not when it comes to UFO's or aliens because there are many examples no one can explain. Not the military and not science... @schm078 I would never say it was a ghost at first. As you may noticed I asked those who told their stories if there could be other reasons for what happend or I gave them examples for possible expainations. That's just it... you can't quantify a rational explanation without having measured that phenomenon outside the realm of their own experience. Usually I only believe in facts (that's why I don't believe in god) but when it comes to parapsychology I just want to consider that things beyond our knowledge could be possible. Besides that I'm searching for answers to my questions about reality.I would just warn you to not present yourself with a "false choice." Just because an explanation is not provided by military aviation experts, educated scientists, or religious scholars it does not mean that "ghosts" or "alien spaceships" is the only other alternative. Otherwise they would call them TDKWIWSIMBA's. (They Didn't Know What It Was So It Must Be Aliens) See also: Pareidolia, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia) Herd Mentality (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_mentality), | 2010-04-29 03:59:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| @Chree: The stuff that is unexplained is unexplained, like I already said. Automatically attributing the unexplained things to some intangible and undetectable entity, whose very existance is well within reasonable doubt, is not parapsychology. It's exactly the same argument as religious people present (science can't explain it [yet], it must be god). Now, I'm not telling you that ghosts don't exist (we've already discussed that such an assertion is impossible to make), but within those wide realms of possible explanations, including all the things we don't yet understand properly, there is a stong chance that in most cases, something far more mundane is the most likely cause. Is that such an unreasonable viewpoint? Edit - Darn, schwem got there first! Plus, as Teebonesy is saying, the concept of perception is central to all paranormal experiences (even genuine ones), especially those involving "ghosts" (the most common).To disniss skepticism and rational discussion about the alternatives to the paranormal reduces the entire thread from a sensible discussion about parapsychology down to telling ghost stories around the camp fire. | 2010-04-29 04:07:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| I use to think I'd get paralyzed, too, but then I thought that maybe it was all in my head and I just chose not to move. EDIT: Wow, I just realized how random this seems. This is in response to Teebonesy's sleep paralysis. | 2010-04-29 04:23:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Someone mentioned the 'crushing' nightmare associated with some sleep paralysis to be attributed in folklore to a "succubus". I've heard it described as an incubus, a demon, a hag, and likewise others. This is such a common phenomenon that across the world there are nearly identical folk tales explaining it. One such story claims that the demon possesses the sleeper while they dream, and when you are paralyzed and witness the beast on your chest, you are catching a glimpse of the act of demonic possession. Henry Fuseli painted this famous image called "The Nightmare", which shows the Hag in all its spine-tingling effrontery to goodness. The "night mare" is present too, its empty eyes and inky head peering from behind the bed drapes. *shudder* http://imgur.com/nWQvI.jpg | 2010-04-29 04:47:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| One question. When did I ever mention that it was a ghost for sure because nothing could explain it? I only said that nothing could explain it and that it could be possible that it was a ghost. | 2010-04-29 11:36:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Well, you didn't use those words, but you heavily implied it: I also had some experience with "ghosts" [continues describe steps on the carpet] For my "steps on the carpet" story ... there is nothing else that could explane it. Now, I undestand the ghost in quotations is intended to add some doubt to exactly what qualifies as a "ghost", but it's still very much jumping to conclusions. You very much promote the experience as something that can be simply attributed to an undisclosed fantastical entity, even if you don't say it exactly. Maybe you should experience one of the things I did and then tell me again if it's that easy. That the steps on the carpet is a very common thing that in so many cases has been demonstrated to have perfectly rational physical explanations. I've experienced the sounds of someone walking in my home at night (I think pretty much everyone has), multiple times I've got up to investigate and there was nothing there. I can't tell you what the cause was - I don't know for sure, but I can tell you now, as Teebonesy mentioned before, the fear in that situation is very real - it certainly "done give me the heebie jeebies", so maybe it was a ghost. So, let me ask you, in all seriousness, do you think that that experience here can arguably be attributed to a "ghost" (or something else "paranormal") as a reasonable explanation? Is my previous example (the guy in my room), vivid enough to count in this? | 2010-04-29 13:07:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| I think it's a give-in that I like ghosts, considering the subject matter of the comic I write, and the fact that my character in LBP is "Box Ghost" ... I personally think it's more fun to believe that ghosts are doing creepy things, rather than explaining it away with something rational, but that's just my take on it. ^__^ It seems so much cooler to think that disembodied footsteps are created by a spoooooooky dead person than by the settling of an old, creaky house. Even if someone offered me proof that ghosts didn't exist, I'd probably still believe in them. And it's not because I'm stupid or stubborn or anything. It's just that being rational all the time and disproving everything is extremely depressing to me. Without magical things to believe in, this world really sucks. Does that make any sense? I'm very tired, so there's a good chance I'm talking nonsense. Anyway, yay ghosts! ^__^ | 2010-04-29 13:36:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| Anyway, yay ghosts! ^__^ I like box ghosts! I've seen one quite a few times! | 2010-04-29 13:46:00 Author: jwwphotos  Posts: 11383 |
| I've heard that a Box Ghost is going to haunt your pod tonight, actually. | 2010-04-29 14:10:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| LOL!! I've heard that as well! | 2010-04-29 14:13:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| It's just that being rational all the time and disproving everything is extremely depressing to me. Without magical things to believe in, this world really sucks. I'm just the opposite as I see a lot paranormal cases as exciting mysteries to solve! Like I have a laundry chute in my home and when I first moved in, I was surprised that it would occasionally slam shut immediately after you opened it. Now, I'm a very skeptical person, so I didn't think it was a real ghost or anything, but the image of some undead spirit shutting it did float into my head. However, I found it exciting to actually walk through my home, study the way air flowed through it and figure out why it was being pulled shut. It's probably because I'm a nerd, but I love solving stuff like that! It makes the world more interesting for me. | 2010-04-29 15:08:00 Author: mrsupercomputer  Posts: 1335 |
| mrsupercomputer, I totally understand that! My husband is the same exact way. When my husband moved into my house with me after we got married, he started hearing this really weird noise in the bedroom. It sounded like someone knocking on the wall. He actually said that he couldn't figure it out and that it might be a ghost. LOL. The one who figured out the rational explanation was actually me in this situation, though. I discovered that it was the air conditioning unit coming on. The central air sounded like someone knocking on the bedroom wall! :O Then there's the other side of the coin. Years ago, I was with my first boyfriend, showing him my grandmother's house. It was shortly after she passed away and I wanted him to see how creepy it was. There were all sorts of weird little secret rooms in her house for some reason. One room in the attic led to a small opening that had a large empty wooden crate in it. Well, empty except for a plastic toy indian for some reason. ... So, we're walking around in the attic and we walked past this closet that was in the hallway. It was a tiny closet, and I knew for a fact that it was empty. As we were walking past it, a deafening banging noise came from inside the closet. It was like a professional wrestler were trapped in there, trying to get out. The two of us ran and got the hell out of there. We were the only ones in the house, and I never was able to explain what made that noise. Could be ghosts, could be something else, I dunno. I like to think it was a ghost, though. | 2010-04-29 15:17:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| Clearly, kappa, the ghost of an Indian was trapped in that toy and wanted out. Or not. I could be wrong. | 2010-04-29 15:29:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002 |
