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Alright, as many people here are wondering about gamesharing, let me make it clear:

You may mention gamesharing in your posts. However, treat gamesharing like you would piracy: talking about it is ok, but planning or organizing it in any way is not.

My reasoning for this is simple: within the Playstation Network Terms of Use (http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13) lies these fragments, which forbid gamesharing in a roundabout kind of way:





You may not provide anyone with your name or any other personally identifying information, or the name, password or personally identifying information of any other person or business through any means, including messaging, chat or any other form of PSN communication.
You may not sell, buy, trade, or otherwise transfer your Online ID or any personal access to PSN through any means or method, including by use of web auction sites.

In order to gameshare, you must transfer your personal access to PSN to another person, which is forbidden according to the above. There is also a clause that seems to refer to gamesharing itself, which is another reason we have this rule. As we're a fansite to a PS3 exclusive, we need to make sure we abide by the rules they set.		2008-09-29 04:49:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

Alright, as many people here are wondering about gamesharing, let me make it clear:

Gamesharing has been acknowledged by Sony, and they have made no public moves against it, so I see no reason to completely abolish it. Due to that, you may mention gamesharing in your posts. However, treat gamesharing like you would piracy: talking about it is ok, but planning or organizing it in any way is not.

My reasoning for this is simple: within the Playstation Network Terms of Use (http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13) lies these fragments, which forbid gamesharing in a roundabout kind of way:


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They do not explicitly mention gamesharing, but in order to gameshare, you must transfer your personal access to PSN to another person, which is forbidden according to the above.

Thanks for reading, guys. Sorry for interrupting your regular flow. I'll remove the force-read on this thread in about a week, so new members don't always have to read it.


Don't see why you have to say sorry, this definately needs to be known by everyone. Good job keeping this site under control. 		2008-09-29 04:51:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

Git, got me twice there, clicked on it then as I left the thread, it shoved me back here. 2008-09-29 04:51:00

Author:
Slevin
Posts: 22

Kthxbai. Thanks for the heads up Cartman :3.2008-09-29 04:52:00

Author:
Unknown User

Alright, as many people here are wondering about gamesharing, let me make it clear:

Gamesharing has been acknowledged by Sony, and they have made no public moves against it, so I see no reason to completely abolish it. Due to that, you may mention gamesharing in your posts. However, treat gamesharing like you would piracy: talking about it is ok, but planning or organizing it in any way is not.

My reasoning for this is simple: within the Playstation Network Terms of Use (http://www.us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/13) lies these fragments, which forbid gamesharing in a roundabout kind of way:

They do not explicitly mention gamesharing, but in order to gameshare, you must transfer your personal access to PSN to another person, which is forbidden according to the above. As we're a fansite to a PS3 exclusive, we need to make sure we abide by the rules they set.

Thanks for reading, guys. Sorry for interrupting your regular flow. I'll remove the force-read on this thread in about a week, so new members don't always have to read it.


source please? Not that I'm doubting you, but I've always wondered where did this come from...		2008-09-29 05:01:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

source please? Not that I'm doubting you, but I've always wondered where did this come from...
Actually, I know I remember reading something(I think it may have been on their official blog) where they mentioned it, but I can't seem to find it. I definitely looked, though.		2008-09-29 05:07:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

well if anyone can find it, I'll keep my promise to Jon and advocate our new stand on gamesharing.

until then (with all due respect)

ARE YOU NUTS!!! Switching the forum stance, after being acknowledged by Media Molecule!!!

edit: since it sounded like I'm against our "no game sharing" stance, I'm talking about allowing gamesharing talks.... can't we just completely abolish it....		2008-09-29 05:19:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

Understood, and agreed. Because really, it is a form of piracy. Which, unfortunately, has become far too accepted among our society.

