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PS3 Firmware 3.21
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| Is live now. You will be prompted to update next time you boot up the system. All this does is remove the ability to install alternate operating systems on older models. Newer models never had the feature. Source, and More Info (http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/03/28/ps3-firmware-v3-21-update/)  Edit: It's a short 5 second download and about a 5 minute install. Not too bad, methinks. | 2010-04-01 04:21:00 Author: comphermc  Posts: 5338 |
| what if i wanted an alternate operating system...i like having options | 2010-04-01 04:57:00 Author: sean96sx  Posts: 71 |
| what if i wanted an alternate operating system...i like having options I guess you send an angry letter to Sony? Can't help you there, sadly. | 2010-04-01 05:02:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| its cool, just hypothetical. i'm too much of a sheep to do anything about my ps3's os. heck, i never even got into linux despite my dislike for microsoft | 2010-04-01 05:28:00 Author: sean96sx Posts: 71 |
| well they are removing the feature because it was finally found out how to hack a ps3 using linux operating system. Its apparently too difficult for normal people to do however. But its good to see sony stopping their consoles from being hacked unlike of microsoft and nintendo. | 2010-04-01 08:11:00 Author: robotiod  Posts: 2662 |
| Quick download? Mine took ages, not to mention it stuffed up twice so I had to restart. Hmm, so what exactly did it do? Are there any benefits of the update? | 2010-04-01 09:31:00 Author: The Last Stop  Posts: 240 |
Microsoft just block people from Xbawks Live-  I'm not bothered by the removal of this feature, I have no interest in Linux anyway... | 2010-04-01 09:32:00 Author: FuzzballFox  Posts: 217 |
| Microsoft may have 'laws' on hacking, for example, blocking people from using xbox live, but on the Wii, you can almost do whatever you want. I can't hack my wii, for the choice of me not wanting to, but almost every other person I know that has a wii, hacks it all the time. The punishment? Nothing. Now, imagine if everyone started to hack the PS3. It would get quite annoying. But, because i've only had a slim PS3, I have no idea of what the Linux operating system was like. | 2010-04-01 09:39:00 Author: RadioPaint  Posts: 61 |
| Edit: It's a short 5 second download and about a 5 minute install. Not too bad, methinks. not if you have a crappy internet connection like me  It took me like 10minutes too download and ~2-3 min to install | 2010-04-01 11:46:00 Author: Dexist  Posts: 570 |
| they say install but in all fairness its more like an uninstall. that was funnier in my head. | 2010-04-01 11:52:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| All this does is remove the ability to install alternate operating systems on older models. Actually, there's a little more to it than that, if you read the official update feature list (http://uk.playstation.com/ps3/support/system-software/detail/item272598/Update-features-%28ver-3-21%29/). The link is for the UK site, as the US site seems to believe that pointless bandwidth-killing flashy graphics are more important than up-to-date information. An update to the PS3 system software was released on 1 April 2010. If you update your PS3 system, the system software version will be 3.21 and the following features will be updated. In order to download PS3 system software version 3.21, you will need a minimum 165MB of free space on either the PS3 Hard Disk Drive (System Update) or on removable storage media (PC Update). Main features in system software update version 3.21 Settings The [Install Other OS] and [Default System] features have been deleted. Other ? The playback quality of some PlayStation? format software that is downloaded (as a purchase or for free) from PlayStation?Store has been improved. ? A security patch was added to address security vulnerabilities that may occur when playing MP4 format video files. For anyone already using an alternative OS on their PS3, make sure you back it up before installing the patch, otherwise you won't be able to access it again. You can opt not to install the update, but then you won't be able to sign in to the PlayStation Network ever again. Pretty lame, IMHO, but whatever... they say install but in all fairness its more like an uninstall. that was funnier in my head. How about: they call it an upgrade but it's more like a downgrade? Not particularly funny - it's quite depressing actually. | 2010-04-01 11:55:00 Author: Aya042  Posts: 2870 |
| If you want to send someone an angry letter send it to Geohot, the guy that hacked the PS3. This is Sonys response to this. | 2010-04-01 12:07:00 Author: wexfordian  Posts: 1904 |
