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LBP COMMUNITY:Things Delicious by BOIA was, as i have heard a beautiful, yet disturbing level. It was moderated due to sexual themes. (rat sex) It is a shame. SHAME!! it is all MM's fault. Films, Videogames, youtube, and even comic books have a ratings system based on AGE! Oh, how novel a concept! LBP needs this. Needs a ratings system for age. Many of us are grown adults, and would like grown up material to play (not saying we need nudity and "sweary marys" but it would be nice...) so why not have it? because MM has generalized all LBP players as children. Well its time for a revolution. Even if it doesnt get anywhere. I hope MM is reading this so they get the picture. Im tired of not being able to create what I want and share it. Not porn. not smut. not filth. I want to create ART! so all of my fellow LBP players, I say unite, and make an artistic level with the best gameplay you can muster. the best visuals you can produce. but this time, dont be afraid to un-censor it. im not going to tell you WHAT that means, it's up to you. MODERATORS ON LBPC: If this forum is against any rules, please lock it or remove it. I dont mean to do anything wrong on this site, but idk if this violates any rules. If any of you agree with this, then lets organize a time and date to publish our levels, and we can all see what art we have made before the great day of mass moderation. Pleas comment on this, because I dont yet know if i think this is a good idea or not... So lets discuss this idea further first. P.S. If its ok, I would like this in "everything else LBP" cuz i think it's got more to do with the Moderations than it does with the idea of creating a level.

2010-03-26 01:28:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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Wait, LBP in America is rated "E for Everyone". This is the same thing as a "General audience" movie. The rating system is not the problem, its LBP that should have been rated "Teen" wich means 13 and up or something. http://www.digitalbattle.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/esrb_ratings.jpg Perfection would have been that each level is given a rating and your PSN account's age would have blocked you access to level not of your "rating". But this process would be so complicated that it was a given they don't do this. .

2010-03-26 01:43:00 Author: RangerZero Posts: 3901

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there is a statement on the back of the LBP box stating "all online interactions are NOT RATED by the ESRB" so i think an online ratings system would be an effective, and very innovative idea that just seems to click with lbp.

2010-03-26 01:46:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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A game about imagination and fun should have adult-themed content?

2010-03-26 01:55:00 Author: warlord_evil Posts: 4193

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im not saying "adult" as in that special section at your local video store... the one with the curtains? yea, not that. but i mean LBP should allow people young and old to let their full creativity show through. just because something has nudity doesnt make it porno. just because there is language doesnt make it evil. If you think that mature themes should never be allowed in LBP, then why not ban it from everything else? I just think that if sony/mm pioneered the first online videogame ratings system, they would be the cornerstone of a much improved videogame industry.

2010-03-26 02:06:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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I admit, my friend (obsessed with farts and stuff like that) has already had four levels moderated. If we could make great levels with mild shocking features like Delicious Things, and publish them at the same time, there'd be so many on LBP It wouldn't be worth the time to flag them all, would it? Even if they were, it's a brilliant protest... I'll gladly join.

2010-03-26 03:04:00 Author: Unknown User

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k. make sure there is no blatent porn or things like that. just gently make a statement and we will all agree when to publish, we will all publish at the same time.

2010-03-26 05:19:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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Many of us are grown adults Many LBP players are not. MM has generalized all LBP players as children. No, they have generalised the game as suitable and open to everyone. Even if it doesnt get anywhere. It won't get anywhere. I want to create ART! So do we all, but what exactly is it that you are yearning to create artistically, that is not acceptable on the servers? You say not smut or filth, and then use terms like gentle statement, whilst using sexual imagery as your example. So what exactly is it that you can't possibly express that you need to go ahead and create something unsuitable for the kiddies? And TBH, all I can imagine is a bunch of people throwing together a bunch of provocative scenes and spam publishing them onto cool pages for attention. That may not be your intention, but that's basically what is going to happen. Because as far as I can tell, this thread is about creating inappropriate material simply for the sake of creating inappropriate material. That's not art; well maybe if you fall into the category of shock-value artists, whick IMO is generallylittle more than pretention. The problem with this concept is that it assumes that you have the right to do what ever you want, with no consideration for others. You don't. There ARE children playing this game and all you will achieve through this will be to force your deliberately inappropriate material onto them. How does that benefit anyone? It's simply ignorant and insensitive behaviour. We all know full well that an act like this won't get the moderation policy changed - hell we can't even get the moderation policy changed so that it isn't completely broken, let alone get an arbitrary change put in for the sake of convenience. The best that will come out of this is that you'll gain a little bit of notoriety and publicity within the community, which a cynical man might say is the true aim here... Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that we shouldn't be able to create more adult material - show me a petition that says there should be the ability to vary age ranges / suitability on level and I'll sign it. I was a very strong supporter of Ungreth's Tenement as well - that was a true work of art. A visionary masterpiece that happened to go well beyond the bounds of what is acceptable. But it was beautiful and born of passion. You really want to create art? Do so. Most artistic expression can be carried out within the bounds of what is considered acceptable and if you happen to stray outside of that, then so be it. But deliberately creating material that is outside the acceptable bounds is not art, it's not an brilliant or effective protest, it's not a revolution or any of the things that you want it to be. It's simply more pointless spam on an already spammed out server.

