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My Elder Scrolls Theory (or why I believe a new Elder Scrolls game will be announced)

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Before I begin this wall of text, let me preface this with a bit of backstory: I am a huge Oblivion fan. I bought it when it first came out, and I've played it through countless times, spending hundreds upon hundreds of hours exploring every nook, every cranny, every detail that the game had to offer. I've spent more time on Oblivion than I have the past ten games I've bought, and that's putting it lightly. I am usually not into games like Oblivion, but there was something spectacular about it that made me pour more time into it than I have any other game before or since. If you disagree with me about Oblivion's quality or immersion or what have you, that's fine, but you'll probably find this much less interesting to read. Just a word of warning.

My theory is simple: A new Elder Scrolls game will be announced this year, to release this Fall or, if not this Fall, sometime in 2011. I've been thinking about it a lot lately, and it makes sense. I'll list the things I consider evidence supporting my theory, and I will elaborate on each one where necessary:


Bethesda is in limbo. With the Fallout 3 DLC complete and Fallout: New Vegas being developed by a different studio, Bethesda is officially working on nothing. For any studio as large and well-known as Bethesda, limbo is a bad place to be. Its stockholders will be clamoring for some sort of announcement to get people excited, to get the studio's name back out there in the limelight, to raise the price of its stock. It's just bad business to be "officially" doing nothing. (Note: that doesn't mean I believe they're actually doing nothing, but until they make a public announcement, nothing is exactly what they're doing - make sense?)
Microsoft has already announced a ton of its exclusives (http://kotaku.com/5470975/x10-microsoft-shows-its-hand-for-2010), even ones coming this holiday. Why in the world would Microsoft want to let every cat out of the metaphorical bag at the beginning of the year? The fact is, they haven't (http://kotaku.com/5470588/microsoft-this-will-be-the-biggest-year-in-the-history-of-xbox). Quoting Kotaku quoting Microsoft's Aaron Greenberg:
"To be this early in the year and able to have an E3-quality line-up with triple-A blockbuster titles, that really speaks to how big a year this will be for us," said Greenberg, director of Product Management for Xbox 360 and Xbox LIVE. "This is just a glimpse of the quality of products we're going to bring throughout the full year." [...] "Last year we saved a lot of our big news for E3. This year we absolutely have a lot of big news for E3, but we have so much that we are starting early."
So they've announced Halo: Reach, Fable III, Alan Wake, Crackdown II, Dead Space 2, new L4D2 DLC, and Dead Rising 2, all announcements made before March and all games slated for this year. Plus, Activision has already announced (http://kotaku.com/5469025/activision-has-call-of-duty-7-loaded-for-holiday) the next CoD game and has it slated for this holiday. What does that leave us with in terms of non-new IPs? I mean, new IPs are great, but the big sellers are always the IPs that are well-known and can be relied on. If Microsoft has already been touting Halo, and Activision has already brought out Cod 7, then what surprise announcement could they have lined up for E3? I think a new Elder Scrolls game is a very good candidate for that slot, and my guess is so does Microsoft.
Bethesda has mentioned more than once that they're working on the next Elder Scrolls game:
Example #1: Bethesda actually said that they're shooting for a 2010 release date. (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/news/bethesda_elder_scrolls_v_arrive_2010)Now, granted, that was said in late 2008, but anyone with any experience in the industry knows that you don't say anything like that unless you're fairly confident it's going to happen.

Example #2: Perhaps even more compelling than the first example is the fact that Bethesda went way out of their way to ensure that everyone understood that a new Elder Scrolls game was something they wanted to do. When a journalist misinterpreted a comment (http://kotaku.com/5337865/bethesda-have-no-plans-for-more-elder-scrolls)made by a Bethesda employee at QuakeCon in August of last year, Bethesda posted a clarifying statement (http://bethblog.com/index.php/2009/08/17/clarifying-about-next-elder-scrolls-game-mmo-etc/) on their official blog and circulated it around major gaming news sites (http://kotaku.com/5339301/bethesda-clarifies-no-elder-scrolls-v-statement) to ensure as many people as possible understood that, yes, an Elder Scrolls game is in the cards. This seems even more supportive of my theory than the last example because it wasn't an off-hand comment - they went out of their way to get this information out there.

