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As mentioned in the Assassins Creed II thread, I thought I might start a seperate thread so that people can discuss the plot and implications for the Assassins Creed series as a whole. It is expected that you have finished one or both games, and/or that you don't mind having plot points revealed if you have not done so. The overarching plot for the series is quite complex with many twists though, and it really does spoil things if you have not completed the games and are aware of what happens. Some of the twists are not really easy to expect, and really do change the way you see the series as a whole. So I'll make things clear one more time. This is meant to be an open discussion so that people do not need to be using spoiler tags to discuss the ins and outs of the series. If you have not finished the games and do not want things spoiled, then please stop reading now. You have been warned. And so with that, feel free to input on what you thought of the plot, where you think it might be heading, what parts you liked or did not like, and so on and so on. Comment away! :hero:

2010-01-02 00:47:00 Author: Elbee23 Posts: 1280

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I finished 2, and my head basically exploded. That's how confused I was. Probably as a result of not finishing one. So I read some guides online, and I think I'm pretty up to date. But I think 3 is going to be a very crammed game if they decide to do another trip in the animus. My guess is it will be more focused on Desmond this time.

2010-01-02 01:08:00 Author: thekevinexpress Posts: 256

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At the end when you have to kill the guy (Forgotten his name if someone could remind me that would be useful) with no weapons and just your fists i thought that was really easy i was expecting a little more from pretty much the last fight (Apart from the one when you're Desmond).

2010-01-02 16:17:00 Author: Doopz Posts: 5592

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While it is a good story, the way people are talking about it makes it seem like people didn't see it coming ... which, honestly, I have a bit of trouble accepting it given how long in advance they indicated where they were going. Everything from the very high-tech "Apple" "Piece of Eden" to the naked man and woman escaping from a high-tech garden in "The Truth". Not to mention the codex (#5?) that talks about "The First Ones" and how we're fighting over their "discarded toys". They were practically broadcasting that they were going to do something along the lines of "Judeo-Christian Mythology Inspired By Actual Events Involving Extraterrestrials" : IE, "'God'/Yahwey/Jehova is a Space Alien" ever since you began getting the first pieces of The Truth. .... Wait, is that why people are acting so surprised. Did other people not complete all of the "The Truth" puzzles? Or read the codex entries? Or ... you know, do more than just run through the game blindly towards the end.

2010-01-02 22:46:00 Author: Jagrevi Posts: 1154

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I did not bother with the puzzles, boring as hell. Also I did not read the codex pages, you got the story without them, I'm not one of those people who want to know every tiny detail about the story. I did not run blinding through the game either... People, I think where surprised about how good the story was, not by the ending, however, not everyone does everything in the game, so the ending would have been a surprise to a significant proportion of gamers.

2010-01-03 09:07:00 Author: Boomy Posts: 3701

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I'm with jagrevi on this one. I didn't read all of the codex pages, but I did the truth puzzles, which personally I found quite fun, although I was expecting there to be more to them than that. I knew what they were getting at after unlocking around a third of the video clips. I was hoping the final video would have actually had something more than the sum of it's parts but never mind. I think Jagrevi's point about running blindly is more that many people just let the primary narrative lead you by the hand, without any real consideration for the bigger picture - the clues were right in front of you and pretty much spelled out the ending well in advance, so not seeing what is right there to be seen is running through blindly. Anyway, more to the point: I hate desmond and all of his friends. They are possibly the least compelling characters ever. I want as little plot revolving around them as possible. Sadly I think the third installment will be largely about him and I can't see how that won't suck. I mean alair wasn't exactly that interesting a person, but he beat desmond hands down, and Ezio is just the man - I love him and that just makes desmond seem even less interesting now.

2010-01-03 14:34:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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I found the the truth puzzles boring as well... and even if you didn't follow the story (I did though) it wouldn't make the game any harder it's pretty easy when you think about it, it tells you where to go and you just kill someone! but it's still really fun!

2010-01-03 14:37:00 Author: Doopz Posts: 5592

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Anyway, more to the point: I hate desmond and all of his friends. They are possibly the least compelling characters ever. I want as little plot revolving around them as possible. Sadly I think the third installment will be largely about him and I can't see how that won't suck. I mean alair wasn't exactly that interesting a person, but he beat desmond hands down, and Ezio is just the man - I love him and that just makes desmond seem even less interesting now. Oh my God, thank you. I could not stand a single one of them. Same with Elena in Uncharted 2. Her nasally voice really annoyed me.

2010-01-03 15:21:00 Author: thekevinexpress Posts: 256

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I actually liked the truth puzzles, I thought they were clever and the images in them were really creepy. Not just the final video, I mean the puzzles themselves. I still don't entirely understand where Minerva etc. come from or what was in the "truth" video... or how the video even exists? What is it, a people factory? A piece of Eden factory? What are they, what are they running away from? And how do we have such a nice up close view of them running, does that mean there was a 3rd person behind them?