| If you want to send someone an angry letter send it to Geohot, the guy that hacked the PS3. This is Sonys response to this. Looks like he's gotten enough already if you read some of the comments on his blog. (http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/) But they're right - he really should've completed his CFW before announcing his findings, since he's screwed over a lot of PS3 users by doing this. FWIW, you can bypass the patch and still log in to PSN by using a custom proxy server (for anyone geeky enough to care). | 2010-04-01 12:38:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870 |
| Hmm.... on April Fools day... I must assume everything is an April Fools joke. I bet it makes your PS3 explode into lots of confetti that spell out April Fools now you have to buy a new PS3 . Lol, I really should stop with calling everything an April Fools joke.... | 2010-04-01 12:39:00 Author: Doopz  Posts: 5592 |
| So, after this update my lbp pod is going insane. The screen is tearing, the controller in the pod his Vertexes are literally jumping against all corners in my pod and there is this huge polygon mistake in the controller that makes the whole screen go glitchy and seizuring. Anybody else had this problem? I also heard from damaz that european psn servers are atm very laggy/glitchy/buggy. edit: tried turning on/off ps3, didnt work.. also happened in pods of other users I joined, cleaned lbp disc.. still no luck. ive had it happen before after lbp potc update, but as bad as this.. never. | 2010-04-01 15:09:00 Author: Luos_83  Posts: 2136 |
| I downloaded the update this morning and didn't notice anything strange when going into LBP. But I have gotten random polygon stretching on my costume a lot prior to this. Usually reloading the costume fixes it, but I have no idea what causes it. Have you tried resetting your pod? | 2010-04-01 15:13:00 Author: Gilgamesh  Posts: 2536 |
| Yes I did, didnt help.. I loaded some other pod but nothing. I really think its a polygon-error in the controller. I recognise it due to finding like 100 of them in a mountain I had to pelt-map when I was an Enviroment Artist. It means that there is a mistake in one of the vertexes making it impossible for certain triangles to be.. well.. triangles. | 2010-04-01 15:20:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136 |
| Yes I did, didnt help.. I loaded some other pod but nothing. I really think its a polygon-error in the controller. I recognise it due to finding like 100 of them in a mountain I had to pelt-map when I was an Enviroment Artist. It means that there is a mistake in one of the vertexes making it impossible for certain triangles to be.. well.. triangles. Can you take pictures of it? Or do they just show up like they normally would? | 2010-04-01 15:41:00 Author: Doopz Posts: 5592 |
| edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCmX2VuGnrM Heres the video! | 2010-04-01 16:06:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136 |
| Does it delete the operating system if it's installed? My dad installed Linux and I really want the extra memory | 2010-04-01 17:04:00 Author: Unknown User  |
| Does it delete the operating system if it's installed? My dad installed Linux and I really want the extra memory Not sure. The documentation implies that the linux partition merely becomes inaccessible, so I think you'd have to repartition (and unfortunately reformat) the entire disk to get the space back again. | 2010-04-01 17:09:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870 |
| I can't believe they're doing this, it's huge! I only used Linux for a few weeks after my laptop died, but I'm sure there'll be some people out there who've come to depend on it as a PC. I'd have been gutted if they'd done it before I got my new desktop. Quite annoyed that I need to mess about backing up and formatting my HD before I can do anything else too. I only popped on to check the store. Rubbish!  | 2010-04-01 17:15:00 Author: Kiminski  Posts: 545 |
| :kz:It's a downgrade. | 2010-04-02 21:04:00 Author: FreeFlyzz  Posts: 265 |
| If you haven't heard the hullabaloo over this one, 3.21 removes the other os (linux) functionality from older "phat" ps3's. As far as I've read, that is the only thing it does, but never mind about that. Now I have never used linux and I probably never would've gotten around to it unless something awesome came along for it, but I still have pretty strong feelings about this one. The gist of Sony's reasoning is security, but they don't elaborate beyond that. What is generally understood is that it was done because of Geohot's successful hacking of the ps3 through the other os function. I'm not completely clear on what it entailed, but he was at least able to get access to the gpu and its 250M of ram in linux, and it's been speculated that it could lead to future homebrew on ps3 or even piracy. My personal feelings are that it was wrong of Sony to remove linux from everybody who uses it and that it sets a nasty precedent for future software updates by Sony or other companies. But that's not really why I'm posting this thread: there are plenty of threads over on the playstation blog where people can vent their feelings about the subject one way or the other. I'm posting this to let players know they don't have to update just yet (I've tried posting