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A 'Creators' section.

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Now you'll have to bear with me here because I'm not sure if this would come across as a bit self indulgent or not!

I was thinking that it would be quite nice if there was a section of the forum whereby each creator has their own thread (literally called their PSN) and people can discuss the creators levels in general. The creator can update people on what they're currently up to and just general info! You get the idea.

I know the forum caters for all of these in around about ways (ideas and projects section etc) but I just thought it would be quite an interesting and worthy addition to just have it all in one place!

I think a creators comment section in the game would also be quite a good addition! I know you can easily just comment on one of the levels, but if you just want to give a general point, that would be much better!		2010-02-26 18:46:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

Yeah i agree with this. Writing comments on levels just isn't a good idea. First of all you don't get as much space if you want to write a full paragraph. And sometimes your comments won't be seen because of "h4h" spam. Also sometimes the comments simply don't show up. So this would be quite useful.2010-02-26 19:14:00

Author:
Doopz
Posts: 5592

I think this sounds fairly intriguing, but I'd want to set up some rules governing it. To avoid mess, I wouldn't want anyone except the individual posting a thread about themselves. I also don't really know how to best approach reviving threads in a forum such as this - would anything go?2010-02-27 04:53:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

It might also be hard for new creators or ones that aren't as established because their threads might be a silent monument to them by them. I know mine would probably just kind of sit there and slowly move back through the pages. Maybe if there was some kind of requirement (having so many levels, so many plays, etc) before being able to make a thread about yourself?

Just thought of this after I posted, what about having it set up like the level showcase where if a certain creator is popular they get put under the popular creator thread.		2010-02-27 08:58:00

Author:
shebhnt
Posts: 414

I think this sounds fairly intriguing, but I'd want to set up some rules governing it. To avoid mess, I wouldn't want anyone except the individual posting a thread about themselves. I also don't really know how to best approach reviving threads in a forum such as this - would anything go?

Yeah I think there would definitely be more rules that were needed.

In terms of reviving threads, I think it would probably work best in terms of the showcase. Whereby bumping an old thread isn't an issue as long as you're saying something worthwhile. Or the OP double posting only if they have something big to update people on.

In an ideal world, I wouldn't really want this to be a promotional only type thing. I'd like to see others get involved and discuss and compare the persons creations or how they've got better etc. It's a topic that never really gets spoke about other than 'this is better than your last level' type stuff in a showcase thread. I think there is some good scope for discussion in stuff like this.

But I do agree that guidelines would have to be put in place to ensure that it is done well. A 'cool pages' section like what was suggested above could work well, but then that might push it a bit too much into the whole promotional thing and I think it would be a shame if it just turned into that.		2010-02-27 16:28:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

I wasn't that thrilled about this idea when I first read it, but this might be a nice feature if used properly. Sort of a creator profile of sorts, but done similar to the Level Showcase.

I think if you go by the rules of engagement in the Level Showcase as Jack suggests, that would work pretty well. I also agree that I don't think there is a need for something called a Cool Creators like the Cool Levels work.

I think it would create a cool alternative search for other members! Nice idea!		2010-02-27 16:57:00

Author:
jwwphotos
Posts: 11383

Create profile was definitely along the lines of what I was thinking But if room for everyone to discuss and talk about their creations! 2010-02-27 17:02:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

I do like the idea of people helping you get better and showing you how you have improved. That is the one thing that I have been really looking for when it comes to the level showcase section. theAdipose has been helpful with that as he has left comments on each of my three levels and has encouraged me on how I have been improving.

I guess that if a creator stays active their thread should stay active. I just personally don't like feeling like I have to be constantly trying to promote my level so that I can get feedback. I'm not looking to get the trophies, I don't want to get my hearts just because I hearted somebody else, I want to get my create trophies because I made good levels.

*takes deep breath* Ok, enough ranting.		2010-02-28 00:45:00

Author:
shebhnt
Posts: 414

yea we don't have a place were people can improve upon each other. A feature like this could really bring the community together 2010-02-28 04:44:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

This would be a good addition.
A french forum about LBP uses this system with success for the members. There is a section "planet", where each one can open a thread (its own planet) and animate it. It was working very well.		2010-02-28 07:51:00

Author:
Takelow
Posts: 1355

Maybe I'm missing the point, but it sounds similar to the blogs. Perhaps they can be the basis for this creator profile thing?2010-02-28 21:00:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

I like it. I wouldn't need one right now, but it seems like a pretty cool idea. It could work sort of like a small website.2010-03-01 03:20:00

Author:
masterlemons
Posts: 85

These creator threads better not have star ratings like the other ones...