2010-01-03 15:31:00 Author: Foofles Posts: 2278

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I quite liked the story. The ending wasn't a big surprise really as I payed attention to the (fun and interesting!) "The Truth" deciphers. I'm really looking forward to the third. What is it, a people factory? A piece of Eden factory? I think it was where they created man and possibly the pieces of Eden which they used to control humans. What are they, what are they running away from? I think they were meant to be the first humans, Adam and Eve. Towards the end you find out that they stole the "Apple" piece of Eden which builds on the whole Old Testament mythology. They were most likely running from the race that created them. And how do we have such a nice up close view of them running, does that mean there was a 3rd person behind them? I'm guessing it's just being shown from the 3rd person perspective which we've seen in other cutscenes throughout the game. As for how the video exists, it seems to be taken from one of "Subject 16's" sessions. At the end of the game, one of the characters says that they're going to analyse the tapes of Desmond's sessions which proves such recordings exist.

2010-01-04 01:02:00 Author: Killian Posts: 2575

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[...]I think they were meant to be the first humans, Adam and Eve. Towards the end you find out that they stole the "Apple" piece of Eden which builds on the whole Old Testament mythology. They were most likely running from the race that created them.[...] "I think they were meant to be the first humans, Adam and Eve..." I also think they were Adam and Eve. I think the name Pieces of Eden kind of gives that away. Pieces of Eden, Garden of Eden, Adam and Eve... Even at the end of the truth video, the voice says "Eve." ( or something like that D: ) and they both turn around. The apple is most likely the fruit that the Serpent convinced Eve to "eat" ( In this case, I'm guessing they're suggesting that she didn't eat it, considering the Pieces of Eden look to be made of a metal, but simply stole it ). "They were most likely running from the race that created them." I think they're running from God, to be honest. God told them not to take the fruit, in the Bible. Eve took it anyways, and gave a piece to Adam, which is why they hid from God ( In the game, they run from him, which is essentially the same thing as hiding >_> ). God ends up finding them anyways, and, assuming that it is his voice at the end of the clip, finds them in the game as well. [...]As for how the video exists, it seems to be taken from one of "Subject 16's" sessions. At the end of the game, one of the characters says that they're going to analyse the tapes of Desmond's sessions which proves such recordings exist. It does seem to be taken from one of his sessions, and this would be perfectly logical, imo. If Adam and Eve are the first humans, they had to have reproduced and create more humans for the human race to have stayed alive. Then those humans would have to reproduce, and so on and so on. Meaning Adam and Eve would be everyone's ancestors, right? Anyways, where I'm going with this is that Subject 16 could have been using the Animus to take control of Adam. And all of the Animus sessions are recorded, thus, the tape is most likely one of these recordings.

2010-01-04 07:05:00 Author: gofurr360z Posts: 886

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I think they're running from God, to be honest. God told them not to take the fruit, in the Bible. Eve took it anyways, and gave a piece to Adam, which is why they hid from God ( In the game, they run from him, which is essentially the same thing as hiding >_> ). God ends up finding them anyways, and, assuming that it is his voice at the end of the clip, finds them in the game as well. The main ending was saying that the 'Gods' were aliens, surely this refers to God as well?

2010-01-04 08:34:00 Author: Boomy Posts: 3701

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What are they, what are they running away from? And how do we have such a nice up close view of them running, does that mean there was a 3rd person behind them? The animus gives a third-person perspective on the memories, duh! That's how the game is in the third person. It's a clever piece of kit. Now, if you'd please stop asking questions, I'm sure you'll find everything makes perfect sense

2010-01-04 11:23:00 Author: rtm223 Posts: 6497

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The animus gives a third-person perspective on the memories, duh! That's how the game is in the third person. It's a clever piece of kit. Now, if you'd please stop asking questions, I'm sure you'll find everything makes perfect sense It does appear to be the "birth of mankind" kind of area...but I wonder... you see a person hammering away at something in there... such advanced people and still enlisting manual labor? I want more godly powers in the next game...