| When did this thread turn into a 'proof please' flamewar. Ghosts, aliens, etc. So I just skip those posts But to be sure can you draw a simple pic how it looked like? Are you sure it wasn't just a plane from the side or something like that? sure! if I remember that is. I have a very bad memory | 2010-04-29 15:37:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262 |
| It happens every time a thread like this pops up. The trick is getting past it so that the thread isn't closed. | 2010-04-29 15:41:00 Author: dandygandy2704 Posts: 1002 |
| This was my post from the last paranormal thread. I'm far too lazy to type it again, so it's cut and paste for meee! I was a total skeptic before this happened: My friend Lisa's sister got in a car accident when I was about 14 or 15 years old. She was unharmed, but I was over her house helping my friend Lisa clean out her wrecked car and get some stuff in order. Lisa and I were alone in the house. I was standing in her kitchen and I asked her if I could have a candy bar. The case of candy bars was sitting by the fridge. When I walked over there, I turned quickly and there was a person standing there. He was wearing a sweater and had a very pale face. It looked as if he was going up the stairs and i had interrupted him. My first thought was that someone was in the house. I turned to my friend to tell her that someone was in the house, and turned back and it was gone. We checked the whole house, but the doors were locked and we were home alone. It was extremely scary. I've seen other things too... but that experience was what made me truly believe in ghosts. | 2010-04-29 16:03:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| Wow, ARD, that's really creepy and cool at the same time! | 2010-04-29 18:31:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| ARD is a german tv channel! xDDD @rtm223 I wouldn't say that it was a ghost for sure. If the steps come from somewhere in your house and not from the very room you're in that could have different reasons. Also the sound of normal steps can get mistaken very easily so I would only think about the possibility of a ghost when any other source seems impossible. Even then it's just a possibility. That is why I think a ghost is a possible explaination for what happened to me because there is nothing that can explain it. The noise was right behind me, it couldn't be mistaken for something else because there was nothing in my room that could make a sound like that and I knew all the noises in my room and what it sounds like in the night, such a gentle noise can't come from another room or a neighbour because you couldn't hear that then, no one opend or closed the door, I was wide awake and had no sanitary problems and it happend only once in all the years I lived there. All these facts make it possible that it was a ghost. I can't think of anything that could made such a gentle and special noise or made me hear it so what explaination could there be? @UltimateClay You are right! To fill the whole thread with that discussion is not the point of this thread. I hope you post that pic soon! I am very curious about it! @xkappax Wow you have a lot of those scary stories to tell! ^.^ I like that! | 2010-04-29 22:49:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| I'd like to tell a little story about myself, memory, and hindsight. Star Wars Episode 1 was starting, and I had my opening night ticket. It was a long line-up. It was a long wait. Many years earlier, I used to listen to Weird Al's "Yoda" and just dream about the day that new Star Wars movies would come out. The movie was... a tricky experience. I went with a couple of guys who weren't big Star Wars fans at all. They quite enjoyed the movie. Loved the visuals and light saber fights and pod races. They had a great time. I found myself agreeing, though my feeling about the movie was... troubled. More nuanced than I had any willingness to analyze. I found myself convincing myself it was pretty good. My friends were right. The pod race was awesome. Those light saber fights were incredible. The music was great. The "mission" where they have to do... something... was exciting. That was a good movie! The more time that went by, the easier it was for me to remember it fondly. I didn't go to see it a second time, nor did I bother to buy, rent, or otherwise watch it on video. Just my own memory of how cool and fun that movie was. I could even cite all sorts of specific examples, like the pod race, and the light saber battles. Those giant fish, man, those were cool too. This happens all the time with memory. We're able to dig around in our memory, to relive experiences, and pick out certain details in our attempts to categorize and conclude. But there's one major problem here. I watched Episode 1 again. Some time later, I watched it again. I sat through the whole rotten thing, all by myself. And I couldn't see a single redeeming thing. Nothing. It was awful. It was beyond awful. I hated it with every ounce of my being. How did I go from digging through the details of my memory and concluding it was a fun movie, to hating it passionately? Simply because of this one fact: What we have in our memories is different from what was actually there. We tend to point our analysis toward the conclusion we prefer, which is almost always a subconscious act. You fundamentally don't realize that you're doing it. Unfortunately, when it comes to memories, we don't always have the convenience of pulling out the old VHS tape to play it back exactly as it was. So we're left a few steps back, back where we believe earnestly and honestly that The Phantom Menace was REALLY COOL. Just food for thought! Regarding the "Who put Bella in the Wych Elm" story... how cool is that! And how often do you see a WWII-era supernatural scary story? You get stuff like the prologue to Hell Boy, and Wolfenstein, stuff that plays with Hitler's occult research. But I'm talking about something more classical - an eerie story of a ghostly haunting or some European folkloric eeriness, but set during WWII. Honestly, I think the doors on that setting are just waiting to be blown open. Maybe Pan's Labyrinth counts? Actually, technically I made a 1940s ghost story (short film called Edward Cole (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1423365/)), but it takes place in the late 40s, after the war, and wasn't meant to be of the creepy sort. | 2010-04-30 00:05:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| looked something like this, cant exactly remember tho. I saw it from the bottom btw and it moved slower than an airplane http://i471.photobucket.com/albums/rr79/UltimateClay/ufodesc.png | 2010-04-30 00:35:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262 |