the same thing over there, but the mods keep deleting my post). Geohot has said that he's working on a custom firmware for the ps3. (http://geohotps3.blogspot.com/2010/03/dont-update.html#disqus_thread) He says he's not going to implement any sort of piracy features (though it's probably that others who follow his work will) but that he's just going to make it so users can update without losing their other os functionality. He also says that in the mean time, you can use a proxy to allow you to access the psn without updating. (http://www.ps3news.com/forums/ps3-guides-tutorials/psn-firmware-bypass-using-only-ps3-proxy-98033.html) I don't know what will come of it. I'd really like to see Sony taken to court and forced to re-enable other os... but that seems unlikely. It's possible a class action suit will be successful but if it is, I'd bet Sony will just end up paying some sort of compensation and will leave other os out. Anyway, if there are any of you out there waiting to see what happens before updating and you don't want to lose out on psn access, you can use the proxy method I linked to. | 2010-04-03 05:07:00 Author: Sehven  Posts: 2188 |
| I had my Chinese dragon head stretch like that before. It was kind of annoying. Anyways, I read somewhere that there's a hacker that's trying to find a way to get another OS running on the PS3 with the coming of this patch. It's too bad that I have a slim ps3, so I never got to play around with linux | 2010-04-03 06:36:00 Author: xKaijudox  Posts: 32 |
| Won't happen, the update is optional. Either way, it's not really that big of a deal anymore... Simply because the cell is virtually dead for any practical use now. But. yes... I'm not really happy about this. | 2010-04-03 09:31:00 Author: microchirp  Posts: 412 |
| https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=24702-PS3-Firmware-3-21&highlight=firmware+3.21 there is already a thread on this but thanks for the pirate update. however i'm sticking with official firmware. | 2010-04-03 09:43:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| The last thing i want to see for the PS3 is piracy. I've been making a personal effort to not download any games illegally or even buy pre-owned. Ideally everyone would do the same, but an increase in security seems like a step forward at least | 2010-04-03 17:07:00 Author: Dexiro  Posts: 2100 |
| there is already a thread on this Ah. I never use these forums for anything other than lbp, so I didn't know where to look. Thanks for that. Anyway, the point of this thread was to inform anybody who might be waiting it out (whether they're waiting for a hack, or hoping in vain that Sony will change their minds) rather than updating that they don't have to lose psn access just yet. Personally, I do engage in piracy, but I don't do it on consoles that I use on their official networks (I use the psn on my ps3, but not my psp, so even if the ps3 gets hacked, I won't pirate on it) because I tried it with the original xbox and was eventually blocked from xbox live. For those brave enough to use a custom firmware (should geohot be successful) for the sake of keeping linux and psn/new games, I am all for it. I considered going this route even though I've never had linux on my ps3 (it was always something I planned on doing "when I got around to it"), but I decided to just update. Anyway, like I said, I just didn't want anybody losing psn access. At least for now. | 2010-04-04 10:35:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188 |
| I always planned on using linux but never got around to it. Maybe I never would have. Still, this is an outrage. It also sets a nasty precedent: what else can Sony take away? Some have suggested they'll disable ps3 bc, but that seems ludicrous to me (of course I thought the same thing about otheros...). And not just Sony. Now that Sony's done it, if there's no backlash, what's to stop Microsoft or Apple from pulling a similar stunt on their hardware? I realize that sounds paranoid, but a month ago when people speculated that Sony might remove linux, it seemed paranoid. If you want to send someone an angry letter send it to Geohot, the guy that hacked the PS3. This is Sonys response to this. First off, I want to say that I respect you as a creator and I really enjoy your levels. I would prefer not to have any bad blood with you or any of the other members here, but I feel compelled to speak my mind on this subject. Blaming Geohot is idiotic. One person discovered a hack which requires opening up the ps3 and soldering and which doesn't do much of anything so far. Sony's retaliation is to punish everybody (everybody with a fat ps3) by removing a core feature that was advertised back in '06 before the system released. Blaming Geohot is what they want us to do. Whether he was right in what he did or not, Sony just made him right. Now he's the hero who's working on a cfw to bring back an advertised feature that was a factor in many people's purchasing a ps3. I wasn't planning on getting into an anti-Sony rant on this site (I've done plenty on Sony's sites, though), but when people are indifferent to oppression, it really ****** me off. One of my favorite quotes is "All that is needed for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."