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... yeah, first off, please give this thread the light of day XD ;-; Please, mods? ;o Alrighty... well, for those of you who need a little history... The Spam Can used to be a topic where people just chatted about anything on their minds. It was locked over a year ago because it descended into not having a "purpose", created some community of Spam Canners who hid in the Spam Can and didn't venture to the LBP forums, and was too difficult to moderate. I'm not asking for that per say. The "Spam Can" is a negative title, and implies random nonsense that doesn't belong- posts like "PEANUTS!" or... ok, ironic example, but you get the picture. I don't want spam- all I ask for is a place where people can chat about anything not deserving of it's own topic, to just pop in and mention things going on in their lives. Yes, we could use an instant messenger client- however, things like MSN or AIM or Yahoo are just, well, too private. You'd have to generally know the person beforehand before you talk to them, and even then it's just between a few friends at most. A Random Chat Topic has the benefit of being about the forum, and everyone in the forum can participate. You can make a thread about stuff, yes- however, not everything is deserving of a thread. Some things you just want to talk about, to chat about, with the community- not just person to person on a chat client or visitor messaging or private messaging. An off topic topic will allow people to chat with the forum at large, and make new friends. Now, the major complaint from the moderation team I've seen is that a random chat topic would be too hard to moderate- however, they seem to be basing this off of a year ago, with a thread full of four or five people who did not really interact with the rest of the community. Yes, it did not make sense to devote much resources for a small group of people who did not really care about LittleBigPlanet. However, those days are long past- the forum is now a much different, altogether more mature place. Some people won't use it, yes- but many people would love the opportunity to chat with the forum without having to chat privately. Now, I suppose I developed a thesis in my last paragraph and then proceeded to go off in a different direction- very well, you got me. However, the issue of moderation. Yes, it was hard to moderate that, but people today are more mature then a year ago (for the most part anyway). If people can manage to keep their cool and report any instances were things get nasty, well, that should count for something. Also, it may be tough on the mod team to have another responsibility, yes- but to be honest, it's seemed like one mod has carried much of the weight for quite some time- first Quozl, then Killian, and up to a few days ago Comphermc held up most moderation. If the weight is too much for only a few people to handle, and you insist on keeping the team down to as small as possible... well, just saying, would be a shame to punish most people because our active mod team has always been very low. However, away from the issue of mods- the Off Topic Discussion thread would be a nice addition. It would allow us to talk small talk, without having to resort to private means of communication. The people today seem to be more mature, and could help self-moderate with the report button. Spam Can is a negative name, yes, so I don't really advocate its return- I think Random Banter or General Banter or something like such would be much better. People should be able to chat about life and things that happened without an admit-ably small team saying it'd be too much work to maintain based off accounts over a year ago from a few immature members. And with that, I make my thesis: A Chat Topic or method for people to talk to everyone in the forum easily would be helpful in my opinion, and should at least get another trial to see how it goes. And with that, I conclude this essay. ... Whew, that took a long time to write. Hopefully it'll at least be given some serious consideration... Ah well, here's my argument, debate as you will, I've done my part I guess. /submits new thread

2010-04-14 22:57:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Could we at least have one for a few days to see how things go? And we could even have a moderator just for that thread?

2010-04-14 23:09:00 Author: Doopz Posts: 5592

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Actually, that'll be a good idea. I always liked to post something here, but the General Chat forum got a little bit too... umm... "strict", in other words. So ya, I'm up for some sort of beta for this. Who knows, maybe it'll work. (Oh, and how about for a feature that if someone abuses the section, they'll be "blocked" from that section for either a few days or just life. That way, we'll have people who don't abuse it active in that section, and those who do abuse it won't bother us in that section. What do you think?)

2010-04-14 23:29:00 Author: CyberSora Posts: 5551

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I really think everything has its place on LBPC, if you want to small talk, join a group, wanna talk about yourself? Blog it A spam can er...Off Topic Thread almost always gets out of hand, as for your argument that something like that is in the past and is less likely to happen to a thread now...im not so sure.

2010-04-14 23:29:00 Author: Littlebigdude805 Posts: 1924

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I think we matured enough to handle the Spam Can again. If not, then I think CC will never put it up again, and nobody will ever suggest it again.