"Ha! Your rated one star!" - Example




I agree with the idea of having them though.		2010-03-01 03:25:00

Author:
warlord_evil
Posts: 4193

This would be a good addition.
A french forum about LBP uses this system with success for the members. There is a section "planet", where each one can open a thread (its own planet) and animate it. It was working very well.

Link?

10 characters		2010-03-01 04:57:00

Author:
Incinerator22
Posts: 3251

not a bad idea,
reviving threads.. well.. instead of bumping up when anybody is posting, maybe only bump it up when the creator is posting?
or after x posts.

I am all for it though!		2010-03-01 15:02:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

All seems promising! I think it could definitely add something to the forum. It's not as if it's something that has to be used by everyone. But if you wish to have a thread there then you obviously can. It just adds another interesting section for us all to check out if we wanted.

Personally I think it would be great to discuss creators in general as oppose to just briefly mentioning something in one of their showcase threads.		2010-03-01 16:15:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

Hmm I still have mixed feelings about this.

For one I worry that about the volume of threads being created that really don't need to be created. We get a huge amount of traffic clogging up the F4F levels section with people that come only to advertise their stuff and then disappear off the site entirely. Will having a creator section really function much differently, regardless of it's different intent?

Moreover, I fear that it will merely outline a popularity contest among authors here. A lot of [mostly newer] members here already feel that most of the attention is directed towards some of our more promient members. I think it's a lot tougher now to become reknowned here these days. So to see the popular names continually bumped to the top of the list with pages and pages of posts does nothing to disseminate the notion of favoritism and doesn't help promote the message of equality among us.

Not trying to be negative here, just realistic.

I've always thought that if we could promote more interest in the blog section, this would accomplish the same thing as jackofcourse's suggestion. I've tried keeping a running development blog for my levels, but it's clear that only Gilgamesh and Incinerator ever read anything I post. However, this would be an ideal place for authors to log their work and have running feedback on themselves in general. But, we need to get people reading these things first....		2010-03-01 16:32:00

Author:
Thegide
Posts: 1465

Oi, I read some of those, too! But you're right, I don't often check the blogs. Most of them are about mundane stuff, I prefer the ones that give you some new insight, like the blogs of Rtm and Fjonan. Come to think of it, I'm not sure if I'd be reading much in this proposed creator section.2010-03-01 21:33:00

Author:
Rogar
Posts: 2284

I can't help but agree with thegide. Between the blogs, the ideas and projects forum and the level and object showcase there are enough areas for creators to keep the masses updated on their activities.

With regards to having somewhere to discus a specific creator, that would just serve to give higher profile to those with already high profiles and as such make it harder for lesser known creators to get recognised. The rich get richer...		2010-03-01 23:05:00

Author:
rtm223
Posts: 6497

I don't think it'll lead to the rich getting richer. The features and sections that this forum has currently are enough for that to be the case if it was going to happen. I don't think there's any doubt that certain threads would get more attention than others.

Personally I don't buy into the whole 'rich getting richer' thing. People only post in threads if they want to, no one is forcing them. If they want to look for hidden talent then that is quite easily doable.

As I said, I wouldn't really want it to be a promotion thing. More of a discussion into the creator and why/how they're good, how they've got better etc. I suppose I'd expect it to progress through the members than the OP themselves. How much of an idealistic view I have on this though I'm not sure.		2010-03-01 23:26:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

On the flipside, what's to say it won't turn into a place for bashing creators? It'd be a shame for us to provide a place where such a thing could happen.

Just playing some Devil's advocate with ya, Jack.

That said, I'd totally make one for myself. Bring on the criticism!

2010-03-02 00:03:00

Author:
comphermc
Posts: 5338

Oh I agree, but you could equally say the same about any section really. especially about the showcase area

I'm not 100% whether this would work not or, in an idealistic world I think it would be a great idea, in practice, I dunno. Hence opening it up for discussion 		2010-03-02 00:12:00

Author:
jackofcourse
Posts: 1494

What I would like to see is a more costumizable "My creations" page,
so you can organize it yourself.
objects section here, levels section there.. maybe a picture along with the title...		2010-03-02 00:46:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

I really like Jackofcourse idea, I agree with Thegide in a way,
and Luos_Desruc's costumizable and detailled "My creations" page idea is very interesting!



Maybe a kind of creator profil page, like the member profile we all have here, but more focused on the creator side :
presenting all our levels in the same place, with pictures, informations about the level statistics, work in progress project, etc...
and maybe with a visitors message section too...?

