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Level: CC10 - Paddlewalker by Thegide and Luos_Desruc PSNID: Luos_Desruc Here's a sneak peek at our CC10 contest entry. I wanted to engineer a vehicle that did not rely on rocket propulsion, like so many of the other CC10 entries. A huge thanks to Luos for his hard work in designing the environment in which to showcase this contraption! Sorry the text bubbles aren't readable :blush: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLgFLURmwEU

2010-02-25 17:08:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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So does that mean I got a sneak sneak peak? The paddlewalker is so cool!

2010-02-25 17:41:00 Author: RobotCrash Posts: 121

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So does that mean I got a sneak sneak peak? The paddlewalker is so cool! Yeah, pretty much, Robot. Thanks man

2010-02-25 17:49:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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Wow, awesome creation! This almost makes me want to stop being lazy and make the vehicle I've been thinking about, just to compete with this (though I still haven't solved a major water motion issue with it).

2010-02-25 18:14:00 Author: Gilgamesh Posts: 2536

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Looks really cool. ^^ I like the splashing with the legs when its in Water-Mode xD

2010-02-25 20:21:00 Author: jakpe Posts: 84

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Totally amazing! Keep up the awesome work!

2010-02-26 01:59:00 Author: Aselrahc Posts: 185

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I hope you win, to be honest most of the other entrees are just dissapointing, but this is outstanding

2010-02-26 02:24:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251

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Well the contraption is ok but quite slow and the level is far too long and detailed. They did say in the rules try to make the level no more than a minute or two as they had lots to play through and that it was only the contraption they were interested in. I really hope they don't forget they said that and give you the win based on the level design because that would be unfair.

2010-02-26 02:34:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210

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Played it. Really cool. Original. Stable. The enviroment and the old peeps are beautifully made. Hey, if your contraption becomes a finalist, contact me and I will vote for it. I will surely forget about CC10, but if you become a finalist and need votes, message me.

2010-02-26 03:01:00 Author: ffha Posts: 48

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Well the contraption is ok but quite slow and the level is far too long and detailed. They did say in the rules try to make the level no more than a minute or two as they had lots to play through and that it was only the contraption they were interested in. What does the level need to include? Minimum - your vehicle, some land, some water and a scoreboard. Preferred - all the above, with some nice visuals, a background, some music and maybe a character explaining how to use your vehicle. You don't need to go overboard with the level because the only thing we judge is the contraption The level ended up being longer than intended due to environment design, but it was only for fun. We felt the contraption deserved a suitable thematic showcase, and so we built according to the "preferred" specifications. However, your point is valid and this has been addressed. For consideration of the judges, there is now a warp directly to the machine, and the first complete transition can be completed in roughly one minute. I really hope they don't forget they said that and give you the win based on the level design because that would be unfair. I have the utmost confidence that our judges can adhere to the scoring criteria.

2010-02-26 11:18:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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This one is a clear winner, and the level itself looks great aswell!

2010-02-26 11:47:00 Author: Cykelpumpen Posts: 62

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Blablablabla blablabla blabla blabla jealousy, blablabla, nitpicking.. blablabla.. (This is the third place you are posting this.. so it must be even deeper than I imagined) "Far too detailed" is the LAMEST excuse I have EVER heard. Go take a pint and stop bothering us m8.

2010-02-26 12:57:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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II have the utmost confidence that our judges can adhere to the scoring criteria. Going by previous contests I'd say that's pretty much the case. Nuclearfish always stresses whilst it's nice to have more than just the device in the published level, it's just the contraption that will be marked, and this is a fine contraption I did have a cheeky look at the video yesterday and it does look pretty cool - I've not been . I was secretly hoping you'd made a walker that swam (paddled) using it's limbs, but that's probably too much to ask, lol. Oh, and the whole level does look rather sexy - I'll be sure to check it out next time I'm on.

2010-02-26 13:25:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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The contraption looks great!! The transforming effects were simple, quick, clean, yet pretty neat. Good luck with the contest! (I'm in the US so I can't participate. *sob*)

2010-02-26 13:59:00 Author: RoharDragontamer Posts: 397

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Excellent vehicle! Have you tried fiddling with it to make the walk cycle a little faster?

