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Is it REALLY a good idea...?

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A lot of times i oppen the "Suggestions" section to see what people have come up with, and sometimes i find a couple of ideas that i believe would be useless, or easly creatable already in the game and i ask the one who made the suggestion "Why suggest that"?

Their answer 99.99% of the times:
"Just imagine of all the new possibilities it would bring!"

Yes ok, sure. but what ARE those "many possibilities" they always speak of, as every time i ask them they answer with one or two ideas, that mostly
a) Are already makeable with some logic/ creativity
b) Would only serve a single specific function.
c) The person only think it'd be cool to have ot even tho it'd be vrtually pointless.

So most of the times "imagine all the new possibilities itmay bring" means "it will bring an specific action only."

And still a lot of people say "Yes thats a great idea" and "oh yes all the posivilities would be great" (w/out ever naming a single one)

(Out of space)
2010-04-16 07:40:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707


So i ask you this people:

Do you REALLY think its such a good idea with many possibilities or is it that perhaps you only want "Thanks" and Rep+, maybe you're just trying to be nice or support your frieds ideas no matter how bad they are?

Please answer honestly if you're gonna post in here, if you're not ready to say the truth yet then simply din't post.

I'm just asking this as it strikes me so oddly that so many people may support certain ideas.
Sure there may be some people that honestly think it may be a good idea when seen from the outside, but some of the answer of "support" i see there are just mind boggling...
2010-04-16 07:40:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707


Personally, the only post I've made in a 'suggestion' thread was recommending Beyonce's entire 'Single Ladies' choreography as an added animation...

Beyond that, I rarely visit that area for the simple fact that I honestly don't care. Most ideas can be created or atleast emulated already. Finding out how to implement these with the tools given is what appeals to me most about LBP.

Having 'solutions' to these ideas handed to us on a silver platter would make creating alot less fun.

With only a handful of exceptions, the'Suggestions' area is little more than an 'Ideas & Projects' forum for the unimaginative.
2010-04-16 08:30:00

Author:
Unknown User


Personally, the only post I've made in a 'suggestion' thread was recommending Beyonce's entire 'Single Ladies' choreography as an added animation...

Beyond that, I rarely visit that area for the simple fact that I honestly don't care. Most ideas can be created or atleast emulated already. Finding out how to implement these with the tools given is what appeals to me most about LBP.

Having 'solutions' to these ideas handed to us on a silver platter would make creating alot less fun.

With only a handful of exceptions, the'Suggestions' area is little more than an 'Ideas & Projects' forum for the unimaginative.

Thank you!

That's exactly what i've been trying to say, i mean, what's the fun on having everything pre-made already?
Why don't you just ask Mm to make a DLC of the levels you wanna publish while you're at it?
*Not you RoseScythe, the people asking for that stuff.
2010-04-16 09:00:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707


I can definitely see what you're saying and why you're frustrated.
It's a bit like Lego, years ago you actually had to make things yourself now you just buy the whole thing.

On another note though I don't really see the point in this thread, it's just going to fill up with people complaining about other people's suggestions. Also I wouldn't be so quick to judge, just because people don't specifically state what the uses of their suggestion are and you can't think of any applications for it that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't any.

No offence but I don't really see the point of this thread. It might make people think more carefully when posting a suggestion but in reality the number of people who will actually read this and act upon it will be so miniscule I doubt you'll be able to see a difference. At the end of the day I can't see this thead serving and good to the LBPC community. I hope you don't take this the wrong way, it's just my opinion.
2010-04-16 09:22:00

Author:
SR20DETDOG
Posts: 2431


What makes you think asking this is a good idea. Perhaps it's that you want to prove that your right & their wrong and for you to get Thanks + Rep.
But in all seriousness everyone has their own opinions and thinks differently so you have to expect different opinions, especially in a forum lol I haven't really looked at the suggestions but the way I see it is that people often think their idea is good but if they actually took time to think about it then they may change their mind.

However some people are more imaginative than others and some may find suggestions helpful as they may be stuck for ideas and may get inspiration regardless of wether it's a good idea or a bad idea.
Like rose, I like to try & figure stuff out on my own, I only really ask for help if im truly stuck but like to help when & if I can.