| That looks weird. o.O Are those lights? If not wouldn't that be more then just one object? Can you tell us how big it was? Simply because of this one fact: What we have in our memories is different from what was actually there. We tend to point our analysis toward the conclusion we prefer, which is almost always a subconscious act. You fundamentally don't realize that you're doing it. Unfortunately, when it comes to memories, we don't always have the convenience of pulling out the old VHS tape to play it back exactly as it was. So we're left a few steps back, back where we believe earnestly and honestly that The Phantom Menace was REALLY COOL. The only problem with my experience is that I thought about the possible explainations I mentioned in this thread back then already. So this doesn't count for my experience. | 2010-04-30 01:40:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Chree, here's one for you. This is something else rather freaky that happened to me. Pasted from an older thread on this site: I'm not proud of this, but I used to use the Ouija board a lot when I was younger. I have always loved ghosts, but I thought of your "Scooby Doo" type ghosts when I thought of ghosts. I didn't think of demons or evil spirits or anything like that. Most of the time, my friends would just push the pointer to spell out dirty things and they would have a good laugh about it. But there was one day that the thing was spelling out really weird things. It predicted some really strange things. First, it predicted that this guy I liked but didn't even know was going to come over my house on August 2nd. My friends happened to run into him at a church bazaar on august 2nd and they ended up bringing him to my house. And these weren't even the friends who were with me when it named that date. It also told me that in late July something bad was going to happen to me. It was going to involve a car and I was going to be "hurt, but not too seriously" ... To be honest, I put the ouija board prediction about the car completely out of my mind. On July 25th, 1993, I was involved in a pretty bad car accident. I was going to my mother's school with her and someone hit us because the jerks weren't paying attention. I wasn't wearing a seatbelt and I hit the windshield. It was terrifying. A few days later (August 2nd) when the boy I liked showed up at my house just like the ouija board predicted, i got extremely freaked out. I guess it could have been a coincidence or whatever, but it was extremely freaky! | 2010-04-30 01:50:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| That looks weird. o.O Are those lights? If not wouldn't that be more then just one object? Can you tell us how big it was? Lights, soundless, and looked way bigger than your average airplane up in the air. | 2010-04-30 01:58:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262 |
| When did this thread turn into a 'proof please' flamewar. Ghosts, aliens, etc. We were asked to share our beliefs, and that's what we did. I didn't see anyone flaming per se, just a friendly argument. Am I missing something? Besides, the burden of proof is on the believer. | 2010-04-30 02:16:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| @xkappax Woah that's really odd! Usually I don't believe in those boards since I visited an occultism course and learned about all that but that story is very crazy! o.O Hmm well maybe it really was coincidence but that would be a really big one. @UltimateClay That sounds frightning! Where do you live exactly? @schm0 Of course everyone can share his believes but that discussion already filled several pages of this thread and that is a bit too much. :/ Not only the believers have to proof something if there is "evidence" the non believers have to proof wrong. | 2010-04-30 04:39:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Wowowow I didn't mean to offend/upset/annoy/chuck Norris anyone, as I personally love ghost stories. Please continue and ignore my previous posts if you must. | 2010-04-30 17:08:00 Author: Keanster96 Posts: 1436 |
| @UltimateClay That sounds frightning! Where do you live exactly? In a quiet neighborhood, not to far from an airport and the city where people drive to work and crash their cars every day | 2010-04-30 17:37:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262 |
| Well so far the chat has been about ghosts and aliens. I'm going to try move it into a different field I am curious about. Telepathy or being psychic. What do people think of this phenomenon. Now I personally never experience this but that kind of tale of you think of someone and the phone rings, it's them. I am not talking about people who call themselves psychics or your experiences or opinions on them, what have YOU predicted that came true and do you think it was more paranormal or just luck. I personally never get that phone ring thing, I have however gotten something similar, I'll think of some obscure character I may not even know by name, perhaps a person I used to see frequently on the bus but haven't seen them in ages. Then the next day they pop up. I don't know if this is psychic so to speak but maybe we all think of people, familiar or not and it just so happens we remember the ones that follow up. Perhaps I have thought of 1000 people and just forgotten all those thoughts but the one that actually showed up the next day stays with me. I don't know if that is really the case, it's very hard to tell as well I really just cannot remember. I'm sure someone else understands this more or has the explanation so please elaborate. Then there's the other thought maybe I just didn't notice them but I find that very hard to believe. About a year ago, I seen a crow land on the pillar in between my house and my neighbors. I have seen a million crows but for some reason this one just popped a thought into my head, death. I didn't know who or what but just the vibe something died popped into my head. I remembered where this thought came from then. I have a step dad so my biological father is someone I don't really know nor do I want to. He is an alcoholic who I never really understood or wanted to really. He left before I was one and my step dad was the one there for my first steps, first words etc so as far as I'm concerned I already had a dad. Who was this man? Well my sister was about 5 when he left so she thought of him as daddy and I tagged along in I guess an effort to let me get to know my biological father. He was strange to me, genuinely I didn't feel any connection with him, my brothers and sisters say he didn't like me as he always snapped at me and treated me like I was unimportant to him. Which doesn't surprise me given what he was like when my mother fell pregnant with me. She was accused of cheating and I think since he made that accusation I was in some sort of black list. Not that I care. On one of my little trips to his house we were in the kitchen. He started telling me this story which apparently entertains a child my age at the time lol. I guess I was about 5 and it was a tale of how he seen a crow hanging around outside the day his dad died. When he seen the crow he just knew his dad was dead. Then he got a call from the hospital and the news was confirmed etc etc. This story didn't really creep me out or anything but it seems to have stayed with me over the years. I haven't communicated with him in years at this point. So when I caught wind of where this death vibe thought came from I dismissed it. I thought if it came from him no way it could mean anything. The day continued as usual and I went to bed completely forgetting about the crow. The next day I get up and head downstairs and find a rather solemn looking mother. Turns out my neighbor died. Now the crow appeared in the middle of out houses so it could have been for either of us. It wasn't that shocking as he was an old man but he didn't come to mind whatsoever when I first seen the crow, not that anyone did. Kind of a kick in the teeth like I shouldn't completely discredit my biological father. He is still out there. Coincidence? | 2010-04-30 17:46:00 Author: OneEyedBanshee Posts: 1370 |
| Things like psychic powers and telepathy is what I believe in the fewest. No one ever could prove that he was psychic when he/she claimed to have special powers. Most of these things I know the explaination for already. When you think of a person and the phone rings or when you believe someone behind you is looking at you and you are right with that is very easy to explain. The human brain always perfers to remember when something like a guess or a foreboding is coming true. For real you thought about a person or turned around because you thought someone is looking at you many times already but nothing happend and you didn't waste another thought about it. The brain normally don't remember such unimportant things because nothing special happened so when it ever happens that really someone calls you when you just thought off him/her it seems to you like that was a weird coincedence. The thing with the crow could have been the same thing. You maybe remembered the movie in that moment when you saw the crow without realizing it and when the man died you thought it was something weird though you usually see crows every day. | 2010-04-30 21:33:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Scaaaaaaaary! Or funny, depends on your sense of humor. either way, very good production value: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVfREVGcaY | 2010-05-03 05:50:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| Scaaaaaaaary! Or funny, depends on your sense of humor. either way, very good production value: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEVfREVGcaY HALT THAR! *Moves it to the amusing videos thread because it's a video* | 2010-05-03 07:57:00 Author: Voodeedoo Posts: 724 |