2010-01-05 03:46:00 Author: Foofles Posts: 2278

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I have the Piggyback guide to Assassin's Creed II, and in that book they talk in depth about what they thought the ending was about. It wasn't the creators of AC explaining it all, but the Piggyback crew who worked closely with Ubisoft to make the guide. They also featured a long multi-person interview with various key creators about different aspects of the game, including the ending and where the game was heading. So this is how I understand things, taking that as my reference and mixing it in with my own view points. Ah yes, I need to make one more point clear. The AC universe is not our one. It is a work of fiction. Don't forget that as you try and puzzle things out and work out what is going on. There are actually two races in the AC universe. There are the humans that you see around you today, and then there are the "gods" who look like humans but were the creators of them. They have advanced technology but are not all powerful. The Templars are a group of humans who have been trying to capture and control the "god" technology they have left behind for their own purposes, mainly to control the free will of the human race. The Assassins, since after what happened with Altair in AC1, have opposed them on this point. The "god" race was wiped out a few millenia ago, when our sun went supernova and killed off the whole race. Aparently humans had been created before this event and were at war with the gods. The AC view point is that all religions, myths and legends are warped views of these two points, and that the overlaps between different religions and myths support this concept (mind you, it's their (Ubisoft's) universe, they can say what they want). The "gods" left warnings and messages that the sun would go catastrophic again in our near future, and that the only way to stop or rather shield the human race is to build shelters that they have designed. This is the reason for Mineva, the message speaking to Desmond through Ezio the prophet in the final message, goes on and on about this point in the last few Ezio cut scenes. Adam and Eve were apparently humans, but they may have been interbred with the god race, which allows for the incredible leaping and jumping you see in the "truth" video. Subject 16 (and therefore 17, Desmond) was a direct descendent of Adam and Eve, and had accessed their memory like the animus does for all descendents memories, like with Altair and Ezio. That is why it is in third person in a similar view to the rest of the game, we are seeing a pre-recorded animus session being played back. This might also explain Altair and Ezio (and Desmond's) near-superhuman gymnastic ability, as they have "god genes" in them which allow them to do far more than the average human. It might also explain why Altair was resistant to the Piece of Eden in AC1. The "pieces of Eden" were created by the god race to control the humans. It is some sort of device which either has many parts or many copies, each of which can control a human who sees it with a hypnosis like effect. Someone needs to control the piece, but that person can effectively dictate how others view reality. There are other pieces of technology left behind by the god race, but the Eden pieces seem to be the ones that are of most interest to the Templars and Assassin's of todays time in AC. The "staff" mentioned in AC2 was another piece of god technology, but it seems it's only function was to open the Vault when combined with a piece of Eden. As to where the game will head next... well, the guide was a bit quiet. Some people have alluded to the series being a "trilogy", in which case it would make sense to almost purely focus on Desmond and the present. The bleeding effect (where memories of ancestors overlap with the present to the point you go insane, which is what happened to subject 16) has not taken over Desmond yet, but he was getting closer to it. They may have a past relative (or several past relatives) as a minor point that is used to get further clues about what needs to be done next in the present. In fact, this could be one way to keep the Animus concept and further build up the "bleeding effect" narrative, as Desmond jumps from one life to the next to work out what he needs to do in the present, he slowly gets more and more effected by the bleeding effect to the point he nearly goes insane like 16. The problem with focusing on Desmond though is two fold though. One is that, as you saw in the final present day battle, there is no real HUD. Playing a whole game with no real in game map, enemy status off screen, health levels of yourself or your enemy... could get pretty hard. I'm sure it can be worked around though. There have been other examples of "real life" characters doing hud like things without a hud, for example, using hand drawn maps which you open up and look at without pausing the game. The other problem is the use of firearms we have today. The period of Italy did not really feature modern day automatic firearms that we have today. Yes, there was the pistol gun, but that's hardly a modern day assault rifle that can kill mulitple people with relatively low user skill while not bothering to aim. Sure, Desmond could sneak around, like Batman: Arkham Asylum, and use his eagle eye to identify gun users and take them out without other people knowing. But, well, it's a big plot issue. Batman:AA did it well, but I just can't see it working nearly as well in the AC universe. I just need to be clear about one more point as well. In AC1 it was not clear who the good or bad guys were, but by the end of the game, it became clear that the Templars wanted to abolish free will, making them the bad guys, while the Assassins were trying to stop that goal, making them the good guys. At the end of AC2, the bad guys were not human. They were not even the old dead god race. The real enemy was the repeat of the death of all civilisation, and how Desmond was suppose to stop that happening some how. The Templars will likely try and stop the Assassins and Desmond in general, but the real threat is the sun killing us all. That's why the Assassin allies reacted so strangely ("We need to analyse this video"). The goal posts shifted, like it did at the end of AC1. So there you go. A few thoughts about the game off the top of my head. Some of it was from the guide, but it's all intermingled with my own thoughts. I don't pretend to be a definitive authority on the topic either. But those are what I am thinking might be going on and what might be coming up.

2010-01-06 14:58:00 Author: Elbee23 Posts: 1280

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Thanks for the post. You see, what threw me for a loop is the whole "the sun wiped us out while we were busy warring" thing. If the sun wiped civilization out, why is there still Earth or humanity? Hmmmmmm....

2010-01-06 16:26:00 Author: Foofles Posts: 2278

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@Foofles : All we are told is that both races barely survived somehow (though I think it's mentioned the aliens built shelters for themselves). What I found interesting is how Minerva breaks the fourth wall... though not really, by talking with Desmond and looking directly at "us". I suppose we could say they broke the "third and a half" wall.

2010-01-06 16:49:00 Author: Gilgamesh Posts: 2536

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