Yes, I know: I'm probably over-hyped. When I get an idea in my head, it helps to put it down in a coherent way, so that I can read over and analyze my thought process more objectively. I decided instead of wasting these thoughts by writing this up in a Word doc on my computer, I'd put it up on LBPC for you guys to help nitpick.

Also, I know there's not much to say in response to this other than "Makes sense!" or "No, you're dead wrong.", so if you can't think of anything to say, feel free to just jabber about Oblivion.

Thanks for reading! 		2010-02-16 02:06:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

Wow that's a lot to read. I think maybe you're reading a bit too much into it
Sometimes when you start looking for a result you end up piecing together any random clues and add a pinch of salt.

It's kind of likely that they will release a new one though. Oblivion was popular so it'd be a safe move to stick with it.
I'm not exactly Bethesda's biggest fan, it'd be interesting to see what they improve on. Oblivion was in dire need of varied environments.		2010-02-16 02:54:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

I feel bad whenever people say this is a lot of text...does no one read novels anymore?!

Anyway, you're theory is that it's gonna be 360-exclusive?

What a waste.		2010-02-16 03:34:00

Author:
Ragfell
Posts: 729

I hope your right. I lived that game for a year and half. Just loved it.2010-02-16 03:38:00

Author:
Morgana25
Posts: 5983

I feel bad whenever people say this is a lot of text...does no one read novels anymore?!

Anyway, you're theory is that it's gonna be 360-exclusive?

What a waste.

No. Did I say that? I just meant, it's traditional for Microsoft to tout these big releases even if they're not exclusive. Sony tends to stick to exclusives for events like E3.		2010-02-16 03:59:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

oblivion rocked if you are right cc that would be awesome

i would definatly get it 		2010-02-16 04:29:00

Author:
rseah
Posts: 2701

Oblivion was awesome, especially if you were a thief. Made the game pretty easy, but it's just so fun to sneak into some place you're not supposed to be and steal stuff.

I personally don't believe we'll see a new Elder Scrolls game will be announced until next-gen consoles are announced. This is partially because of the gap between Morrowind and Oblivion and by the amount of time it would take to make something like Oblivion while getting used to next-gen technology. Perhaps they're waiting to get their hands on next-gen technology to begin working on TES V. However, I don't think them announcing a new Elder Scrolls game is too out of the question. Bethesda never has gone 4 years without making an Elder Scrolls game. On the other hand, if you count Fallout 3 as another one of their big projects, we might have to wait until 2012 to get our hands on the next Elder Scrolls. On the OTHER other hand, Oblivion, I'm pretty sure, was announced in 2004.		2010-02-16 05:11:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

No. Did I say that? I just meant, it's traditional for Microsoft to tout these big releases even if they're not exclusive. Sony tends to stick to exclusives for events like E3.

Sorry, I just was a tad bit confuzzled with your wording.

But it would be a waste for it to be a 360 exclusive...it wastes all the potential profits and technology benefits gained from the ps3...		2010-02-16 05:22:00

Author:
Ragfell
Posts: 729

You make me want to play it.2010-02-16 08:31:00

Author:
BasketSnake
Posts: 2391

OK CC in a non homosexual way a love you for saying this. Like you I am an incredible fan of the Elder Scrolls, and i have spent countless hours on it.

Put it this way I have completed it 4 times twice on 360 and twice on ps3, i also did all the side quests on the 360 and the ps3 on at least one save file.

I dont even own a 360, i completed it at a friends house they haven't even completed it before. I guess what i'm saying here that no matter what role you take thief, warrior, mage etc its really fun.

the last play through i did was my first time ever playing as a mage and i was sad that i hadn't done it before because it is absolutely brilliant.		2010-02-16 09:25:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

Aww man, that seemed like such a good title in terms of me being able to come in and say stfu. Now i can't, **** you CC.

Elder Scrolls is bloody awesome though 		2010-02-16 11:49:00

Author:
Unknown User

I hope your right. I lived that game for a year and half. Just loved it.

Back in the "before time", right?

Anyway, I would love another part in the elder scrolls series. Played 3 & 4 to death, amazing games!!		2010-02-16 11:51:00

Author:
Zwollie
Posts: 2173

I feel bad whenever people say this is a lot of text...does no one read novels anymore?!