2010-03-26 15:21:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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The only thing that I see happening with a plan like this is that MM/Sony may decide to apply an even stricter moderation policy. The current system is flawed and often boneheaded, but at the very least it's relatively loose in its application.

2010-03-26 15:48:00 Author: Gilgamesh Posts: 2536

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The online content is moderated with the PEGI rating as the basis. We're looking into the current situation to see if there is a problem in moderation, however it is most likely that this is coming about as a result of a change in the PEGI (the European equivalent of the ESRB) rules regarding user generated content such that all levels must comply with the original 7+ age rating of the game. Link (http://forums.littlebigworkshop.com/t5/General-Discussion/Moderation-Policy-Change/m-p/220324#M119483) So, yeah not much MM can do about that.

2010-03-26 16:01:00 Author: Syroc Posts: 3193

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Many of us are grown adults, and would like grown up material to play (not saying we need nudity and "sweary marys" but it would be nice...) so why not have it? Because it violates the EULA which you agreed to when first played the game. Im tired of not being able to create what I want and share it. If you can't be creative without following the guidelines, then perhaps you're not being very creative? Are there brilliant (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=23713-NOT-ACTUALLY-RECOMMENDING-Things-Delicious-by-BOIA&p=411584&viewfull=1#post411584) levels (https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=22592-Tenement-***Spotlighte*******/page2) that violate the EULA? Sure. But being creative and following the guidelines are not mutually exclusive. Wait, LBP in America is rated "E for Everyone". This is the same thing as a "General audience" movie. The rating system is not the problem, its LBP that should have been rated "Teen" wich means 13 and up or something. there is a statement on the back of the LBP box stating "all online interactions are NOT RATED by the ESRB" so i think an online ratings system would be an effective, and very innovative idea that just seems to click with lbp. Right, all interactions are not rated by the ESRB, because they have better things to do. MM, with the help of the community, moderates the content found online. By agreeing to the legal terms in the EULA you subject any and all content you create (and technically, anything you say or do) to moderation. Now, that being said, do I think the system in place is perfect? No, of course not. But it sure covers Sony and MM's butt in the case of a lawsuit. It also provides a quick and effective way to remove some pervert's creation that makes effective use of pistons and the corner editor, if you get my drift. So what exactly is it that you can't possibly express that you need to go ahead and create something unsuitable for the kiddies? And TBH, all I can imagine is a bunch of people throwing together a bunch of provocative scenes and spam publishing them onto cool pages for attention. That may not be your intention, but that's basically what is going to happen. Because as far as I can tell, this thread is about creating inappropriate material simply for the sake of creating inappropriate material. That's not art;... ...The problem with this concept is that it assumes that you have the right to do what ever you want, with no consideration for others. You don't. There ARE children playing this game and all you will achieve through this will be to force your deliberately inappropriate material onto them. How does that benefit anyone? It's simply ignorant and insensitive behaviour. ^^ This.