2010-04-14 23:32:00 Author: CyberSora Posts: 5551

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Yes, we could use an instant messenger client- however, things like MSN or AIM or Yahoo are just, well, too private. Wouldn't it be more convenient to be able to chat in real time though? IRC would seem an obvious option, and/or I believe there's some sort of group chat option on ArrowChat if/when that makes a return. I'm usually on ##ps3 on freenode, and there's a web interface here: http://java.freenode.net/?channel=%23ps3

2010-04-14 23:34:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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Wouldn't it be more convenient to be able to chat in real time though? IRC would seem an obvious option, and/or I believe there's some sort of group chat option on ArrowChat if/when that makes a return. I'm usually on ##ps3 on freenode, and there's a web interface here: http://java.freenode.net/?channel=%23ps3 As I said in the essay... I don't want to chat with just friends, I want to talk with the forum. Interact with everyone, not just people who I have on messenger. If there was a chatbox or other universal chatroom thing, that would work too- I merely want a place where everyone can chat with everyone without having to already be friends or know them, and not just talk privately.

2010-04-14 23:38:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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As I said in the essay... I don't want to chat with just friends, I want to talk with the forum. I believe it's possible to do that with ArrowChat, although it might be better to ask CC.

2010-04-14 23:51:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870

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I believe it's possible to do that with ArrowChat, although it might be better to ask CC. ArrowChat is only for friends. Not to mention that you need to make a chat room, and hardly anybody visits them.

2010-04-15 00:55:00 Author: CyberSora Posts: 5551

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Yeah i don't really see why not. As long as it doesn't get out of hand it will be fine...I think

2010-04-15 01:24:00 Author: rseah Posts: 2701

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Win post is win. I agree, it is surely deserving of a weeks trial run at least? I don't really see what harm that could do? (thanks for taking the time to write that up Rock )

2010-04-15 07:07:00 Author: Unknown User

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Win post is win. I agree, it is surely deserving of a weeks trial run at least? I don't really see what harm that could do? (thanks for taking the time to write that up Rock ) I don't really have anything to say because I'd just be repeating this but yeah I think it's at least worth giving it a shot to see how it goes.

2010-04-15 07:29:00 Author: SR20DETDOG Posts: 2431

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Let's give it a shot, pweaaaaaase lol

2010-04-15 17:31:00 Author: Alec Posts: 3871

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Sorry to bring it up, but I still don't see why all of you that are interested just can't make a group or take advantage of one of the ones already created like the Off Topic Group. You could probably even make a thread in General Chat to bring those interested in to join. Plus if done correctly, those posts updating the latest antics as well as inviting others to your group would then be on topic. Really doesn't matter to me if they do allow you to do what you want, but it seems like you are not taking advantage of what is already available. I've found a few groups that are quite a bit of fun and you never know what will be discussed next. If you really want this so badly, I would think you would already be doing it at least in some fashion in a group. What's holding you back?

2010-04-15 17:54:00 Author: jwwphotos Posts: 11383

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The Spam Can was awesome and some of the funniest moments of LBPC history was made in that thread I agree with Rock, it would be very nice just to give a little update on your lives, without having to start a completely new topic. I also think the Spam Can could also be much more enjoyable now, since new memebrs have arrived, and old enemies have left (not that there were any ) Thanks for listening! (Or reading as the case may be ) -plasma

2010-04-15 18:03:00 Author: Plasmavore Posts: 1913

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Rock I was in complete agreement with you except for the part that we've matured... and then... the guy above me (JWW) posted, and he's right! Start a group... show it'll work, "Real WATER!(cooler) Topics!" or "The 3G Network:Gaggle of Gabbing Gadders" or "THE HUB" or "Central Core"... If it's stated upfront, that the groups purpose is one of inclusion and off, -off topic posts, then anyone who found themselves there would already know what to expect and it would probably earn you a little more leniency with the moderators. Of course, having its' own Mod would be 'choice', but, probably a convenience the site may not support. Oh, and well said Rock.