| Sure sure, except I wouldn't have posted it in the amusing videos thread. In fact, if there weren't a "paranormal events" thread, I don't think I would brought this here. I know, I know, I've just thrown your entire world into a tizzy. | 2010-05-03 07:58:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| ewwww - icky vid. lol | 2010-05-03 08:05:00 Author: Morgana25 Posts: 5983 |
| I like how the person with the video camera, while somewhat creeped out, is not really reacting like any normal human being would. She's sort of breathing harder and pointing her camera around. As if she knows there's a spider somewhere in the room, but not sure where? But no, there's a gigantic writhing mass of demon hands in front of the closet. I'm not going to look at a giant writhing hand demon in my room and shine a flashlight on it and say "eew, what IS that anyway? Hahaha, gross!" I'm going to reach a point of freaking-out so profound that it surpasses all human experience. My hair will literally fly out of my scalp at bullet speeds. My eyes will permanently double in size. My scream will go past terrible, past horrified, past any abominable remnant of human tonal capacity, and I will instead take on the sound of, say, a walrus, bellowing as at an approaching orcha. Ultimately, my reaction will be so thoroughly ridiculous, that the demon is likely to cower in fear and return back into its hell tunnel. But then again, I'm kind of a coward when it comes to house-hand demons. | 2010-05-03 10:01:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| I think some people here have been watching too much 'paranormal activity' and have lost sight of the fact that there is no such thing as any of these apart from aliens, but only in the small bacterial form as far as we know. | 2010-05-03 10:34:00 Author: flamingemu  Posts: 1872 |
| Haha, I love that vid, thoguh I was disappointed I only got to see one wall eye, oh well. I guess I should give my views while I'm here. I don't believe in ghosts but then again I'm not saying they don't exist. Personally I've never experienced anything to make me believe in them. As for aliens, I find it very hard to believe that Earth is the only place that has life. I don't believe in psychic abilities either and why would I need to, we already have mind power, too bad we need to wear a stupid thing on our head though. But I do love a good ghost story | 2010-05-03 10:59:00 Author: SR20DETDOG  Posts: 2431 |
| UFO's: Of course Ghosts: Not sure but my dad (aparantly) saw a coca-cola can move from corner of his eye. Spooky :3 | 2010-05-03 11:04:00 Author: Jovuto  Posts: 2345 |
| I think some people here have been watching too much 'paranormal activity' and have lost sight of the fact that there is no such thing as any of these apart from aliens, but only in the small bacterial form as far as we know. Woah! o.O That's what I call small minded! At least to say that only aliens in form of bacterial form seems possible is small minded. It's the same thing as in religion when all these believing noobs say "Only humans have souls" so they don't need to explain what happens to other animals... @Video Woah, that looks scary as ****! It's just computer effects but it looks really cool! I wish I could do something like that! @Topic Some new questions: 1. Anyone of you ever bought a book or something like that about ghosts, UFO's and so on? 2. Did anyone of you ever try to use a weejee-board, a pendulum or anything else of the occult to get in contact with ghosts? 3. Did anyone ever try to investigate paranormal activities him-/herself or thought about it? 4. Is there anything you wish for? Like seeing a ghost, to find out if aliens are real or something like that? | 2010-05-03 15:08:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| UFO's: Of course why is EVERY photo of a UFO blurry I ask? | 2010-05-03 15:10:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| Ever tried to make a photo of an moving object? | 2010-05-03 15:13:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Ever tried to make a photo of an moving object? yes, andd it wasn't rediculously blurry | 2010-05-03 15:30:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| Ya I'm sure u made a photo with a good camera of a slowly moving object. Of couse you can compare that to older pics when cameras were not that good or pics of ppl who just took a photo with their cellphone because they are not running around with a camera in their hand all the time in case they see an UFO. You are right that makes sense. | 2010-05-03 15:34:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| give me real proof of a UFO and Ill give you a million pounds | 2010-05-03 15:37:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| Things like psychic powers and telepathy is what I believe in the fewest. No one ever could prove that he was psychic when he/she claimed to have special powers. No one's ever proved there are ghosts or aliens flying around on our planet either I'm kidding, just so you know! Personally I'm more inclined to believe in psychic powers (some of them at least) than ghosts. Something like telepathy at least fits into what we know to be true, even if it is highly implausible. The souls of people who are deceased floating about only fits with in with mythology. Which begs the question, is that what we think of when we discuss "ghosts", or are do people use that term in a far more vague and all-encompassing term when we don't know what we are dealing with?In answer to the questions above, I've read loads of stuff on the these topics, although I've tended to keep it to the material that's pretty impartial, with a "this is what people believe" kinda vibe and I refuse to watch the TV shows where people "investigate" the paranormal, those are just highly embarrassing for everyone involved! Can't say I've actively bothered to investigate, as there doesn't really seem much point as far as I can tell. I would quite like for a lot of this stuff to be true, but then I quite like the idea of god as well | 2010-05-03 15:48:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497 |
| But no, there's a gigantic writhing mass of demon hands in front of the closet. I'm not going to look at a giant writhing hand demon in my room and shine a flashlight on it and say "eew, what IS that anyway? Hahaha, gross!" I'm going to reach a point of freaking-out so profound that it surpasses all human experience. My hair will literally fly out of my scalp at bullet speeds. My eyes will permanently double in size. My scream will go past terrible, past horrified, past any abominable remnant of human tonal capacity, and I will instead take on the sound of, say, a walrus, bellowing as at an approaching orcha. Ultimately, my reaction will be so thoroughly ridiculous, that the demon is likely to cower in fear and return back into its hell tunnel. But then again, I'm kind of a coward when it comes to house-hand demons. I'm kinda with Teebonesy as far as what my reaction to demons in my closet would be. On that subject, when I was a kid I had a hilarious thing happen to me. It wasn't a ghost or a demon, but I sure as hell thought it was at the time. I was like 8 or 9 years old and lying in my bed. This was around the time I had started reading stephen king books, and for some reason I would read them right before bed. Probably a stupid thing to do. So anyway, I was absolutely positive that there was a guy in the corner of my room watching me. I was as sure there was someone there as I was that the sky was blue. So I sat there for nearly a half an hour just watching this shadowy figure in the corner of my room, getting more and more terrified by the minute. I guess I was waiting for this thing to make it's move. I figured when it did I would probably scream bloody murder, wake the entire house and then proceed to faint dead away. Well, after a little bit of time passed, someone made their move, but it wasn't the figure. My dad was downstairs and he belched extremely loudly. The noise broke the silence and also scared the living bejeepers outta me! That was about the point that I let out the loudest scream that has ever come out of me. My parents came up to see what was wrong. I actually had to tell them the story and they had a good laugh at my expense. lol. I really don't know what was in my corner. Most likely it was a shadow. But I most certainly wasn't like "hee hee. there's a demon in the corner. ew. gross" | 2010-05-03 16:01:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| give me real proof of a UFO and Ill give you a million pounds I think you better word that better, UFO containing aliens is more suitable. I think you would be shelling out 1 million pounds very fast as there is plenty of unidentified flying objects out there.. just not alien | 2010-05-03 16:17:00 Author: OneEyedBanshee Posts: 1370 |