No suggestion is a bad suggestion if it was said with good intention.
2010-04-16 09:31:00

Author:
Unknown User


Its true that most of the stuff can be made, and i have posted that a few times, the thing is that most of the switches people want would just clutter up the tools bag. If they made a help thread about it one of our logic nutters would figure out to do it in seconds.2010-04-16 09:43:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662


What makes you think asking this is a good idea. Perhaps it's that you want to prove that your right & their wrong and for you to get Thanks + Rep.
But in all seriousness everyone has their own opinions and thinks differently so you have to expect different opinions, especially in a forum lol I haven't really looked at the suggestions but the way I see it is that people often think their idea is good but if they actually took time to think about it then they may change their mind.

However some people are more imaginative than others and some may find suggestions helpful as they may be stuck for ideas and may get inspiration regardless of wether it's a good idea or a bad idea.
Like rose, I like to try & figure stuff out on my own, I only really ask for help if im truly stuck but like to help when & if I can.

No suggestion is a bad suggestion if it was said with good intention.

By 'Suggestions' area, you are aware we're referring to the area of the site where members suggest features that MM should implement into the game. Not the Help or Ideas and Projects area.


I can definitely see what you're saying and why you're frustrated.
It's a bit like Lego, years ago you actually had to make things yourself now you just buy the whole thing.

On another note though I don't really see the point in this thread, it's just going to fill up with people complaining about other people's suggestions. Also I wouldn't be so quick to judge, just because people don't specifically state what the uses of their suggestion are and you can't think of any applications for it that doesn't necessarily mean there aren't any.

No offence but I don't really see the point of this thread. It might make people think more carefully when posting a suggestion but in reality the number of people who will actually read this and act upon it will be so miniscule I doubt you'll be able to see a difference. At the end of the day I can't see this thead serving and good to the LBPC community. I hope you don't take this the wrong way, it's just my opinion.

While you both make valid points, I think you have missed the true motivation behind Silverleon's original post.

You both agree that a number of the suggestions in that area of the forum are trivial at best; yet they somehow still manage to recieve loads of support and thanks from other members.

Is this because every other member giving praise agrees that the implementation of (what is to many) a poorly conceived suggestion would indeed be worthwhile, are they simply being considerate of the original poster's feelings or has the suggestions forum, again with a handful of exceptions, become a cheap tool used to farm rep?

The motivation behind my solitary post in that area was merely a weak attempt at humour so I can't really give much insight into the matter.

Although I'm sure Silverleon's original post wasn't intended to belittle other members.
2010-04-16 09:50:00

Author:
Unknown User


While you both make valid points, I think you have missed the true motivation behind Silverleon's original post.

You both agree that a number of the suggestions in the area of the forum are trivial at best; yet they somehow still manage to recieve loads of support and thanks from other members.

Is this because every other member giving praise agrees that the implementation of (to many) a poorly conceived suggestion would indeed be worthwhile, are they simply being considerate of the original poster's feelings or has the suggestions forum, again with a handful of exceptions, become a cheap tool used to farm rep?

The motivation behind my solitary post in that area was merely a weak attempt at humour so I can't really give much insight into the matter.

Although I'm sure Silverleon's original post wasn't intended to belittle other members.

Firstly I used to post alot there when I first joined LBPC but now only pop in every now and then.

Now back to what you were saying. The way I see it is that if someone thinks it is a good enough idea to share then I find it hard to believe that others wouldn't think the same.

It is possible that they are just being considerate of the original posters feelings but in all honesty I don't think people would be going out of their way to make someone feel better unless the original poster was receiving feedback so bad that something really should be done.

As for people using the Suggestoin forums as a 'cheap tool to farm rep' it would be very difficult to determine whether or not someone is actually doing this. It would be ignorant to think that it doesn't happen but then again the Suggestions forum wouldn't be the only place these people are doing this. If they're so desperate for +Rep then they're not going to stop at only the Suggestions.

In my opinion I would put most of the praise people get for their suggestoin down to my first point.

