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2010-02-04 02:49:00

Author:
qrtda235566

Posts: 3664

I feel emotion can be very different depending on your perspective. I, for example, am trying to write an actual symphonic suite inspired by the Night Angel Trilogy book series...and I feel it imperative to convey certain characters through the music. Elene's theme, for example, is the one I started with today - I tried to make it sound as sweet and innocent as possible. Kylar (the main character) will be much more difficult to write for because he has such inner conflict, and his opening story, the one I don't think he makes peace with for quite awhile, is very dark.

So, I agree with you, that all music is an expression of emotion, or an expression of an expression of emotion. (Got that?)

I almost have emotion for that book series since it's so good, and I feel the character's personalities and most common emotions should be displayed through the music. Now, does this mean that I am always kind and innocent, or dark and conflicted? No, but I tend to feel a lot of similarities, and that helps me write it a bit better.

sorry if that sounds like gibberish. lol.

2010-02-04 03:26:00

Author:
Ragfell

Posts: 729

First off, I hate how when you watch a guitar performance by someone on youtube and it seems to show a lot of emotion then someone in the comments says "it had no emotion" or "they're a robot" etc, just because they didn't move around much. I have seen this many times and to me it just doesn't make sense.

most people think that having emotions means your a guitarist who does bends a lot.

In my oppinion music has emotion if the way the notes are put together can make a good effect and help to show the message the artist is trying to put forward. I think the reason people think bends mean a song has emotion is because it can promote the message further depending how the guitarist does the bends to manipulate the notes. If it makes a good effect to the listener then it can make the artists message clearer to understand.

Shallow pop music has a very small amount of strong emotion imo. It's mostly, everything is happy and there aren't any worries in the world, listen to this 3 minute song so I can make money from 3-4 repeated chords and an electric drum loop. I'm not saying 4 repeated chords is bad because sometimes that could be all the song needs. (Btw, how many pop songs are released now just about partying?)

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Also, one thing that annoys me is when someone says metal has "no emotion and it's all just screaming and it's loud etc" and the same person also says its "emo". 1. Metal isn't all screming- 2. There's a volume control for a reason- 3. Anger is an emotion
No one seems to think about the meaning of "emo" when they use it as an insult either, that word is far overused.

One reason people may think of "loud, angry music" as "emotionless" Is because it is never seen in pop music and the message that I have noticed mostly in pop music... "everything is happy and there aren't any worries in the world"... is pretty much the opposite viewpoint. If you've listned to pop for your whole life then anger in music might not make as much sense to be in a song.

2010-02-06 00:18:00

Author:
S-A-S--G-U-N-R

Posts: 1606

Quiet you emo.

2010-02-06 17:18:00

Author:
Unknown User

This is something that I've thought about before but haven't felt like talking about until now. What's up with all these people saying that some musicians can't convey emotions while others can? To some people, the only emotion that makes gives music "emotion" is sadness, or happiness when conveyed in a gentle way. To me, these people don't know why people write music.

I believe you're the one confused here, my otterchromatic friend.

Music can make you feel a whole bunch of emotions, when written right. Music is more delicate than most people imagine. Addition of instruments changes the entire mood of a piece. Of course, some songs will emit different emotions, based on who is listening, but they are different emotions, nonetheless. I really wish it were more complicated than that, so that it wouldn't appear like I wasn't supporting my arguments, but really, it's not that complicated.

Let's take, for example, Queen's "Don't Stop Me Now"
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iUBwjyhRweQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iUBwjyhRweQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Why does this song make people feel excited and happy? Well, first you have the generally fast tempo and rhythmic instrumentation, along with excited vocals. It's good music, and it's fast and rhythmic, so you have that activating the human brain's "pleasure center" as well as it's "Fight or Flight/Excitement" adrenaline center. The fast piano chords are usually associated with fast, fun pieces, and May's guitar sound as well as Taylor's drum beat, along with other guitar and drum riffs/beats, are usually associated with excitement, as they usually activate the brain's adrenaline center. Then you have Freddie's vocals, which along with the lyrics evoke a feeling of happyness.