Novels hurt my eyes when they're being displayed on a screen 		2010-02-16 12:22:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

I just hope that if there is a new Elder Scrolls being made by Bethesda they get their act together this time. I liked Oblivion, don't get me wrong...

But, their games always feel like there should be something more to them. I also personally feel that Bethesda's games are getting worse and worse over time. Smaller environments, no real improvements. I have a thing against their game engine as well, it's unjustifiably slow for what it does... And, seriously, can Bethesda get their animations worked out? It really distracts from the game world :... Their games are also just extremely glitchy...

Fallout 3 is one of the games that I have been the most disappointed in recently, that and Resistance 2 (I thought Resistance 2 was pretty bad, but I guess pretty much nobody shares my opinion there... Weird).

But, here's hoping there's a new and improved Elder Scrolls in the near future!		2010-02-16 14:06:00

Author:
microchirp
Posts: 412

you haven't been looking in the right places resistance 2 has been give alot of stick.

But i do agree with fallout that was absolutely rubbish.		2010-02-16 14:10:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

I'm absolutely certain they could make a new elder scrolls for 360 and ps3 with major improvements in both graphics and gameplay. That's what I want to see.2010-02-16 19:10:00

Author:
BasketSnake
Posts: 2391

you haven't been looking in the right places resistance 2 has been give alot of stick.

But i do agree with fallout that was absolutely rubbish.

Trust me, I gave Resistance 2 a tonne of chances. I got into the beta and thought it was great... Then the full game came out, and I don't know... The campaign just sucks, it's a chore to play through. Sure, it's prettier than Resistance... But other than that it hasn't much going for it in my opinion. It's just another FPS with a mediocre story :.

But yeah, Oblivion was decent... Fallout 3 I honestly think is rubbish. I was playing Fallout 3 and I just suddenly realized I never really had any fun with it. It's basically Oblivion, with guns, a smaller world, less features, and more bugs. Oblivion was decent but every time I play it I can't help but feel that there is something missing... One thing is that the worlds just feel unpopulated, I guess.

I personally believe that Bethesda is going backwards with their games... And, I really don't see why they get as much praise as they do for their newer games (most specifically Fallout 3). I have no doubt that Bethesda could churn out some great games, but currently it feels to me that they're copy / pasting Oblivion, removing content and making the world smaller, and as an added bonus getting praised for it. Meh.

Now that Zenimax bought idSoftware... I want to see id team up with Bethesda. id designs the engine (yay, John Carmack ^-^)... Bethesda works on populating the worlds, and the story lines (and puts far more effort into it this time). Hmmm... Megatextures could work great with an Oblivion style game, actually. It would be interesting to see, but will probably not happen.		2010-02-16 22:24:00

Author:
microchirp
Posts: 412

ugh i have been waiting and waiting for a new game, please come. I love Oblivion i personally only wanted trophies for Oblivion because one of my only games i would ever go back and platinum, i fell in love with the story, everything if they do announce a new one, ohh man, i'll never touch another game for months!2010-02-17 00:42:00

Author:
Frank-the-Bunny
Posts: 1246

I would love another Oblivion game. I remember reading something a few months ago that said something along the lines of Bethesda taking on some unfinished FPS. I'll do a bit of research and see what I can find.2010-02-17 01:20:00

Author:
Killian
Posts: 2575

I would love another Oblivion game. I remember reading something a few months ago that said something along the lines of Bethesda taking on some unfinished FPS. I'll do a bit of research and see what I can find.

Might that be Brink?

No, wait... They're just publishing that. Hmmm...		2010-02-17 01:48:00

Author:
microchirp
Posts: 412

See, that's the thing, I don't know if they need to announce a new game even if Bethesda as developers aren't doing anything. They're still publishing two pretty hyped games.2010-02-17 02:41:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

Have you guys ever played Morrowind? that game kicked the door down for all the elder scroll games later on.2010-02-17 03:41:00

Author:
RipTlde
Posts: 151

Have you guys ever played Morrowind? that game kicked the door down for all the elder scroll games later on.