Just wondering, however: What exactly is meant by "acknowledged"? Simply a "Yeah, we know it's going on"?		2008-09-29 05:36:00

Author:
Mark D. Stroyer
Posts: 632

well if anyone can find it, I'll keep my promise to Jon and advocate our new stand on gamesharing.

until then (with all due respect)

ARE YOU NUTS!!! Switching the forum stance, after being acknowledged by Media Molecule!!!
Media Molecule only has control over LBP. It's Sony that would get angered by this, but seeing as they only gave us merely 5 beta codes, I doubt that they even care about this site. I mean, Sam is the only one who even bothers to post, and he does so rarely.		2008-09-29 05:47:00

Author:
Code1337
Posts: 3476

well if MM will be selling stuff through PSN, gamesharing will harm them aswell...

and I see no harm in going to the "no gamesharing" side and going against it. We can make a stand and draw the line instead of staying neutral about it...		2008-09-29 05:51:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

well if MM will be selling stuff through PSN, gamesharing will harm them aswell...

and I see no harm in going to the "no gamesharing" side and going against it. We can make a stand and draw the line instead of staying neutral about it...
I don't think we should completely abolish it, because that turns into more work for staff. What do we do with posts that mention gamesharing? Should we discipline someone because they said "gameshare"? It's a blurred line, and we may not all agree on when someone crosses it. It's just easier to set restrictions that are distinct.		2008-09-29 06:04:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

I can't think of a topic about gamesharing that doesn't involve setting up the trade in some way anyway.

So I'll stand down,


if I may ask, how is abolishing game sharing completely more work for the staff? Woudn't it be easier to delete something that says gamesharing is a lot easier than thinking if the topic about gamesharing go by the rules and monitor it daily...		2008-09-29 06:21:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

Actually, I know I remember reading something(I think it may have been on their official blog) where they mentioned it, but I can't seem to find it. I definitely looked, though.
I mentioned it! Yay me!
XD		2008-09-29 07:13:00

Author:
TheArmedReaper
Posts: 1543

Nice info, worth the force-read 2008-09-29 09:19:00

Author:
KAPBAM
Posts: 1348

Thanks for clearing that up. 2008-09-29 10:07:00

Author:
Killian
Posts: 2575

I recomed that people keep sharing amongst friends they know they can trust, I've heard of quite a few people losing their PSN to complete strangers on the internet.2008-09-29 10:16:00

Author:
Rabid-Coot
Posts: 6728

would never want that happen so yea friends and family only =)2008-09-29 10:29:00

Author:
Thee-Flash
Posts: 3154

Understood. It's not necessarily something I'd risk anyway.2008-09-29 10:36:00

Author:
MooCowsRevenge
Posts: 1

Yeah it is a bit too dodgy sharing passwords and everything , and since all mine are linked to all the same doesnt help lol. But defintley agree with cartman. Atleast no one can say they don't know the rules 2008-09-29 11:22:00

Author:
Kyashu
Posts: 447

I think that buying a game once then giving it to complete strangers is a bit shady
I guess to do it with friends and family is alright, but I am always paranoid.		2008-09-29 15:15:00

Author:
RadarFlea
Posts: 85

Good work keeping the site under control, you're like shampoo but for the forum instead of hair!!!2008-09-29 16:43:00

Author:
mongoose7
Posts: 473

Good info, and a needed forced-read.2008-09-29 17:46:00

Author:
Enter Sackman
Posts: 31

I shared with guitar once.. and he's banned now. Thank god he didnt hack me or anything.

I feel to guilty to do it again though, I think.		2008-09-29 17:58:00

Author:
Maltay
Posts: 2073

Sounds good, thanks for making this site what it is2008-09-29 22:27:00

Author:
Killa_5150
Posts: 227

Thanks for the info.2008-09-29 23:20:00

Author:
Unknown User

Thanks for clearing that up.

can you gameshare the beta... if you were to guess...		2008-09-30 05:10:00

Author:
12454522412412
Posts: 779

can you gameshare the beta... if you were to guess...
No. In fact, it will lock your beta code so nobody can use it, including you. Don't try it.		2008-09-30 05:31:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729

I shared with guitar once.. and he's banned now. Thank god he didnt hack me or anything.