Now let's take Hell March 2.
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9WqwFhX6Cqg&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9WqwFhX6Cqg&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
First of all, let's take in the context. This musical piece is the main theme as well as opener for a game set against the background of a relentless Soviet invasion of the U.S.. In the beginning we have a winding-down sound, followed up by the sounds of marching and intermittent yet soft cymbal crashes. This is for feeling of preparation or foreboding. The marching follows into an aggressive guitar riff, signaling the beginning of the invasion. Then, superimposed sound clip of a German commander shouting out a command, and the piece explodes into a neo-classical/heavy metal piece, perfectly fitting the anger, relentlessness, and mercilessness shown by the invading forces. Violins provide an atmosphere of danger, evoking a feeling akin to that of a country under attack's. Heavy guitar riffs and a deep drum beat provide a sense of forwardness and brutality, as well as anger, reflecting the feelings of the invaders. Then, you have a final dramatic crescendo as the country defends itself in a last stand against the invaders, ending suddenly as one of them wins with the frightening blast of their super-weapons.

Huh. Turns out it was complicated.

2010-02-06 17:42:00

Author:
Astrosimi

Posts: 2046

I believe you're the one confused here, my otterchromatic friend.

Music can make you feel a whole bunch of emotions, when written right. Music is more delicate than most people imagine. Addition of instruments changes the entire mood of a piece. Of course, some songs will emit different emotions, based on who is listening, but they are different emotions, nonetheless. I really wish it were more complicated than that, so that it wouldn't appear like I wasn't supporting my arguments, but really, it's not that complicated.

Let's take, for example, Queen's "Don't Stop Me Now"
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iUBwjyhRweQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iUBwjyhRweQ&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
Why does this song make people feel excited and happy? Well, first you have the generally fast tempo and rhythmic instrumentation, along with excited vocals. It's good music, and it's fast and rhythmic, so you have that activating the human brain's "pleasure center" as well as it's "Fight or Flight/Excitement" adrenaline center. The fast piano chords are usually associated with fast, fun pieces, and May's guitar sound as well as Taylor's drum beat, along with other guitar and drum riffs/beats, are usually associated with excitement, as they usually activate the brain's adrenaline center. Then you have Freddie's vocals, which along with the lyrics evoke a feeling of happyness.

Now let's take Hell March 2.
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/9WqwFhX6Cqg&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9WqwFhX6Cqg&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
First of all, let's take in the context. This musical piece is the main theme as well as opener for a game set against the background of a relentless Soviet invasion of the U.S.. In the beginning we have a winding-down sound, followed up by the sounds of marching and intermittent yet soft cymbal crashes. This is for feeling of preparation or foreboding. The marching follows into an aggressive guitar riff, signaling the beginning of the invasion. Then, superimposed sound clip of a German commander shouting out a command, and the piece explodes into a neo-classical/heavy metal piece, perfectly fitting the anger, relentlessness, and mercilessness shown by the invading forces. Violins provide an atmosphere of danger, evoking a feeling akin to that of a country under attack's. Heavy guitar riffs and a deep drum beat provide a sense of forwardness and brutality, as well as anger, reflecting the feelings of the invaders. Then, you have a final dramatic crescendo as the country defends itself in a last stand against the invaders, ending suddenly as one of them wins with the frightening blast of their super-weapons.

Huh. Turns out it was complicated.

Do you not understand what I was getting at? I was saying that all music has emotion, you said I'm confused, and that all music can convey emotion.

2010-02-06 21:09:00

Author:
qrtda235566

Posts: 3664

Do you not understand what I was getting at? I was saying that all music has emotion, you said I'm confused, and that all music can convey emotion.

In retrospect, you are correct. Your post was bit hard to understand, but the miscomunication is my bad, and I subsequently apologize.

However, there is no doubt that:
1. Some songs can convey more emotion than others.
2. It can easily be told whether a song was written badly, as that song fails at conveying ANY type of emotion.

2010-02-08 09:35:00

Author:
Astrosimi

Posts: 2046

Astrosimi's got it! lol.

except he's not the walrus...not until he has the mustache. XD

2010-02-10 22:10:00

Author:
Ragfell

Posts: 729

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