This is partially why Bethesda games suck now .		2010-02-17 04:38:00

Author:
microchirp
Posts: 412

Have you guys ever played Morrowind? that game kicked the door down for all the elder scroll games later on.

Agreed. You can also download the first two, Arena, and Daggerfall on freeware now. Both old and dated but still fun.

I've loved all of them down the years, and with both Sony and MS saying theres a few years of this generation left, I agree with CC, we'll see another one in the next year and a half.		2010-02-17 10:15:00

Author:
GruntosUK
Posts: 1754

I played the HEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeell out of Morrowind. I even e-mailed bethesda asking if they'd name one of the NPC's after me since I'm from Norway and they were making a nordic expansion. They replied that it wasn't possible but in the biggest town in the middle of the island in one of the large houses I picked up a book and read it. It told a story of a man that had kind of a similar name to mine. Most definately a coincidence but my name is J?rn and that name was Jornibret. WHO KNOWS?! lol....2010-02-17 17:33:00

Author:
BasketSnake
Posts: 2391

Interesting thread.

I'd love to hear about a new Elder Scrolls game, they were each pretty revolutionary in their own ways. I think the first one was Arena? Where you attack and the weapon actually follows your mouse movements? Heh I thought that was wicked awesome, the game kicked butt too, all of them do.

I'd agree that Oblivion seems a little pale to Morrowind somehow, someway. For one many things in the game are simplified, and there is a strange lack of unique content in the game, relative to Morrowind. It has it's charm, though, and hopefully they can mix the best of both worlds in the next one. I'm sure they won't just cut the series just yet.		2010-02-17 19:00:00

Author:
Foofles
Posts: 2278

Oh would you look at that, they're making an Elder Scrolls MMO

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97607-Court-Documents-Show-Secret-Elder-Scrolls-MMOG-Underway		2010-02-17 21:01:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Oh would you look at that, they're making an Elder Scrolls MMO

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97607-Court-Documents-Show-Secret-Elder-Scrolls-MMOG-Underway

Yeah, I remember hearing about that... I don't really want an MMO, though...		2010-02-17 22:19:00

Author:
microchirp
Posts: 412

Sadly it'll probably spell the end of Elder Scrolls. From what i've seen developers tend to focus all of their attention onto developing an mmo instead of adding to the series.
Well i haven't heard any news on a Warcraft 4 anyway.		2010-02-17 23:25:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Sadly it'll probably spell the end of Elder Scrolls. From what i've seen developers tend to focus all of their attention onto developing an mmo instead of adding to the series.
Well i haven't heard any news on a Warcraft 4 anyway.

Yes, that's true.

And seriously... I want a game engine improvement! Not justification of mediocre animations and performance because it's an MMO. Plus, I really want a better developed story :...		2010-02-17 23:39:00

Author:
microchirp
Posts: 412

Oh would you look at that, they're making an Elder Scrolls MMO

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/97607-Court-Documents-Show-Secret-Elder-Scrolls-MMOG-Underway
I'll re-state what I said to you in the PM you sent me:

If this is true, it could go one of two ways: either it's going to be the sequel that Oblivion deserves, simply enhanced by the MMO aspect; or, in the process of switching over to an MMO mechanic, it's going to lose lots of the qualities that made Oblivion special, and simply become a vehicle for which Bethesda attempts to capitalize on the success of the WoW era. Which one, I can't say. If my theory holds, we well may find out in the coming months.

EDIT: Looking into the source and the credibility of the reporting sites, I'd bet that this is accurate. Compounded with the confidence Microsoft is showing in its lineup this year, I would safely bet that this MMO is being developed for at least the 360 (and probably the PS3 and PC as well). I'm personally hoping that this is being developed specifically for consoles - I would love to see a successful console MMO, and if anyone could pull it off, it'd be Bethesda.		2010-02-18 00:21:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

To be honest, an MMO Elder Scrolls game would ruin it for me.2010-02-18 01:46:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

I'll re-state what I said to you in the PM you sent me:

If this is true, it could go one of two ways: either it's going to be the sequel that Oblivion deserves, simply enhanced by the MMO aspect; or, in the process of switching over to an MMO mechanic, it's going to lose lots of the qualities that made Oblivion special, and simply become a vehicle for which Bethesda attempts to capitalize on the success of the WoW era. Which one, I can't say. If my theory holds, we well may find out in the coming months.