2010-03-26 17:17:00 Author: schm0 Posts: 1239

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It's hurts to know there's some BOIA greatness out there I'll never see. A long time ago I attempted a form of 'underground' level sharing, a place where people could make whatever they wanted and share their levels with people that wanted to do the same. There were almost no rules when it came to content, but I had strict rules when it came to admission in order to keep the kids out and hopefully maintain a certain level of quality when it came to what levels were submitted. I created a level that required a password for entry. Inside the level were keys to locked levels and the names of the levels that were submitted by members. This created a group of levels that could only be accessed by members. In order to become a member, you had to create and submit a level that obviously had time and effort put into it and it would have to feature content that would typically get a level moderated. I figured this way there would be a decent library of levels to play and children would be kept out because they would lack the skill required to become a member. It was, for the most part, a failure. It did work and it did keep kids out, but the amount of kids trying to get in made it very, very hard for me to get the ball rolling and eventually I experienced glitches with the keys that prevented me from even playing the levels that were submitted. Many people claiming to be over 18 wanted in, but they didn't want to make the effort. Levels that were submitted to me were usually crap that was slapped together in 5 minutes. Even the levels that did make the cut only did so because I became so desperate to get something, ANYTHING in there to get the thing started. Half of the people trying to get in didn't even read the level description which annoyed me to no end. My advice to you is to just enjoy what you got. If you want to make something that's not allowed on the servers then do it, but keep it to yourself or share with friends..... or you could attempt to build the community I attempted to build. Maybe you won't fail as badly as I did.

2010-03-26 19:36:00 Author: Reef1978 Posts: 527

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Ah yes, I can see it now the cool pages is no longer filled with bomb survivals but free naked ladies! OMG! Seriously this is a bad idea. Sorry but, you're just thinking about yourself here. If you all publish levels like this at the same time it'll flood the cool levels right? Well then what about when all the little 7 year olds come to play it? If there parents see them playing levels with naked people in they would probably ban them from playing the game. As much as I want this, I don't think this is the best way of getting it.

2010-03-26 19:47:00 Author: Doopz Posts: 5592

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Ah yes, I can see it now the cool pages is no longer filled with bomb survivals but free naked ladies! OMG! Seriously this is a bad idea. Sorry but, you're just thinking about yourself here. If you all publish levels like this at the same time it'll flood the cool levels right? Well then what about when all the little 7 year olds come to play it? If there parents see them playing levels with naked people in they would probably ban them from playing the game. As much as I want this, I don't think this is the best way of getting it. No, there will still be bomb survivals: BOMB THE SHARKS TRYING TO EAT THE NAKED CHIX! Hmmm...*goes into create mode*

2010-03-26 19:52:00 Author: Reef1978 Posts: 527

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no, there will still be bomb survivals: Bomb the sharks trying to eat the naked chix! with teh real wartorrz and 3d boobies!!!!111! edit: darn anti-shout filter. That's supposed to be all in caps

2010-03-26 19:53:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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I was about to ask why you killed my caps! lol Anti-shout filter...:hero:

2010-03-26 19:58:00 Author: Reef1978 Posts: 527

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I wouldnt mind modderation being a little more lenient, such as allowing a little blood here and there. But im not for having porn or just straight up nasty stuff in every other level. I can just imagine....."Porn survival REAL BEWBIES "....No.

2010-03-26 20:02:00 Author: Jrange378 Posts: 573

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Bad idea: You're only thinking about yourself and since this is a game for everyone, (not just kiddies, EVERYONE.) This should not happen. You agreed to keeping 7+ rating in the EULA. Simple as... Express you're creativity in such a way as Michael Angelo has? Make something on paint and go hide in a cupboard... This isn't the place for it.

2010-03-26 20:02:00 Author: KQuinn94Z Posts: 1758

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Ok. you have all given good and valuable oppinions to me. i thanked you all for contributing, and for helping me decide that this is a bad idea. but as mentioned earlier, an adult lbp club would be a very good alternative to this "protest" i never intended for this "protest" to force pormn on kids. i stated earlier that i want NO porn involved, as i believe it is harmfull to children AND adults to view pornography. all i originally intended was to create a level similar to Sin City comic books, with all the material intact. but i now believe an Adults Only community would be more appropriate. I am going to make a new PSN account, and pursue that myself, along with any others who would like to join. I will make a separate thread when that idea is realized. But I would like this thread closed. Thank you all for your time and comments

2010-03-26 21:00:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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If you're gonna make a new PSN at least call it something like I-am-a-N00B!

2010-03-26 22:26:00 Author: Doopz Posts: 5592

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lol. ill investigate into that. actually, i like that. i bet its not taken

2010-03-27 08:13:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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when i want to play a game with poop and boobies i usually don't turn to LBP.

2010-03-28 00:43:00 Author: monstahr Posts: 1361

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well, ther are a lot of poop survivals out there. lol

2010-03-28 09:02:00 Author: poorjack Posts: 1806

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