2010-02-26 14:48:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454

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@ Luos : "Far too detailed" is the LAMEST excuse I have EVER heard. What are you talking about. It's not an excuse for anything. It was a simple observation. No need for you to come back with snide remarks just because someone speaks the truth and you feel guilty.

2010-02-26 14:58:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210

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Easy now! I think use of the word "excuse" may come down to minor language issues, I'm sure the jist of the sentiment got through, critisising a contraption entry for being too detailed does sound like you are looking to pick fault with it and struggling. And I wouldn't go arguing semantics and then immediately follow it up with something like "you feel guilty". Guilty about what? Making it look detailed? Why on earth would anyone feel guilty for that? Play nicely children

2010-02-26 15:27:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Here's the post in contention... Well the contraption is ok but quite slow and the level is far too long and detailed. They did say in the rules try to make the level no more than a minute or two as they had lots to play through and that it was only the contraption they were interested in. I really hope they don't forget they said that and give you the win based on the level design because that would be unfair. That the level is too detailed was just one of three points that mistervista made. I think what mistervista was getting at was, in the context of a Contraption Challenge, that the level needn't have so much work and effort put into it when only the contraption itself is being judged and he was concerned that the judges might look on the entry more favourably than they might of otherwise because of it. Thegide and rtm223 addressed this concern by writing that Nuclearfish is careful to only judge the contraption itself.

2010-02-26 15:45:00 Author: Ayneh Posts: 2454

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I was secretly hoping you'd made a walker that swam (paddled) using it's limbs, but that's probably too much to ask, lol. Well, it's not out of the question. I had considered adding elongated rear-facing "toes" to help the legs paddle. The big problem is that the use of paddles (including the flywheel) for motion in water is pretty inefficient. In order to get decent water movement speed, I really had to crank that motor bolt up. To get a substantial force from the legs, they would have to be moving at blazing speed I think. But as they are they probably contribute slightly. Excellent vehicle! Have you tried fiddling with it to make the walk cycle a little faster? I can improve the speed of the walk cycle. Since this has been suggested a couple of times, I'll try some tweaks on it tonight. I had it configured at a speed that Gramps would have been comfortable with, but since you young folk are in such a hurry I'll up the horsepower

2010-02-26 16:33:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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Well, it's not out of the question. I had considered adding elongated rear-facing "toes" to help the legs paddle. The big problem is that the use of paddles (including the flywheel) for motion in water is pretty inefficient. Have you tried a solid, circular wheel rather than one with paddles? Obviously it looks wrong, but it will up your efficiency. edit: Although... You could just fill in the spaces with invisible material, that will up the volume moving through the water and give you greater resistance

2010-02-26 17:03:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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Environments:Check Amazing contraption:Super Check

2010-02-26 20:55:00 Author: Sack Attack Posts: 5

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yep mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm im thinking this might win, i think the contraption itself is well made and is very clean in its paddle cycle, the start looks very much like mine except i have a hilbilly in a rocking chair drinking some beer, the levels called cc10 - robocroc

2010-02-26 21:49:00 Author: geddez12 Posts: 338

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Have you tried a solid, circular wheel rather than one with paddles? Obviously it looks wrong, but it will up your efficiency. edit: Although... You could just fill in the spaces with invisible material, that will up the volume moving through the water and give you greater resistance I hadn't considered that it's not actually the paddles driving the boat forward, but just the fact an object is spinning through the water. Hmm, I'll have to look into this!

2010-02-26 23:07:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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Both air and water resistance seem to be closely related to volume of material - I have a suspicion it's a proportional relationship but there is pretty much no way to test 100%

2010-02-27 00:33:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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yes, this is by far the most original, and best entry that I have seen.

2010-02-27 00:42:00 Author: TehUberZac Posts: 587

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Thanks Ayneh. That's exactly what I meant but I'm not good at putting my thoughts into writing that eloquently. I wish I could have thought to write it like that as no offence was intended. I would have used the 'reply with quote' if I could but since the site change it's never worked for me.