Finaly your last point about Silver not trying to belittle anyone. I completely understand where he was coming from and that he wasn't having a dig at anyone, in my opinion I just don't see that good will come from this thread.
2010-04-16 10:17:00

Author:
SR20DETDOG
Posts: 2431


My 1st sentance was meant as humor hence how I followed with "But in all seriousness" but regardless of wether any section of the forum is used to farm rep, who cares? I certainly don't, I come here mainly to learn & if I can help anyone along the way I will. People will always farm rep & find new ways to do so & most people will try & be considerate as to not hurt peoples feelings, very few tell it as it is and as far as im concerned if people are here for rep or bothered about wether people getting/farming rep then they're here for the wrong reasons. Stats have little meaning imo, it's the individual that counts not some text or icons beside their name.
Don't Worry! Be Happy!
2010-04-16 10:22:00

Author:
Unknown User


Firstly I used to post alot when there when I first joined LBPC but now only pop in every now and then.

Now back to what you were saying. The way I see it is that if someone thinks it is a good enough idea to share then I find it hard to believe that others wouldn't think the same.

It is possible that they are just being considerate of the original posters feelings but in all honesty I don't think people would be going out of their way to make someone feel better unless the original poster was receiving feedback so bad that something really should be done.

As for people using the Suggestoin forums as a 'cheap tool to farm rep' it would be very difficult to determine whether or not some is actually doing this. It would be ignorant to think that it doesn't happen but then again the Suggestions forum wouldn't be the only place these people are doing this. If they're so desperate for +Rep then they're not going to stop at only the Suggestions.

In my opinion I would put most of the praise people get for their suggestoin down to my first point.

Perhaps, although I'm sure a few members might go out of their way to make the original poster feel better if there was a good chance of recieving a 'Thanks' for their praise, but like you said; If this were truly their motivation I doubt it'd only be used in that area of the site.

To each their own I suppose.

Truthfully, I've never really thought about it.
2010-04-16 10:25:00

Author:
Unknown User


Perhaps, although I'm sure a few members might go out of their way to make the original poster feel better if there was a good chance of recieving a 'Thanks' for their praise, but like you said; If this were truly their motivation I doubt it'd only be used in that area of the site.

To each their own I suppose.

Truthfully, I've never really thought about it.

Thanks for understanding RoseScythe, again I hope nobody takes what I said the wrong way. I think this might be a good place finish, this thread has gotten way off topic already.
2010-04-16 10:32:00

Author:
SR20DETDOG
Posts: 2431


Personally, the only post I've made in a 'suggestion' thread was recommending Beyonce's entire 'Single Ladies' choreography as an added animation...

Just imagine all the new possibilities this would bring!
2010-04-16 10:41:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497


At the end of the day, the very existence of the 'Suggestions' forum is a bit convoluted. MM is unlikely to use any of the ideas presented there, and would probably have to jump through all sorts of hoops legally to use an idea that they found on a fansite.

That said, let 'em dream, Yaru, let 'em dream...

2010-04-16 11:53:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338


Wha? What's this "suggestion" forum everyone keep talki-
*looks above "Everything Else LittleBIGPlanet"*
Oh, that thing...

Never bothered with it, so it's not my problem.
2010-04-16 15:10:00

Author:
Outlaw-Jack
Posts: 5757


I go there about once a month to see if there's anything cool there that I could probably make...2010-04-18 23:54:00

Author:
piggabling
Posts: 2979


At the end of the day, the very existence of the 'Suggestions' forum is a bit convoluted. MM is unlikely to use any of the ideas presented there, and would probably have to jump through all sorts of hoops legally to use an idea that they found on a fansite.

That said, let 'em dream, Yaru, let 'em dream...



I don't mind letting them dream at all, my problem lies when their suggestions never come forth and they're all angry going around asking "Where'z mah climbing abilitiz and the gravity boots!"
Where even tho weren't promised anything will go all over complaining as if someone ever said it would be done...

In short
Sure, give as many suggestions as you want, just don't complain when nothing happens, as nothing was ever promised, that's all.
2010-04-28 01:04:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707


You should all have a look at MM's Facebook page if you think out suggestions area is bad 2010-04-28 06:59:00

Author:
GruntosUK
Posts: 1754


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