| give me real proof of a UFO and Ill give you a million pounds What's wrong? Don't know what to say against my last post? @xkappax A really funny story! xD | 2010-05-03 17:23:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| What's wrong? Don't know what to say against my last post? I know exactly what to say; you're saying that in the last 50 years there has been no-one with a decent shot of an alien UFO. real proof. | 2010-05-03 17:48:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| Henry Fuseli painted this famous image called "The Nightmare", which shows the Hag in all its spine-tingling effrontery to goodness. The "night mare" is present too, its empty eyes and inky head peering from behind the bed drapes. *shudder* http://imgur.com/nWQvI.jpg The Nightmare is one of the classical paintings displayed in the gallery hallway in Tenement... | 2010-05-03 17:51:00 Author: Ungreth Posts: 2130 |
| I know exactly what to say; you're saying that in the last 50 years there has been no-one with a decent shot of an alien UFO. real proof. No one said alien There isn't enough proof for or against for that, but unidentified flying objects certainly exist. EDIT: As for ghosts, idk. I've had some wierd things happen before like being woken up by the feeling of being punched in the side of my head, waking up by the feeling of being punched in my stomach and sitting up, also imagining waking up and seeing a huge black figure coming into my room that I grabbed and then could only see black untill I actually woke up. All of that happened in the same night and when I did wake up it was 3am and about 2minutes after I woke up I heard a footstep outside my door and heard breathing but I probably just imagined it all. I didn't go back to sleep that night and got up at 7am lol. | 2010-05-03 18:33:00 Author: S-A-S--G-U-N-R  Posts: 1606 |
| I was like 8 or 9 years old and lying in my bed. This was around the time I had started reading stephen king books, and for some reason I would read them right before bed. Probably a stupid thing to do. So anyway, I was absolutely positive that there was a guy in the corner of my room watching me. I was as sure there was someone there as I was that the sky was blue. So I sat there for nearly a half an hour just watching this shadowy figure in the corner of my room, getting more and more terrified by the minute. I guess I was waiting for this thing to make it's move. I figured when it did I would probably scream bloody murder, wake the entire house and then proceed to faint dead away. Well, after a little bit of time passed, someone made their move, but it wasn't the figure. My dad was downstairs and he belched extremely loudly. The noise broke the silence and also scared the living bejeepers outta me! That was about the point that I let out the loudest scream that has ever come out of me. My parents came up to see what was wrong. I actually had to tell them the story and they had a good laugh at my expense. lol. Holy crap that is funny. Oh my god that is too freaking funny!! I have a sort of similar story, but it's not as funny. It is very weird though. I was maybe the same age, 8 or 9. Having a nightmare that a monster or demon was coming to my room. This was a recurring dream, I had had it many times before - but that didn't make it any less horrific. In the dream I'm literally just in my bed at night, lying there, waiting and being scared. Sometimes hiding under the blankets and closing off my senses. This one time, I peeked out of the blankets, and I saw the thing. It had giant hands and it brought them down on me in a grab or attack. I REALLY FELT IT. I lurched awake, jerking myself upright (which never happens with dreams, but it did this one time to me), only to see my cat on my chest - still standing, as if he had just jumped up on me. Somehow my brain married the sensation of the cat landing on me to the monster attacking me. Scared me so much I actually gained X-ray vision. | 2010-05-03 21:38:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| Sure, sure. Laugh at me. No, in all honesty, it's really quite funny thinking back on it, but I was terrified at the time. I was never one to be scared of shadows in my room, but that time was different. My mom spent the whole next day kidding me about the "belching bandit" that was lurking in the shadows. | 2010-05-03 21:52:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| @flamingemu Because it doesn't make sense. No one walks around with a camera for no reason and wating for an UFO to fly by saying howdy. You do know that most pictures are fakes and the few real pics are just lucky shots, right? | 2010-05-03 21:56:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Just thought I'd jump in again with more paranormal phenomenon... this time regarding psychic powers: The Randi Prize. http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html | 2010-05-04 05:44:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| give me real proof of a UFO and Ill give you a million pounds A "UFO" is subjective. What if you can identify it? Then it's just an FO. If you see a flying object and you can't identify it, then it's a UFO. They're kinda proven. And it's pretty much basic knowledge that the government has to be working on some kind of aircraft that we wouldn't be able to identify if we saw it. | 2010-05-04 06:59:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| I think you better word that better, UFO containing aliens is more suitable. I think you would be shelling out 1 million pounds very fast as there is plenty of unidentified flying objects out there.. just not alien EXACTLY!!! Like I said before, everyone thinks I'm crazy, but it's nice to know there are people who think the same way I do | 2010-05-04 23:15:00 Author: ExplosiveCheddar Posts: 978 |
| http://www.cracked.com/funny-3039-ghost-tv/ Haha, I think that people in this thread will appreciate this. | 2010-05-05 00:50:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| The paranormal are existent to me, and so are UFO's... | 2010-05-05 00:57:00 Author: JspOt  Posts: 3607 |
| Nobody wants to post anything anymore? How about my questions? Is there anyone who could say something about that? | 2010-05-07 12:49:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Woah! o.O That's what I call small minded! At least to say that only aliens in form of bacterial form seems possible is small minded. It's the same thing as in religion when all these believing noobs say "Only humans have souls" so they don't need to explain what happens to other animals... This is the sickening self-righteousness associated with atheism. @Topic Some new questions: 1. Anyone of you ever bought a book or something like that about ghosts, UFO's and so on? 2. Did anyone of you ever try to use a weejee-board, a pendulum or anything else of the occult to get in contact with ghosts? 3. Did anyone ever tried to investigate paranormal activities him-/herself or thought about it? 4. Is there anything you wish for? Like seeing a ghost, to find out if aliens are real or something like that? 1. No. 2. No, I've never tried a Ouija board, though I think if I got my hands on it I would. The only problem would be that I think it would make me really paranoid. No matter how ridiculous I think someone is, no matter how I try to rule out the possibility of a murderer standing right behind me by being rational, I still look. No matter how much I try to rule out the possibility of something scary but ridiculous, I think my primal fears take over. I'd definitely fall victim to the placebo effect. I don't think I'd begin having encounters with ghosts, but I think I'd scare myself. 3. These questions are way too vague. If I try to investigate something that's "paranormal", and find out that it's just something normal, does that count? Or are you talking about like on of those ghost shows where I get thermal goggles and freak out when I see something get hot or cold? I personally find ghost shows hilarious. A bunch of people going around dark, abandoned jails and hospitals, chasing after things that aren't there. There's almost no reason to watch these, either. The most they do is try to scare the **** out of some poor soul by doing one of those ******** "walk down that dark hall with no protection and no ghost seeking equipment to see if that brings out any ghosts". 