2010-02-27 02:08:00 Author: mistervista Posts: 2210

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Wait, are online create entrees allowed? If not, is this luos's or gide's?

2010-02-27 16:42:00 Author: Incinerator22 Posts: 3251

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Just a heads up I tweaked the speed. The walker now walks and swims faster. Wait, are online create entrees allowed? If not, is this luos's or gide's? Online cocreate has been allowed for previous contraption challenges, and the rules for CC10 did not specify otherwise. However, the entry is being formally submitted as Luos'.

2010-02-27 16:52:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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thanks for the kind comments guys (and gals!)

2010-02-28 20:00:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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very nice. Probably the most original Idea for this competition I've seen so far. I'm thinking of making a car that hovers over the water instead of driving through it!

2010-03-01 00:33:00 Author: singularik Posts: 130

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I want one!! @_@ that thing looks cool ^^ great job

2010-03-01 00:50:00 Author: Delirium Posts: 349

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very nice. Probably the most original Idea for this competition I've seen so far. I'm thinking of making a car that hovers over the water instead of driving through it! has been done, there is a cc10 entry that does this.

2010-03-01 12:55:00 Author: Luos_83 Posts: 2136

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Really amazing contraption and atmosphere! Is your vehicle that light weight or why can it be lifted by 2 single pistons that easily? I tried lifting my solid cardboard/wood/gold ship and they pretty much failed me - do I just need more?

2010-03-01 18:22:00 Author: WischmoppBob Posts: 14

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Really amazing contraption and atmosphere! Is your vehicle that light weight or why can it be lifted by 2 single pistons that easily? I tried lifting my solid cardboard/wood/gold ship and they pretty much failed me - do I just need more? Thanks! Actually the vehicle is not as light as you would think. The trick with keeping pistons and bolts strong is to keep the "masses" of the adjoined pieces high, or in other words, reinforce connectors with heavy materials like metal and stone. To make my point, you could make an entire level out of stone and lift it all with one piston assuming that piston was attached to dark matter (which has theoretically infinite mass). The legs are attached to thin layer stone squares and the legs themselves are made of wood. The bits that make up the hull are styro to keep it floaty, but these slabs of styro are large. The backplate for the wheel is stone, and the backplate for the entire contraption is metal. All this to balance the vehicle properly in the water. Remember, everything but metal and stone floats, including those heavy seeming legs, so I had to use some fairly solid materials to keep it in the water instead of on top of the water. I also needed two winches and a piston to overpower the float of the wheel part (which is made of wood and styro).... one stiff piston was too weak to pull the wheel down. That's really all there is to it. Selective materials and careful design to keep it strong enough to stand on land, and enough weight to keep working in the water. As you can see, the few people that chose to grief the simplicity of the design in the level's comments clearly have no idea how much thought and experience was put in to make this function properly.

2010-03-02 15:03:00 Author: Thegide Posts: 1465

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Wow, thanks alot to shed some light on this for me! This definitely opens up a new way of constructing and engineering for me! I had similar problems with my contraption, in fact it was actually too heavy to be moved at a high enough pace without having the paddle wheel go mad, I tried to hollow my ship's body, which just ended up in no a totally awkward lopsided floating - in the end I turned all my metal stuff into cardboard and put metal texture stickers on them with a fortunate center of weight. I agree, I was really amazed on how complex material physics were in LBP, confronting me with unexpected challenges.

2010-03-02 18:08:00 Author: WischmoppBob Posts: 14

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If I was to say anything about the contraption itself, i'd say that it enters and leaves the water gracefully A lot of the entries just kinda slump in and drag themselves out with their front wheels only

2010-03-02 18:13:00 Author: Asbestos101 Posts: 1114

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Just Brilliant! The best CC10 entrant i've seen so far! I hope you win, if not a better contraption comes along!

2010-03-03 13:06:00 Author: Rhys125 Posts: 841

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Oh yes, it was very nice. Perfectly done! Nice, sexy paddles and smooth legs... you can't beat it. I like how it walks and swims (*gasp!*)

2010-03-03 22:20:00 Author: piggabling Posts: 2979

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