Dont know, i'm not sure.... I'm just thinking.... 		2010-03-03 02:52:00

Author:
dajdaj03
Posts: 1486

yea, may be instead of a creators thread we can just upgrade the profile page, make them customizable, have display sections, make the visitor messages more inviting, right now it just feels like more of a messaging system than a "hey, welcome, leave a message", and for that matter we should have like an update message for people to see when they go to your page . Problem with blogs is it seems way too conceded to just post "Hey, this is my blog, talk about me, complement me" XD2010-03-03 04:58:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

But I see the problem with the profile page idea is that it is less likely to be viewed. I really like the blogs and am starting my own but I already see that they are not what people coming to this site to see.

If it is a section on the forums, the main aspect of this site, it is more likely to draw attention. If you were to do the profile thing you would have to completely redo the site to something like facebook but even then it would be all about who has the most friends.

If you have a thread then you atleast have the chance for more people to visit your thread and then when you have updates you can bump it up for another shot at temporary glory.		2010-03-03 05:55:00

Author:
shebhnt
Posts: 414

yea good arguement2010-03-03 06:00:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

@ Incinerator22:

http://www.littlebigplanet-france.net/votre-planete-f11/takelow-nova-t355.htm		2010-03-03 18:37:00

Author:
Takelow
Posts: 1355

For one I worry that about the volume of threads being created that really don't need to be created.


I can't help but agree with thegide. Between the blogs, the ideas and projects forum and the level and object showcase there are enough areas for creators to keep the masses updated on their activities.

I'm fairly new to this site, but after having had a quick look around, I'm also of the view that there's far too many 'posting areas' already, which seems to have the negative consequence of scattering similar (or even identical) topics of discussion into so many different places, that you can easily miss out on something awesome, and/or end up having the same discussions in two different places at the same time.

In terms of existing communication channels, I've found (so far)...

Forums
Blogs
Permissions Groups
Visitor Messages
Private Messages
Photo Album Comments
Chat (potentially)

...and there may be other channels I've yet to discover.

Browsing my way through all of these places can be somewhat tedious, so I'd much prefer if there were fewer channels through which to communicate, rather than more. Then I'm less likely to miss out on the gems which occur from time to time, hidden amongst the general background noise.

Furthermore, it seems to me that forum threads and blogs are conceptually the same thing anyway. A user creates a 'first post', other users 'reply' to it, and the 'OP' has the option to edit the 'first post'. Other than the way in which they're indexed, I don't see the difference.

As for achieving jack's original goal, would it be so bad to mimic the LBW convention, whereby each creator simply maintains a thread in the Level Showcase forum, and just edits the first post when they publish a new level, or have some other news they want to broadcast?

At the end of the day, it's all about visibility, so if you do have information you want to communicate, it's much more effective to put it in the areas where people are more likely to look, and Thegide's remark about no-one seemingly noticing his blogs seems to suggest that that's not the place to put it. 		2010-03-04 18:42:00

Author:
Aya042
Posts: 2870

What if you did do a creators thread but added this feature to it:

https://lbpcentral.lbp-hub.com/index.php?t=22984-Subscribe-to-Creators

That way you could see whenever your favorite creators posted new info on their levels.

Wait, can't you subscribe to a thread.... then this might be something that would already come built into this.		2010-03-04 20:25:00

Author:
shebhnt
Posts: 414

Yea i suppose it is, now the question is...who's conceded enough, or deserving enough, to make the first one :32010-03-05 04:24:00

Author:
Littlebigdude805
Posts: 1924

I think it should be a forum but the first post by the creator should have like 3 tabs each with their own responses which the creator can choose to clean the responses so on the first page of the thread only relevant-to-the-latest-update responses are found:
"Working on..."
This is where the news about projects would go
"My Levels"
News about tour Published levels like "Updated Level1 yesterday, fixed this and that" could link to level showcase
"Your suggestions"
suggestions from the fans like "Make a sequel to Level1" or "Your levels are a tad short, try to make them longer"

the only problem i see is that every creator good or not would want a his own thread, it would be like LBP's cool pages, so many levels come out at the same time that a part of the decent ones get unnoticed and never played so i think there should be a requeriment to have your own thread.

If you make a creator thread its for the people who follow you and your levels to see what is going on, so what if there was this system where the members of LBPC could vote for someone they like to have a creator thread, creators that get 15ish votes would get a thread, the 15 people that voted would be automatically suscribed to the creator thread and the famous creators with more than 100(or more idk) suscriptions would be moved into a cool creators subforum just like the level showcase, i mean 15 guys who like your levels and follow them is about the number that average creators have.

With this voting system we can avoid creator threads like:
"Hi im LBp4laif27
i dont have any levels but im making a bomb survival, check back later so you can play it"

Man, i think i left my imagination a little bit too loose, CC or any of the mods would something like i just said would be too hard and unrealistic to integrate?		2010-03-05 05:30:00

Author:
Racroz
Posts: 406


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