4. No, I wouldn't want to see a ghost or alien. | 2010-05-07 21:05:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| The PKE meter's not picking up anything. Crap, but we KNOW there's got to be ghosts here. I got it. I got it. Billy, come here for a second. Okay, we're going to tie you to the wall of this scary room, So you'll be the bait, and then we'll try to "herd" the ghosts in from the rest of the building by leaving you alone here and then banging on things and lots of scary screaming and moaning. I think that scares ghosts. I think this is a solid idea guys. I think this is a solid idea. | 2010-05-07 21:20:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| These questions are way too vague. Because I want to give everyone the chance to answer. When I ask if you experienced anything supernatural just tell me anything you ever experienced. If I'd ask if you ever saw an UFO only a few people could answer with yes. That is why any serious answer counts. If you say that you tried to investigate something it doesn't matter what the result was. I personally find ghost shows hilarious. Of course there are some really hilarious aspects about ghost shows. Sometimes I think "Where the hell do they got these ridiculous ideas???" but I still think they can be entertaining. Even if most of it is just absurd I really envy them for their job. I always dreamed about having such a job since I was a kid. Trying to find out the truth about ghosts and aliens myself. That must be alot of fun! Some things are really interesting though. I'm watching Ghost Hunters lately and if they don't fake anything (what I really doubt because they would lose their fans and their clients if anyone finds out) they had some really convincing evidence like a recording of a chair that moved by itself, very clear EVP's and other stuff. @Teebonesy Only serious posts please. | 2010-05-08 01:52:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| @Teebonesy Only serious posts please. Madam, can you ask that a rainbow be not beautiful? Can you ask that an ice cream cone be not delicious? You ask too much of me. I shall retire forthwith! | 2010-05-08 03:17:00 Author: Teebonesy Posts: 1937 |
| I can ask you to stop spamming in my thread since such posts are nothing more then spam. As far as I know admins and mods don't like to see that. | 2010-05-08 03:27:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| I can ask you to stop spamming in my thread since such posts are nothing more then spam. As far as I know admins and mods don't like to see that. Chrree, you should get to know us here before making such assumptions. Teeb is a very good friend of ours here so please lighten up a bit. | 2010-05-08 03:32:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| I just don't like when someone is making fun about this thread/topic. That is an insult to me and everyone else who believes, or is interested in such things. If someone has nothing serious to post about a topic he should just not post anything. That can't be that difficult. | 2010-05-08 03:35:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Ah, ghosts and the stuff. [run ghostbusterstheme.mp3] I never believed in anything but one of the listed. UFOs. These are commonly misunderstood. Let's break it down, shall we? U- Unidentified F- Flying O- Object It's something you don't know, is unidentified by you as a person, so if you see something zoom over your head, and you don't know it's a African or European Swallow (Ah, see what I did there?), it technically is a UFO. I do believe there are some things I see, but cannot identify. Ghosts and the stuff, no. I am a man of reality, and the only time I was convinced was in my little kid years. (Back then I could move water with will, I tell you it's true!) | 2010-05-08 03:43:00 Author: chezhead  Posts: 1063 |
| Hm. Yeah, Teebonesy's a really nice guy. In fact, he was one of the first people that came to my defense when my beliefs were being attacked in a different thread. He's just taking a light-hearted approach... something that many of us lbpcentralites enjoy. ^___^ But back on the subject of ghosts.... .... Here are a few I found lurking on the side of THIS VERY WINDOW I'M TYPING IN!!!!  | 2010-05-08 04:14:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| I think some of Teebs posts have been very interesting and insightful to say the least. All I can say is I agree with JWW, lighten up! I am interested in the topic but didn't take any offense, there will always be skeptics and believers we have to mingle to challenge each other and keep things interesting. | 2010-05-08 04:19:00 Author: OneEyedBanshee Posts: 1370 |
| I just don't like when someone is making fun about this thread/topic. That is an insult to me and everyone else who believes, or is interested in such things. If someone has nothing serious to post about a topic he should just not post anything. That can't be that difficult. You're totally blowing it out of proportion. He's not spamming in the slightest! There's a huge difference between interjecting some humor and spamming. Hell, he wasn't even making fun of the topic or flaming or anything, he was commenting on the stupidity of ghost hunting shows. It was actually an accurate description of what ghost shows are like. To be honest, your attitude towards these light-hearted comments is really out-of-place for this site. I think the mods would see nothing outrageous about his posts... Anyway, Teebonesy, it managed to get a chuckle out of me... EDIT: Oh, and look what they have on Cracked today: http://www.cracked.com/article_18553_5-cheap-magic-tricks-behind-every-psychic.html | 2010-05-08 12:08:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Well I have felt offended by it and his answer sounded like I'm a naiv little girl who should shut up. | 2010-05-08 15:22:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| naw, you're taking it too personally. Try not to let it get to you, because I can tell you for a fact it wasn't intended as anything malicious at all. Now let's talk about ghosts and have fun, okay? ^__^ | 2010-05-08 15:38:00 Author: xkappax Posts: 2569 |
| Well I have felt offended by it and his answer sounded like I'm a naiv little girl who should shut up. I think you just take things way too seriously, especially when others do not agree with you. You are a bit quick to judge and need to not take things so personally. This is all for fun mmmkay? As xkappax said, Teeb meant nothing wrong. This is a fun loving site devoted to a game that is made of a cute little sackboy and crafty bits. So expect humor as well as some discussion. | 2010-05-08 16:10:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383 |
| http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8WfPsrnspU&NR=1 ^may contain content inappropriate for some users under 17. spookeh! | 2010-05-08 16:17:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| If you believe in ghosts or psychics then you're out of touch with the real world. LOL | 2010-05-15 23:42:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| If you believe in ghosts or psychics then you're out of touch with the real world. LOL hooray! someone who agrees! yay, someone with a functioning sense of reality! | 2010-05-15 23:49:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| If you believe in ghosts or psychics then you're out of touch with the real world. LOL yay, someone with a functioning sense of reality! So you say you know that for sure? Then you know more then anyone else. | 2010-05-16 01:18:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| So you say you know that for sure? Then you know more then anyone else. It's not a matter of knowing more than anyone else, it's about being logical. Have you ever thought that we believe this stuff so that we can avoid acknowledging our own insignificance? | 2010-05-16 01:52:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Logic can't tell you what happens to your consciousness when you die. As long as no one knows that for sure logic can't tell you if ghosts are real or not. | 2010-05-16 03:34:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| It's widely accepted that when you die, you're no longer conscious. Is it so hard to believe that once you're dead, you're gone? | 2010-05-16 03:49:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| If I'd ask if you ever saw an UFO only a few people could answer with yes. Nearly everyone has seen a UFO. Let's clarify a bit here. You mean to say "Have you ever seen a UFO that could not be explained by any other possible naturally-occuring or man-made phenomena?" naw, you're taking it too personally. Try not to let it get to you, because I can tell you for a fact it wasn't intended as anything malicious at all. Now let's talk about ghosts and have fun, okay? ^__^ ^^ This. Also, let's keep the topic to the parapsychological and not the metaphysical. If you want to talk about what happens after you die, that deserves a thread all to its own. | 2010-05-16 06:59:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| Also, let's keep the topic to the parapsychological and not the metaphysical. If you want to talk about what happens after you die, that deserves a thread all to its own. It's almost impossible to talk about ghosts and psychic ability without touching on the afterlife, but I will try to remain on topic. Anyway, there's this place up near where I live called "Thirteen Bends". I've never been there, and I'm not quite sure what the most popular story is about that place, but I've found a (poorly written) web page on it. (http://www00.homepage.villanova.edu/drew.schauble/bends.htm) Although this may not have been the writer's purpose, I think it accentuates the ridiculousness of ghost myths. This is just what happens when someone who is bad at writing attempts at creating a ghost myth. Bodies in a mine shaft, dead orphans, killing 13 schoolgirls, it's all too cliche. And then shouting out your car "Kids we have candy!"