-Edmund Burke... probably. It's melodramatic, of course. Sony isn't evil: they're just wrong. What I referred to as oppression is a relatively minor thing that, at worst, costs a few hundred or maybe thousand people the price of a new computer or ps3. Some have argued that Sony is well within their rights to do what they did, and they may be: I don't know that much about legal stuff. But what they did is just plain wrong. For those who don't care because it doesn't directly affect you... good for you. I hope if you ever find yourself in a similar situation that does affect you, that the other people will be less indifferent and help you. If Sony were to catch enough backlash over this, they would be compelled to re-instate otheros... but that won't happen, because it doesn't affect enough people directly and the majority of people are self involved ****heads. | 2010-04-04 11:01:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188 |
| As far as I've read, that is the only thing it does, but never mind about that. Not quite (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=24702-PS3-Firmware-3-21#post427941), but the rest of the 'features' hardly make up for this patch effectively being a 'downgrade'. I'm posting this to let players know they don't have to update just yet Well, if this geohot guy can crack the encryption algorithm on the PS3 disk, then it doesn't really matter whether you patch or not. You could still remove the disk from the PS3, and mount it on another machine. I've tried posting the same thing over there, but the mods keep deleting my post. I wonder why?  | 2010-04-04 12:42:00 Author: Aya042 Posts: 2870 |
| Threads merged. And for the record, LBPC does not support hacking or pirating in any regard. If you want to argue that point, don't do it here (PMs are fun!). It's unfortunate that such a "downgrade" has occurred, but we will not be a source for spreading ways around the patch. Thank you. | 2010-04-04 14:17:00 Author: comphermc Posts: 5338 |
| I've tried posting the same thing over there, but the mods keep deleting my post I wonder why? Well, I certainly understand it, but it's still frustrating. I wasn't suggesting anything illegal: proxy support is an officially supported feature in the firmware.... until Sony releases a patch to disable it. For those who still think it's no big deal, imagine if Mm were to disable the creator's pack and make any level that uses it unplayable. Wouldn't you be angry? What if they told you it was to make the game more secure? Would it be ok then? Of course Mm would never pull a stunt like that (actually they're a first party dev now, which means they're part of Sony... but nah). It's a flawed analogy in a couple ways: linux support was announced before the ps3's release and was an advertised feature, while creator's pack released several months after lbp's releae; Linux support affected a relatively small percentage of ps3 customers, while creator's pack affects the majority of lbp owners, and it's bundled on the disc of the goty edition, so I'm sure it would be more problematic legally to disable it. Of course the biggest breakdown in the analogy is that Sony is a greedy company who doesn't care about their loyal consumer base, while Mm is an amazing dev company who has been incredibly supportive to their customers. I think I'm pretty much done with Sony... except that Mm is part of Sony, so not completely. Any games I buy from now will be used, especially first party games (unless it's Mm) and I won't be buying any downloaded games or dlc (except for lbp: stoked for the Incredibles). It's not much, and I have no delusions that it will hurt Sony at all, but I refuse to be indifferent. | 2010-04-04 18:08:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188 |
| It's a flawed analogy in a couple ways So why make it? | 2010-04-04 18:25:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
| I have to agree with Sehven, Geohot is actually a really nice guy. I have used his iPod hacking tools, and those enabled me to make my iPod look stylish and sexy. (Thanks Stephen fry) He has also allowed many people who have T-Mobile to use their iPhones with T-Mobile. I am also angry that I now can't brag to my 360 friends that I could use my PS3 as a computer. | 2010-04-05 07:10:00 Author: Deviantgeek  Posts: 386 |
| i scared of this update... i thought that it gonna replace the ps os with linux. don't know if i'm gonna update mine or not. so you cannot play mp4 format no more? | 2010-04-05 16:19:00 Author: ShiftyDog  Posts: 293 |
| i scared of this update... i thought that it gonna replace the ps os with linux. don't know if i'm gonna update mine or not. so you cannot play mp4 format no more? I dont quite understand what your saying. Can PS3 not play MP4 format???????? | 2010-04-05 16:23:00 Author: robotiod Posts: 2662 |