I feel to guilty to do it again though, I think.

..... only do with people you trust *GOSH*

unless if you did trust him well there you go...		2008-09-30 05:34:00

Author:
Thee-Flash
Posts: 3154

im not ganna name names but i have gotten like 100 bucks in games from several people on this site... i dont personally know them but they have hearts ( this big )

i havent hacked an account and dont plan on it.....

(all that is hypothetical, of course)
gameshareing is bad		2008-09-30 06:07:00

Author:
12454522412412
Posts: 779

Good work keeping the site under control, you're like shampoo but for the forum instead of hair!!!

Lol what the hell dude...		2008-09-30 06:42:00

Author:
Whalio Cappuccino
Posts: 5250

thx for letting me kno2008-09-30 13:30:00

Author:
lil_stikz
Posts: 8

oke im new 2008-10-03 07:14:00

Author:
Unknown User

Thanks! :kz:2008-10-04 16:09:00

Author:
Sackboyz_In_The_Hood
Posts: 25

Cheers for the heads up! 2008-10-05 12:47:00

Author:
Bearskopff
Posts: 14

Thank you.2008-10-05 19:27:00

Author:
McKade
Posts: 2

Bringing this matter up again.

Sony has updated the PSN contract as of October 15

Section 7

...You may not bypass, disable, or circumvent any encryption, security, digital rights management or authentication mechanism in connection with PSN or any of the content offered through PSN. You acknowledge that the PSN, including some content provided through PSN, may contain security or technical features that will prevent use of such content in violation of this Agreement. Notwithstanding any terms, the Property is not licensed for resale, public performance, display, distribution or broadcast. You acknowledge that some content providers and licensors are intended third party beneficiaries who have rights to enforce this Agreement against you and your permitted users....

Then theirs a bunch of stuff about they can delete your account and you won't get any refunds... basically Sony is finally cracking down on Gamesharing. There is a God!! (also theirs another section that says Sony reserves the right to automatically download stuff into the PS3 to better the network and what not.... Home isn't optional???)


now can we stop being neutral about it?		2008-10-18 00:34:00

Author:
Reshin
Posts: 1081

Bringing this matter up again.

Sony has updated the PSN contract as of October 15

Section 7


Then theirs a bunch of stuff about they can delete your account and you won't get any refunds... basically Sony is finally cracking down on Gamesharing. There is a God!! (also theirs another section that says Sony reserves the right to automatically download stuff into the PS3 to better the network and what not.... Home isn't optional???)


now can we stop being neutral about it?

so game sharing = NO GO ??		2008-10-18 00:39:00

Author:
Thee-Flash
Posts: 3154

Read and understood. Seeing I was hacked in another game by a good friend once, I am not gonna do it ever again, I'm too paranoid for that now. 2009-02-19 19:49:00

Author:
Sad_Eva
Posts: 12

Err... what is gamesharing exactly? I never heard the term before.2009-02-19 20:28:00

Author:
Wonko the Sane
Posts: 109

Err... what is gamesharing exactly? I never heard the term before.

Hmmm, this is a bit of an OOOOLD thread but...

Gamesharing is giving your PSN information (name + pass) to another person so that they can download things from your PSN purchases onto their PS3.

For several obvious reasons, I don't suggest you try this yourself.		2009-02-19 20:42:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

I'm not about to, just curious to what its about.2009-02-19 20:48:00

Author:
Wonko the Sane
Posts: 109

Hmmm, this is a bit of an OOOOLD thread but...

Gamesharing is giving your PSN information (name + pass) to another person so that they can download things from your PSN purchases onto their PS3.

For several obvious reasons, I don't suggest you try this yourself.