? Seriously? I highly recommend looking at that site. It's hilarious. | 2010-05-16 14:48:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| It's widely accepted that when you die, you're no longer conscious. Is it so hard to believe that once you're dead, you're gone? That is just a theory just like all the other stuff we are talking about so what you are saying is nothing better. Nearly everyone has seen a UFO. Let's clarify a bit here. You mean to say "Have you ever seen a UFO that could not be explained by any other possible naturally-occuring or man-made phenomena?" Honestly that starts to become annoying. You and everyone else knows perfectly well what I mean and I don't really care about what other meaning it has since that is not not the point. Btw it really sounds ridiculous to ask it that way. Oh and I never saw any unidentified flying object no matter if you are talking about alien spaceships or anything else nor has anyone I know or ever met so you are wrong. | 2010-05-16 15:45:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Oh and I never saw any unidentified flying object no matter if you are talking about alien spaceships or anything else nor has anyone I know or ever met so you are wrong. never ever ever seen weird flashing light in the sky that could either be a satallite, helicopter or plane? that is a UFO because its unidentified. if you are talking about alien spaceships, then thats different because there would be no point in aliens using all that resource to just look at us; if that happened they would probably just try to take us over or steal our resources. anyways; i saw an alien so there. (http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/parks/magic-kingdom/attractions/space-mountain/) | 2010-05-16 16:07:00 Author: flamingemu Posts: 1872 |
| No I never saw anything like that. When I saw a plane I knew it was a plane so did anyone I ever asked. Btw the first thing everyone would think of are aliens when I say UFO at least in Germany so I don't do any unnecessary explainations. | 2010-05-16 18:10:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| I believe in Aliens, but I don't think they've visited Earth. Ghosts? I didn't used to, then I started watching programs that hunt for ghosts and the paranormal and I slowly began to believe. I've even had my own ghostly experience | 2010-05-16 19:53:00 Author: Plasmavore  Posts: 1913 |
| Oh, please tell us about it. | 2010-05-16 21:37:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| No I never saw anything like that. When I saw a plane I knew it was a plane so did anyone I ever asked. Btw the first thing everyone would think of are aliens when I say UFO at least in Germany so I don't do any unnecessary explainations. Yes, but UFO still means something that is just an unidentified flying object. You may try to attribute it to aliens, but they're definitely not. I understand what you're talking about Secret government projects, or just unexplained natural phenomena, seem like much more reasonable explanations to me. | 2010-05-16 23:58:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| Bad for you. Everyone knwos what I mean so I don't do stupid explainations and if some doesn't it's not my problem either. If you would talk like that over here they would laugh at you. | 2010-05-17 01:53:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Logic can't tell you what happens to your consciousness when you die. As long as no one knows that for sure logic can't tell you if ghosts are real or not. Logic is the fundamental basis of all reasoning. You can't prove or disprove any scientific theory without logic and reason. Likewise, you can not provide proof for the existence of ghosts or spirits without logical, scientific evidence of such a phenomenon. Even if you believe the source of such apparitions is supernatural in nature, your mind uses logic and reasoning to come to that conclusion. Again, I hesitate to discuss this further without getting into the philosophic and metaphysic nature of such an argument. It's almost impossible to talk about ghosts and psychic ability without touching on the afterlife, but I will try to remain on topic. That statement assumes that they are proven to be connected, when in fact there is no scientific evidence that suggests this to be true. All assumptions of this nature are based on religion, folklore and cultural history. Honestly that starts to become annoying. You and everyone else knows perfectly well what I mean and I don't really care about what other meaning it has since that is not not the point. Btw it really sounds ridiculous to ask it that way. Oh and I never saw any unidentified flying object no matter if you are talking about alien spaceships or anything else nor has anyone I know or ever met so you are wrong. What I meant was that the permeation of "UFO subculture" has reached the masses in this day and age. Lots of people have seen shows on TV, or pictures in a magazine. 100 years ago, that wasn't the case. Speaking of which, has anyone noticed that the reports of such objects has only recently been so prevalent? And only in the last century has their nature been ascribed to extra-terrestrial beings? I find this trend alone enough to become skeptical of any and all stories or "evidence" regarding such things. Bad for you. Everyone knwos what I mean so I don't do stupid explainations and if some doesn't it's not my problem either. If you would talk like that over here they would laugh at you. Everyone knows what you mean if you use the term properly... UFO is a broad term. Flying saucers piloted by extra-terrestrial aliens is much more specific (and apt for the topic.) | 2010-05-17 03:03:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| That statement assumes that they are proven to be connected, when in fact there is no scientific evidence that suggests this to be true. All assumptions of this nature are based on religion, folklore and cultural history. So you're saying that ghosts aren't the conscious spiritual remains of humans? Well then, I'd hardly call them ghosts. Parapsychology nonsense fits in with religion perfectly, I would say. Do you believe that ghosts are people after they die? If so, I'd say it has everything to do with religion. If not, then we're talking about two completely different things. Bad for you. Everyone knwos what I mean so I don't do stupid explainations and if some doesn't it's not my problem either. If you would talk like that over here they would laugh at you. You're still not grasping what I'm saying. Even if I saw a typical flying saucer UFO, why would I attribute it to to aliens? Of course I know what you mean, but just because you see some lights flying through the sky doesn't make them aliens. Of course we all know what you mean. How many of these UFO sightings are just lights moving through the air in an abnormal fashion? And then, why are they blamed on extraterrestrials? | 2010-05-17 22:27:00 Author: qrtda235566 Posts: 3664 |
| It's widely accepted that when you die, you're no longer conscious. Is it so hard to believe that once you're dead, you're gone? What about outer-body experiences? I'm not accepting anything I don't know. | 2010-05-18 18:25:00 Author: S-A-S--G-U-N-R Posts: 1606 |
