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Water enhancement and music

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I would like some opinions of things i have been thinking of and hear some of your ideas


Placeble water: I love the new water in lbp but one thing i have been wishing for a long time is placeble water. I dont know how to explain this one two good but what im saying is more realistice water (not to say the lbp water isnt) like a meterial that you can draw water shapes and when you press play or exit your popit it colapses like real water. If we had this we could place it in contaners and make realistic traps and stuff like that. Just a thought!

Water tweaks: I know that they have water bits and waves but i was thinking aboiut water density, If we had this it could be like we could make it to where the sackboy can run along it but if he stops runing he would slowly sink, when under he would have to swim slower depending on the density, and also this one is sort of a shot in the dark but what if we could atach certaint switches to the water similar to the magnetic switch and when you have two of the same color switches it would cause a wave to follow it. like having a big wheel in the back ground and one piece of thr pairs of the two switches is attached to it and a motor bolt in the middle of the wheel when on of the switches enters the others radius a wave (size is up to you availible in tweak menu) follows the switch until it is out of radius. I hope that cleared things up a little.

Music: im sorry if you have herd this a million times before but i would love Mm to make like a music pack with actual songs and you could buy like albums on the play station store and use them in your levels.

I would love to hear your opinions on this.
2010-04-02 04:31:00

Author:
Lolz567
Posts: 17


Full dynamic water would be too much for the engine.2010-04-02 04:59:00

Author:
Arkei
Posts: 1432


We could have water tiles, Like in Super Mario World, that act like water, but aren't dynamic, they just hover in place (for example, you could just cut one into the shape of a container, it'd "sit" in the container, but it would just be floating)2010-04-02 12:54:00

Author:
Matimoo
Posts: 1027


Placeble water: I love the new water in lbp but one thing i have been wishing for a long time is placeble water.

I don't think this would be too much trouble, similar to how gas works today. The only problem is how to implement it... would it be exactly like gas? In other words, could you place a pool of water in one layer and not the other and still get away with it? Or would the water spread out after you unpaused and "leak" into areas that aren't watertight?

In the former, you could possibly be implement this feature with minimal difficulty. If you're talking the latter situation, you're looking at thousands of lines of new code to detect leaks, etc that currently doesn't exist in the game. If this does get put in, I'd bank on the former scenario.



Music: im sorry if you have herd this a million times before but i would love Mm to make like a music pack with actual songs and you could buy like albums on the play station store and use them in your levels.There's an "album" of three songs available on the PS Store right now, and it's the first of what I can only assume will be more music packs. (The pack is labeled #1, most likely of a series.)



Water tweaks:... i was thinking aboiut water density... and when you have two of the same color switches it would cause a wave to follow it...

Full dynamic water would be too much for the engine.

I'd argue that the water in game is mostly dynamic. Sackboy is too heavy to "skip" across real water, and that's why he sinks when he jumps in. Changing the density of the water would turn it into, well, something other than water. As for wave replication, it's an interesting idea although I'm not sure how much application it would have in a level. The effect may just be that all of the "Shark survival!" levels existing today are replaced by "Surf Away from the Shark!" levels.

2010-04-02 13:36:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239


There's an "album" of three songs available on the PS Store right now, and it's the first of what I can only assume will be more music packs. (The pack is labeled #1, most likely of a series.)



I know there is an album in the LBPS but what I am talking about is like music you hear on the radio or a cd you go buy at the store. And we chould either buy it on the LBPS or put the CD into our PS3 and upload it to our level.

And i never thought of the water and gas thing that way it is a good idea.

And the waves application I was talking about how you can control the size of the waves and if your makeing a level that has alot of water in it such as Bunker 2 you could add some cool realistic effects to parts when your in a boat and when your swimming also i was talking about makeing traps with it like you use a larg counter swich with a paintonator switch attached and your in a room filling with water and everytime you miss the paintonator switch a door opens and a big flow of water burst in and if you dont destroy the paintonator switch the room would fill with watter only givint the sack boy 30 seconds to get out or well die. and puting a switch in the water and on the top of the place your in would ease up the proces by allowing the sackboy to respind out side.
2010-04-02 16:24:00

Author:
Lolz567
Posts: 17


I know there is an album in the LBPS but what I am talking about is like music you hear on the radio or a cd you go buy at the store. And we chould either buy it on the LBPS or put the CD into our PS3 and upload it to our level.



That, sir, is an insult to Ananda Shankar, DJ Shadow, and Battles - all of which I've heard on radio.
2010-04-03 03:46:00

Author:
SLS10
Posts: 1129


Full dynamic water would be too much for the engine.

Indeed, think about this, if just a simple rain effect splach gives so much trouble and lag, then my guess is the system can;t take it too well.
Let me put it to you in an easier way, we can't even break materials in a more realistic way than just poofing them out of existance, and you're asking for smearable/ leaking/ full physic following water?

Trust me, i'm quite positive that if they could have added that then they would have, but sunce they can't they wont, they're just working with what they can m8, be grateful that we "AT LEAST" got that kind of water as we could be simply and completly waterless right now.

So don't worry about it, i'm pretty sure if they ever find a way to implemement something like that they will, just be patient.
2010-04-06 12:48:00

Author:
Silverleon
Posts: 6707


Yeah, what silverleon said, alot have been asking for this stuf, including me lol, but still maybe the engine isnt enough for this, perhaps for now, who knows...2010-04-06 16:24:00

Author:
Bloo_boy
Posts: 1019


I know there is an album in the LBPS but what I am talking about is like music you hear on the radio or a cd you go buy at the store. And we chould either buy it on the LBPS or put the CD into our PS3 and upload it to our level.

I'd rather let MM spend their money on improving the game in other ways rather than worrying about licensing/copyright laws. In other words, I wouldn't hold your breath. The reason you'll never get actual music off a CD and/or the PSN is because of copyrights and licensing. The pieces chosen for LBP and the associated add-on packs have been licensed for creative use within the game, and had to pay the composers for that creative license of their music.

You're much more likely to receive one or two more music pack add-ons than ever hear JayZ in your level.

(Besides, can you imagine all the plays a level called "Surfin' Safari by da Beach Boyz Shark Bomb Ramp Survival H4H levulzZ!!1!" would get?)

2010-04-06 18:02:00

Author:
schm0
Posts: 1239


I always thought that a cool and i would think doable water enhancement would be an "air bubble" Instead of the bubble emitter thing. I mean a placeable bubble that you can actually stay in and not drown. maybe make it tweakable so the longer you stay in it the smaller it gets or keep it infinite. I know it seems like an odd thing, but it would make it possible to do better submarines/diving bells/ and i would think awesome survival races......2010-04-09 12:26:00

Author:
Memodrix
Posts: 879


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