| I dont quite understand what your saying. Can PS3 not play MP4 format???????? i don't know... i never had a mp4 movie file on my ps3 before. but i don't get this: A security patch was added to address security vulnerabilities that may occur when playing MP4 format video files. | 2010-04-05 17:07:00 Author: ShiftyDog Posts: 293 |
| You can still play them... | 2010-04-05 18:02:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193 |
| Yeah this upgrade was sad... I actually sat there slack-jawed staring at the tv... you gotta be kidding me? To call it a downgrade is still not strongly worded enough. This is bad. And even armed with this threads' knowledge now, there really wasn't a choice at the time... Play my PS3 or not is the choice... Now that is not user friendly. | 2010-04-05 18:15:00 Author: Gravel  Posts: 1308 |
| Well, the other choice is to use a proxy to avoid updating, but that's not much of a solution. Eventually an update will come along that you can't work around, whether it's because of new features that need to be there for games to work properly, or they patch in a method for the psn to check your firmware. Proxying is more for the people who plan on hacking their ps3's in the future and as much as I like that idea, I'm not going to be doing it. I had a hacked xbox (the original, not the 360) and it was a constant tug-o-war between Ms and the hackers: Ms would find new ways of detecting the hack and ban the offending box from xbox live, and the hackers would find new ways to circumvent them, but you only needed to get detected once to have your box permanently banned. The psp's tug-o-war is even worse. Regardless of my feelings on any of the features of cfw, I'm just not willing to risk losing psn access on my ps3 (aka my little big planet machine). I've filed complaints against Sony with the Better Business Bureau and I can't remember who the other one was: some kind of legal whatever. I'm not optimistic about the outcome: I figure if enough people did it, Sony would have to back down; but enough people aren't going to do it. I figure if everybody quit spending money on Sony, or just reduced how much they spend, that would force them to back down too... but that won't happen either. Most people just don't seem to care about getting stepped on. I do think that the ps4 is going to have a tougher time when it launches than the ps3 did unless Sony uses a very different strategy. The people they've ****** off were the ones who were early adopters. We're the ones who bought the 60g when it was $600. During the first year when ps3 was really struggling and the format war between Bd and Hd-dvd was on, it was the early adopters who kept ps3 going and won the war for blu-ray. The ps4 better not take any similar risks because we won't have their back next time. | 2010-04-05 19:26:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188 |
| sounds like it's a bad idea for the hackers to update their console. | 2010-04-05 20:21:00 Author: ShiftyDog Posts: 293 |
| Link Removed Well that didn't take long. Please don't link to what is essentially a bypass around Sony's update. | 2010-04-07 20:24:00 Author: Rabid-Coot  Posts: 6728 |
| Comph asked us not to talk about the cfw here, and in particular, not to link to it. I was pleasantly surprised that he's made so much progress so quickly, though. In the end, I went ahead and updated my console, though: getting into these hacker battles against Sony is just too much trouble and I'm not willing to risk losing psn access.... even if Sony is being completely idiotic on this one. | 2010-04-08 22:16:00 Author: Sehven Posts: 2188 |
| I'm not that bothered to be honest (I actually thought it was a prank, 3.21 on April 1st seemed too conincidentual (<bad spelling ^_^)). The only thing that bothered me is that I had to turn on my Wii because it was taking too long. I love my Wii really ^_^ | 2010-04-09 20:45:00 Author: kirbyman62  Posts: 1893 |
| I had a few probs with them firmware to be honest, installing it was a pain but it wouldnt (let me play anything untill it was updated. (yes i was slow getting to this thread i was busy with work for a while sorry) | 2010-04-16 01:17:00 Author: sorrowthedark  Posts: 125 |
| The volume of new adopters to the PS3 system will most probably not be impacted that much. What WILL be are current PS3 owners, especially the early adopters, whose PS3 units fail, will be less likely to continue with the brand. Sony will lose a lot of their traditional early adopters when the PS4 is rolled out (yes, it's a long way off, but it will happen). People have long memories. The European market will lose potential value for Sony for two reasons. One will be the fallout from this complete farce, the other reason is Sony's continued treatment of their European userbase as 3rd-class citizens. One only has to look at other regions' DLC availability to see the discrepancies there. Also, let's remember to count the months between the PS4's US release date, and the European release date. | 2010-04-19 12:30:00 Author: Nakatsu Hime Posts: 59 |
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