This isn't really important but you wouldn't have to give your password if it was someone you knew and lived near you could go to there house and download the games onto there PS3, just thought i'd point that out.		2009-02-27 17:19:00

Author:
Don Vhalt
Posts: 2270

This isn't really important but you wouldn't have to give your password if it was someone you knew and lived near you could go to there house and download the games onto there PS3, just thought i'd point that out.

But then you wouldn't need to organize gamesharing on this forum. The rule is really meant to counter the case I've mentioned AFAIK.		2009-02-27 18:13:00

Author:
Gilgamesh
Posts: 2536

But..
what if you and your bro buy a game together,
and he moves out.
you are both owners of the game,
so both have the right to use it/play it.

so, "gamesharing" should fall in the same catagory.

and afaik, it isnt illegal to make an extra copy for yourself,
at least not over here.

If you download a game on xbox live, or psn for that mather, all accounts on your console have access to these games,
me and my bro now have 2 x-box360 consoles, and he still has the arcade games I purchased on my account.		2009-03-28 12:05:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

But then you wouldn't need to organize gamesharing on this forum. The rule is really meant to counter the case I've mentioned AFAIK.

Yeah I was just talking generally.		2009-04-08 10:00:00

Author:
Don Vhalt
Posts: 2270

If I buy a game,
may it be an expension pack, may it be a full game,
may it be an arcade game.
When I buy it, I purchased it, its mine.

It is then my choice if I want to give away the game, sell the game and even copy the game for personal use.

Often me and a friend buy the same game together,
and give one of us a copy of our both owned game.
(there is as far as I know, no law that says "No!!" to this)
The moment we buy something,
In my humble opinion its ours, and the previous owners (game-companies for this mather) cannot tell me what I can and cannot do with my personal belongings,
within certain set of rules obviously.
So If my friend uses his creditcard to buy the MGS lbp expansion pack,
and I pay him half, I also have the right to play the expansion.

I need a lawyer for some good old fashioned discussion about this lol.		2009-04-08 11:30:00

Author:
Luos_83
Posts: 2136

Luos,

You buy a single license to the software, whether or not you, your friend or 100 friends put money in to purchase that software you buy a single license for use on a single PS3.

Read the terms and conditions of use from the PS3 site or in any manual of any software for the PS3 and it explicitly says what you own is a single use license to use the software you have purchased and it explicitly says that game sharing is not allowed and therefore why discussing organising it is not allowed on this site. It matters not how many people buy that single license it is still a single license for use on a single machine.

Cheers QuozL		2009-04-08 14:18:00

Author:
QuozL
Posts: 921

Luos,

You buy a single license to the software, whether or not you, your friend or 100 friends put money in to purchase that software you buy a single license for use on a single PS3.

Read the terms and conditions of use from the PS3 site or in any manual of any software for the PS3 and it explicitly says what you own is a single use license to use the software you have purchased and it explicitly says that game sharing is not allowed and therefore why discussing organising it is not allowed on this site. It matters not how many people buy that single license it is still a single license for use on a single machine.

Cheers QuozL

Not necessarily. It says when you buy almost anything of PSN (LBP costumes, etc. included) that the software is:

"Licensed for use on up to 5 authorised consoles"

Meaning that if you want 4 other people to have the content... you can.
After all, why would there be an option to authorise accounts on your PS3 if it were not allowed for you to use it?

In fact, my brother brought Map Pack 1 (for CoD) and I also got it from his account. Is it illegal? Nope 		2009-04-09 00:32:00

Author:
alexbull_uk
Posts: 1287

What if it's to get something free that was only available during a certain time period?2009-04-09 02:00:00

Author:
Sackdragon
Posts: 427

What if it's to get something free that was only available during a certain time period?
Nope, that's still considered Gamesharing. Don't use the site to organize it and you're fine.

I don't think this topic needs any more discussion. We're set on our policy regarding this matter.		2009-04-09 02:44:00

Author:
ConfusedCartman
Posts: 3729


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