EDIT: Looking into the source and the credibility of the reporting sites, I'd bet that this is accurate. Compounded with the confidence Microsoft is showing in its lineup this year, I would safely bet that this MMO is being developed for at least the 360 (and probably the PS3 and PC as well). I'm personally hoping that this is being developed specifically for consoles - I would love to see a successful console MMO, and if anyone could pull it off, it'd be Bethesda.

You know, I really don't think Bethesda could... There has been so much blind faith with their games recently, I just don't get it. From the end product, none of their programmers seem very competent to me. If they can't properly optimize an offline game I have serious doubts about performance on an MMO... If they switch to a different engine, maybe... I just don't see what Bethesda offers in this generation of gaming really... But, I would definitely try another Bethesda game. I would welcome it with open arms in the future. Fallout 3 just solidifies my doubts.

But, who knows... Oblivion with a lot of players in it would make the world feel far less barren. It could be very cool if they keep a similar system for controls. I guess we'll just have to wait .

I hope they could pull off something like this, I really do. I'm interested to see the results, but I'm not going to get too hyped about it.		2010-02-18 03:45:00

Author:
microchirp
Posts: 412

I really REALLY don't want an MMO from Bethesda. There's a million cut and paste MMO's to look to if you want an mmo experience, and not saying that bethesda would do a bad job of an MMO, but I doubt they could create one unique enough or revolutionary enough that there is no other game I could look to to play in it's place, no matter how much they change the formula. The thing with The Elder Scrolls series is that there IS on other game to replace it. It's a completely unique experience and I really can't think of any other game series quite like it, and that's what makes it so great!2010-02-18 08:12:00

Author:
Duffluc
Posts: 402

MMO? ....darn it, why does every game need to be an online experience.
I loved Morrowind and Oblivion for the amazing single player adventure, I don't want to join a clan or depend on others in an elder scrolls game.
It better not have elves dancing and crap!!

Serious bummer!!		2010-02-18 08:37:00

Author:
Zwollie
Posts: 2173

I don't think they could pull it off either.
MMO's need to have exploration and variety or else you'll just be playing the same chunk of gameplay 1000 times.

There is a way they could pull it off - I won't go into ALL the details with it though.
They could make the quests pretty much like the standard game. Keep grinding quests to an absolute minimum, using things like the guilds and branching storylines. As far as enemies and areas go i think they'd have to go with the standard stronger enemies in different areas thing.
I think this'd be the best if the level 1 area was almost the size of cyrodil to keep the same sense of freedom.
Quests for all levels could be completed here. Higher level areas could be smaller areas that branch off, perhaps the size of the shivering isles or a little smaller.

I think there should be a massive emphasis on dungeons and item collecting too. This is pretty much the only place i'd expect the multiplayer features to come into play.
Every dungeon is instanced, meaning if you enter one you're given your private copy of it, noone else can enter your copy of the dungeon unless they're in your party. (People who play WoW will know what i mean).
Dungeons will range from the smaller one's that are already in Oblivion which would play a part in small quests or exploration, and then the larger ones that take on unique names and themes and are recommended for multiplayer.
In these dungeons there'd be a good chance of getting rare items, i think having a lot of rare items and some sort of mass trading system would do a great job of creating a thriving economy. Again i think they'd have to steal another pointer from WoW and have an auction house type system (like ebay), it works suprisingly well and avoids the situation of having crowds of people shouting "BUY THIS STUFF".

There are other things that i can think of but this is the basics of it.
We can only hope that they're aiming for something like this, although it's unlikely (if they even are making an mmo).		2010-02-18 11:01:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

The only way I could see it succeeding is if they decide to ditch convention in many areas in order to retain the best parts about the Elder Scrolls series. For example, I would want to see a fairly strong single-player experience that doesn't require the help of a friend to complete, including side missions and lots of the special surprise things that made Oblivion so intriguing. Most MMOs are filled with mostly missions that can/should be done with friends, and I would want to see more of a balance between the two mission types in an Elder Scrolls game. Don't get me wrong: I have friends that absolutely adored Oblivion just as much as I did, and I would have a hell of a time playing online with them (given Bethesda succeeds) - I just want to be able to explore the world on my own as well, and still enjoy myself just as much.