| So you're saying that ghosts aren't the conscious spiritual remains of humans? Well then, I'd hardly call them ghosts. No, I'm saying this is what people over the millenia have come to believe, and these beliefs stem from the times when we though natural disasters were direct acts of vengeance by the gods. It's a cultural perception, not a factual reality. Parapsychology nonsense fits in with religion perfectly, I would say. Do you believe that ghosts are people after they die? If so, I'd say it has everything to do with religion. If not, then we're talking about two completely different things.I believe that ghosts are precisely what those who believe in them want them to be. To me, they are figments of their own imagination. I'm very much a man of empirical science. If you can demostrate to me, without a doubt, actual scientific proof of the existence of ghosts or spiritual beings, then I will have no choice but to accept their existence. Until then, I will remain healthily skeptical. You're still not grasping what I'm saying. Even if I saw a typical flying saucer UFO, why would I attribute it to to aliens? Of course I know what you mean, but just because you see some lights flying through the sky doesn't make them aliens. Of course we all know what you mean. How many of these UFO sightings are just lights moving through the air in an abnormal fashion? And then, why are they blamed on extraterrestrials?I would say nearly all sightings of UFO could most likely be attributed to man-made spacecraft, unusual patterns in nature or weather, or even celestial objects. It's not me placing the extra-terrestrial twist on the explanation, but usually the viewer of the phenomenon themselves. For instance, the "alien abduction" experience is so widespread that a person as young as 5 could probably make up a very realistic story, and even draw a picture of the alien abductors themselves. My point was that the sub-culture of UFOs and "aliens" has become so prevalent that it is nearly second nature to one who is apt to believe in such things that they automatically make the assumption between an unidentified flying object and "little green men." This was my point in the first place, that the term UFO is being used incorrectly in this sense and the writer can not assume that when you say UFO you mean "alien spacecraft." It's just not using the term correctly, and yes, it does require clarification when used in such a manner. The question should not be "Have you ever seen a UFO?" The question should be "Have you ever seen a UFO you thought was actually an alien spaceship?" Of course you sound much more ridiculous answering "yes" to the second question. | 2010-05-18 18:44:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| This thread is for sharing strange expirences, not saying 'This is my theory so it must be right!'. So get back on topic, and stop being rude. | 2010-05-18 19:34:00 Author: Testudini Posts: 3262 |
| Just ignore it. They won't stop it anyway. No wonder no one wants to post anything is this topic anymore. | 2010-05-20 14:31:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| Just ignore it. They won't stop it anyway. No wonder no one wants to post anything is this topic anymore. Aw, don't let a few bad eggs ruin your omelet. I still like hearing people's stories and whatnot, and if you have a video or picture you'd like to share, I like those even more! So, all you believers out there, what's your best story or evidence of the existance of the supernatural or parapsychological? | 2010-05-20 14:46:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| Let's get back on topic folks. You can still debate, but do it respectfully. If the discussion goes off topic again, then we'll have to lock this one up. | 2010-05-22 05:27:00 Author: mrsupercomputer Posts: 1335 |
| Too bad it got deleted. I thought he needed someone to do something about his behaviour. Ok, I'll just forget about it and add him to my ignore list. @schm0 I'm glad that you are still polite. As long as you don't get rude I'm ok with it. @plasmavore I would still like to hear your story. | 2010-05-22 21:16:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| @Chrree: One can certainly disagree while being polite. Besides, I'm a skeptic. There are plenty of things I certainly can not explain, I'm just naturally inclined to believe they are not of supernatural or extraterrestrial origin. There's still that naturally curious part of me that likes looking at all sorts of things strange and unexplainable. | 2010-05-24 01:57:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| It's not like I'm a straight believer you know I'm very skeptic too. There are just some things I would never just call nonsense because then you are not better then someone who just believes it all and that would be naiv. The thing that made me very angry was to explain the word UFO several times though it was obvious what UFO ment in this thread. That is like picking on someone on purpose. I think it's just rude and offtopic to repeat it again and again though everybody knows it already and didn't ask for it. | 2010-05-25 01:11:00 Author: Chrree Posts: 554 |
| It's not like I'm a straight believer you know I'm very skeptic too. There are just some things I would never just call nonsense because then you are not better then someone who just believes it all and that would be naiv. The thing that made me very angry was to explain the word UFO several times though it was obvious what UFO ment in this thread. That is like picking on someone on purpose. I think it's just rude and offtopic to repeat it again and again though everybody knows it already and didn't ask for it. I had this quote on my homepage that I thought I'd share: It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. - Aristotle This is very much how I feel on this subject. As to clarifying the term UFO, I was trying to point out the reasons why it is important to state what you mean, even though it may be obvious to you when you used it. There is simply a difference between saying that you believe that a flying object is an alien spacecraft and saying that it is merely unidentifiable. They are two separate statements, and both have their own implications. Speaking of which, did anyone see this video (which is clearly a hoax)? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hfy2JMcyMyA This is typical of what can be found as "evidence" of UFOs, although there are a few videos here and there that are, by my own understanding, unexplainable. Does anyone else have any videos? | 2010-05-30 14:56:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239 |
| I have exploding head syndrome...does that count? It's pretty freaky. A couple of months ago, my mom sent me upstairs to draw the curtains at night, so I went into her room to draw hers, and as soon as I tugged the curtain, there was a massive "RRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH!!! right outside the window. This window was the one that shows into the back garden. Then there was a THUD! and the sound of wood splintering and wind chimes jangling. This meant that whatever had made that noise was large enough to touch those chimes, which hang just above the back door. Then I heard thundering footsteps retreating from the house, and a cat cry out in fear. I fell backwards, frozen, onto my mom's bed. Now more recently I have heard lots of laughter-screaming sorts of noises from that window... It was not a fox. Anyone know whaat it was? | 2010-06-01 20:53:00 Author: SPONGMONKEY56  Posts: 209 |
| Figured i would revive this thread since theres nothing interesting in the general chat, i feel like the paranormal today, this guys cool, hes over the top in the ufo disclosure project, hes been on this kind of thing for quite the while. real or not, its still fun to watch and review on what isnt and might be real. enjoy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTHqoxCxZxA | 2011-08-27 21:28:00 Author: Charlemagne  Posts: 513 |
| Gypsy Macnme's Astrolomy readings: Come in, sit down & cross my palm with silver - I shall gaze deep into my crystal ball (telescope) and reveal things hither-to unknown! *gasp* - Ah, I see it. Radiation streaming from a source known as Swift J1644+57 is thought to be the result of a star being consumed by a once-dormant black hole - so it's a perfect time for Capricorns who want to branch out into something new! Ah - another vision! A rare event of a type Ia supernova, residing a short 21 million light years away from Earth in the Pinwheel Galaxy (M101) of Ursa Major, makes it the closest type Ia supernova seen in decades. So Cancer's and Sagittarius' love life may see a change. And what do we have here! A water cloud containing the equivalent of 140 trillion times the water held in Earth's oceans has been detected around a quasar powered by a giant black hole 12 billion light years away!!! So probably no need to tell Aquarius' that now could be the time to purchase that 'big spend' that you were thinking of. | 2011-08-27 23:28:00 Author: Macnme  Posts: 1970 |
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