2010-04-15 18:29:00 Author: Gravel Posts: 1308

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Rock I was in complete agreement with you except for the part that we've matured... and then... the guy above me (JWW) posted, and he's right! Start a group... show it'll work, "Real WATER!(cooler) Topics!" or "The 3G Network:Gaggle of Gabbing Gadders" or "THE HUB" or "Central Core"... If it's stated upfront, that the groups purpose is one of inclusion and off, -off topic posts, then anyone who found themselves there would already know what to expect and it would probably earn you a little more leniency with the moderators. . I understood none of that. I really don't see the harm in a week long trial thread though....

2010-04-15 18:49:00 Author: Unknown User

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I understood none of that. I really don't see the harm in a week long trial thread though.... He's saying something about the groups or... eh, kinda hard for me to understand Gravel too XD And yes, jww we could make a group, and yes there are many there... they are just so far out and inconvenient and unknown that makes them impractical, not to mention they're proof we can handle small chatter. It just would be so much easier to have a chat room general thread for talking with all of LBPC then just another group thing out of the way.

2010-04-15 20:30:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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Gravel agrees with you for the most part, however he isn't sure that we've "matured". He agrees with JWW, start a group, and show us it will work. He provided some nifty group titles, (I personally like the "Real WATER!(cooler) topics") then went on to explain the advantages of starting in a group specifically for off topic discussion.(less static from mods, people know what they're doing there, etc) As to my opinions... I'm not sure why a group thread is a bad idea. Anyone who's interested can join, everyone else can just stay away from the group.

2010-04-15 20:40:00 Author: Burnvictim42 Posts: 3322

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What's all this about an Off Topic Group? http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/group.php?groupid=358 I'll just leave that there...

2010-04-15 20:46:00 Author: Doopz Posts: 5592

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What's all this about an Off Topic Group? http://www.lbpcentral.com/forums/group.php?groupid=358 I'll just leave that there... Going by the current rules, that should be locked too >_> And, again, it's too far off the beaten path to actually be useful, and only has a few members, and having a topic just to recruit people to a group with a task easily obtainable and better served in a topic just seems bizarre. I just want a place where LBPC can talk without having to go to some private method or some out of the way group. Why can't we just have that?

2010-04-15 22:20:00 Author: RockSauron Posts: 10882

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And, again, it's too far off the beaten path to actually be useful, and only has a few members I guess I'm not sure why it's a problem that it's in a different location. If you want to use it, you'll use it. Let's see... Homepage > Forums > General Chat > Off Topic Thread Homepage > Profile > Off Topic Group > Desired Thread Strikes me that it takes just as much work to get to one or the other. I wouldn't call that off the beaten path, I'd call it in just a different location. I just want a place where LBPC can talk without having to go to some private method or some out of the way group. Why can't we just have that? Again, it's public and in a location such that it doesn't overrun the other forums. The "out of the way" factor is a plus in my mind, as some members won't appreciate an off topic thread, and will just be annoyed by it dominating the General Chat Forums. If it's a problem of people not knowing about it... spread the word. --- At the end of the day, it's CC's call. Due to the sour experiences with the Spam Can a year ago, it is unlikely that it will ever be brought back. I wouldn't try to argue that we are more mature than a year ago. Firstly, that's entirely subjective, and there's no real way to back up such a statement. That said, I'm not sure that we even are more mature.

2010-04-15 22:38:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338

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At the end of the day, it's CC's call. Due to the sour experiences with the Spam Can a year ago, it is unlikely that it will ever be brought back. I wouldn't try to argue that we are more mature than a year ago. Firstly, that's entirely subjective, and there's no real way to back up such a statement. That said, I'm not sure that we even are more mature. That's seems right. I think the only difference here is that we kicked out all the spammers (or they stoppped coming after Spam Can was kicked out).

2010-04-16 01:53:00 Author: CyberSora Posts: 5551

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That's seems right. I think the only difference here is that we kicked out all the spammers (or they stoppped coming after Spam Can was kicked out). ha, you wish...

2010-04-16 17:01:00 Author: Unknown User

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Wow and I wasn't here for it

2010-04-20 00:58:00 Author: agrx Posts: 192

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