For those of you saying that Bethesda can't pull it off, did you read the linked article? Bethesda has a branch studio called Zenimax Online Studios (http://www.zenimaxonline.com/) created specifically for this unannounced MMO, so I could see it succeeding. Bethesda has sunk "tens and tens of millions of dollars" into this game - I don't think they'd invest so heavily if they weren't sure it'd be successful. I mean, I could be wrong - It's very possible that they could lose what made the previous ES games great in the process of switching to MMO, but I prefer to remain optimistic until I see something tangible that proves otherwise.		2010-02-18 14:31:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

A Demon's Soul-like online mode would be great.2010-02-18 14:37:00

Author:
Syroc
Posts: 3193

In all fairness if elder scrolls tried to be online too soon it would never have a chance. but in this day and age people are wanting the mass multiplayer experience, but something with a bit more control, unlike world of Warcraft.

If monster hunter frontier has told us anything its that establishing an existing IP in the MMO way it will work phenomenally		2010-02-18 14:47:00

Author:
robotiod
Posts: 2662

Also another thing that scares me: Monthly fees.2010-02-18 20:10:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

I just want to be able to explore the world on my own as well, and still enjoy myself just as much.


Yeah that's what i was getting at
I wouldn't want them to detract anything from the game by having other players forced infront of you.
The way i worked it out, the "MMO" features would primarily just create the feel that there's an active community and economy that you're being immersed into.
You'd still be able to enter dungeons of any form and private houses without being bothered, so the caves and mines littered around would maintain their quiet and unexplored atmosphere and you could still have a good sneak around the npc's houses.

Maybe it could even have a private mode where you can only see/meet other people in cities, kind of like in Guild Wars.

Oh another thing i've always thought Oblivion needed is player housing. I just hated that there was nowhere i could sit down quietly after a quest and empty my inventory, there wasn't even a bank you just had to sell what you had. I'm a bit of an item hoarder in games, i like to stock up and sell all my rubbish in one go.

edit:
Wait wait wait... does Oblivion have player houses? I always thought it was a pc mod.		2010-02-18 22:00:00

Author:
Dexiro
Posts: 2100

Yes. As a matter of fact, it has one house for each city.2010-02-18 23:42:00

Author:
qrtda235566
Posts: 3664

I know I'm bumping this up, but it's not that old and I have some new information that you guys might find interesting, so I want to update my theory. I am definitely sure that the next Elder Scrolls game will be an MMO-style game. I'm also fairly certain that the game will not release until 2011, but I don't want to say for certain out of sheer fanboy hope that it releases sooner. Anyway, here's the new info I've run across:

The domain names "elderscrollsonline.com" and "elderscrollsmmo.com" were registered in 2007, the same year Zenimax Online Studios (Bethesda's MMO-dedicated developer) was established. The pages contains nothing except a version number (1.1.7), and a WhoIs on both of the domains (1 (http://www.whois.net/whois/elderscrollsonline.com), 2 (http://www.whois.net/whois/elderscrollsmmo.com)) shows that the actual registrant is being protected by a third-party brand protection agency named CSC Protect Brands (http://www.cscprotectsbrands.com). They seem to be a corporate-dedicated entity (hence "Corporation" in the name "Corporation Service Company"), which means only big-name corporations like Bethesda would ever use them to hide the true owner of a domain name.

Also, note this interesting tidbit: a WhoIs on the official elderscrolls.com domain (http://www.whois.net/whois/elderscrollsonline.com) shows that CSC Global is employed by Bethesda for domain registration, meaning it is extremely unlikely that these two cases are unrelated. In all likelihood, this is exactly what it looks like: a domain for a as-of-yet unannounced game, protected by Bethesda through the same company they use to register and protect their other domains.		2010-02-27 05:09:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

I have a friend that says Oblivion is a great game and much more refined than the cookie cutter MMO's, in terms of gameplay not online experience of course XD not out yet, other than that i have no idea what it is but all this talk (read a few of the latest pages on this thread) has me excited, enlighten me 2010-02-27 05:18:00

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Littlebigdude805
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